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Title: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: admiral_wolf on July 06, 2008, 01:01:34 pm
Something recently struck me.  Does anyone else think it is hypocritical for the Neo-Terran Front to be using Deimos class corvettes.  Seeing as the advertised propoganda of the NTF is the hated of the alliance with the Vasudan race, surely that hatred should extend to all aspects of the alliance, including teconological advances.  Therefore, they should not be using Deimos, seeing as they are powered by a Vasudan designed power core.  Additionally, can anyone confirm to me that the NTF have Ullyses class fighters, seeing as they were another joint design and build?
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2008, 01:08:26 pm
Good thoughts, but I think that only a bunch of stupid idiots wouldn't use Deimos corvettes and Ulysses fighters.

Everything in the GTCv Deimos except for the engine core is Terran so the NTF could have used that ship despite racism.

The GTF Ulysses was a joint design but Ulysses wings in the hands of the NTF could only accomodate Terran pilots. They were "Terran" as well.

The rebels used the Ulysses more than once, I think. Take a look at the very final stages of the rebellion(blackades, pursuits, battle near the Knossos).

:)
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Titan on July 06, 2008, 01:18:25 pm
the semi-canon :v: mission 'defending the forge'
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Mobius on July 06, 2008, 01:19:56 pm
Why do you have to mention that if we have the main FS2 campaign?
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 06, 2008, 01:51:26 pm
The GTF Ulysses was a joint design but Ulysses wings in the hands of the NTF could only accomodate Terran pilots. They were "Terran" as well.

     Eh, you even seen a Vasudan flying a Ulysses anyway?
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Droid803 on July 06, 2008, 01:58:17 pm
The NTF is a rebellion. Given choice, yes, they probably wouldn't use Ulysses, Myrmidons, Deimoses, or anything with Vasudan joint engineers. However, they don't have the resources to just massively churn out NTF Iceni class vessels to use as corvettes and stuff.

If the rebellion had progressed better and was less of a meat shield for ETAK, they may have eventually stopped using joint T-V designs altogether, but at that point where we step in the in FS2 campaign, they wouldn't really have had the time to replace an entire class of fighters and corvettes.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Kie99 on July 06, 2008, 02:04:01 pm
Put it this way, if they found an unguarded, unmanned Hatshepsut, do you think they'd keep it or blow it up due to their principles?  It might be hypocritical but more importantly, it's practical.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 06, 2008, 02:11:48 pm
Put it this way, if they found an unguarded, unmanned Hatshepsut, do you think they'd keep it or blow it up due to their principles?  It might be hypocritical but more importantly, it's practical.

Yea. And it'd be of a lot of use ( think this way: go behind enemy lines, nuke everything, and have fun noone realising who actually done. )
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on July 06, 2008, 02:26:03 pm
         Weren't the NTF abusing and/or murdering civilians? Murderers aren't known for their steadfast principles.
         "Vasudan ship? I won't fly that on principle!"
         more like "haha, now I can kill these cows with their own weapons!"
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Blue Lion on July 06, 2008, 02:30:32 pm
Irrationality isn't rational.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Droid803 on July 06, 2008, 02:36:11 pm
"haha, now I can kill these cows with their own weapons!"
That's what I would do if I hated a certain group.
Kill them with the very things they rely on, notably, their own things :nod:
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Snail on July 06, 2008, 02:39:14 pm
the semi-canon :v: mission 'defending the forge'
Which one would that be? If it's one of those Interplay "Best Fan-Made Mission Gets Packed in with the Next FS2 Release" things then I completely and utterly oppose anything saying that it's even semi-canon.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 06, 2008, 02:39:48 pm
"haha, now I can kill these cows with their own weapons!"
That's what I would do if I hated a certain group.
Kill them with the very things they rely on, notably, their own things :nod:

Better would be to kill them with everything you can/have.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Droid803 on July 06, 2008, 02:45:16 pm
But then, it wouldn't cause absolute despairTM!
But it is most efficient to kill them with everything you can/have.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: ShadowGorrath on July 06, 2008, 02:48:37 pm
Absolute despair is when you nuke their home and start making jokes about Vasuda Prime.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Droid803 on July 06, 2008, 02:49:57 pm
Like...building another Lucifer and bombarding their (new) home planet for 13 hours straight? XD
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Jeff Vader on July 06, 2008, 02:50:39 pm
I'd lol.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: IceFire on July 06, 2008, 04:22:27 pm
Rebellions and particularly ones formed on the basis of prejudice tend to be chock full of hypocrisies.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: colecampbell666 on July 06, 2008, 08:30:22 pm
the semi-canon :v: mission 'defending the forge'
Which one would that be? If it's one of those Interplay "Best Fan-Made Mission Gets Packed in with the Next FS2 Release" things then I completely and utterly oppose anything saying that it's even semi-canon.
The FRED2 walkthrough mission.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Stormkeeper on July 06, 2008, 09:57:44 pm
Something recently struck me.  Does anyone else think it is hypocritical for the Neo-Terran Front to be using Deimos class corvettes.  Seeing as the advertised propoganda of the NTF is the hated of the alliance with the Vasudan race, surely that hatred should extend to all aspects of the alliance, including teconological advances.  Therefore, they should not be using Deimos, seeing as they are powered by a Vasudan designed power core.  Additionally, can anyone confirm to me that the NTF have Ullyses class fighters, seeing as they were another joint design and build?
Needs must.
Title: Re: NTF and and GTCV (NTCv?) Deimos
Post by: Iranon on July 07, 2008, 07:05:56 am
Neither surprising nor hypocritical really.

Mutal hatred between the Soviet Union and the Third Reich didn't stop Soviet command from issuing captured Panther tanks o successful crews as a reward (I think mostly because of better crew comfort).