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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hellstryker on August 03, 2008, 12:19:10 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc
"Dude I don't have a father" so his response is to shove him on the ground and scream at him? it makes you wonder how the **** these people are brought up. I also admire the kid since he -did- stand up and do somthing when all his friends ****ing ran away, aside from the guy FILMING it who the cop didn't seem to give a damn about.
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That, my friend, is how corrupted out world is. Some of us as a species cannot define the word respect, or either prospect it wrongly. This 'dude' who took the kid's skateboard was obviously ignorant of the child, and the child was just excercising his right of free speech.
I find it shocking that the Baltimore police deparment actually recruited this man. His actions are truly showing us that there is still some much bullcrap out in the world that still needs to be changed.
I empathize the kid who was filming and the kid who was arrested, as they have demonstrated what humanity is about: Facing your problems and fixing them, and to show no shines of fear, to keep being brave.
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That, my friend, is how corrupted out world is. Some of us as a species cannot define the word respect, or either prospect it wrongly. This 'dude' who took the kid's skateboard was obviously ignorant of the child, and the child was just excercising his right of free speech.
I find it shocking that the Baltimore police deparment actually recruited this man. His actions are truly showing us that there is still some much bullcrap out in the world that still needs to be changed.
I empathize the kid who was filming and the kid who was arrested, as they have demonstrated what humanity is about: Facing your problems and fixing them, and to show no shines of fear, to keep being brave.
That my friend, is a quote for the ages.
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That my friend, is a quote for the ages.
Thanks for putting my quote in your signature :). That bent my anger into a smile, and something in me says 'It's the people who are like Hellstryker, they are the ones who will demonstrate to us what humanity does best: kindness.'
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Oh yeah this was all over /b/... 9 months ago.
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That my friend, is a quote for the ages.
Thanks for putting my quote in your signature :). That bent my anger into a smile, and something in me says 'It's the people who are like Hellstryker, they are the ones who will demonstrate to us what humanity does best: kindness.'
The unfortanate part is that freedom must be taken, resulting in more violence. it's a philosophical ****storm
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Did some digging - the cop was suspended and investigated, but I can't find the results so it's probably still going on. There are many, many law enforcement officers who go about their jobs professionally and with compassion. It's unfortunate that a relative few injure the reputations of so many.
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If you think that that's twisted, check out this (http://wcco.com/iteam/swat.team.honored.2.783216.html).
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If you think that that's twisted, check out this (http://wcco.com/iteam/swat.team.honored.2.783216.html).
While I don't think they should have been commended, and they (or whoever gave them that address) should have been disciplined for screwing up like that, it is a SWAT team sent to deal with a potentially armed threat... you can't expect any less than their returning fire. I mean seriously, you expect them to retreat when they have superior firepower and are doing their duty? (No, they weren't supposed to be at that house, but it's unclear at what level the mistake was made...)
As for the topic video:
That man has no business being in law enforcement. Being called 'dude' or 'man' is no justification for the use of force. Heck, he could have said "you keep at it, fatty, and i'll see to it you get fired for this"... even that wouldn't justify it ... it might be understandable, but it's certainly not justifiable.
And how it ends... it almost sounded like he was about to threaten the guy filming it. That's certainly illegal. The problem is, the police (and the military, too) think they are above the law... and they have what it takes to keep themselves from getting in trouble for serious offenses.
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If you think that that's twisted, check out this (http://wcco.com/iteam/swat.team.honored.2.783216.html).
There is a difference bewteen this case and the video file above. Firstly, the SWAT team's intention was to get in, take out hostile units and get out. Their intentions were to make the nation safer by suspending the possible threats of active terrorism. However, in this case, they obviously made a mistake (I mean, that's human). However, I strongly decline the fact that they should be awarded with honour. This will cause more cases such as this one, as members of the protective team might also be aiming for achieving this honour. Personally, I would not offer the team any honours, however, I also do not think they should be stripped of their rank, due to that it was faulty intelligence (not their fault). So to conclude this paragraph, the intentions and goals of this SWAT story is yin (Bright - meaning not evil).
However, with the case of the officer in the Youtube video, the motive of the officer was to be abusive. It may be considered 'bullying' to some. Regardless, the goal of the officer was to insult the child and to abuse the child; both physically and verbally. Being an officer is a tough job. It's not about your badge, it's not about your job, it's not about your department. It's about the responsibilities you take. Whatever action you do, you are responsible. This man is not responsible as a police officer, as he could have approached the situation from a smoother angle.
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It's pretty hard for a SWAT team to make the mistake, I think it wasn't their mistake...
they shouldn't be commended for it, however.
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And how it ends... it almost sounded like he was about to threaten the guy filming it. That's certainly illegal. The problem is, the police (and the military, too) think they are above the law... and they have what it takes to keep themselves from getting in trouble for serious offenses.
This is disingenious. The military is, for the most part, held to a similar but not exactly the same form of the law, which is if anything stricter than the one the general public is held to. The police do not believe they are above the law; if anything, they believe they must embody the law. This is usually a positive thing since it is interpreted to me that they must not only be the law in the sense of their job but also in the more literal sense of their lives, but occasionally someone misinterprets "embody" to be "I am", and then you have problems.
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If I had to drive a car like that in my job I might develope some pent-up frustrations myself...
Doesn't make it right though. Very unprofessional handling of the situation seeing how most apparently all the disrespect was in the laarge space between the ears of this... police officer.
Nice going anyway, identifying himself in the video after rather needlessly manhandlingand verbally abusing a 14-year-old. :lol:
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I love that he drives a metermaid car
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc
"Dude I don't have a father" so his response is to shove him on the ground and scream at him? it makes you wonder how the **** these people are brought up. I also admire the kid since he -did- stand up and do somthing when all his friends ****ing ran away, aside from the guy FILMING it who the cop didn't seem to give a damn about.
Alright, I'm mixed about this.
I have to say I hate skater kids with an absolute passion, and I wholeheartedly agree with every single word coming out of the officer's mouth. The kid was being an immature 14 year old, not some brave champion of free speech. The whole incident could have stopped when the officer told him he wasn't allowed to ride his skateboard. However, he chose to backtalk. Had the kid not been a smartass, it could have been done and over with.
However, there was absolutely no need for the officer to put the kid in a headlock like he did. That was unnecessary roughness on his part, and he should have showed better restraint.
The problem is, the police (and the military, too) think they are above the law... and they have what it takes to keep themselves from getting in trouble for serious offenses.
Care to elaborate, or are we just leaving it at that blanket statement?
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And how it ends... it almost sounded like he was about to threaten the guy filming it. That's certainly illegal. The problem is, the police (and the military, too) think they are above the law... and they have what it takes to keep themselves from getting in trouble for serious offenses.
This is disingenious. The military is, for the most part, held to a similar but not exactly the same form of the law, which is if anything stricter than the one the general public is held to. The police do not believe they are above the law; if anything, they believe they must embody the law. This is usually a positive thing since it is interpreted to me that they must not only be the law in the sense of their job but also in the more literal sense of their lives, but occasionally someone misinterprets "embody" to be "I am", and then you have problems.
If anything its the army that's corrupt. Theres around 50 youtube videos of innocent iraqi insurgents civilians, WOUNDED for that matter, getting sniped.
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There have been a handful of cases in the local news (Washington D.C. and vicinity) where officers have fired on and killed unarmed people who posed no threat and were not violating the law. The police force will say the officer in question was somehow justified in doing it, and even when numerous witnesses testify that the [dead] person had not done anything, the court sides with the police.
Also: police firing on peaceful protesters, with 'beanbags' (the name makes it sound harmless, but it's not), tear gas, ... etc.
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Also: police firing on peaceful protesters, with 'beanbags' (the name makes it sound harmless, but it's not), tear gas, ... etc.
In what context? I highly doubt seeing officers firing on anybody but those partaking in civil disobedience--in which case, the protesters honestly have no room to cry, given they're knowingly breaking the law in the first place.
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See, i'm looking at this in a slightly different way from most of you guys.
They're skateboarders, he should have used his gun.
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Also: police firing on peaceful protesters, with 'beanbags' (the name makes it sound harmless, but it's not), tear gas, ... etc.
In what context? I highly doubt seeing officers firing on anybody but those partaking in civil disobedience--in which case, the protesters honestly have no room to cry, given they're knowingly breaking the law in the first place.
Kent State, anyone? (National Guard, I know, but the point stands)
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Also: police firing on peaceful protesters, with 'beanbags' (the name makes it sound harmless, but it's not), tear gas, ... etc.
In what context? I highly doubt seeing officers firing on anybody but those partaking in civil disobedience--in which case, the protesters honestly have no room to cry, given they're knowingly breaking the law in the first place.
Kent State, anyone? (National Guard, I know, but the point stands)
I was asking for a more recent example.
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Redsniper, you an old squad dog or am i thinking of someone else?
On topic. S**t happens jet people deal with it as people need to deal with it :lol:
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If anything its the army that's corrupt. Theres around 50 youtube videos of innocent iraqi insurgents civilians, WOUNDED for that matter, getting sniped.
I defy anyone here to, in a split-second judgement in a combat situation, accurately judge the potentional threat of a person every time. The military isn't the cops and using them like the cops will cause this. When faced with a threat they put fire on it until it goes away; that's how they're trained. If you don't like the nature of the beast then you need to get a different one, or if that's not an option, deal with it.
I don't wish to excuse them; they should actively try to do better. But so long as this is the task they're given, then this is what will result.
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Agreed
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Did someone say Baltimore?
Here's a VERY profane advertisement that was made back in the eighties, according to the description. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sZuN0xXWLc) If you've got children in the same room, put your fingers in their ears. ;)
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If anything its the army that's corrupt. Theres around 50 youtube videos of innocent iraqi insurgents civilians, WOUNDED for that matter, getting sniped.
And over 80 thousand people were killed in Iraq since 2003, mostly due to car bombs and suicide bombers detonating themselves in large groups of people, such as a marketplace, Mosque or filled up bus, with the second main reason being US-Insurgent shootouts and wars among the Shiite and Sunni fractions, or more recently Iraqis vs Iranians (who cross the border in thousands).
And over 40 thousand people are killed in the US alone in car crashes every year, making over 200 000 deaths since the Iraqi war began.
So yup, 50 accidents in selecting targets proves the US Army is made of corrupted, bloodthirsty psychos.
P.S. And about the original vid:
Kid rides skateboard where it ain't allowed, disrespects the cop, calls him a dude, interrupts the cop when he talks to him...
and says "I didn't do anything". Just priceless.
P.P.S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedlpshJb4c&feature=related - same cop, guess he does suffer from lack of sense of humor. At least he got suspended.
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1) Skateboarders are sometimes stupid for occasionally trespassing onto private property to skateboard or skateboarding in places that it is blatantly against town ordinance.
2) Private property owners sometimes overreact to this and are sometimes stupid about it.
3) Police officers are sometimes stupid for occasionally letting their position go to their heads or overreacting to these incidences
And that all adds up to a few isolated incidences where only stupidity is shown. In 99.999% of all cases, the skaters either don't break the rules, the skaters leave when asked, or people don't really care about the skaters. All that is portrayed in these few youtube videos are the outliers.
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:wtf:
I think that cop needs to up his Ritalin dosage. Seriously.
However, I'm kind of glad that kid got torn a new asshole. Braindead skater "dudes" who cruise around everywhere they're not allowed, get offended and defensive when someone takes exception to them like skating is their right, disrespect and backsass authority and figure themselves above showing respect to anyone but their fellow wangster preteens deserve pretty much all the stuff they get. Maybe not a headlock but what goes around, comes around. Next time, just give the guy the damn skateboard instead of wrestling him for it. Or even better, just say "okay" and leave.
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I'd be pissed too though if I had to drive a golfcart around.
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Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't have much of a problem with that Video. The Cop did over-react, but then, 90% of being a cop is having respect, for every cop, there are tens of thousands of citizens.
The kid was being stupid, the cop doesn't want a confrontation, he just wants to get back to his job and hopefully not see anything too unpleasant before he goes home that evening. What he does not want is to be given lip in front of members of the public by a kid trying to impress his mates. That would have got him a clip round the ear 20 years ago, and really should do the same now.
So, yeah, they caught the cop on a bad day, but all young animals naturally challenge authority, and authority naturally smacks them round the back of the head, it's part of the great cycle of life.
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Wouldn't like to see that cop anywhere close a real problem site :nervous:
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Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't have much of a problem with that Video. The Cop did over-react, but then, 90% of being a cop is having respect, for every cop, there are tens of thousands of citizens.
The kid was being stupid, the cop doesn't want a confrontation, he just wants to get back to his job and hopefully not see anything too unpleasant before he goes home that evening. What he does not want is to be given lip in front of members of the public by a kid trying to impress his mates. That would have got him a clip round the ear 20 years ago, and really should do the same now.
So, yeah, they caught the cop on a bad day, but all young animals naturally challenge authority, and authority naturally smacks them round the back of the head, it's part of the great cycle of life.
Honestly I agree, there are far too many kids who need their butts kicked.
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Honestly I agree, there are far too many kids who need their butts kicked.
This is what happens when child protection goes too far.
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And how it ends... it almost sounded like he was about to threaten the guy filming it. That's certainly illegal. The problem is, the police (and the military, too) think they are above the law... and they have what it takes to keep themselves from getting in trouble for serious offenses.
This is disingenious. The military is, for the most part, held to a similar but not exactly the same form of the law, which is if anything stricter than the one the general public is held to. The police do not believe they are above the law; if anything, they believe they must embody the law. This is usually a positive thing since it is interpreted to me that they must not only be the law in the sense of their job but also in the more literal sense of their lives, but occasionally someone misinterprets "embody" to be "I am", and then you have problems.
If anything its the army that's corrupt. Theres around 50 youtube videos of innocent iraqi insurgents civilians, WOUNDED for that matter, getting sniped.
Care to show us these videos? Why would youtube show real battle scenes with people getting killed. I thought that was against the terms of agreement. :P
ROFL, if only we could do this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WthrU0Nsp5g&feature=related) everytime some asshole cop has a powertrip :lol:
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ROFL, if only we could do this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WthrU0Nsp5g&feature=related) everytime some asshole cop has a powertrip :lol:
The "asshole" in this example has every right to be pissed, the idiots can go and skate somewhere else.
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we need bigger wars
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ROFL, if only we could do this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WthrU0Nsp5g&feature=related) everytime some asshole cop has a powertrip :lol:
The "asshole" in this example has every right to be pissed, the idiots can go and skate somewhere else.
I never said this guy was an asshole. Nor did I say he didn't have the right to be pissed.
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Care to show us these videos? Why would youtube show real battle scenes with people getting killed. I thought that was against the terms of agreement.
Depends on how the title is written:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvupw5aeBkY
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=WKAxmyRau4E
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=k_kv4p65q3s
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBLuBgCzak&feature=related
Mika
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Care to show us these videos? Why would youtube show real battle scenes with people getting killed. I thought that was against the terms of agreement.
Depends on how the title is written:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvupw5aeBkY
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=WKAxmyRau4E
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=k_kv4p65q3s
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBLuBgCzak&feature=related
these are insurgents... he said there was a lot of vids on youtube of CIVILIANS getting shot and killed.
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Kid had it coming.
People should respect the police. If not the laws themselves, at least the people who risk their lives to protect us.
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Kid had it coming.
People should respect the police. If not the laws themselves, at least the people who risk their lives to protect us.
Yeah...it's hard to remember this, especially when you start thinking that all the police does is go to the crime scene hours after the event and take notes. I mean, if some guy went crazy in the subway, brandishing a knife at people, and it so happens that two policemen were nearby, the policemen will have little choice but to disable or kill. There was an incident like that in Singapore some months back.
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Kid had it coming.
People should respect the police. If not the laws themselves, at least the people who risk their lives to protect us.
I find that odd coming from you
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Kid had it coming.
People should respect the police. If not the laws themselves, at least the people who risk their lives to protect us.
I find that odd coming from you
What are you implying? I respect the men in blue.
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I think this would be best discussed privately..