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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: KillMeNow on February 25, 2002, 12:44:08 pm
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after all this time i fainlly got to see it =) whoooooo hoooooo thats some serious bad ass weapons - and that hull armour now they could have used some of that during the dominion war heheh one ship would slaughter the jemhader and those torps well if one can destroy a borg cube then there is almost nothing they cant destroy - wonder how janeway will explain those away lol
mysterious alien tech that just happens to have a starfleet signatureah who cares it wasn't captain janeway that broke the rules lol and especially since they have pretty much crippled the borg - unimatrix 1 destroyed - a transwarp hub destroyed and i bet starfleet R&D just cant wait to get there hands on transphasic torps and that armour
nice ending too to burst out of sphere and then fly back with the waiting fleet - although it has to be said that those federation starships should have done some damage to that sphere but i suppose the effects budget was gettign abit empty after all that
any just had to say all this cause i'm a huge str trek fan and i hadn't seen it until just afew mins ago
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Um, the Sphere was the last of the Borg. The rest were killed. So really, their arent any more Borg.(Think as one, die as one)
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ahhhh yes star fleet command will forgive a little well huge violation of the temporal prime directive
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well, the queen was killed in Star Trek First Contact too. So I dont think its the last of the Borg. At least it better not... Because thats star Trek's only good part.
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If somethings making enough money there's always a way to bring it back ;)
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The queen was the only visible damage you could see, they did not show a picture of the 5000,0000 trillion drones suffering the same fate.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
The queen was the only visible damage you could see, they did not show a picture of the 5000,0000 trillion drones suffering the same fate.
I think that was implied when Unimatrix One vapourised. Besides, with that much heirarchical damage all the drones woulda been freed. If they wanted to bring the Borg back in they could Shadow them. Think of all that Borg tech floating around in space waiting for all sorts of little Drahk miscreants to take it and create nano-probe weaponry with it.
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The Borg are the Borg.
There were 3 'queen's killed though movies and series. If you think there's ONLY one borg 'base' like unimatrix one then you're crazy.
How many transwarp hubs are there? There's likely to be a dozen more. Unimatrix two, three...
The queen said she still had one ship under her command, I think she meant that was within reach of voyager. She probably had more of the same ships further out.
At any rate yes, there has been a big blow done, but like I said at the beginning.
The Borg are the Borg. They will adapt.
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I was soooo happy to finally see Janeway die. :D That was worth the entire episode of bad acting. :)
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The last words of the queen were: "Sphear 634 you can still hear my thoughts... I have assimilated your pathagen but I've also assimilated your armour technology.
Thus the federation fleet weapons where ineffective against the sphear.
Also in my opinion that WAS the destruction of the Borgs in the Delta quadrant as the neurotive pathagen brought chaos to oder, and eventually we saw the Unicomplex exploding. That meens that the other Transwarp hubs in the other quadrant would not be effected by the collapse of the condues but would be cut off from the queen herself thus ZOMBIES BORGS. but not for long as they would rebuild the queen. hehe as they've done before.
Regarding the Borg coming back...
In a speculative sense, in future episode of the new enterprise series If the Queen gets her hands on a tachion particle generator and a Chronos device she can also breach the main prime directive, and of course as a villan she would, go back in time and do whatever she needs to preserve the well being of her Collective.
Yep! I'm another Trekie ;) :p
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Originally posted by MD-2389
I was soooo happy to finally see Janeway die. :D
Janeway dies? SWEET! :D :lol:
Wait... she died properly, right? ;)
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She died assimilated. Ohh yeah that episode hasn't been screened on Australian TV yet.
heheh
I have it here Setekh! 120 megs DivIx
make me an offer...
hahaha
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Originally posted by CougEr
She died assimilated. Ohh yeah that episode hasn't been screened on Australian TV yet.
heheh
I have it here Setekh! 120 megs DivIx
make me an offer...
hahaha
you give it and he doesn't IP ban you :D
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nope the entire netword was destroyed not jsut the one hub - the said the network had been obliterated - and unimatrix 1 was one ofa kind borg queen home - i got to agree other than borg ships that had been sperated and given there independace with the rebelliony thing before i think the borg are gone and they certainly cant be bombing around the universe so quickly - although still pretty fast they still have transwarp drive but the conduts are much faster
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Originally posted by venom2506
you give it and he doesn't IP ban you :D
Yes, it seems like we've reached an arrangement... :D [jk]
Anyway, don't fuss. I'm too busy downloading Legend of the Rangers. ;)
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Originally posted by Setekh
Janeway dies? SWEET! :D :lol:
Wait... she died properly, right? ;)
I don't know how she can be properly dead if she's in the new Star Trek flick as an admiral.
Now, if the Borg really are obliterated, permanently, then Trek has a hope. The Borg were symptomatic of Trek's increasing slide into 1980s era comic book crap, where no hero or villain could make a difference except by selling hostess snack cakes or toys. Look at the history: we've got these mysterious aliens who have the power to scoop entire cities up off a planetary surface, leaving kilometers wide craters. Of course, with that kind of power, they should have been able to destroy the Enterprise and its pesky crew, right? Wrong. Then we've got Delta Quadrant Borg and 44-of-D, who, besides having some of the worse writing of any trek series ever, are the wimpiest, sorriest, most pitiful excuse for bad guys ever. I dare say that the Kazan could easily give them a fair fight. If you dumbed down the Kazan, that is. If the Borg are dead, good riddance.
Shame about Janeway though. I liked her voice. :D
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The 50 year ols Janeway from the future dies at the hands of the Borg Queen.
Unimatrix 1 = One of a kind although much smaller unimatricies will exist.
Transwarp hubs = 7of9 says there are only six in the entire galaxy.
The FC queen death does not count as she undoubtedly assigned a new queen before she went back in time. The 1st Voy death (on the diamond?), we are unsure as to whether she was onboard and she did escape the 359 cube. The final death however was not just a simple death, she was disconnected from the hive before she died and thus her conciousness could not be moved to another drone. And as witnessed in Dark Frontier, if the queen loses contact, everything stops until she regains contact, being dead I don't think she could have regained contact.
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defaintely the transwarp network is gone no question 7 of 9 didn't say the hub was destroyed she said the transwarp network was obliterated as for the hive mind yup the queen is gone i dont know what effect taht will have on most ships but certainly i think the collective as we know it is gone - perhaps they will regain there indivuality perhaps they will keep there collective mind jsut withouth the queen controling them and since therwill be so many opinions very little will get done and perhaps they will all have died and there are no lifeless borg cubes flating aroudn waiting for there tech to be stolen
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Oh yeah. They said the explosion from collapsing those support thingies would spread across the network, but they still have normal TW and slipstream and stuff.
I think the lack of elaborating information was restricted on purpose so as to create speculation as to the demise of the borg amongst ST fans.
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Bah, the Borg was a kickass villain up to Best of Both Worlds, when they still adapted to everything, were still a collective mind instead of that crap hive mind, still didn't have any stupid queen and just stormed through fleets of federation vessels as if they were nothing but pathethic insects.
The simple fact that Voyager (a goddamned tiny scout ship, for Christ's sake!) survived that many encounters with the Borg (one encounter was almost fatal to the Enterprise, a full-blown Galaxy Class, which would kick Voyager's ass all the way through the damned delta quadrant) is a statement to the sheer incompetence of the Star Trek writers, and the fact that they are somehow able to transform one of the coolest sci-fi villains ever (I considered the Borg to be on the same level as SHODAN) into one of the crappiest villains ever is further proof of that.
The Borg doesn't have queens.
The Borg only has cubes.
The Borg will adapt to anything.
The Borg will kick federation's ass.
That's the Borg I like, I refuse to consider anything past BoBW, specially Voyager. And yes, that excludes First Contact.
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I think the Borg shoulda been invincible from the beginning. Non of this non-threatening stuff, as soon as someone is seen by a drone it should scan them and determine if they are a useable resource regardless of how threatening they are. The Cubes should be able to just coast on through fleets dealing death and taking what they need without assimilating an entire planet unless they need the drones or some information. They shoulda been wholely about advancing their tech and appropriating their resources....and maybe wiping out a few highly advanced races to get their tech. They shoulda been like evil-Q's, only interested in improving and expanding.
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I think the message was that even the strong have their achilles heel. Even the biggest shall fall.
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Yeah but that's not always true. Like if America decided to declare war on Etheopia. Where's the (non-political) achilles heel?
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Originally posted by IceFire
I think the message was that even the strong have their achilles heel. Even the biggest shall fall.
Well, I'm pretty sure that that's the message, but the Borg "evolved" from having an Achilles Heel (on BoBW) to being made out of cardboard boxes (on Voyager). And that sucks.
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How do you guys have time to watch TV?
I run 2 projects (1 not from FS2), work for 2 others. Plus school and sports.......... I just don't understand how you have time......:confused:
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yeah i think they tamed the borg abit much - whiel they are nothign on the q if jsut one q was piseed at the hhuman race he could erase them from history with just a thought if the borg were that powerful then there would be no hope - lie the man said just one cube was not even slowed down by i think it was 39 federation starships
they do have there flaws but voyager made them pathetic voyager is just a fast scout ship - galaxy class vessels are still one of the most powerful ships in the fleet they should have had to run from teh borg and hide and used wits to hide - the only time an engagement would have been possible would have been when janeway returned fm the future but i have to admit ti think 1 torpedo to kill a cube is taking things abit far as they would have to be the single most powerful weapons ever ( excluding Q thoughts and the weaposn they came up with to kill each other )
but nevermind it was still a cool episode - seeing voyager deplying armour made it all worth while and it was at little satifying seeing the borg firing everything they had at voyager to no avail and seeing the queens face when 2 cube blew up in short order and the third ordered to retreat
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Hehe. I have time because I can do 4 hours of AS-Level maths work in 25 mins. And also I'm a jobless, sad, socially retarded loner :(:(:(.
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KMN: The Q live in subspace. The Borg know how to screw with subspace. And Q once screamed at his son "Don't provoke the Borg!!!". Hmmmm.
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Originally posted by untouchable
How do you guys have time to watch TV?
I run 2 projects (1 not from FS2), work for 2 others. Plus school and sports.......... I just don't understand how you have time......:confused:
Well, you'll learn what a real time drain is when you find a girlfriend... It has advantages that more than make up to it though. ;)
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So that's why Shrike went over to your house :D
Runs...
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Originally posted by Thunder
So that's why Shrike went over to your house :D
Runs...
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Too damn funny, I think I'll die from the laughter. :rolleyes:
(see, people, that's what the lack of social life can do to you...)
:D
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What can I say - it's 10pm UK time on a Tuesday night and it's pissing down with rain outside - Theres nobody to socialise with! :)
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SHODAN? what's that?
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Originally posted by Thunder
What can I say - it's 10pm UK time on a Tuesday night and it's pissing down with rain outside - Theres nobody to socialise with! :)
Hehe, that sucks. Well, you can always call your (mostly female) friends in, buy a few bottles o'vodka and start a strip poker game (provided that you're the only one that will hang onto the bottle of vodka that's conveniently filled with plain water). :D
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Originally posted by venom2506
SHODAN? what's that?
Sentiend Hyper Optimized Data Analysis Network.
The evil AI from the System Shock series... Now that's the coolest villain ever. Her voice gives me the creeps.
Look at you, hacker... a pathethic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors... how can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
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The Computer from Demon Seed was evil. And for some reason I think the Goa'uld are pretty creepy. But the single best bad guys were the Romulans and Klingons from TOS and maybe the Jem Hadar.
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Originally posted by Styxx
Hehe, that sucks. Well, you can always call your (mostly female) friends in, buy a few bottles o'vodka and start a strip poker game (provided that you're the only one that will hang onto the bottle of vodka that's conveniently filled with plain water). :D
Girls steer clear of such situations...... ALthough when I tried it I did use the words 'We could use a sex slave. Get some beer and come on over.' so that might be why she said no. :D:D:D
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Posted by an0n:
Girls steer clear of such situations...... ALthough when I tried it I did use the words 'We could use a sex slave. Get some beer and come on over.' so that might be why she said no.
Well, I didn't have much trouble when I tried to do that... ;)
The thing is, only mention the strip poker after they're visibly drunk.
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Originally posted by Styxx
Well, I didn't have much trouble when I tried to do that... ;)
The thing is, only mention the strip poker after they're visibly drunk.
Hmm, somehow i think this would be harder to do in our country as opposed to yours.
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:lol:
HLP: Mods, Games, Bosch Beer and How to get girls naked. What more can anyone want from a site?
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I live near Newcastle. That's how rough the girls are around here. Although I must admit, there are quite a few REALLY beautiful girls at college. There's one that looks like Donna Air, one that looks like the killer from Urban Legend and one who defies comparison. I wuv college. :D:D
Well, I didn't have much trouble when I tried to do that...
*looks through box of sticks*
Really big stick of lots of pain? Nah
Ugly stick? Nah
JEALOUSY STICK!
*chases Styxx with jealousy stick and begins beating him senseless*
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Originally posted by Thunder
:lol:
HLP: Mods, Games, Bosch Beer and How to get girls naked. What more can anyone want from a site?
A dangerous question indeed. Tomorrow i'll have to brave the wind on my bike, laughing at all the people stuck in traffic jams. Inbetween recovering from Rollerblade induced injuries(notably when failing to drop in on a half-pipe being the most memorable) i do find time to watch TV.
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Originally posted by venom2506
SHODAN? what's that?
BEST. AI. EVAR.
BEST. GAME CHICK. EVAR.
Or, in more reasonable terms, SHODAN was the villain from System Shock and System Shock 2 (Both games are examples of what a kickass small game house can create. RIP, Looking Glass). She's the guiding sentience behind a space station gone mad, until you kick her ass (Hacker saves the day!). Then, in System Shock 2, you meet her creations on the other side of an experimental FTL jump. They proceed to scare the hell over and over and over, and in the end, tired of your insolence and your unwillingness to give yourself over to the Machine, she decides to crush you herself. Her voice is this creepy modulated machine tone, and she taunts you. She teases you. She even flirts with you a bit. She's as sexy as she is scary. She is everything the Borg ever wanted to be, and then some.
SHODAN:
(http://www.sshock2.com/fanworks/artwork/crion/shodancrion.jpg)
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Originally posted by mikhael
BEST. AI. EVAR.
BEST. GAME CHICK. EVAR.
True, too true. :D
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Voyager the ship: state-of-the-art, featuring the newest technology of its time. Very compact by comparison, not designed to be a scoutship, Intrepids were designed for tactical uses to fill in the gaps in the fleet, much like Deimos in FS2. Very well armed for a ship of its size, although still not as powerful as a Galaxy class much less a Soveriengn class.
Voyager the series: only one word can adequately discribe it: CRAP (no offense to Voyager fans). The writers used the ship's deflector dish, a part of the ship designed to push microscopic dust out of the ship's way while traveling at warp speeds, to solve just about every problem the crew ran into. " o looky here, the borg, what to do, what to do, o i know, recalibrate the deflector dish." "o no, their weapons are too powerful, we cant stop them, what now? i know, angle the deflector dish." "we're under attack, they're out of sync with space time, we cant affect them, what do we do? reset the deflector dish to match them." you get the idea. Its really lame.
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Originally posted by mikhael
BEST. AI. EVAR.
BEST. GAME CHICK. EVAR.
Or, in more reasonable terms, SHODAN was the villain from System Shock and System Shock 2 (Both games are examples of what a kickass small game house can create. RIP, Looking Glass). She's the guiding sentience behind a space station gone mad, until you kick her ass (Hacker saves the day!). Then, in System Shock 2, you meet her creations on the other side of an experimental FTL jump. They proceed to scare the hell over and over and over, and in the end, tired of your insolence and your unwillingness to give yourself over to the Machine, she decides to crush you herself. Her voice is this creepy modulated machine tone, and she taunts you. She teases you. She even flirts with you a bit. She's as sexy as she is scary. She is everything the Borg ever wanted to be, and then some.
Brilliantly summarised. Nice one. :) :yes:
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Okies, small thing to point out, the intrepid is NOT the combat equivelant of the galaxy class. It doesn't have the energy output required to match shield strengths as well as having only three phaser emmiters and two torp launchers.
USS Galaxy Class Exploration Cruiser:
The Galaxy class starship was designed as an exploration ship and was designed from the beginning to carry both civilians and families of the crew on board. This class in no longer being produced and the Galaxy class ship production has been switched to the production of the newer Sovereign class ships.
Several Galaxy class starships have been destroyed including the U.S.S. Enterprise, the U.S.S. Odyssey, and the U.S.S. Yamato.
The ship is effectively two ships in one. Both the primary hull (Saucer Section) and the secondary hull (Star Drive Section) can operate independently. If the sections are separate, the saucer section is limited to impulse travel but since it carries most of the ships berthing, it is effective to have the star drive section to engage and opponent while the saucer section runs for safety.
The ship is lighter armed than would be expected of a ship of its size. This is because a large amount of the ship was taken up by both research facilities and living quarters for the crew and families. On the primary hull are four phaser arrays, two on the top and two on the bottom, and one forward firing torpedo launchers. One the secondary hull are two additional phaser arrays and a forward firing and an aft firing torpedo launcher.
Because of the situation the Federation is in presently with problems with both the Borg and the Dominion, many of the remaining Galaxy class starships have having their civilians based on ground stations and space stations and having the family living quarters converted to marine berthing. There is also the proposal that a large portion of the shuttle bays should be converted into fighter bays and operating the ships as troop transports/ starfighter carriers.
Model Type: NCC-70637
Class: Exploration Cruiser
Crew: 760 (185 officers and 575 enlisted)
Families: Ship can carry a total of 252 Civilians on Board
Marines: If Families are not carried on board, the ship can carry 550 marines in place of the families.
Vehicles:
32 Standard Shuttles
1 Captains Gig
Statistical Data:
Length: 2108.0 feet (642.51 meters)
Height: 640.6 feet (195.26 meters)
Width: 1043.7 feet (318.11 meters)
Mass: 4.5 Million Metric Tons (Deep Space Nine: Technical Manual)
Power System: Primary power system is Anti-Matter with a 20 year life span. Ship normally only goes 5 year between refueling. The Saucer sections is powered by fusion reactors with a 10 year life span.
Cargo: Cargo holds are scattered about the ship that allows for carrying up to 200,000 tons of Cargo in addition to standard compliment of supplies and ammunition.
Market Cost: 25 billion to construct. As far as it is known, the Federation does not sell their starship designs to other interested parties.
Weapon Systems
Saucer Section Phaser Arrays (4)
Star Drive Section Phaser Arrays (2)
Photon/Quantum Torpedo Launchers (3)
Federation USS Intrepid:
The Intrepid class starship was built as a combination of both a Light Cruiser and an Exploration ship. While the ship is much smaller than the Galaxy or Sovereign starship classes (about half the length), the ship is more advanced than the Galaxy class starship and about equal to the Sovereign class. The ships have been built to take the roles of many of the much older Excelsior, Constellation, and Miranda/Avenger class starship. (Think of the ship from ST 2: Wrath of Khan). Due to the present military problems, starfleet has held the earlier classes in service but the present plan is to replace some of them with Intrepid class starships as soon as starfleet can without substantially weakening their forces.
The Intrepid class starship uses special bio-organic computer components. These are more advanced than those used on earlier starship classes and responds faster to any input.
The shields are advanced and as powerful as those on earlier ships that were much larger ships such as the Excelsior class starship. The ship is also physically sturdy and can take a fair amount of abuse before the ship is crippled even with the loss of the ships shields..
While the ship is not as heavy armed as the Defiant, Galaxy, Nebula, or Sovereign classes of starships, the Intrepid class is quite well armed for the ships size. The ship has a total of three phaser arrays. One of the arrays are mounted on the top of the primary hull, one array is mounted under the primary hull, and one array is under the secondary hull. The ship also has two torpedo launchers, one under the primary hull that fires forward and one behind the primary hull the fires aft.
The Intrepid class starship is the largest Federation starship presently that is designed to make planetary landing. The ship supports itself using special anti-gravity systems.
This ship class was original meant to carry both civilians and was designed for 100 crew members to control all function and 80 civilians. Most ships of the class do not carry any civilians and instead will carry either additional crew or marines. This is due to the fact that Star Fleets mission has been revised and due to the danger involved in the present missions of the fleet.
Model Type: NCC - 74201
Vehicle Type: Light Cruiser / Exploration Ship
Crew: 120 Standard (20 Officers / 100 enlisted - Ships will often carry no marines or civilians and will have a crew of 150 to 200)
Troops / Civilians: 80 (Not normally carried)
Vehicles: 4 Shuttles
Statistical Data:
Length: 1,125.3 feet (343 meters)
Height: 216.5 feet (66 meters)
Width: 436.3 feet (133 meters)
Weight: 700,000 Tons (Daystrom Institute Technical Library)
Power System: Anti Matter with 20 year life span. Ship normally only goes 5 years between refuelings.
Cargo: Cargo holds are scattered about the ship that allows for carrying up to 25,000 tons of Cargo in addition to standard compliment of supplies and ammunition.
Market Cost: 14 billion to construct. As far as it is known, the Federation does not sell their starship designs to other interested parties.
WEAPON SYSTEMS:
Phaser Arrays (3)
Photon/Quantum Torpedo Launchers (2)
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And for more statisical pleasure, the Nebula Class and the Soverign class.
The nebula was briefly seen in the wolf 359 encounter with the borg cube. ( The former getting blow to bits).
(http://www.furnation.com/corwyn/nebula.jpg)
Federation USS Nebula Class Multi-Mission Cruiser:
The Nebula class starship is a unique starship. A group of engineers were broken from the main group of engineers working on the Galaxy Class starship to work on a lower cost starship using many of the components used in the Galaxy class starship. The result was the Nebula class starship. The ship uses the same saucer section as the Galaxy class and the saucer section of the USS Galaxy was tested on the secondary hull of the USS Nebula to the disgust of the engineers working on the Galaxy class starship. The Nebula class is less expensive to construct than a Galaxy class and has the added advantage that the ship can carry a multi mission pod for a variety of different operations. Many of the components on the Nebula class starship are identical to those used on the Galaxy class. Like the Galaxy class starship, the ship was designed to carry civilians onboard the ship. Nebula class starship under construction are being completed but future Nebula class construction is being halted for the construction of Sovereign class.
There is a variant on the Nebula class cruiser that is a hospital ship. This variant does not carry the weapon pod and replaces this with extra facility for medical patients. The ship also reduces general crew by about one third and adds 250 medical personnel and has the facilities for 1500 patients. The ship has eight emergency rooms, limb coning facilities, and 300 stasis chambers.
The USS Nebula was destroyed in an encounter with a Borg Cube and the Star System Wolf 359. There was some discussion of renaming the ship class but it was decided to retain Nebula as the ship class.
Like the Galaxy Class, the ship is effectively two ships in one. Both the primary hull (Saucer Section) and the secondary hull (Star Drive Section) can operate independently. If the sections are separate, the saucer section is limited to impulse travel but since it carries most of the ships berthing, it is effective to have the star drive section to engage and opponent while the saucer section runs for safety. While there are some system differences, a Nebula class starship can use a Galaxy class starships saucer section and a Galaxy class starship can use the saucer from a Nebula class starship.
While this ship carried about the same weaponry as a Galaxy class starship, the ship can carry a special Multi-Mission pod which several configuration add extra weaponry to the ship. With the addition of additional pods, the ships firepower is about equivalent to what would be expected on a ship the same size. Otherwise it firepower is lower than Klingon and Romulan ships of the same size. On the primary hull the ship has two phaser arrays and one forward firing torpedo launchers. One the secondary hull the ship has two additional phaser arrays and a forward firing and an aft firing torpedo launcher. The ship can also carry a variety of different multi mission pods to add different weapon systems to add more weapon systems to the ship. The general weapons pod adds to the ship two more phaser arrays and two additional photon torpedo launchers, the photon torpedo launcher pod ass five additional photon torpedo launchers, and mega phaser pod wich adds two mega phaser that are far mor powerful that those carried on the Avenger class.
Because of the situation the Federation is in presently with problems with both the Borg and the Dominion, most of the remaining Nebula class starships have having their civilians based on ground stations and space stations and having the family living quarters converted to marine berthing. Like the Galxy class, there is also the proposal that a large portion of the shuttle bays should be converted into fighter bays and operating the ships as troop transports/ starfighter carriers.
Model Type: NCC-0112D
Class: Multi-Mission Cruiser
Crew: 710 (80 officers and 630 enlisted)
Families: Ship can carry a total of 170 Civilians on Board
Marines: If Families are not carried on board, the ship can carry 340 marines in place of the families.
Vehicles: 25 Standard Shuttles
1 Captains Gig
Statistical Data:
Length: 1,450.9 feet (442.23 meters)
Height: 427.9 feet (130.43 meters)
Width: 1043.7 feet (318.11 meters)
Mass: 3.3 million metic tons (Deep Space Nine: Technical Manual)
Power System: Primary power system is Anti-Matter with a 20 year life span. Ship normally only goes 5 year between refueling. The Saucer sections is powered by fusion reactors with a 10 year life span.
Cargo: Cargo holds are scattered about the ship that allows for carrying up to 400,000 tons of Cargo in addition to standard compliment of supplies and ammunition.
Market Cost: 20 billion to construct. As far as it is known, the Federation does not sell their starship designs to other interested parties.
Saucer Section Phaser Arrays (4):
Star Drive Section Phaser Arrays (2):
Photon/Quantum Torpedo Launchers (3):
Multi-Mission Pod: The ship can carry a variety of different multi mission pods. The pod is located above the secondary hull and overlaps above the primary hull as well. In addition to the weapon pods types listed below, there are also pods to give the ship additional sensors, to add more research facilities, and additional facilities for passengers when the ship is performing diplomatic missions.
a. General Weapons Pod: This pod carries a variety of different weaponry including two phaser banks and two photon torpedo launchers.
b. Photon Torpedo Launcher Pod: This pod greatly increases the number of launchers on the ship. The pod adds a total of five Photon Torpedo launchers, three the fire forward and two that fire aft.
c. Mega-Phaser Pod: While similar to the Mega Phasers carried on the earlier Avenger class, the Mega Phaser are far more powerful and have a longer range as well. They are capable of destroying smaller ships in one hit and can decimate larger targets with just a few shots.
USS Sovereign Class Battlecruiser:
The Sovereign class was built to be a true combatant vessel. It is far better armed than the Galaxy class and uses many new cutting edge systems. Production of the Galaxy class starship has been discontinued and Sovereign class Battlecruisers are being constructed in their place. The Sovereign class is slightly larger than the Galaxy class starship but is both narrower and shorter in height than the Galaxy class. Except for the Prometheus class starship, the Sovereign class is the most advanced starship design in starfleet. As a result, many admirals are using the Sovereign class as their starship. The ships are also drawing the best captains and crew members in Star Fleet. The Sovereign class Battlecruiser, USS Enterprise fought well against the Borg cube and the ship class has been declare a success.
The Sovereign class starship uses special bio-organic computer components. These systems were first tested on the Intrepid starship class but were added to the Sovereign class. This type of computer system is more advanced than those used on starship classes earlier than the Intrepid and responds faster to any input. This increases the starships combat performance
The ships deflector shields are more powerful than shields on previous ship classes and the shield energy frequencies can be varied so the shields will take less damage from many types attacks. This technology was achieved through studying the Borgs ability to adapt to incoming attacks. The ship is less bulky than the Galaxy class yet because new advanced alloys, the ship is capable of absorbing more punishment than the Galaxy class starship could.
The design is quite well armed. The ship has a total of six heavy phaser arrays. Two arrays is on the top of the primary hull, two arrays is on the bottom of the primary hull, and two of the arrays are on the secondary hull. These arrays are similar to those on the Galaxy class starship but have a longer effective range and have a higher output than the phasers on the Galaxy class. The phasers can also be adjusted so they are more effective against other ships shields. This also allows the phasers to adjust to a Borg cubes ability to adapt to energy weapon fire. The ship also has two torpedo launchers below the saucer and two below the navigation deflector that fire forward as well as two torpedo launchers that fire aft. This gives the ship twice the torpedo launchers of a Galaxy class starship.
Because the ship was designed from the frame outwards up as a warship, the ship has no facilities for families. The ship does carry a small number of marines. The crew and troop quarters are still spacious but have far less room than the quarters in the Galaxy class starship.
Model Type: NCC - 74220
Class: Battlecruiser
Crew: 855 (125 officers and 725 Enlisted)
Troops: 200 Marines, 45 Shuttle pilots, and can carry up to 50 passengers in addition.
Vehicles: 15 Standard Shuttles
Statistical Data:
Length: 2231 feet (680 meters)
Width: 787.4 feet (240 meters)
Height: 285.4 feet (87 meters)
Mass: 3.5 million metric tons (Daystrom Institute Technical Library)
Power System: Anti Matter with 20 year life span. Ship normally only goes 5 years between refuelings.
Cargo: Cargo holds are scattered about the ship that allows for carrying up to 100,000 tons of Cargo in addition to standard compliment of supplies and ammunition.
Market Cost: 32 billion to construct. As far as it is known, the Federation does not sell their starship designs to other interested parties.
WEAPON SYSTEMS:
Phaser Arrays (6): Arrays are mounted with two on the top and bottom sides of the starship primary hull and two arrays are mounted on the secondary hull. Each phaser array can fire four individual beams at the same time and can be aimed at different or the same targets. Each one can fire in any direction and directly up for top phasers and directly down for bottom phasers
Photon/Quantum Torpedo Launchers (6): The ship a total of six launchers. The ship has two launchers below the dish that fire forward, two launchers below the navigational dish that fire forward, and two launchers that fire aft.
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the q dont live in subspace they live in teh q continium - adn the q jsut didn't want hsi son messing things up for others - q himself has provoked the borg several times.
the q are acaully the guardians of the universe they are one of the forces acts to keep things in order - sort of like an elemental force just one that occasionally gets board and does somethign fun.
the q have nothign to fear from teh borg. think about it with a single act of will they can alter the psat preseent and future they could if the borg were begining to advance enough to threaten them they would know about it instantly and they could go back and stop the borg from ever coming into being - nope the borg are a threat to the normal races of the galaxy not to the Q who are really gods in all but name
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Like those Thirdspace guys?
Who are these Q dudes, anyway?
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The Thirdspace peolpe were vastly different though - in a way they were Borg like in their desire to wipe out inferior species, but according to the Vorlon message they'd done it to many many more peolpe.
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Sorry, I actually meant to compare the 3Space people with the Q... whoever they are. "the Q who are really gods in all but name" was what led me to compare them with the 3Space race, who (to my limited knowledge), are immensely powerful. :)
So, can anyone gimme the lowdown on the Q? ;)
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Setekh, are you fishing for more probably useless info?
Since I have nothing better to do...
The Q have as many personalities as people do. Personally I don't see any limit to their number in the ST universe, though after the 'wars' they had in a few voyager episodes I imagine there's a number less now.
And just like people we have serious, "Mind your own business." types and the really annoying, "I wonder what Picard's doing tonight." kind that we know. Heck there was a suicidal Q as well.
STARFLEET LIFEFORM FILE: "Q"
Assessment Report of Starfleet Command
Portions excerpted from Briefing of 2367
Contributing analysis: Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"Q" is the Federation designation for an impudent, self-superior and sometimes malevolent being from the otherwise mysterious Q Continuum. Beginning in 2364, the alien literally began to pop up in Federation space to tease, torment, and try Starfleet officers — especially Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the U.S.S. Enterprise. From the reports and eyewitness accounts it is not certain that the remainder of his kind share his outlook. It should always be stressed that Q's apparent juvenile humor should never be mistaken for the amoral, unconscionable acts of which he is capable.
As a pursuing hostile, Q achieved Warp 9.9 — although that might have been designed to tease the humans; he has since showed capability for instantaneous travel within both space and time within this dimension and perhaps others. The subject Q claims to have an Intelligence Quotient of 2,005 and to be ageless.
The Q being, usually taking the form of a human male, is known to have confronted the El-Aurian native Guinan around 2166, a century before the Borg scattered her people and over 250 years after she first encountered Captain Picard and his crew when they were time-traveling in old San Francisco. Q and Guinan consider each other enemies.
He first appeared to the mainstream Federation when attempting to limit humanity's ongoing advance in the galaxy, charging humans as being a "grievously savage race" and putting Picard's crew on trial as all humanity's representative. Later that year, with the Continuum intrigued by humans, Q tried to tempt Picard's first officer Riker with Q powers so the Continuum would have a human to study. Losing a bet with Picard that Riker would accept them, Q had to promise he'd leave humans alone.
Recalled home for that incident and cast out to wander the galaxy, a bored Q offered to renounce his powers and sign on as a "guide" through the unknown upon reappearing in 2366. Picard's refusal angered him into hurling the ship 7,000 light-years beyond explored space into the initial confrontation with the Borg, where the U.S.S. Enterprise escaped only with his help. Because of such ongoing meddling, Q was reportedly stripped of all his powers by the Continuum and banned again circa Stardate 43539, choosing human form in refuge aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise to hide out from all his enemies. But after selflessly offering himself to the Calamarain to save the starship, his powers were restored.
Captain Picard has reported that Q returned a year later, claiming to still harbor guilt over the unreturned gratitude while arriving unannounced amid a personal matter involving a romantic affair. To apparently learn more about this new vulnerability in Picard, he placed the couple and the ship's senior staff in a Sherwood Forest reality as the legendary Robin Hood, Maid Marian, and the Merry Men — with himself as the Sheriff of Nottingham. After its resolution, the woman, the rogue archeologist Vash, accepted Q's offer for hosted adventures about the universe.
It was this encounter which prompted Starfleet Command to schedule a major service-wide briefing on Q in 2367. Despite his departure with Vash and a year's seeming absence, Q turned up again in Picard's life twice within a few months in 2369, to claim a Q female raised up as a human and to steer Picard on his deathbed through an alternative view of his own life. The busy alien also turned up on Deep Space Nine that year, where he taunted Commander "Benjy" Sisko and his staff.
A year later he sent Picard on a time-slipping trek into three key timelines to help decipher a poser the Continuum had raised to illustrate humanity's future.
Q has called 24th century Earth a "dreary place" and "mind-numbingly dull," preferring it a thousand years earlier with the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and - shrinking his own time lag by 400 years — Watergate. However, it was that same boredom that drove him to mischief in the first place.
Security Assessment: Starfleet Intelligence
It should be noted that in all of these latter encounters Q took on a darker, more establishment tone. In his early appearances Q had tried to intimidate the Starfleet crews he met with rapid changes in costume, mostly from Earth history: appearing variously as an Elizabethan-era naval captain, a United States World War II Marine general, a post-nuclear Holocaust drug soldier and judge, an Aldebaran serpent, a Starfleet admiral in dress uniform, a Napoleonic French marshal, a Starfleet commander, a monk, an angle, and a deaf elderly man; eventually he came to prefer a simple contemporary Starfleet captain's tunic.
Though supposedly bereft of human failings such as emotion, Q has shown an occasional romantic inclination — especially with Vash, whom he toured around the Gamma Quadrant in 2367 until she grew tired of him and escaped until they crossed paths again at Deep Space Nine two years later.
His emotional outbursts have included jealousy and petty tantrums, even smaller in scope than the forced Borg encounter: freezing Tasha Yar and later isolating her in a "penalty box," converting an angry Dr. Crusher into a barking Irish setter, sending potential rival Julian Bashir into a deep sleep before his date with Vash, and in anger caused her to age and lose her hair as per an alien insect's bite.
File update:
Q Entity: Logged by Capt. Kathryn Janeway, U.S.S. Voyager, Delta Quadrant
SD 49301.2: As part of our ongoing intent to update existing Starfleet and UFP database files where possible, I make the following notation regarding the entity described as Q and hope that it survives us.
The alien described in Picard's reports appeared on our vessel to contest our unintentional freeing of a fellow Q from his isolated imprisonment, where he had been put for expressing a desire for suicide. As a compromise I was allowed to decide his fate in an inquiry which included a human-personified representation of the Q Continuum and the appearance of Isaac Newton, a 20th century human involved in popular music culture named Maury Ginsberg, and Cmdr. Wil Riker, late of Picard's crew. I only pray that Riker could have somehow been returned to his home with a message revealing our crew's whereabouts. My impression of the Q home is one of bored omnipotence, which leads me to wonder why more natives are not of a meddling mind as the Q known to us.
Throughout our dealings I found Q to be reasonable, though fostering what I would call a flirtatious attraction to me personally, and he kept his word — even when I ruled against him. The incident aboard Voyager seems to have shaken up his reportedly increasingly staid demeanor, especially when the other Q cited his one-time hijinks as an inspiration.
Supplemental, SD 50394:
As I had feared, Q has reappeared with disturbing news on many fronts. He was indeed inspired to take up his late comrade's banner of individualism within the Q Continuum, which apparently sparked an all-out internal struggle between the two factions which appeared in our dimension as constant supernovas, far above the statistical norm. I have no idea, of course, whether this was galaxy-wide or localized to our Delta Quadrant region. For our perception Q depicted the events as a scenario from Earth's American Civil War — where he took the side, interestingly enough, of the Union forces. The guise was thorough enough that interceding Voyager officers eventually used Continuum "weaponry" in this form with enough ability to halt the fighting.
I was also correct about his perverse fascination for me personally: on this visit he professed an annoyingly insistence to bear his child in order to pump "new blood" into what he perceived as a staid species. While I rarely felt myself in any danger of being coerced against my will — and problems of interspecies physiology aside — it eventually turned out this was his plan to end the "civil war" just mentioned.
Should these logs survive us, this visit may have added to our perception of the Continuum in that it turns out representations of "male" and "female" Q do mate for life. Q's mate, who turned up in a spate of jealousy over his attentions to me, described herself as five billion years in age, and their relationship a billion years less than that.
Even more amazing is that fact that I may have witnessed the first-ever "procreation" between two Q — which to these mortal human eyes appeared to be more than touching the index fingers together, an original method these two created on the spot.
In any event the new infant apparently ended the internal dispute, and I now have the dubious distinction of being godmother to what may be the first Q infant in several millennia, if ever.
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Gimme a few and I'll rip up some stuff on the 3rd space entities.
Though I really doubt any hard info can be found on them.
Edit2: After two hours, gave up on the ThirdSpace entities. The best I could find was the background info that was given in the movie itself. "Very ancient xenocidal aliens who had conquered their entire deminsion. The vorlons constructed a gateway in their ignorance to the alien's space and a terrible war was fought.
The aliens had massive psychic powers that they used to turn allies against themselves and the fact that they could do this to the powerful vorlon species is a considerable feat.
The vorlons suffered heavy losses but they managed to shutdown the gateway, but the aliens managed to get it into hyperspace where it was left adrift until Cmdr. Ivonova discovered it returning to Babylon5.
Shortly afterwards everyone starts having visions in their dreams of great cities, recognizing each other there. The scientists finally managed to power it up just as Delin discovered the truth. The gateway opened up and all hell broke loose.
The fighting was fierce, their 'fighters' were around 100meters long, a third the length of a whitestar. They had energy shielding that reflected most attacks.
Finally Sheridan destroyed it with a tactical nuclear weapon, by piloting a spacesuit through the battlefield with the thing strapped to his chest. He deposits the weapon, sets the timer and runs like hell through alien-infested corridors.
At the moment the main ship of the fleet was emerging, 10 miles long... However before it could come into play the gateway was destroyed and after mopping up the last of the ships it was back to business as usual on the station... After all of the crew stopped fighting each other that is.
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hey, that Q thing is quite good actually, I like it :)
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that article while acurate doesn't give you an idea of there power - q apparently lost an entire ateroid belt once cause he forgot where he put it there is litterally no place they cant go voyager was taken to a place that exsisted before the big bang once and in the same epsidoe was turned into a christmas tree decoration in an attemp to hide form other Q - there is no known power anywhere in the trek universe that even begins to compare with their power - thankfully they aren't evil just the odd one witha perverse sence of humour
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However, like I said, I don't apply rules to gods.
And there is one thing to note, Q as a whole are stale. Non-growing... That's why they have such an interest in the human race.
Because they know humans will someday surpass them.
It's just one of those things that humans do, if there's a boundry, someone will break it somehow. The Q, already considering themselves to be the summit of the mountain of evolution, aren't evolving anymore.
They look at humans and see something that they will never be. A dynamically growing race that knows no boundries... Because we know one day we will get there.
Since the Q live in all time periods simultaniously they can't evolve as time goes by.
The Q have no real limits to their powers, why? Because from a literary standing, they're a plot point. Move the story along, aggrivate the characters and give them something to do.
Hell, the borg queen keeps trying to assimilate us by sending ONE cube at a time... Why not send her fleet of cubes after us?
The federation got ripped a new one when the first cube came through and they were just barely able to destroy it. The second time they didn't fare any better.
Can you imagine the brass at starfleet and the stench of soiled uniforms when a report of 10 cubes entering Fed space comes across their desks? :)
There is still a possibility of good and bad Q's too. What if the universe is destroyed on a daily basis just because one Q can't get enough sleep at night? Then wakes up finally and goes, 'Oops, hit the alarm too hard.' and *Poof* we're all back again.
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Hey, Kitsune... thanks. That was exactly what I was looking for. I love reading these species bios, I could do that for hours. :)
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Originally posted by mikhael
She even flirts with you a bit. She's as sexy as she is scary.
I'd do her. ;7
Errrrr................ runs!!
*cough*
Um, anyhow....
Perhaps the Borg are slapping around the Feddies to force the feddies to develop new tech for the Borg to steal. Ever think of that?
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Shrike, you're cool and all, but do you really rate having the Machine Mother as your personal avatar? ;)
Not that I'm jealous or anything...
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Originally posted by Thunder
What can I say - it's 10pm UK time on a Tuesday night and it's pissing down with rain outside - Theres nobody to socialise with! :)
Well if you'll send me an auth msg.... ;)
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Well, maybe they are being used to create bigger and better weapons to use against the borg.
But there's the catch, WTF is the queen going to do if they make too big of a jump and they reach the same level as that species in voyager that could destroy a cube with one shot?
In the ST universe, you can't just change the past like that. (Thre's about 5 episodes that go on this theme.)
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Originally posted by Kitsune
Well, maybe they are being used to create bigger and better weapons to use against the borg.
But there's the catch, WTF is the queen going to do if they make too big of a jump and they reach the same level as that species in voyager that could destroy a cube with one shot?
In the ST universe, you can't just change the past like that. (Thre's about 5 episodes that go on this theme.)
Send Schwartzeneger (sp?) :D