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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: blackhole on July 19, 2008, 05:38:33 pm
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UbiSoft has long been against No-CD patches. Referring to them on their forums would get you warned or banned. But now, they have just officially released a patch for Rainbow 6: Vegas 2, which, when opened in a hex editor, can easily be identified as coming from the RELOADED scene group, not from UbiSoft programmers. A picture of hex analysis is shown in the story. See? Piracy isn't that bad! It saves you from having to code fixes for your own games! (Watch the drama on the Ubi Forums (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1991064316/m/1381029176/p/1) before it gets scrubbed clean.
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Bunch of fags. That's really low.
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All code is stolen at least at the machine level. I knew I should have copyrighted all 64 bit combinations of 0 and 1.
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Wow, that is low, real low.
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Now we just have to sit back and wait for computer piracy to be legalized. :lol:
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well why don't they recruit some of these reloaded characters to do their work for them while they are at it :lol:. i that would make for an entertaining session at court especially since Ubi have breached their own rules!.
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If you read far enough into the comments on that Slashdot article, they start talking about Allied propaganda during World War I. :lol:
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Bunch of fags. That's really low.
So was that comment. You're banned until tomorrow.
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I hope you're not serious kara... other members around here have done far worse and gotten away with it.
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Bunch of fags. That's really low.
So was that comment. You're banned until tomorrow.
If an0n had said that, nobody would have batted an eye. Explain your reasoning, please.
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amins dont need reasons.
anon is much more well liked, but a newb like cole, can the fish!
anyway let me get this straight. its not ok for you to buy a game and remove the cd protection (ive virtualized everything i possibly could), but it is ok for a came company to pirate a hack to fix their own problems. lovely. as my grandpappy used to say, he who makes the gold makes the rule.
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Bunch of fags. That's really low.
So was that comment. You're banned until tomorrow.
If an0n had said that, nobody would have batted an eye. Explain your reasoning, please.
I'd have banned him too actually.
My reasoning is that first it's homophobic and second that kind of crap has actually driven people away from HLP in the past. I don't want to lose members because someone can't keep his bigoted hands to himself. Quite frankly I don't know why anyone on this board tolerates that kind of behaviour either.
Would you ask for an explanation if he'd called Ubisoft a bunch of niggers for doing this?
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anon is much more well liked
This must be some alternate universe.
He's more like silly string. It's amusing, but you hate getting it on you.
Kara: Yes, but I'm cynical on that particular word considering the double standard on who may use it.
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the other day i saw a bunch of kids at the bus stop after work. every single one of them would have been mistaken for queer 20 years ago. they were saying this is gay and that's gay, i was thinking take a look in the damn mirror. kids theese days are the most gender confused pack of individuals ive ever seen. something is wrong with our society.
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Right you are. IMO conservative and right partys belong to the past. Globalization will do the job and eventually gay-hateism and rascism will be rotted out. Sigh, and we Swiss people STILL have to deal with our SVP, that paranoid bunch of
fags (no, bad Admiral!) foreigner-hating assholes. :sigh:
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All things considered, like Ubisoft is going to care. They hardly need to worry about someone showing up and accusing them of stealing his illegal crack. And it hardly costs them a thing.
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The behavior of UBI could cause some more problems.
People who haven't used yet cracks for their games could think now 'hey, why not UBI did it too...and while i'm at it, why not DL the entire game for free...', which means the companys will have more drop in sales.
This leads to 'better' copy protection for games, which leads to more problems for gamers.
SW: Battlefront 2 wont run if you have a software installed like Nero, and there are more games like that.
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angelus: Their are always ways around any shielded area as such. Reloaded are well known in the underworld downloads for creating great cracks for games or just in general torrent creation, if there was such a thing as an "impervious" shield then torrent sites and such would be put out of business.
For example, Bioshock had an install then register through the net every time to play the game, now they found a way around such a problem via a crack, registry key and so on.
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Whoah... Sorry. Didn't think that comment would stir anything up, and it wasn't meant in a homophobic light.
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I knew that ban didn't take but the control panel kept insisting it had. :D
Oh well. Consider it a warning then. :p
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admins are nubs
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I thought that by "till tomorrow" meant until 12, so I thought that it had already lifted.
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you know faggy modderateing has driven far more away than usage of standard slang ever has.
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Unneeded/Excessive moderation hurts more than it helps.
That's all I'm going to say.
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the best way to stay out of trouble is not to get into trouble in the first place, of course i think you know that... right??? :nervous:
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you know faggy modderateing has driven far more away than usage of standard slang ever has.
You know that there are people who no longer post on HLP as a result of people using that word and the fact that the admins did nothing about it? I can think of at least one who made a real contribution while he was here.
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For example, Bioshock had an install then register through the net every time to play the game, now they found a way around such a problem via a crack, registry key and so on.
Bioshock had horrible protection. You can copy the game folder over to another computer (there were installation problems on that one) and it runs perfectly.
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you know faggy modderateing has driven far more away than usage of standard slang ever has.
You know that there are people who no longer post on HLP as a result of people using that word and the fact that the admins did nothing about it? I can think of at least one who made a real contribution while he was here.
Says the person who laughed at the pool thing along with everyone else.
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I doubt there are many here who have a problem with the pool thing.
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I don't have a problem with it, but the fact is it's more offensive to black people than "fag" is to gay people, due to the fact that "fag" was being used as a not so subtle euphiesm (hope I spelled that right) for moronic asshole. I won't say anymore, but swantz is correct here.
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Yeah, I didn't mean it as a homophobic statement, and the meaning of a word is defined in popular culture by the meaning that most people associate with it. Fag, in popular culture, means "asshole" more often than "gay"
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you know faggy modderateing has driven far more away than usage of standard slang ever has.
You know that there are people who no longer post on HLP as a result of people using that word and the fact that the admins did nothing about it? I can think of at least one who made a real contribution while he was here.
you know I don't post here very often any more in large part due to administrative choices. so I guess if you are going to use 'pushes people away' as a criteria for policy your ****t either way. so are you going to make this a padded room safe for the thin skinned, or are you going to let people be themselves?
Yeah, I didn't mean it as a homophobic statement, and the meaning of a word is defined in popular culture by the meaning that most people associate with it. Fag, in popular culture, means "asshole" more often than "gay"
exactly and that's why this pisses me off. in this context the word fag does not refer to a homosexual, it refers to someone who does not know how to interact with people or intentionally does it wrong just to be an ass, we can all see the etymology of it and how it came from an insult directed at gays, but it has another totally separate usage which has nothing at all to do with homosexuals. and even if it did I'd prefer a person was open about there homophobia so I'd know that they were idiots so I could better ignore and berate them for it.
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Copy protection is futile. From a physical view, the only way to make it impossible to copy is to make it not readable at all. Everything else will fail with time.
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i personally think a game that i spent real money on should not have any damn protection, even going as far as not needing to flip discs every time i wanted to play the game. i find that by the time i hunt down a particular cd and get it in the drive and after waiting for spinup, im either out of free time or not in the mood to play anymore. i have a god damn terabyte of storage in this thing. i dont see why we have to keep using slow ass dvd drives every time i want to run a piece of software. this is why hard drives were invented. if an expensive program such as photoshop can be ran without the disc, i dont see why some piece of software which has no real purpose needs too. its rediculous that they should waste my time, as if they think im some teenage punk who's time is as worthless as they are, so that some corprate exec dicks can have a false security blanket. its just the ultimate lame. i seldom pirate games, i respect the skill of their developers, but i have no qualms against using nocd cracks, virtualization, or any other means to render disc flipping an obsolete thing of the past. :hopping:
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i hear that music is being downloaded these days instead of bought in a shop. same could hold true for games stores, just convert them into servers not unlike gamespot or fileplanet. D2D does this, all you need to do is buy it and download it. nothing more simple then that. link - http://www.direct2drive.com/ (http://www.direct2drive.com/)
pirated software on the other hand is a problem, they tend o be far more unstable but they try at least to give people like nuke a good time.
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The only form of copy protection that I don't mind is the good old fashion cd-key. Kind of funny that they don't use them anymore, though.
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Yessum, I agree, but imagine the horror of buying a game with unique on-line multiplayer attachjed to your serial, only to find some nub had keygenned a copy and stolen your rights by registering first.
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which happens a lot these days... i cant make further comment as i never made a crack in mind with that though :wtf:.
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There was a game awhile back that did something like that. Can't remember what it was but it registered your system specs for multi and you couldn't play multi from any other machine with that copy. Even another person couldn't use your copy on your machine with a different login. Might have been Tribes 2 or something like that. Lot of people were complaining because you had to buy one copy for each player in your house not for each computer.
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i personally think a game that i spent real money on should not have any damn protection, even going as far as not needing to flip discs every time i wanted to play the game. i find that by the time i hunt down a particular cd and get it in the drive and after waiting for spinup, im either out of free time or not in the mood to play anymore. i have a god damn terabyte of storage in this thing. i dont see why we have to keep using slow ass dvd drives every time i want to run a piece of software. this is why hard drives were invented. if an expensive program such as photoshop can be ran without the disc, i dont see why some piece of software which has no real purpose needs too. its rediculous that they should waste my time, as if they think im some teenage punk who's time is as worthless as they are, so that some corprate exec dicks can have a false security blanket. its just the ultimate lame. i seldom pirate games, i respect the skill of their developers, but i have no qualms against using nocd cracks, virtualization, or any other means to render disc flipping an obsolete thing of the past. :hopping:
You're heavily missing the point here. Making the CD necessary is in no way a false security blanket, it's actually an extremely effective one.
Consider the number of people who would prefer not to pay for games, but don't know much about the torrent scene, I'd wager there is a significant amount. If you remove all CD protection, these people are going to realise that it is extremely simple to buy a game and either take it back to the store and claim it's faulty, or sell it on to someone else. Of course, it's possible to play without the CD already, but a substantial chunk of your customer base won't be willing to do it through ignorance or fear of viruses.
Further, I question why it bothers you if you don't mind using CD cracks.
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If you have more than one PC at more than one location and decide to play at say 3am you have to get dressed and run next door to get the darn CDs. If your ambitious enough to actually do that then of course you forget to take them back.
Another thing that pisses me off about it is you can't mount them on a network drive for just such an occasion. I used to have 51 CD drives on my old server so I could just load up CDs (mostly for my BBS back then) and still had to buy one for each computer (it was the floppy days) just to play games.
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I don't understand the logic of copy protection.
I don't even like the fact that there are almost no games for my Mac at my local retailer.
Maybe I've been watching Steal This Film too many times... :blah:
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ahh dont worry, blizzard have starcraft 2 and diablo 3 coming out soon which also goes on mac along with window and maybe linux?.
anyhow, maybe the whole point is money related, or you bought it and you want a refund however you opened the box which voids the refund and now you cant take it back and you find out it faulty... where if you download via torrents then you get to play it without much trouble, and as said above or previous page, viruses and trojans are a possibility however go find a crack without that and your done.
however i dont think its is appropriate for anyone to say illegal software is better even so, you get caught your behind the bars paying up money to get yourself out of the 4x4 room with bars and on suite buckets :nod:.
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some years ago it was usually the customer was always right, that's been replaced with **** off and give us your money, *****! the real way to avoid piracy is for a games company to keep a clean public image. business ethics have gone out the window somewhere in the last 50 or so years.
there have been instances where game companys respected the wishes of their buyers. take starcraft. there was an optional multi only install for people wanting to run lan parties. nowadays you buy a multiplayer game and if you want to run a lan party, fat chanvce, they want you to buy 10 of them. lan partys arent something you can hold every day, the moving of computers around, the cost of powering 10 or so gaming rigs, beer and snacks. and look at the binifit of the game company, youve essentially staged an exhibition of their software and possibly some players would go out and buy that game. there was galciv 2, i bought that game for my brother in law (not really my genre), simply because i respected their attempt at buisness ethics. thats truely how piracy will be stopped.
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some years ago it was usually the customer was always right, that's been replaced with **** off and give us your money, *****! the real way to avoid piracy is for a games company to keep a clean public image. business ethics have gone out the window somewhere in the last 50 or so years.
there have been instances where game companys respected the wishes of their buyers. take starcraft. there was an optional multi only install for people wanting to run lan parties. nowadays you buy a multiplayer game and if you want to run a lan party, fat chanvce, they want you to buy 10 of them. lan partys arent something you can hold every day, the moving of computers around, the cost of powering 10 or so gaming rigs, beer and snacks. and look at the binifit of the game company, youve essentially staged an exhibition of their software and possibly some players would go out and buy that game. there was galciv 2, i bought that game for my brother in law (not really my genre), simply because i respected their attempt at buisness ethics. thats truely how piracy will be stopped.
I bet most companies are droning the phrase "the money", emphasising and repeating the "-ey" over and over again.
I do not like copy protection, and I absolutely detest product keys. Windows Vista, from what I heard, is extremely slow. Look: Microsoft should just take a leaf from Apple and code an operating system that works like a charm.
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the reason that apples operating system works like a charm is because its taylored specifically to the hardware issued. you put that os with hacks onto a pc and youve essentially taken away that quality control aspect of their system designs. while i detest name brand computers, and would never be caught dead using one, one thing they tend to have in common is they ****ing last forever, provided you don't tinker with its hardware too much.
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I do not like copy protection, and I absolutely detest product keys. Windows Vista, from what I heard, is extremely slow. Look: Microsoft should just take a leaf from Apple and code an operating system that works like a charm.
Nice segue there. Straight from product keys into windows bashing hearsay. But you're quite right; Microsoft should give up on trying to write their own kernel and use someone else's too.
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well if that happened, bill gates wouldn't have anyone to rip off :D. wouldn't that be a shame :rolleyes:.
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well if that happened, bill gates wouldn't have anyone to rip off :D. wouldn't that be a shame :rolleyes:.
Because Bill Gates, with his multi-billion dollar fortune, sits in front of a desk and codes. :rolleyes:
Now quit bastardizing Godwin's Law and get back on topic. :ick:
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rectos will eventually end that monopoly!
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Um, what exactly did Ubisoft do? I've been missing sleep and my eyes are too tired to comprehend the post.
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ubisoft stole a crack from a torrent site, and used it in rainbow 6:v2. what the funny thing is though, ubisoft hates any talk of pirated software being talked about on their site. the real irony is ubisoft never knew how good it is to use pirated software until then, what a contradiction :lol:.
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Perhaps they think that it's perfectly legal for them to use a crack, since they can't theoretically sue themselves... :drevil:
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To be fair it probably is legal for them to do it.
The fact that UBISoft used a hack to solve a problem only bothers me for two reasons.
1) It worries me that the programmers there can't code the fix themselves.
2) It's pretty annoying if they've been banning people from the forums who have suggested the hack as a solution to whatever the bug is if they ended up doing the same thing themselves.
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which only makes the problem worse. to say they dont have the resources to create a code would be rather strange considering Ubi is a huge game company. no i think they are taking shortcuts to deflect the time, energy and money involved. but what i dont understand is why they ban others because of the exact thing ubi went against and turns out their using after that.
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which only makes the problem worse. to say they dont have the resources to create a code would be rather strange considering Ubi is a huge game company. no i think they are taking shortcuts to deflect the time, energy and money involved. but what i dont understand is why they ban others because of the exact thing ubi went against and turns out their using after that.
...that is if they do ban people in the first place. Perhaps many people suggested that they should do it, so they finally gave in.
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probably an internal matter. could look bad on their portfolio compared to some company like ea or irrational games.
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To be fair it probably is legal for them to do it.
The fact that UBISoft used a hack to solve a problem only bothers me for two reasons.
1) It worries me that the programmers there can't code the fix themselves.
2) It's pretty annoying if they've been banning people from the forums who have suggested the hack as a solution to whatever the bug is if they ended up doing the same thing themselves.
I'm pretty sure that it's still illegal. Something about circumventing copyright protection (even their own) in the DMCA.
Of course, it could never get to the point of a suit. You'd have to be completely insane to even try.
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To be fair it probably is legal for them to do it.
The fact that UBISoft used a hack to solve a problem only bothers me for two reasons.
1) It worries me that the programmers there can't code the fix themselves.
2) It's pretty annoying if they've been banning people from the forums who have suggested the hack as a solution to whatever the bug is if they ended up doing the same thing themselves.
I'm pretty sure that it's still illegal. Something about circumventing copyright protection (even their own) in the DMCA.
Of course, it could never get to the point of a suit. You'd have to be completely insane to even try.
Distributing an illegal crack is illegal on multiple fronts, for multiple reasons. Ubisoft has just shoved a gun into their mouth.
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Oh, okay, so they had to circumvent their own copy-protection, and got a crack to do it. I understand now, after I finally read the article.
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Oh, okay, so they had to circumvent their own copy-protection, and got a crack to do it. I understand now, after I finally read the article.
They should employ whoever made that crack... :lol: