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Title: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 22, 2008, 10:34:40 pm
http://www.france24.com/en/20080921-uk-gordon-brown-labour-conference-party-leadership&navi=EUROPE

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British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, battling internal opposition at his Labour Party's annual conference, said he "wanted to do better", but also that he had no intention of conceding the party's leadership.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown admitted Sunday he could do better as he bids to fend off rebels opposed to his leadership at his ruling Labour Party's annual conference.
   
But he added voters would not forgive him and his government if it decided to "bail out" of tackling the current economic uncertainty following a week of extraordinary events on world money markets.

What are the Brits opinion of this?  Apparently polls say he's either the least popular or one of the least popular PMs since Chamberlain, so what does this mean for his political future?
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: blackhole on September 22, 2008, 10:48:50 pm
It didn't stop bush.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 22, 2008, 10:53:37 pm
US Presidential elections differ slightly from those of the British PM.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Galemp on September 23, 2008, 12:06:33 am
IIRC, the Prime Minister is the leader of whatever party is elected to the Government at the time, and is not elected on their own merits but on the basis of their high standing within the party that was elected.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Mars on September 23, 2008, 02:21:42 am
Has there just been a spat in the last two decades of people voting for the wrong party at the wrong time?
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: karajorma on September 23, 2008, 03:00:12 am
IIRC, the Prime Minister is the leader of whatever party is elected to the Government at the time, and is not elected on their own merits but on the basis of their high standing within the party that was elected.

Basically yes. He must also be a sitting member of parliament IIRC but they always make sure that the leader is given a very safe constituency so unless he cocks up spectacularly he's unlikely to fail that way.

It has often been said that Labour won the last election despite Tony Blair, not because of him.


Gordon Brown's future looks rather rocky at the moment but Labour would do well to remember the example of John Major. He too took over after a hugely unpopular PM resigned and was then repeatedly stabbed in the back by his own party until they ended up dragging themselves into such a mess that they were unelectable for over 10 years.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 23, 2008, 03:16:39 am
IIRC, the Prime Minister is the leader of whatever party is elected to the Government at the time, and is not elected on their own merits but on the basis of their high standing within the party that was elected.

Basically yes. He must also be a sitting member of parliament IIRC but they always make sure that the leader is given a very safe constituency so unless he cocks up spectacularly he's unlikely to fail that way.

     I don't know about the UK, but in Canada, even if the leader fails to win their bid in whatever riding they're running in, usually another MP from their party will step aside to give the leader their seat.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Al Tarket on September 23, 2008, 06:32:36 am
"So, Gordon Brown..." - Title Topic.

...Doesn't have a clue.

Gordon has lost the confidence of his labour party, Tony Blair is doing everything he can to help Gordan brown and it's clear it is not enough. who put this guy in charge of the United Kingdom anyway? the poor people in the United Kingdom will have to suffer a few months worth of stupidity with this man.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Wobble73 on September 23, 2008, 06:40:32 am
"So, Gordon Brown..." - Title Topic.

...Doesn't have a clue.

Gordon has lost the confidence of his labour party, Tony Blair is doing everything he can to help Gordan brown and it's clear it is not enough. who put this guy in charge of the United Kingdom anyway? the poor people in the United Kingdom will have to suffer a few months worth of stupidity with this man.

I believe there was an un-spoken/un-written agreement between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, that Gordon would take over leadership of the Labour Party (and therefore become Prime Minister) once Tony stepped down as long as Gordon supported Tony during his time as Prime Minister.

Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: karajorma on September 23, 2008, 06:48:14 am
the poor people in the United Kingdom will have to suffer a few months worth of stupidity with this man.

Well that's the irony. He's not done anything particularly stupid. Certainly nothing as bad as Tony Blair did. About the only thing you can directly lay at his feet is the whole debacle over the 10p tax rate and that was something he brought in as Chancellor not PM.

Which is why I drew parallels to John Major. It wasn't so much the bad decisions that Major made which brought him down so much as the fact that the other members of his own party smelled blood in the water and constantly attacked him.

I'm no fan of Gordon Brown. In fact I think the wanker should be set on fire and thrown out of a moving train into a brick wall for even contemplating bringing in the 42 day detention law. But I can't honestly see anything he's done to make him less popular than Blair.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: BlackDove on September 23, 2008, 08:39:19 am
I think everyone in this thread would do a better job than Gordon Brown.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Flipside on September 23, 2008, 09:13:38 am
Gordon Brown, texture like sun
In the ground, our finances run...
Throughout the night
Governs like ****e.
Always a frown
With Gordon Brown.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Stormkeeper on September 23, 2008, 09:23:58 am
I have a question. How many of you saw 'Gordon' and immediately thought 'Gordon Freeman'? Because I did.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Al Tarket on September 23, 2008, 11:23:12 am
some how i knew that question was going to come up sooner or later! :lol:

however...  :eek2:, don't ever compare mr freeman with mr brown. You Heretic! :lol:

for one thing Mr Freeman can keep his mouth shut, what more do you need, and really i don't want to see a mr brown/Carth Onasi type constantly talking crap and not making any difference in the long run.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Stormkeeper on September 23, 2008, 09:14:32 pm
mr brown/Carth Onasi type constantly talking crap and not making any difference in the long run.
:wakka:
But sadly true.
:wakka:
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Mars on September 24, 2008, 12:29:27 am
I think everyone in this thread would do a better job than Gordon Brown.

Coming from you, that's really terrifying.

I believe that scale puts me somewhere above Gordon Brown and somewhere below your average jelly fish.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: captain-custard on September 24, 2008, 02:16:40 pm
Gordon Brown, texture like sun
In the ground, our finances run...
Throughout the night
Governs like ****e.
Always a frown
With Gordon Brown.

that is a classic but who is tied to the mast?

Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Flipside on September 24, 2008, 05:41:25 pm
I wish Mosley had been a politican...

Then again, I could just change the line itself:

Every tax, just like the last,
Bent over...

...Actually, no... ;)
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: BlackDove on September 25, 2008, 06:26:20 am
I think everyone in this thread would do a better job than Gordon Brown.

Coming from you, that's really terrifying.

I believe that scale puts me somewhere above Gordon Brown and somewhere below your average jelly fish.

lrn2sarcasm
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 25, 2008, 09:23:34 am
how do I learned sarcasm?
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: BlackDove on September 25, 2008, 10:18:40 am
When you figure out who was phone.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: redsniper on September 25, 2008, 10:23:28 am
And whatever you do, don't accidentally a whole coke bottle.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: BlackDove on September 25, 2008, 10:26:03 am
I once accidentally a whole coke bottle.

**** was SO cash.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: redsniper on September 25, 2008, 10:28:49 am
ITT: derailment by memes

Ok, that's probably enough. :nervous:
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: BlackDove on September 25, 2008, 10:34:10 am
You're right, we better get out of here before candlejack arri
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: admiral_wolf on September 25, 2008, 05:09:06 pm
I didn't want him in office, but he had a lot of support from his party at the time when Tony stepped down.  If I remember correctly, he had such support that it was unviable for a member of Labour to run against him.

But I suppose the current economic climate hasn't exactly helped Gordon.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 25, 2008, 06:18:34 pm
You're right, we better get out of here before candlejack arri

OMG QUICK KILL IT WITH FIRE
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Stormkeeper on September 25, 2008, 09:08:25 pm
How does you kills candlejack wi
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Nuclear1 on September 25, 2008, 10:14:43 pm
I dunno lol

Rather,

¯\(°_o)/¯
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: Stormkeeper on September 25, 2008, 10:22:27 pm
We needs sum jesus kira.
Title: Re: So, Gordon Brown...
Post by: karajorma on September 26, 2008, 04:11:49 am
Since this is going nowhere...locked.