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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nuke on July 18, 2008, 06:28:00 am
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now that i got this new quad core rig i thought id fix up my old c2d rig. i was able to get the mobo/cpu/ram combination to boot by hooking up the new psu to it, it booted and allowed me to run diagnostics. everything tested ok. the bios complained that it had a bad checksum so was obviously fried. i did manage to boot the thing once on the auxiliary bios that asus boards tend to have. i mounted the mobo in a case and cant get it to boot again. it was like a $200 mobo but i might just replace it. the tests revealed that my c2d e6700 processor was good as was the 4gb memory (4*1gb @ 800 or 667). the mobo passed but i know the bios is shot to some degree. the mobo is iffy and the power supply questionable.
so i want to fix that computer while spending as little money as possible. so i need a good cheap mobo thats less than $60. il also need a not too beefy psu, id say something in the 500 watt range. psus i usually buy by ratings and expect to spend at least 80 bucks there. window for this build is about a month or too so i can wait for sales if theyre not to far out.
also dont bother posting links to newegg, im already scouring every mobo on that site looking for one that will work. i found this one but i dont like its rating.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186102
and this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135022
this one too
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186101
though ive never used one of those brands before.
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The Foxconn P965 would probably be best choice. Avoid ECS like the plague. And The Foxconn X975 isn't the best choice, period.
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Hey, this is probably a stupid question, but it is somewhat related.
How much does Hypertransport speed affect performance?
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Hey, this is probably a stupid question, but it is somewhat related.
How much does Hypertransport speed affect performance?
Not that related--two different breeds of machines. HT is AMD's IC tech. But just to answer your question, it's an interconnect technology. Basically it tries to provide more bandwidth and less latency to a processor--actually ideal for multi-core designs and more-so for multi-processor designs, where two or more processors need a faster way to communicate to each other.
For that reason, AMD has seen such great success with dual-Socket 1207 and quad-Socket 1207 systems--they have processors that communicate faster and more effectively.
By extension, Intel is making the next upgrade to be a HyperTransport-esque QPI, which will be more to boost the performance of dual-processor designs as well as, by using an IMC, boost the performance of single-socket systems further.
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ordered the p965 and this psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182030
its got a good rating good price and i own one so i know it works.
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ordered the p965 and this psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182030
its got a good rating good price and i own one so i know it works.
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you fail.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104037
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151040
Rosewill = crap power supplies.
I always direct people to three manufacturers--PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, and Fortron Supply. There are links to two better power supplies within a few dollars of the piece of **** you bought already.
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psus are a big grey area. they all lie about the true specs of their psus. the only real useful data are the user ratings. when an item has 5 starts. 85% of the 233 people who bought that psu didnt have a problem with it. considering most people on newegg are kids building their own rigs, i find that rating very good. also i know its a good one because i bought the same model for a replacement of one of my old computers a few years ago. its been chugging along at least 3 years without a glitch. from that data id say i picked the right psu. as they say, the evil you know.
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A word of advice then... make sure it's in the best-ventilated case you can possible find/put together! The Fuhjyyu caps tend to die of heat--if they're cooled effectively enough they should last a while. The unit as a whole isn't HORRIBLE, but there are many better choices for the price. If you were going for a new PSU and it had to be Rosewill.... RP500-2.
Anyways--there are a few good manufacturers of power supplies, not just branders. My favorite for overall quality on everything are Seasonic units. They make and brand their own units and supply to Corsair for their HX series, as well as Antec's 80 PLUS offerings.
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Cooler master makes excellent cases... and who else would use newegg exactly Nuke?
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All Rosewill products are rebadges of other things. They're Newegg's house brand. Some things are good and others are not.
The units Bob-san posted would have been better choices as they're proven performers, but that Rosewill one is probably not that bad and has a high percentage of 5s given the number of reviews.
Hey, this is probably a stupid question, but it is somewhat related.
How much does Hypertransport speed affect performance?
It's been a while since I looked at AMD processors, but increasing that did basically nothing for two cores a few years ago.
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Cooler master makes excellent cases... and who else would use newegg exactly Nuke?
CM is on the up-swing for cases. I personally like tanks of cases--I'm eying a Chenbro eATX case because it's not going to fall apart. Still, Lian-Li and Silverstone, as well as rebadges such as those Rocketfish cases from BestBuy. Other than that, I've had particularly good success with XClio, as they are solid cases with unique features, such as 25-36CM fans that you stick on low an forget, though electrical tape has solved the LED crisis... :nod:
All Rosewill products are rebadges of other things. They're Newegg's house brand. Some things are good and others are not.
The units Bob-san posted would have been better choices as they're proven performers, but that Rosewill one is probably not that bad and has a high percentage of 5s given the number of reviews.
Hey, this is probably a stupid question, but it is somewhat related.
How much does Hypertransport speed affect performance?
It's been a while since I looked at AMD processors, but increasing that did basically nothing for two cores a few years ago.
Rosewill doesn't manufacture anything of their own. Their power supplies are particularly spotty--one unit is a good one from a good manufacturer, another is a bad unit from a spotty manufacturer. While computer power supplies are particularly "dirty" all things considered, high-end power supplies (Seasonic, better Channel Well, &c) last longer, deliver their promises, and will probably not kill anything. My favorite review thus far?
http://jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=71
That article is particularly funny. It also exhibits the point that cheap PSU != workable.
And for the AMD processors, I've heard that the quad-core Phenoms are doing better with HT3.0 v. HT2.0, but the entire idea is still relegated to DP and QP systems... it's not really for SP systems.
I've not seen a review of 95% of the shoddy PSUs out there, though there are a few particularly bad. On the other hand, you could have got the Antec Trio 650 ($130) from NewEgg for $60 after using the code 'EMCAHBFCH'.
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heh, that was a good review, very comical :D but since the computer my rosewill will be going into is not ever gonna play crisis, and will have at most a midrange geforce 7 in it. what can i say, i suck at buying power supplies. i wish there were more reviews like that one on the net. i personally think someone needs to call shenanigans on the whole psu industry. ive had good luck buying psus in the past. cept for maybe the xion that fried my $240 asus bored from last year (and that took a catastrophic failure in the weather, and april blizzard that became unstable when the sun came up and shined on the snow, thus causing an avalanche and took out the high tension lines to the hydro plant, and a bad startup of several backup deisel generators AND THE GOD DAMN LACK OF GROUND WIRING IN THE HOUSE WHICH RENDERED MY SURGE PROTECTOR USELESS :mad: ). i did get it to boot on the new toughpower unit im running in the new rig, but its already doing stuff and i cant afford another one.
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heh, that was a good review, very comical :D but since the computer my rosewill will be going into is not ever gonna play crisis, and will have at most a midrange geforce 7 in it. what can i say, i suck at buying power supplies. i wish there were more reviews like that one on the net. i personally think someone needs to call shenanigans on the whole psu industry. ive had good luck buying psus in the past. cept for maybe the xion that fried my $240 asus bored from last year (and that took a catastrophic failure in the weather, and april blizzard that became unstable when the sun came up and shined on the snow, thus causing an avalanche and took out the high tension lines to the hydro plant, and a bad startup of several backup deisel generators AND THE GOD DAMN LACK OF GROUND WIRING IN THE HOUSE WHICH RENDERED MY SURGE PROTECTOR USELESS :mad: ). i did get it to boot on the new toughpower unit im running in the new rig, but its already doing stuff and i cant afford another one.
If you don't know what you're doing, there are only two brands to buy from. PC Power & Cooling and Seasonic. PCP&C is probably out of your price range, though Seasonic has a few OEM supplies of their higher-end models. The only differences are generally 8cm fan v. 12cm fan, a few less connectors, and no black paint. The SS-500ES for $66 is a particularly sweet deal.
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If you don't know what you're doing, there are only two brands to buy from. PC Power & Cooling and Seasonic.
There are many other brands that offer good power supplies.
It's always best to go with one of the reputable brands, but at the same time that doesn't mean that everything else is crap and will explode right away. There are some units that go under the radar but are relatively decent and will run a typical system fine, even if they aren't as good as the well known units. Although on further examination, I think that Rosewill one is not in that category; just skimming through a few pages reveals a rather high number of DOA stories despite the overall score.
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If you don't know what you're doing, there are only two brands to buy from. PC Power & Cooling and Seasonic.
There are many other brands that offer good power supplies.
It's always best to go with one of the reputable brands, but at the same time that doesn't mean that everything else is crap and will explode right away. There are some units that go under the radar but are relatively decent and will run a typical system fine, even if they aren't as good as the well known units. Although on further examination, I think that Rosewill one is not in that category; just skimming through a few pages reveals a rather high number of DOA stories despite the overall score.
It's easier to just tell someone to buy a Seasonic or PCP&C, versus have them go to BestBuy or whatever their local brick&mortar and be sold store-brand power supplies, CoolMax power supplies, Powmax, or any number of others that may very well blow up. Rosewill has been pretty spotty for power supplies. CWT is usually pretty good as an OEM, as is Seasonic and a few others. Most others are just crappy designs for cheap power supplies--such as 300W max units that are advertised as a 550W unit--they trust that a person sees big number and hopefully they'll run a low-power rig with it, that'll be within the actual specs and won't fry.
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It's easier to just tell someone to buy a Seasonic or PCP&C
That can also be said about 10 or so other brands. :p Corsair, Enermax, OCZ, Silverstone, Enhance and some others all have very good offerings (some are just rebadges of others). That Seasonic you posted is a nice deal for the price though.
Most others are just crappy designs for cheap power supplies--such as 300W max units that are advertised as a 550W unit--they trust that a person sees big number and hopefully they'll run a low-power rig with it, that'll be within the actual specs and won't fry.
Well, that's the point. Most systems will in fact fit under such a limit, and a decent PSU (not one of the big brands but not bottom dollar either) will usually work fine with them. It's true that a high quality PSU is important to have, but at the same time I see a lot of people heavily overstating power requirements on these things. The only consumer systems that are likely to use over 330W or so for the actual components are ones with multi-GPU setups or a large number of hard drives.
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It's easier to just tell someone to buy a Seasonic or PCP&C
That can also be said about 10 or so other brands. :p Corsair, Enermax, OCZ, Silverstone, Enhance and some others all have very good offerings (some are just rebadges of others). That Seasonic you posted is a nice deal for the price though.
Again, it's just easier to say PC P&C or Seasonic, though if I'm given a budget I usually look at FSP Supply as well, as they make good OEM units too.
Most others are just crappy designs for cheap power supplies--such as 300W max units that are advertised as a 550W unit--they trust that a person sees big number and hopefully they'll run a low-power rig with it, that'll be within the actual specs and won't fry.
Well, that's the point. Most systems will in fact fit under such a limit, and a decent PSU (not one of the big brands but not bottom dollar either) will usually work fine with them. It's true that a high quality PSU is important to have, but at the same time I see a lot of people heavily overstating power requirements on these things. The only consumer systems that are likely to use over 330W or so for the actual components are ones with multi-GPU setups or a large number of hard drives.
Yes, it is the point. Most of the time a person can just get the crappy 300W'er and be fine, but once they try upgrading they kill their systems. For the type of people I deal with online--I find them a quality unit because they're most likely to be gaming or doing heavier usage or upgrades.
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thats why i got 550. assuming the top 150 watts is unatainable. no plans to upgrade cept perhaps a new video card. one with stereo friendly drivers (sence i cant use my stereo glasses on my good rig because of the 64bit os and nvidia's lazyness in driver development).
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thats why i got 550. assuming the top 150 watts is unatainable. no plans to upgrade cept perhaps a new video card. one with stereo friendly drivers (sence i cant use my stereo glasses on my good rig because of the 64bit os and nvidia's lazyness in driver development).
Even so, Seasonic SS-400ES is overall better. :nod: Oh well--just don't count on too much with the supply.
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Again, it's just easier to say PC P&C or Seasonic, though if I'm given a budget I usually look at FSP Supply as well, as they make good OEM units too.
Well, it's just misleading to say that "there are only two brands to buy from," especially since those two particular brands do not have the best deals in many price ranges. Except for that 500W one you mentioned, most of the Seasonic and PCP&C units are too expensive, with similar units (in some cases identical rebadges) often available cheaper.
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Again, it's just easier to say PC P&C or Seasonic, though if I'm given a budget I usually look at FSP Supply as well, as they make good OEM units too.
Well, it's just misleading to say that "there are only two brands to buy from," especially since those two particular brands do not have the best deals in many price ranges. Except for that 500W one you mentioned, most of the Seasonic and PCP&C units are too expensive, with similar units (in some cases identical rebadges) often available cheaper.
Not really for PC P&C, they only have excellent warranty service, despite the fact that Seasonic has made about 3 lines for them.
Other than that, I'm not a huge fan of Channel Well Tech, so saying Corsair (while decent) isn't always the best. The VX450 is Seasonic, the TX650 is Seasonic, the HX520 is Seasonic, and the HX620 is Seasonic. On the other hand, the VX550 is Channel Well and the TX750 is also Channel Well. That means that the TX650 is the poor-man's HX620, only difference is the TX650 is not modular and costs a lot less.
Other than that, it's just too spotty for some manufacturers--a bunch of good units and a few bad ones--and they see "deal deal deal!" on the bad units and may grab one instead of the slightly-more-expensive but much better good unit.
When all else fails (or I get tired of repeating what's best that you can find), K.I.S.S.. FSP Fortron Supply, Seasonic, or PC Power & Cooling. FSP for budget (you get what you pay for, so they're best since if you spend $30-35 you get a 300W unit, if you spend $40-45 you get a 400W unit, &c), Seasonic or Seasonic-built for general quality (20% more expensive "for the watt" but also 5-year warranties and all good units), and PC Power & Cooling for high-end (though just about any 1-1.2kW power supply is at least decent, including all those off-brands).
You really have to watch for 350-850W units from off brands... they're most likely to die and take something along with it for the ride, especially if they are exaggerated crap in the first place.
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Not really for PC P&C, they only have excellent warranty service, despite the fact that Seasonic has made about 3 lines for them.
You're just being a fanboy now. :p Most of the other companies I brought up also have very good warranties and some also have CSRs on the major hardware forums, especially OCZ and Corsair. That isn't a good reason to pay more for anything.
PCP&C used to have some great deals a while ago, but the prices on all their units seem to have increased recently. Their 610W model is still a good buy but the others are a little too expensive now compared to similar models. And most of the Seasonics are slight ripoffs because you can get the same things cheaper as Corsair and PCP&C rebadges if you look around a bit.
Other than that, it's just too spotty for some manufacturers--a bunch of good units and a few bad ones--and they see "deal deal deal!" on the bad units and may grab one instead of the slightly-more-expensive but much better good unit.
I don't think any of the brands I mentioned have any current models that can be described as "spotty." The Seasonic-built units are excellent but are by no means "much better" than the others. If you need the absolute best voltage regulation anyway, you should go with a Zippy server unit, not a Seasonic.
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Not really for PC P&C, they only have excellent warranty service, despite the fact that Seasonic has made about 3 lines for them.
You're just being a fanboy now. :p Most of the other companies I brought up also have very good warranties and some also have CSRs on the major hardware forums, especially OCZ and Corsair. That isn't a good reason to pay more for anything.
PCP&C used to have some great deals a while ago, but the prices on all their units seem to have increased recently. Their 610W model is still a good buy but the others are a little too expensive now compared to similar models. And most of the Seasonics are slight ripoffs because you can get the same things cheaper as Corsair and PCP&C rebadges if you look around a bit.
Other than that, it's just too spotty for some manufacturers--a bunch of good units and a few bad ones--and they see "deal deal deal!" on the bad units and may grab one instead of the slightly-more-expensive but much better good unit.
I don't think any of the brands I mentioned have any current models that can be described as "spotty." The Seasonic-built units are excellent but are by no means "much better" than the others. If you need the absolute best voltage regulation anyway, you should go with a Zippy server unit, not a Seasonic.
Good luck finding Zippy in the USA. I've been looking for a while--I can't find Zippy, I can't find Emacs. And for PC P&C, definitely only a few are even within "range" of the normal person. I swear by Seasonic--my uncle by PC P&C. Other than that, yeah most have decent warranties. But still, if you're telling someone to buy say Corsair, I'd always say Seasonic-built, as CWT-built are not as good quality. Even so, CWT does have some good-wattage units at good prices as well, but not all of the are best.
Besides--I generally look at other Seasonic-built units while looking at Seasonic-branded units... meaning I take a look through Antec and Corsair at the same time, as odds are they'll have the same or slightly better a deal. Other than that, I've not been able to beat Seasonic's OEM (SS-___ES) units often, other than the fact that they have two SATA connectors. Even so, building a new system with that 500ES, odds are you'll also get some molex-to-SATA dongles that'll work just fine.
I am quite a bit biased, though the positive side of it is I'm biased towards good build power supplies and against those that aren't quite as good, while still being about the same price.
That and NewEgg has a horrible time with all... 567 normal units plus 53 more server-specific units. I can't just set people loose and say look for this, and I even get overwhelmed--I can't research each and every unit to find out who made it, though often I can take a look at compare UL# of similar units.
I guess I generalize too much--I help out at another forum where there are countless other people who simply don't know what they're doing. Last correction I made was a Win Power 750W for like 30-35 GBP, switched out for a Corsair VX450 for about 38 GBP. It's not like the person's system would need it all--while Pentium D's are hot and hungry, they're not drawing 300W on their own. HD4850 runs about 120W max, plus say 95W for graphics, 10W/drive (40W), and a bunch of USB stuff, and you still are running comfortably. Stuff like that, I just look at Corsair, Seasonic, PC P&C, and that's about it.
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Good luck finding Zippy in the USA. I've been looking for a while--I can't find Zippy, I can't find Emacs. And for PC P&C, definitely only a few are even within "range" of the normal person. I swear by Seasonic--my uncle by PC P&C. Other than that, yeah most have decent warranties. But still, if you're telling someone to buy say Corsair, I'd always say Seasonic-built, as CWT-built are not as good quality. Even so, CWT does have some good-wattage units at good prices as well, but not all of the are best.
You can always import it if you're that desperate about having the absolute best. But my point was that there is going to be no perceptible difference between the 10 or so major brands for the vast majority of users. Any of them are miles better than the generic no-name PSUs.
As for the CWT units, that depends on what you mean by "not as good quality." Is there a measurable difference in benchmark tests? Yes, but it's very small in Jonnyguru's reviews. Are you actually going to see problems with the cheaper CWT-built Corsairs on a consumer system where a Seasonic one would have worked? Extremely unlikely, especially given the power requirements of most systems.
My machine for example uses around 290W on load when you factor in the PSU's efficiency, and that is with a 65nm C2D at 3.6ghz and a 670mhz GTX 280. I use an older Topower-based OCZ unit that works well but any of the good 500-600W units these days can handle that easily.
I guess I generalize too much--I help out at another forum where there are countless other people who simply don't know what they're doing.
It's best to recommend specific units instead of brands anyway. The prices and the best deals change all the time. However, I have rarely seen a Seasonic branded PSU that can be considered a good deal given the prices of the rebadges. That 500W is the first one, actually.
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Good luck finding Zippy in the USA. I've been looking for a while--I can't find Zippy, I can't find Emacs. And for PC P&C, definitely only a few are even within "range" of the normal person. I swear by Seasonic--my uncle by PC P&C. Other than that, yeah most have decent warranties. But still, if you're telling someone to buy say Corsair, I'd always say Seasonic-built, as CWT-built are not as good quality. Even so, CWT does have some good-wattage units at good prices as well, but not all of the are best.
You can always import it if you're that desperate about having the absolute best. But my point was that there is going to be no perceptible difference between the 10 or so major brands for the vast majority of users. Any of them are miles better than the generic no-name PSUs.
As for the CWT units, that depends on what you mean by "not as good quality." Is there a measurable difference in benchmark tests? Yes, but it's very small in Jonnyguru's reviews. Are you actually going to see problems with the cheaper CWT-built Corsairs on a consumer system where a Seasonic one would have worked? Extremely unlikely, especially given the power requirements of most systems.
My machine for example uses around 290W on load when you factor in the PSU's efficiency, and that is with a 65nm C2D at 3.6ghz and a 670mhz GTX 280. I use an older Topower-based OCZ unit that works well but any of the good 500-600W units these days can handle that easily.
My general opinion is Seasonic costs as much as CWT, and Seasonic are all the same when you factor in quality. I generally consider Seasonic top for USA power supplies, CWT second, followed by others like Topower. On the other hand, if you look at that liquid-cooled Koolance 1kW power supply, it's based off a CWT 850W. It shows that given proper cooling, you can put out significantly more clean power on the same setups. I should personally grab a Kill-A-Watt and see what my computer draws. Even my lousy E2140 at 3.25GHz shouldn't draw that much--I'd say 100W at max.
I guess I generalize too much--I help out at another forum where there are countless other people who simply don't know what they're doing.
It's best to recommend specific units instead of brands anyway. The prices and the best deals change all the time. However, I have rarely seen a Seasonic branded PSU that can be considered a good deal given the prices of the rebadges. That 500W is the first one, actually.
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Look at any Seasonic that's not painted black, and odds are you'll find a heck of a deal. I just found another deal--a 400W Seasonic (SS-400ES) that beat the price on a FSP Fortron Supply SAGA+ 400R. When I find deals like that, I have to substitute a "tier-2" unit in for the "tier-3" I'd normally recommend.
Most of the time I try not to set people loose looking for a power supply--they tend to pick crappy ones. Even so, knowing that there are dozens upon dozens of brands, and of those only about 10% are actually good, I can generally check those quick for the price, wattage, and build and recommend that. Especially when I work with foreign retailers--a Zippy/EMacs unit would cost too much (50% or more) for the tiny difference.
So long as you look for Seasonic OEM units, you're getting quality and you're getting what you pay for, and I find the prices are quite competitive. Once you get in the high-wattage units, the difference becomes minimal and the prices extraordinary. Corsair VX650--the poor-man's non-modular HX620--costs less than both the HX620 and Seasonic's S12 E+ 550HT.
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My general opinion is Seasonic costs as much as CWT, and Seasonic are all the same when you factor in quality. I generally consider Seasonic top for USA power supplies, CWT second, followed by others like Topower. On the other hand, if you look at that liquid-cooled Koolance 1kW power supply, it's based off a CWT 850W. It shows that given proper cooling, you can put out significantly more clean power on the same setups. I should personally grab a Kill-A-Watt and see what my computer draws. Even my lousy E2140 at 3.25GHz shouldn't draw that much--I'd say 100W at max.
Yes, it's probably not very high at all, especially if you are on stock voltage.
You're generalizing too much on the quality and prices of Seasonic though. For example, the Seasonic-based PCP&C 750W does marginally worse on Jonnyguru's tests than the Etasis-based Silverstone ST75ZF. Of course, you wouldn't notice any difference in practice, but when you take into account the fact that the ST75ZF is currently $35 less, the PCP&C unit becomes hard to justify. A similar situation can be seen with the Corsair VX550 (CWT), which performs identically to their own more expensive HX520 (Seasonic), even in testing.
I will admit though that those generic looking Seasonics appear to be much better deals than their black ones. I hadn't seen them on Newegg in the past. Still, I would probably get the similarly priced Corsair VX450 over that 500W Seasonic (according to Jonnyguru it may be internally identical), if only because it is much more well known at this point and has been tested at many sites.
By the way, I think the PCP&C Turbo Cool line is still based on Zippy units. Although they look like straight copies of server PSUs and may have annoyingly loud fans.
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My general opinion is Seasonic costs as much as CWT, and Seasonic are all the same when you factor in quality. I generally consider Seasonic top for USA power supplies, CWT second, followed by others like Topower. On the other hand, if you look at that liquid-cooled Koolance 1kW power supply, it's based off a CWT 850W. It shows that given proper cooling, you can put out significantly more clean power on the same setups. I should personally grab a Kill-A-Watt and see what my computer draws. Even my lousy E2140 at 3.25GHz shouldn't draw that much--I'd say 100W at max.
Yes, it's probably not very high at all, especially if you are on stock voltage.
You're generalizing too much on the quality and prices of Seasonic though. For example, the Seasonic-based PCP&C 750W does marginally worse on Jonnyguru's tests than the Etasis-based Silverstone ST75ZF. Of course, you wouldn't notice any difference in practice, but when you take into account the fact that the ST75ZF is currently $35 less, the PCP&C unit becomes hard to justify. A similar situation can be seen with the Corsair VX550 (CWT), which performs identically to their own more expensive HX520 (Seasonic), even in testing.
I will admit though that those generic looking Seasonics appear to be much better deals than their black ones. I hadn't seen them on Newegg in the past. Still, I would probably get the similarly priced Corsair VX450 over that 500W Seasonic (according to Jonnyguru it may be internally identical), if only because it is much more well known at this point and has been tested at many sites.
By the way, I think the PCP&C Turbo Cool line is still based on Zippy units. Although they look like straight copies of server PSUs and may have annoyingly loud fans.
All about the cooling when in practice. And it seems Seasonic has shifted its product focus a bit--they seem to be targeting lower-wattage areas much more effectively with OEM units--the same type of unit they'd sell to another company, just cheaper so they keep the profit. Great way to spread their name around and target smaller manufacturers--since most consumers only care if it works--no windows in office machines.
I'll see about finding out who PC P&C's units are from. I had Redbeard (a Corsair rep) say that the VX550 and TX750 were both CWT and the other 4 are all Seasonic. Overall they seem to be doing well.
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as usual the parts i bought actually work.
whatever i lack in parts selection skills i surely make up for in build competence. i used to do this for a living you know.