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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fenrir on September 02, 2008, 02:44:32 pm
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http://www.google.com/chrome
It's pretty basic, but boy, it's fast.
PS: Only the Windows version is out for now. Other OS versions to come out whenever.
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It's open source opera (http://mjrx.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/introducing-opera-10-ahem-i-mean-google-chrome/). Basically every feature they describe is in opera.
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Well Opera weren't doing it so **** them. :p
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Using chrome right now. It is pretty spartan, but it really is very fast.
I hate Opera's UI, frankly but I'm liking Chrome so far.
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Given the fact that everything else Google makes reports back to the mothership have Google actually said that their browser doesn't send details of your surfing habits back to them?
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Firefox already does that IIRC
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Firefox already does that IIRC
Source?
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I'm pretty excited about Chrome, and no I actually don't give a damn as to which browser is the best: I'm a conservative user, I like my UI and features and you'll pry them from my cold dead hands...
...but I like to upgrade as long as I don't have to relearn everything just for the sake of reinventing the wheel.
But in this case, what really got me interested is under the hood: the V8 virtual machine to run JS; the Sandboxing of tabs etc. etc.
I will still use firefox - but eagerly await when these technologies come to my platform...or hell, I could try out Chrome as well. If the UI grows on me I will switch (but God help them if I can't import my 500 bookmarks!)
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I'm trying it out as it goes, it's pretty minimalist, but when you learn the few keyboard shortcuts to access favourites etc. I kinda like it.
(Psst, ps you can also browse cached pages from google if a page fails, it's like googles backing up the whole internet..)
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I really, really like it. I've been collecting a small armada of web apps using Mozilla Prism (which was nice), but this basically has the same feature built-in, and much faster, too.
Additionally, I have 2 main Firefox profiles I use - one (Personal) with personal bookmarks and fun extensions, and another (Work) with clientelle bookmarks and web dev extensions. Both those profiles load relatively slowly. My default web browser, when a URL shortut is opened, has been another Firefox profile, this one without hardly any extensions, and with no history tracking, cookie saving, etc - a guest browser, if you will. It's been fine for that purpose, but Google Chrome has just replaced it as my computer's default browser.
Only major nitpick I have so far is that GridMove (http://jgpaiva.donationcoders.com/gridmove.html) - a mandatory app for anyone with a large monitor - doesn't seem to pick up on Chrome being a window. :-/
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Gridmove?
I got no clue how big my screen is but i'd guess 22+ inches and i don't have trouble :nervous:
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If you ever wanted to be able to easily position two or more windows side-by-side, so you can work on them simultaneously, check GridMove out.
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I've been using Chrome for an hour and so far I am very impressed. I think Chrome will be my default browser from now on.
Chrome is fast as hell. It isn't bloated and memory management with lots of tabs open seems to surpass Firefox 3, not to mention each tab is its own process. Sucky website won't bring down the whole browser, only the tab. Chrome's new javascript engine is running circles around Firefox 3, it's that fast.
Chrome really brings back memories from the pre-1.0 Firefox days. Back then Firefox was no-frills basic, lean and fast browser. Unlike today. I don't use Firefox extensions anyway so I don't have any trouble switching to Chrome. Even though this is the first public beta of Chrome, so far everything seems to work and I'm not really missing any features. Although especially those who are used to using Firefox extensions will find Chrome's features lacking.
I like the fact that Chrome uses WebKit and not Mozilla's Gecko. Safari, Konqueror and soon Epiphany uses WebKit too. Chrome should finally give an incentive for those bloody windows-only website designers to make their website better standards compliant, instead of "IE-compatible" and more or less Gecko compatible since Firefox has a large market share these days. Not even Safari could accomplish that with its Windows-port. Well, IE8 should also help in that regard anyway.
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If it uses the same rendering engine as Konq, will someone please explain to me why Gmail is so buggy in Konq and not Chrome? :p
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My guess would be that Google tweaked the engine to work perfectly with their web applications, obviously. I don't think it will take long for those changes to merge into upstream WebKit and into browsers that use the engine. Another possibility is that those differences in rendering is caused by Chrome's V8 javascript engine, so far it is only used in Chrome.
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It is fast :yes:
But, I've found the UI is way too minimalist and the zoomer half works (only on text) :no:
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People who posted a reply using Chrome, Google now owns (http://tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Post_Not_Made_In_Chrome_Google_s_EULA_Sucks) your post!
11. Content license from you
11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.
11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.
11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.
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In practice those license agreement statements are used to collect statistics and other data and then display the collected data under Google's trademarks and copyrights. Should Google somehow gain interest in acquiring rights to any content sent through Chrome, it wouldn't hold in courts. While wording is different, you'll find similar statements in many other eulas.
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Read the link and then tell that with a straight face.
Example from the link I posted
There are some people who have claimed that this is standard legal jargon for every piece of software. Not only is that simply not true, no clause even close to that is in the Firefox terms of service.
Last time when Microsoft tried to do this with MSN, everyone on the net pretty much revolted, but since it's Google the internet's pretty child, everyone is ok with it.
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Thanks to the revolting ones such eulas will get corrected sooner or later. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying perfectly fine browser. :D I'm not paranoid enough to get myself worried over such trivialities in eulas.
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google has been getting bloodied lately, people are starting to see them as a company and not as a altruistic internet being. it started with google video/acquisition of youtube.
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Chrome's been my default browser for a bit under a day now and I'm really liking it. Aside from the speed and stability, the interface has me impressed. Very pleasant and minimalist.
I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of smooth scrolling and middle-click scroll, but it's early days yet.
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This looks interesting, but I'll need to see some equivalent of Adblock before I consider switching.
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I'll need to see some reason of switching over to it before I even consider looking at it.
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Thats like saying you'll never try a Mars Bar because Cadburys galaxy is fine......
Give it a try :nod: :p
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I'll need to see some reason of switching over to it before I even consider looking at it.
It's a long ad more than anything but still gets the facts down about Chrome:
http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/
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A multiple PID browser? That's interesting. However, with that many processes and renderers open (I often have at least 10 tabs open in FF), it can't be good for GDI resources.
What scares me though is that they advocate JavaScript of all things.
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I spent about 5 minutes with chrome, and it was alright, but there's nothing compelling about switching from firefox. and i told them so when it opened IE (grumbles i hate when they do that!) to give me a survey of what i disliked. and i found out about the EULA after i dumped it, so now i like it even less.
I really hate this "oh google is so nice" attitude people have. Google runs a large percentage of the advertising on the internet, they're programs have such un interesting and counter intuitive interfaces (from my point of view, it suits some.) . i have gmail, but never use it. my MS Live mail blends seamlessly with msn, and the interface is nice. if someone had a nice open source software that gave me the same level of sophistication then i'd be all for it. Google makes claims at this, but i don't believe them any more i believe in microsoft, and their motto "Don't be evil" is so untrue its laughable. I do hope that Firefox gets the separate processes and other security ideas and puts them into FF4 or what not, but leave the interface behind.
This chrome is none too shiny at all!
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I really do find that Chrome is loading some web pages in a third of the time it takes Konqueror and Firefox.
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Bleh chrome. I'll stick with my firefox and opera, or konqueror if it gets better than the one in kde3.
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What scares me though is that they advocate JavaScript of all things.
Yeah, that bothered me too. They're not joking about how much faster they've made it, though.
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I'll second that.
I'm using it right now, and I love it.
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And they've modified part of the EULA now so that it's a little less crazy.
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Google provides funds for Mozilla.
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Given the fact that everything else Google makes reports back to the mothership have Google actually said that their browser doesn't send details of your surfing habits back to them?
No, they don't because chrome actually does forward your browsing data or at least some of it to google. To quote from their own privacy policy:
You do not need to provide any personally identifying information in order to download and use Google Chrome. When you download Google Chrome or use it to contact Google’s servers, Google receives only standard log information including your machine’s IP address and one or more cookies. You can configure Google Chrome to not send cookies to Google or other sites as explained here.
To my knowledge, the chrome transmits at least your IP address, some cookies and something that looks like a GUID or something, and of cause, despite the ability to turn that off, it's enabled by default.
About my personal browsing experience I can say little because google hasn't released a Linux build yet. I wouldn't predict it a bright future in Linux anyways simply because of the fact that google is a data monger and its company slogan "Don't be evil!" doesn't really apply any more.
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Why not a linux build? They eventually provided a linux build of other stuff like google earth.
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It is coming for linux and os x later.
http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html
http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/mac.html
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They're working on it
EDIT:
Fury's faster
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... and that is exactly the reason why I used the term "hasn't been released yet" ;)
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I noticed Chrome has an inbuilt auto spell-checker. My words keep turning up Red when i type froop or squkkle or other bizzareness.......
COOL :yes:
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Thanks to the revolting ones such eulas will get corrected sooner or later. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying perfectly fine browser. :D I'm not paranoid enough to get myself worried over such trivialities in eulas.
Hey, now, trivialities in EULAs are why people like me have the full version of FS2! :D
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i give props to google for comming up with the lamest excuse for a crappy EULA
Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, told http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html) that it's actually an oopsie from basically copying and pasting the same EULA it uses in other products, and that they're updating it as fast as they can to remove the ridiculous terms.
http://gizmodo.com/5045050/google-updating-chrome-eula-to-be-less-creepy (http://gizmodo.com/5045050/google-updating-chrome-eula-to-be-less-creepy)
thats funny.
I still don't like the design of it.... Way to minimalist.
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i give props to google for comming up with the lamest excuse for a crappy EULA
Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, told http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html) that it's actually an oopsie from basically copying and pasting the same EULA it uses in other products, and that they're updating it as fast as they can to remove the ridiculous terms.
http://gizmodo.com/5045050/google-updating-chrome-eula-to-be-less-creepy (http://gizmodo.com/5045050/google-updating-chrome-eula-to-be-less-creepy)
thats funny.
I still don't like the design of it.... Way to minimalist.
Agreed... I ended up uninstalling it.
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Wow! Great to know that Google cares so much about the terms it's asking its users to agree to.
Though to be fair, they are being a lot more responsive than many other companies, and at least they are actually changing it. That they didn't even care to check the license agreement or have somebody looking over it to make sure that it said what they thought it did is a bit disturbing to me. If it's something that they plan on being legally binding to millions of people, they ought to do a damn good job on it.
Of course what'd be even more disturbing is if somebody did check it...or maybe that would just be unexpectedly selfish.
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The incognito feature is very cool, I'm surprised more browsers don't have it.
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I tried Chrome a couple of days ago and I wasn't that impressed. I am sticking to Firefox, besides whatever new function Chrome has FF will also implement it sooner or later. I've also read that they are working on their own Java engine that will be just as fast as Googles.
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Safari also has a private browsing feature too... :rolleyes:
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So does IE8, apparently.
I've also read that they are working on their own Java engine that will be just as fast as Googles.
Really? That's incredibly pointless if it's true. Chrome is all open-source - Firefox can just implement V8 themselves.
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Safari also has a private browsing feature too... :rolleyes:
I said more, apparently IE8 does, but FF would be wise to add it as well.
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IE8 hasn't been released yet, right? :confused:
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There's a public beta.
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IE8 hasn't been released yet, right? :confused:
Beta is already available...final set for release in January 09.
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Any better than the previous 7?
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Safari also has a private browsing feature too... :rolleyes:
I said more, apparently IE8 does, but FF would be wise to add it as well.
This can vary easily archive similar and even better anonymity with Firefox through the use of extensions, eg. Torbutton (https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/)
By the way, the German Federal Office for Information Security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Office_for_Information_Security) has issued an official warning against the use of chrome for several reasons.
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I don't know about this alert, but lately the Chrome beta has been making Vista crash. I'm certainly not making it my default browser until it's at least fully released, and perhaps later than that. It is, however, very interesting.
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Tried it for a day and a half. I found the lack of any menus, configuration options, and customizations insulting. It doesn't even properly integrate into the shell, FFS. ALT+F4 doesn't even work right.
Garbage.
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Here comes garbage. :D
I'll just use Firefox and Safari.
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I am using it. Not that bad. More integration would be nice.
Can't wait until Google OS.
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Can't wait until Google OS.
Context-sensitive ads everywhere.
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Google actually intends to replace the concept of operating systems. Or so their picture book says.
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Does their picture book (for school kids everywhere) have context sensitive ads?
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Does anyone notice that after you install Google Chrome, there is an automatic process 'GoogleUpdater.exe' running, that is NOT updating Google Chrome?
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better call the police shadowgorrath it might be stealing your megabytes
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Does anyone notice that after you install Google Chrome, there is an automatic process 'GoogleUpdater.exe' running, that is NOT updating Google Chrome?
http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/googleupdater