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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Martinus on March 09, 2001, 09:40:00 pm

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Martinus on March 09, 2001, 09:40:00 pm

This may sound like a silly idea but is it possible to edit a missile or bomb so that it doesn't require a lock to fire? (Helios for instance)

If you can do this would it mean that the missile or bomb would not be able to work in tracking mode as well as "free fire"?

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Setekh on March 09, 2001, 09:45:00 pm

Yes. There is a tag on large bombs called "No Dumbfire" that disallows firing if no aspect lock is acquired. Removing this tag allows the bomb to be fired without a lock.

Shivan bombs are identical to GTVA bombs (more or less), but the most notable difference is the absence of a "No Dumbfire" tag on them, meaning they can fire without achieving lock. So much for the use of EMP on enemy bombers to stop them firing their bombs.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Starwing on March 10, 2001, 07:20:00 am

You have to fire the EMP into the fired bombs. Their engines will fail and they will sit there until someone comes and kills them.

Oh, and there is another tag called "lockarm" that will make missiles fail to arm if fired without lock.

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Martinus on March 10, 2001, 11:11:00 am

Interesting stuff, I think I'll mess around and see what I can do. Thanks guys.

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Setekh on March 10, 2001, 05:40:00 pm

In the case of the weapons.tbl, there are lots and lots of tags you can play around with. The easiest way is to play around with existing properties and see what they do.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Shrike on March 10, 2001, 06:03:00 pm

Very true.....you can have lots of fun with it.

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Martinus on March 10, 2001, 10:04:00 pm

What, like have a pirana fire 12 piranas?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Setekh on March 11, 2001, 12:20:00 am

I'm sure it can be done.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Starwing on March 11, 2001, 08:44:00 am

I always wondered what would happen then...
1 Piranha fires 12, which fire again 12 each, which again fire 12 each... I don't really dare to try that out...

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2001, 04:19:00 pm

Sounds bad for the computer......

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Martinus on March 11, 2001, 05:41:00 pm

My thoughts exactly. It could destroy the Freespace universe!!  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Bushwacker on March 19, 2001, 04:28:00 pm

Ah, so we have the Chain Reaction Torpedo.  Stage 1 is a single Harbinger-looking missile, stage 2 is 2 piranhas and 3 infyrnos with long-range bomblets, stage 3 is the seeking submunitions from the piranhas and the bomblets from the infyrnos.  Loads and loads of fun to play with.  Just don't have a cluster bomb create more of its own kind, otherwise you'd have a very nasty chain reaction (We're talkin' el-smacketh-la-sathanas(eth)-la-hella(eth)-farreth-andeth-backeth...) that is provided your cpu doesn't scream in agony from a reduplicating fractal infinity complex (which is even more fun to play with..  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif))

[This message has been edited by Bushwacker (edited 03-19-2001).]

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Woomeister on March 19, 2001, 04:33:00 pm

I'll have to make one of these and attack the Sathanas with it  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Martinus on March 19, 2001, 05:48:00 pm

how about having it spawn 3 helios and three more piranhas?

[fears for possible implications]Could it spawn meson bombs perhaps?[/fears for possible implications]

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Setekh on March 20, 2001, 12:07:00 am

 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) @ all you guys  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Seriously though, the respawning thing has plenty of capabilities. If it can be manipulated by sexps, that would be even more cool.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Martinus on March 21, 2001, 07:10:00 pm

Just for sheer comedy value I tested the limits for this one...

I had a piranha spawn 3 piranhas, my computer hung after the fifth or sixth spawning   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Then I really went overboard and had a piranha spawn 50 (not messing here, it really does say 50) Helios torps.
I fired two at a sathanas at close range (note to self: have finger hovering over thrust button) and make a damn quick getaway, the light show was pretty incredible   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

You've probably guessed by now that I was (still am?) the type of kid who liked to play with matches  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

[This message has been edited by Maeglamor (edited 03-21-2001).]

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Setekh on March 22, 2001, 04:07:00 am

I don't know about you guys, but I spent a good whole hour playing around with SSM.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Title: Shooting from the hip
Post by: Sushi on March 22, 2001, 02:21:00 pm

Here's an idea- have a Helios spawn a single Helios, but make it's lifetime only about .05 seconds... See what happens.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

If I guess correctly, you will have one big moving shockwave.

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