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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hellstryker on August 29, 2008, 04:28:46 pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/rollins.palin/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
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yes i know before i even opened the link. a 43 year old woman from alaska, a leader of 9 thousand people and has had absolutely no foreign contact before.
strange decision indeed.
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Not at all. Shes a tool to draw in the thousands who voted for hillary :rolleyes:
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If you ask me, McCain would have won anyway, female vice president or not.
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i will never get the political points of this sort of stuff and i will not even pretend to know either. however as i know it, why select a woman from what is considered a backwater part of the united states for?
i see better senators within the hierarchy that have better credentials.. which is why i say its strange.
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i will never get the political points of this sort of stuff and i will not even pretend to know either. however as i know it, why select a woman from what is considered a backwater part of the united states for?
Because those who wanted Hillary Clinton to be President would now have another woman to vote for. Indirectly, of course, because they will vote for McCain, but they will vote for McCain because he's got a female VP.
[EDIT]Clarified.
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Even at the risk of turning nerd populace to vote McCain, I have to say this is pretty hilarious.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2808213597_d09b3bf54f.jpg)
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:lol:
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:wakka:
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Eh, let's mix it up a little bit:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/WMCoolmon/candidates.jpg)
Now show that image to 10 different people, and I guarantee that at least one of them will make the wrong choice.
Do it with 100 people, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it was McCain. I'd expect a few "That one. Wait, McCain was tortured. The one who's missing an eye."
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Obvious publicity stunt is obvious.
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Previously, on Battlestar America...
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Turns out that Palin is facing two ethics investigations in Alaska for abusing her power to pursue personal revenge:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/
Just imagine what she would do as vice president.
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Turns out that Palin is facing two ethics investigations in Alaska for abusing her power to pursue personal revenge:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/
Just imagine what she would do as vice president.
Wooten was, however, suspended for 10 days for shooting a moose and using the Taser on his stepson[...]
I think she made the right decision.
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Turns out that Palin is facing two ethics investigations in Alaska for abusing her power to pursue personal revenge:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26458400/
Just imagine what she would do as vice president.
She sounds like a female version of Dick Cheney... :nervous:
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Quote from: The Damned Article
Wooten was, however, suspended for 10 days for shooting a moose and using the Taser on his stepson[...]
I think she made the right decision.
Also from the damned article:
When she dismissed Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan on July 11, Palin said she wanted to take the commission in a new direction.
A week later, Monegan told NBC affiliate KTUU of Anchorage that he thought it was likely that he had been dismissed because he resisted pressure from Palin’s staff and husband to fire the trooper, who was involved in a bitter custody battle with the governor’s sister after their divorce in 2005.
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Even at the risk of turning nerd populace to vote McCain, I have to say this is pretty hilarious.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2808213597_d09b3bf54f.jpg)
Uncyclopedia compares the Pope to Palpatine. :nervous:
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palin is an awesome governor though. she supports resource development here which the hippies in washington wont let us do. she also got alaskans a $1200 energy reimbursment (im told they will be tacked to out pfds which are really big right now thanks to theoil price). also when juneau was on backup generators and the utility was trying to get the state to pay for repairs to the lines, and she said no, she also imposed a deadline which got us back on hydro power in less than a month. shes done a damn good job since shes been governor.
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Dear God, not only do we now know the Earth was desolated by Cylon skin-jobs, but we also know who the last Cylon was, and it was who we suspected all along!
;)
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are yousaying im a cylon? would explaing where i get my love for nuking planets :D
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I particularly like the strategy of trying to win Clinton supporters with a female candidate who is generally her ideological opposite, including being staunchly anti-abortion. I was really worried that the Republican party might do something that's insulting to women's intelligence, but at this point, I figure all they have to do is ask America's women to hurry up with the ****ing pot roast and they've got this locked up. I wonder if she'll show us her tits if McCain can get her drunk. Take that, glass ceiling!
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I particularly like the strategy of trying to win Clinton supporters with a female candidate who is generally her ideological opposite...
I particularly like the strategy of trying to convince everyone that getting former Clinton voters to swing to McCain being the reason he chose this candidate for VP and not a different one.
Perhaps it was to tackle the problem with Old Navy's age, as a much younger VP will have a clue of how E-Mails work, and possibly attract the voters that say a grandpa is too old for running a country.
Perhaps it was because McCain needs someone who's pro-drilling in Alaska for oil independancy, at least untill the US switches to other energy sources.
Maybe it's because she's a conservative.
Maybe because she doesn't believe in big government, which could attract libertarians to vote for McCain.
It could be a million reasons.
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il pretend i didnt see the last part of that message ford.. *shouts in an empty room* THATS DISGUSTING!.
im glad im living in israel far enough away from these strange skin jobs like nuke and flipside :lol:. i can only wonder what their objectives are... :D
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I particularly like the strategy of trying to convince everyone that getting former Clinton voters to swing to McCain being the reason he chose this candidate for VP and not a different one.
Perhaps it was to tackle the problem with Old Navy's age, as a much younger VP will have a clue of how E-Mails work, and possibly attract the voters that say a grandpa is too old for running a country.
Perhaps it was because McCain needs someone who's pro-drilling in Alaska for oil independancy, at least untill the US switches to other energy sources.
Maybe it's because she's a conservative.
Maybe because she doesn't believe in big government, which could attract libertarians to vote for McCain.
It could be a million reasons.
Except for the first item, those are simply requisites for even being considered to be McCain's running mate, and he passed up a lot of people with much longer résumés who met them. And forgive me if I find it difficult to believe that he would sacrifice so much footing on the experience issue just to put a young face on his campaign, especially when her acceptance speech was so directly aimed at women who wanted Clinton or no one.
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are yousaying im a cylon? would explaing where i get my love for nuking planets :D
Hey, at least Axem thinks that Cylon nukes are great terraforming tools. ;)
The vice-presidential candidates this year are pretty interesting too.
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Uncyclopedia compares the Pope to Palpatine. :nervous:
Such comparisons can be drawn about Palin. Look:
Palpatine.
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Even at the risk of turning nerd populace to vote McCain, I have to say this is pretty hilarious.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2808213597_d09b3bf54f.jpg)
:wakka: That's the greatest thing I've seen all day!
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This actually neatly helps to solve the Republican problem of proving they intend to institute meaningful changes, so it was fairly shrewd.
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This news is, not surprisingly, huge here in Alaska. She was also mayor of Wasilla a few years back (which also is the meth capital of the state.)
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When she dismissed Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan on July 11, Palin said she wanted to take the commission in a new direction.
A week later, Monegan told NBC affiliate KTUU of Anchorage that he thought it was likely that he had been dismissed because he resisted pressure from Palin’s staff and husband to fire the trooper, who was involved in a bitter custody battle with the governor’s sister after their divorce in 2005.
Point: the trooper threatened to kill a man, used a taser on his stepson, and broke the law.
Justification for firing him? Yes.
Coincidence his wife was the sister of the governor? Yes.
I'll wait until the investigation is over before jumping to power-abuse conspiracy theories.
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It was a genius choice on McCain's part, and it exploits Obama's biggest mistake so far: not selecting Hillary as his VP.
However, vice presidential choices actually have almost no impact on the outcome of the election, believe it or not.
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I think the reason why Obama didn't choose Hillary as VP is because they already have issues with each other during the start of the year, when both of them were campaigning to be the Democrats' candidate for president. They must definitely have known a lot about the other side during that campaign.
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i do not think that is it at all, as an outside looking in. i think this is that competitive streak where pride is put above the good of what right, imo mostly half or more of the american populace has been brought up to become ruthless and care for nothing but yourself and what you stand for, this i have seen before. obama wont take hilary for this reason, she will exploit everything obama does so she can grab power when the next election comes up they both know they dont care for one another. she knows she has womens rights under her arm and if she can get the rest and pull the carpet from underneath obama and take his senators, who have backed him in his party hilary will become the next president as long as she has done everything which the party asks her to broadcast. i also suspect this what i said is a political threat to office.
i think obama made the right choice giving the potential risk outweighing the potential profit and greater risk.
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i do not think that is it at all, as an outside looking in. i think this is that competitive streak where pride is put above the good of what right, imo mostly half or more of the american populace has been brought up to become ruthless and care for nothing but yourself and what you stand for, this i have seen before. obama wont take hilary for this reason, she will exploit everything obama does so she can grab power when the next election comes up they both know they dont care for one another. she knows she has womens rights under her arm and if she can get the rest and pull the carpet from underneath obama and take his senators, who have backed him in his party hilary will become the next president as long as she has done everything which the party asks her to broadcast. i also suspect this what i said is a political threat to office.
i think obama made the right choice giving the potential risk outweighing the potential profit and greater risk.
You have your points, Al, but I think Obama has even better reasons for his actions. He's definitely a lot smarter than I am. :D
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i said what i said if i was in barack obama's shoes through the limitations of what i perceive whats going on. and yes hes more smarter then you or i, he went to harvard law school or some place like that to study for his political degrees, find some substantial backing and a lot of talking that would make your throat dry up and close by the time he was finished :P.
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Just don't confuse inteligence and common sense... people do that too often these days
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liberals have had their heads up their ass for quite awhile now. thinking for them usually involves a bowel movement.
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That explains why I get a stomachache every morning. :lol:
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He picked a VP which is nothing but a purely political choice.
Palin has been a governor for a short time and a mayor before that. She has no federal experience, no foreign policy experience, and exemplifies every single one of the staunch conservative values (anti-abortion, anti-Science, pro-drilling, pro-2nd amendment). Frankly, her selection as VP running-mate is a disaster... perhaps not for McCain, as Americans don't tend to vote based on the abilities of their leaders so much as their promises, but certainly if the Republicans do get another Presidential term this woman has the potential to do even more damage to the USA's international reputation.
She's a terrible choice in all practical terms, and I sincerely hope this obviously political move doesn't pay off in the slightest.
There are far more qualified and far better balanced women he could have chosen. Frankly I'm somewhat surprised at a choice this poor.
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It's all the hot bottled water he had when he was a baby ;)
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So what you're trying to say, Ryan, is that he chose Palin because of Hillary Clinton?
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Must admit, it wouldn't say much for the Hilary Voters if they were voting for gender rather than policy. If someone is prepared to vote for an entirely different political stance just so that they could vote for a female then they either need to seriously check their political stance, or get laid.
Even most women's liberation representatives would think twice about that one, though, some of the more extreme ones would probably do it, but then you could use their bitterness to power a small country.
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I have read, though, that Palin might be able to help McCain in terms of energy if he wins.
And I agree with you, Flipside. When you vote for someone, you vote because you trust them and you are willing to stick to their ideals. If you vote for that person because of their physical appearance, you're just taking up space.
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yes i know before i even opened the link. a 43 year old woman from alaska, a leader of 9 thousand people and has had absolutely no foreign contact before.
strange decision indeed.
i will never get the political points of this sort of stuff and i will not even pretend to know either. however as i know it, why select a woman from what is considered a backwater part of the united states for?
i see better senators within the hierarchy that have better credentials.. which is why i say its strange.
He picked a VP which is nothing but a purely political choice.
Palin has been a governor for a short time and a mayor before that. She has no federal experience, no foreign policy experience, and exemplifies every single one of the staunch conservative values (anti-abortion, anti-Science, pro-drilling, pro-2nd amendment). Frankly, her selection as VP running-mate is a disaster... perhaps not for McCain, as Americans don't tend to vote based on the abilities of their leaders so much as their promises, but certainly if the Republicans do get another Presidential term this woman has the potential to do even more damage to the USA's international reputation.
She's a terrible choice in all practical terms, and I sincerely hope this obviously political move doesn't pay off in the slightest.
There are far more qualified and far better balanced women he could have chosen. Frankly I'm somewhat surprised at a choice this poor.
exactly what i said on the first page.
as for basing it on physical appearance, its more like womens rights, equal pay, more women become bosses of more important companies and so on, women dont want to become sex objects to men like for example scantily clad women having their pictures taken for money, which seems to be the only profession where women have better pay then the men and only because the men like what they see from model to model and day to day.
i think hilary is trying to make sure women dont get sold short because men have the better of all sides, and on one issue, remember guys we got bought into the world by a woman and we wouldn't be here if it wasnt for the woman who had to endure so much and men are the ones getting it easy everytime. however its entirely up to you what you decide.
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I'm in favour of women's rights, no doubt, but I refuse, outright, to apologise for the society that created a need for it, even tribes in the Amazon use a system where the Men hunt and the Women gather vegetables and cook, not because of chauvinism, but because it's the sensible thing to do, men are physically designed to hunt, women are not, it's not something to get angry about, I'm not designed to breastfeed, if they want to get pissed off at several million years of evolution, then it's up to them.
The problem in places like the US and other more developed countries is that nobody does the hunting anymore, nobody gathers vegetables any more either. I refuse to be 'grateful' to my mother for giving birth to me just as I refuse to be happy that my Dad got her pregnant in the first place, yes, I'm glad I'm alive, but my parents weren't having sex as a favour to me.
What is often known as "Women's Lib' in the West is really trying to erase a meme that has worked for civilisation for tens of thousands of years, I support it, but it's not going to be easy to shake, and pointing the finger at men as though they should be begging for an apology for doing something that worked (and, in many cases was the only way it could work, is going to slow it down, not speed it up.
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as you wish, however from my point of view looking over both sides of the issue, i think some would consider that an ignorant attitude. and it could be said that, that its not if you think it is right to think your parents did it to you as a favor, but to themselves, to have offspring that would continue the family tree more progeny through their sons and daughters. unfortunately you have no right to blame women for who and what they are, and its not their fault they have to grow you inside the womb and give birth. and your cant complain at such a thing because you i assume are a man, so you can not speak for what it is like, neither can i. begging to apoligies to women? its up to you, but their is another way, to thank them.
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Then if they did it to please themselves, then it was their decision, why should I be thanking them for it? I have a lot of reasons to care about my parents, but the fact they perform the same genetic function as any other human isn't one of them, I'd rather care for them because of who they are than what they did.
I love my parents, and I am grateful to them for raising and protecting me when I was a child, but it was always a responsibility they chose, I didn't force it on them, my own Mother taught me that someone who tries to use emotional blackmail to get them to love you ("You should be grateful, you owe your entire existence to us") then it's probably not Love they are after, it's control.
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as for basing it on physical appearance, its more like womens rights, [SNIP]
I know English probably isn't your first language Al Tarket so it's understandable but you seem to have completely missed the point that Flipside was making. No one was saying women's lib was wrong. What everyone was saying is that you can't say "I'll vote for Hillary Clinton for president cause I like her policies" and then when she failed to win the nomination say "I'll vote for Palin cause I like her policies".
Both have completely different policies so anyone who switches to John McCain simply because of his choice of running mate is quite clearing saying "I'm voting for a woman, Any woman. I don't give a **** what she actually stands for as long as she has the right genitals!"
And that is an incredibly stupid and sexist position to take.
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I suppose there are two kinds of 'womens lib' advocates, those that are out for change, and those that are out for some perverted view of 'justice', at the risk of lighting a few fires, it's similar to the slavery debate. I'm in favour of change, but 'justice' is in the eye of the beholder.
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Everyone has their own idea of freedom as well. School rules originally came about to ensure the freedom of the masses, although most students view is a restriction.
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He picked a VP which is nothing but a purely political choice.
Palin has been a governor for a short time and a mayor before that. She has no federal experience, no foreign policy experience, and exemplifies every single one of the staunch conservative values (anti-abortion, anti-Science, pro-drilling, pro-2nd amendment). Frankly, her selection as VP running-mate is a disaster... perhaps not for McCain, as Americans don't tend to vote based on the abilities of their leaders so much as their promises, but certainly if the Republicans do get another Presidential term this woman has the potential to do even more damage to the USA's international reputation.
She's a terrible choice in all practical terms, and I sincerely hope this obviously political move doesn't pay off in the slightest.
There are far more qualified and far better balanced women he could have chosen. Frankly I'm somewhat surprised at a choice this poor.
Practically, sure, it's an awful choice.
Politically, though, it's a great choice, a masterstroke. Because, really, people don't care about the practical side.
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I wonder how long she will remain. She has her uses in the elections, but what happens after that?
I believe she will remain in the background, and abdicate. Or become very unpopular, and abdicate.
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I wonder how long she will remain. She has her uses in the elections, but what happens after that?
I believe she will remain in the background, and abdicate. Or become very unpopular, and abdicate.
Or people act as if they were neuralised and nothing happened... :drevil:
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or palin could become even more popular, and actually be the vp which she has been chosen for that only if mccain becomes president.
however mccain is walking a thin line in that respect.
as for karajorma: perhaps you are right about the english barrier. i was just wondering why flipside was so resistant to acknowledging that his mother is equal to him in any work place. sorry flipside if i cause any offense.
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No offence taken whatsoever, I suppose my position is that, as much as I love my Mum, she's earned that respect on a very personal level, not by giving birth to me, but by being my Mother. In a workplace, I'm the same, it's not that I don't believe women can't do the same job as me, but because I try to judge people by the respect they earn from me, not from any particular part of their nature, such as gender, race or religion :)
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I wonder how long she will remain. She has her uses in the elections, but what happens after that?
I believe she will remain in the background, and abdicate. Or become very unpopular, and abdicate.
The entire constitutional role of the vice-president is essentially to assume the presidency in the case of the president dying or becoming incapacitated. (Well, that and acting as president of the Senate, but that's just a tiebreaker role, really.) That's it. There'd be no political reason for her to resign in any sense, unless she happened to pull something impeachment-worthy at some point. And she's not really so useless as you might expect; the fact that she's a known reformer and has an intimate knowledge of the energy industry is quite useful to the platform that McCain is running on.
And as sexist and idiotic a position as it is, I get the impression from many quotes I've seen that there are a decent number of female voters out there who were supporting Hillary for the sole reason that she happened to be born with a particular set of gonads. McCain was well-aware of this when he made his choice, I'm sure.
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I don't doubt it. Same as there were people willing to vote for Tony Blair cause he looked prime ministerial in a suit.
These people are idiots. And their vote has exactly the same value as yours. :p
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Don't you love democracy/republicanism? :p
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I get the impression from many quotes I've seen that there are a decent number of female voters out there who were supporting Hillary for the sole reason that she happened to be born with a particular set of gonads.
This sentence officially makes you a cool person. :yes:
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If I had known it was that easy, I'd have said it years ago. :p
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so its come down to being a model, runs skin deep and very hollow despite what their views are, then its good i never voted on that election thread for outsiders of the usa.
it seems its going that way, Arnold Schwarzenegger was a former male model turned governor, Gemma Garret still a female model and is working on becoming a councilor in her part of the united kingdom. i am sure their will be more of this heading our way in a few years from now.
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Wait, where did anyone say that?
They're talking about gender, not looks.
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if you say so General Battuta. people talking about whos got what giblets i think sounds like a look thing. unless i am missing the point again.
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We're talking purely about gender, not looks.
'Having boobs' means female, no statement on the quality of those boobs.
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We're talking purely about gender, not looks.
'Having boobs' means female, no statement on the quality of those boobs.
What about man boobs? :nervous:
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Palin is a relatively young, attractive woman, but I sincerely doubt that such qualities would be of much benefit to her political career. They might win her a tiny percentage of the hooligan vote, but for a lot of people it’d only undermine her credibility. (Look! She’s pretty! She was a pageant queen! She can’t possibly have a brain in that cute little head! /sarcasm)
What McCain is hoping for is that women will identify with a female candidate – that they voted for Clinton because she’s female, not because she’s progressive and has appealing stances on issues that are relevant to their lives. He thinks that they’ll look at Palin and say “Look, a woman in power! She must be just like me!” instead of taking a serious look at her politics.
If it’s really the bits that make the candidate, then we’d all be just as happy to vote for Ann Coulter. Nice try, McCain, but I’m not fooled.
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If it’s really the bits that make the candidate, then we’d all be just as happy to vote for Ann Coulter. Nice try, McCain, but I’m not fooled.
Ann Coulter doesn't have female genitals. She had them surgically removed when they removed her heart and soul. :p
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If it’s really the bits that make the candidate, then we’d all be just as happy to vote for Ann Coulter. Nice try, McCain, but I’m not fooled.
Ann Coulter doesn't have female genitals. She had them surgically removed when they removed her heart and soul. :p
*dies laughing*
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If it’s really the bits that make the candidate, then we’d all be just as happy to vote for Ann Coulter. Nice try, McCain, but I’m not fooled.
Ann Coulter doesn't have female genitals. She had them surgically removed when they removed her heart and soul. :p
You mean her heart. She never had a soul.
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And the plot thickens... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7593735.stm)
According to America's leading health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): "About one-third of girls in the United States get pregnant before age 20."
:wtf: / :eek2:
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Bristol Palin's pregnancy was announced on Monday
Governor Palin herself has said she opposes funding sexual-education programmes in Alaska and has supported abstinence programmes in schools.
Karma's a *****. :p
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Well, there's not much else to do in Alaska anyways, is there? :p Persistence pays off, even if you do use a rubber each time...
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If people can get pregnant with a .0001% chance of success, I should be able to get a freaking Broken Antenna (http://www.reknuge.net/peb/earthbound/guides/rareitems.php).
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more like 3%
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Is broken antenna slang?
Also earlier gonads were mentioned. Gonads are testes. Women can't have em :p
I've gotta be honest i've never really heard the co-pilot when taking a flight so i never thought about em driving. /Mystic metaphor/
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High school biology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonad) is fun! :p
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Looks like the media is scrutinising Sarah Palin's family background.
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The Palin family mess has little place in politics but for three things:
1. The automatic announcement she's keeping the child.
2. The fact that mom is perfectly happy having her 17-year old daughter marry the 18-year old father.
3. Palin's support of abstinence-only sex ed.
This just reeks of someone whose social agenda in office will be to entirely destroy modern sex education in the United States, which has already taken some really nasty hits under Bush. Much as I disagree with bringing the family life of a candidate into politics, this is one case where it is quite relevant.
And WTF is with these bass-ackwards Republicans believing abstinence-only sex education is a good thing? Studies show constantly that rates of teen pregnancy and sexual transmitted disease are LOWER in kids who have actually received meaningful sex ed.
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Yep, you've basically summed up why it is relevant. My opinion on the private lives of politicians is that it is no business of the general public unless they are publicly denouncing something they are doing in public.
Palin is advocating abstinence only sex-ed yet couldn't even get her own daughter to abstain. No doubt she plans to blame the school for that.
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Yep, you've basically summed up why it is relevant. My opinion on the private lives of politicians is that it is no business of the general public unless they are publicly denouncing something they are doing in public.
Palin is advocating abstinence only sex-ed yet couldn't even get her own daughter to abstain. No doubt she plans to blame the school for that.
Allegedly, she has a history of attempting to suppress Media that doesn't appeal to her own personal tastes. But now she's a VP Candidate, all the dirts going to be dug up, so expect several cases of things blown out of proportion.
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sex education is important however it does not matter anyhow, in todays standards women are young more pretty and the men dont want to loose the moment that could change in an instant especially in a relationship. i do not see why young people make a big fuss about the whole issue for, and the older people should know better then to get in the way of a natural urge that can not be ignored no matter how many rules you have.
it would be very dumb of sarah palin to suppress the media, if what they say is true about the American press that they are persistent, rude and uncompromising, they will persist in making sure they get their voice heard, despite sarah palin being very annoyed. however that mccain fellow should keep an eye on her, if she is what i expect her to be. a mad woman on the loose with power to kill the united states Christianity religion off who have their respect within the sex department without a problem.
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sex education is important however it does not matter anyhow, in todays standards women are young more pretty and the men dont want to loose the moment that could change in an instant especially in a relationship. i do not see why young people make a big fuss about the whole issue for, and the older people should know better then to get in the way of a natural urge that can not be ignored no matter how many rules you have.
Sex education is tremendously important. It prevents teen pregnancies and helps control the spread of STIs like AIDS.
Furthermore, I'm pretty sure young women are just as horny as young men.
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The way I see it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards#Extramarital_affair
Mr Edwards, who was caught by the media having an affair not too long ago, tried to deny everything. When the media found that his other chick had a baby just after the affair, he denied that it was his. He even offered to take a DNA test, but his g/f responded that she would not be party to a DNA test "now or in the future.", so they're hiding something. Either the fact he's daddy, or the fact she was sleeping with 2 or more people in late 2007.
Now let's look at Mrs's Palin's case- she's anti abortion, and it turns out she'll face problems, rather than deny them and hope they might go away. She never tried to deny that her daughter is pregnant, she never made her do a quiet abortion. The guy who's marrying her is confirming he's the father by the wedding (perhaps he did it to make this a guarantee he'll be related to a wealthy family, who knows). Also the young future parents will raise the child, and take the responsibility for doing it.
The way I see it, Palin didn't have much of a choice, a lot of teenagers have kids, whether wanted or not. It's the way you take life's challenges that matters here and Palin wins against Edwards.
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They recently discovered (can't be bothered to find the BBC article, but it was there last month) that the rate of AIDS in the United States is around 50% higher than previously thought. A pregnancy can completely ruin the prospects of your average teen...
And sex ed isn't important?
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Now let's look at Mrs's Palin's case- she's anti abortion, and it turns out she'll face problems, rather than deny them and hope they might go away. She never tried to deny that her daughter is pregnant, she never made her do a quiet abortion. The guy who's marrying her is confirming he's the father by the wedding (perhaps he did it to make this a guarantee he'll be related to a wealthy family, who knows). Also the young future parents will raise the child, and take the responsibility for doing it.
The way I see it, Palin didn't have much of a choice, a lot of teenagers have kids, whether wanted or not. It's the way you take life's challenges that matters here and Palin wins against Edwards.
Pity she's not running against Edwards then. :p
Seriously though, why should any American trust someone who believes that abstinence is a great preventative of teenage pregnancy when this is contradicted by not only all the scientific literature on the subject but her own personal experience?
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I'd trust her in that, if her kid had just listened, she never would have wound up in that situation in the first place. Not her mom's fault that she fell asleep during that particular class. :p
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They recently discovered (can't be bothered to find the BBC article, but it was there last month) that the rate of AIDS in the United States is around 50% higher than previously thought. A pregnancy can completely ruin the prospects of your average teen...
And sex ed isn't important?
no, its not because we are born with that genetic info into our dna, which means being tought it in school is just a supplementary to what you have found out yourself when you reach teenage years before you get taught it in schools, you know it and i know it. Its happens when we become attracted to the opposite sex that our gentials have a mind of their own as a man checking out a woman. im not sure how it goes for woman, however thats all the proof thats needed, the rest tends to itself in due course through flirting and friendships etc.
50% more aids so how is this possible? could we be looking at another africa?
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Sex-ed is there to correct a whole bunch of misconceptions that spring up from exactly the kind of "picking it up" approach you are advocating. If you leave it to "picking it up" you end up with a whole generation believing you can't get pregnant if you **** on the girls period or if she goes on top or if she jumps up and down after sex.
Or did you believe sex ed was about teaching people how to ****? Cause I know that a lot of people think that Americans are stupid but I'd never met anyone who thought they were that stupid. :p
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Seriously though, why should any American trust someone who believes that [teaching] abstinence is a great preventative of teenage pregnancy when this is contradicted by not only all the scientific literature on the subject but her own personal experience?
Fixed, for great justice.
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Fair point. :p
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Now let's look at Mrs's Palin's case- she's anti abortion, and it turns out she'll face problems, rather than deny them and hope they might go away. She never tried to deny that her daughter is pregnant, she never made her do a quiet abortion. The guy who's marrying her is confirming he's the father by the wedding (perhaps he did it to make this a guarantee he'll be related to a wealthy family, who knows). Also the young future parents will raise the child, and take the responsibility for doing it.
It's hard to deny that someone is pregnant. These things tend to show, on most women anyway.
As for the guy "confirming it" - he's doing no such thing. Unless they've done a DNA test, he has no way of knowing if it was him or somebody else she was sleeping with. Men do not, insofar as I know, have any kind of 100% detector on whether a baby is theirs or not while it's still inside another person. :p
Finally, of course the guy's marrying her. Her mother is the Republican Vice Presidential candidate, and he probably knew the girl for a long time before now. Her daughter's obviously well off and he's going to have a lot of opportunities to do things that nobody else does over the course of the election. Even if he couldn't stand her, he'd have a good enough reason to marry her. That, and, running away from your commitments when they get (inter)national attention is not going to go over well with the girls.
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Sex-ed is there to correct a whole bunch of misconceptions that spring up from exactly the kind of "picking it up" approach you are advocating. If you leave it to "picking it up" you end up with a whole generation believing you can't get pregnant if you **** on the girls period or if she goes on top or if she jumps up and down after sex.
Or did you believe sex ed was about teaching people how to ****? Cause I know that a lot of people think that Americans are stupid but I'd never met anyone who thought they were that stupid. :p
In grade school, we thought that sex ed was all about getting the slightly creepy guy who came in to teach it to us to say "butt ****" out loud. :p
And I never said that I thought using a completely strict abstinence-only, never-mention-birth-control approach was a particularly wise move. But I also believe that the other extreme I've seen practiced, i.e. throwing out free condoms and lube like candy without ever delving into the emotional ramifications of sex, is equally unwise. (Seriously, my best friend in college had to personally refuse practicing putting a condom on a banana back in middle school.) It kind of becomes a sticky issue (ha) for me personally, since I'm against artificial birth control from a moral standpoint, but I'm also well-aware that you're not going to be able to magically stop teens from having sex just by wishing so. I do, however, believe that kids are capable of being a lot more responsible than many would give them credit for, and I feel like the automatic assumption that they're going to be screwing like rabbits is a rather insulting one. I don't really have an answer for what the proper way to go about teaching sex ed is, since the only personal experience I have to go on is based on a few generally hands-off sessions back in Catholic middle-school. It's really much ado about the most primal of acts.
Then again, maybe what they should really be telling kids is, "Sex can wait...masturbate!" :p
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or at least invent a semi-decent blowjob machine :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiD1X8baE9Q
god damn she p3wn5
the problem with the whole sex ed thing is it fails to recognize an important fact. the youth of america have not always been absolute ****ing whores. i blame pop culture. they need to stop selling sex to kids. its the new camel joe. teens are so encouraged by our society to ****. you got barely dressed pop stars, singing in a way that sounds like a ****ing orgasm, and barely waring a thing, and dancing in a way that would be expected in a strip club, not in a music group targeted at 12 year olds. its just ****ing sick. rap music does the same thing for teen drug use, rudeness, and general criminal behavior. thats where the problem lies, not in any form of sex ed which i think is up to the parents, not the government. and i sure as hell dont want to pay for it.
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... this coming from the hardcore "I want to burn churches and hope the world nukes itself" Alaskan (soon to be Phoenician) metalhead troll?
Also: agree.
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I the "I hope one day all religion is discarded as the useless anchor on humanity that it is" Libertarian Atheist, concur with my mass destructive friend.
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And I never said that I thought using a completely strict abstinence-only, never-mention-birth-control approach was a particularly wise move. But I also believe that the other extreme I've seen practiced, i.e. throwing out free condoms and lube like candy without ever delving into the emotional ramifications of sex, is equally unwise.
If you're seeing that then you're still seeing bad sex ed. Good sex ed should be pushing abstinence. It shouldn't be pushing abstinence ONLY.
Let me put it this way. In Palin's case you have an 18 year old and a 17 year old getting married. She still has 20 years left on her biological clock. Do you seriously think that having her leave school and get married with no idea how to prevent herself from having a child every year beyond not ****ing is a good idea?
Sex ed isn't just about stopping teenage pregnancies (although that is a part of it). It's supposed to last you the rest of your life. This foolish preoccupation on children having sex is resulting in a generation of people in their 20s and 30s who even when married still don't have much of a clue where babies come from. Yes once you've had your first unplanned child you might look up that information but surely it's smarter to not get to that stage in the first place. Even the Catholic Church is pro-birth control as long as the Rhythm Method is the version used. Some abstinence only sex ed classes don't even teach that.
Yes there are people who will get off their butts and find out the information themselves but they are usually the ones who need sex ed the least! The ones who need it end up with six children not through choice but cause they don't seem to be able to figure out how to stop it happening.
I do, however, believe that kids are capable of being a lot more responsible than many would give them credit for, and I feel like the automatic assumption that they're going to be screwing like rabbits is a rather insulting one.
I tend to agree actually. Not all kids will be. But unless you segregate the ****ers and non-****ers (which all the social problems that's going to cause) the only sensible approach is to teach everyone in the hope of the message sinking in for those who will listen and will actually take something away from it.
Besides as I said before sex ed isn't just about teenage sex (or shouldn't be at least).
Then again, maybe what they should really be telling kids is, "Sex can wait...masturbate!" :p
Like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwpqJ_ntRSU&feature=related)?
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Wouldn't too much masturbation damage reproductive organs? :confused:
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Yeah, that'll do nicely. :lol:
And no, I don't really think that her situation is a good one at all, although I do respect both of them for taking on the responsibility of raising the kid. There is something staggering to me about couples that can't afford to raise even one child pumping out five or six, considering that "sperm meets egg" was something we were taught back in grade school. The point about sex ed being good for a lifetime (or at least until she hits menopause) is a good one, too. I suppose what would make the most sense to me, and trying to keep at least some of my personal beliefs out of it, would be the sort of program that pushes hard against sex until both parties understand all of the potential consequences of the act and doesn't ignore the fact that ways to counteract pregnancy exist. (I honestly wasn't even thinking of the rhythm method as a form of birth control when I made that first post, since I'm so used to hearing the term applied only to rubbers and drugs. :p) You're always going to have idiots managing to knock each other up, but hopefully you're able to minimize it as much as possible.
Edit: Not if you don't ignore the "holy crap my skin is chafing time to stop" signals your body sends you. :p
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Wouldn't too much masturbation damage reproductive organs? :confused:
And here is an example of the danger of a lack of sex ed. :p
It won't make you go blind or give you hairy palms, either you know. :p
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Completely unrelated note: Nike should make condoms.
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Ignorance is bliss. :D
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There is something staggering to me about couples that can't afford to raise even one child pumping out five or six, considering that "sperm meets egg" was something we were taught back in grade school.
When all you've been taught to stop sperm meeting egg is "Don't **** until you're married" you're not going to have much of a clue how to prevent it once you are. :)
I suppose what would make the most sense to me, and trying to keep at least some of my personal beliefs out of it, would be the sort of program that pushes hard against sex until both parties understand all of the potential consequences of the act and doesn't ignore the fact that ways to counteract pregnancy exist.
You've basically described the kind of good sex ed that I've been pushing for. I never felt that the sex ed I got in school was good enough but it was still a lot better than most. It dispelled some of the big myths that you hear as a kid (Personally I find it hard to believe that anyone credits the "You can't get pregnant if you jump up and down after sex" one but some of the other ones are plausible) and it covered all the major methods of birth control, including the Rhythm Method (In fact they were quite careful to point out that Catholics could use it).
What I felt was somewhat lacking was the focus on waiting until both parties knew the implications of sex. It was covered but it was in a rather wishy-washy, "Don't want the parents coming down to have a chat with us" way. That bit could use a lot of improvement. Still it was a lot better than abstinence-only methods.
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A lot of people really don't appreciate how truly ignorant everyone is about sex. Never has so many known so little about something so important. Well, maybe not never, but you get the idea.
At my own school, the sex ed. was pretty abysmal, in that there was practically none that I can recall. And for a teenage boy to not recall sex ed. must mean there either wasn't any, or I was sick that day. Hell, here I am, 21 years old, and I still admit to knowing damn little about what goes on down there. I know enough to get by without knocking up my girlfriend, but I feel that my school really dropped the ball in that regard, and i'm lucky to have dodged the bullet and not done something stupid when I was younger. Honestly, the idea that not only are there people more ignorant than I, but that there are federal organisations encouraging ignorance is truly, truly scary.
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
Ignorance is bliss. :D
Actually, the other thing is bliss. Ignorance comes a distant second.
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When all you've been taught to stop sperm meeting egg is "Don't **** until you're married" you're not going to have much of a clue how to prevent it once you are. :)
Or perhaps they can see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHMp9ppcFg4). ;)
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Reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FJGno9V1s0).
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Wouldn't too much masturbation damage reproductive organs? :confused:
And here is an example of the danger of a lack of sex ed. :p
It won't make you go blind or give you hairy palms, either you know. :p
Damn, you beat me to it :P
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Wouldn't too much masturbation damage reproductive organs? :confused:
And here is an example of the danger of a lack of sex ed. :p
It won't make you go blind or give you hairy palms, either you know. :p
Damn, you beat me to it :P
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