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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: dANGER boy on October 02, 2008, 02:13:18 am
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Hey there all Freespace loyalists. Seeing as how I have no creative capabilities or immagination whatsoever, I'm looking for anybody and everybody that possesses such skills that would like to create a 20-25 mission campaign with possibly more missions as part of alternate loops.
So, if you have any good ideas for a campaign that is immersive, fun, and challenging that takes place during Freespace 2 or shortly after, let me know either via e-mail or here. Thanks a bunch.
Have fun!
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P.S. That includes a good plot. Details such as voice acting, the actual layout/order of missions, and possible mods will be considered later. Right now I'm looking for good plots and that kind of fluff.
Cheers!
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Er . .. . so you want ideas for a campaign, that you'll then create? That's, a little backwards. But in a good way.
There are lots of people with ideas for campaigns already, and I'm sure that if you have the FRED skills (or are willing to develop them), a lot of those same people would appreciate your help.
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and there are some people who just don't live long enough to fred all the campaigns they imagined ;7
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and there are some people who just don't live long enough to fred all the campaigns they imagined ;7
Speaking. Funny thing is I have/had at least a couple concepts I had no intention of FREDding (one's still on the wiki), but I can't find them at the moment. Oh well, I will yet.
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Id like to see one that deviates from the frequent cliche of 'We've sealed off the shivans but they're back at it again up to their old tricks with bigger badder ships'
a new race perhaps? an internal rebellion? organised piracy? Deep space exploration? Horrors of 'Event-Horizon' scale?
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I won't play any more spooky campaigns after derelict sync and transcend. They broke my resolve. . And i've been blown up.
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NEO TERRA VICTORIOUS
has exactly what you're looking for. All the mods are done, as is the story and the plot outline. All it needs is someone to make missions.
SOMEONE LIKE YOU.
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I've got some ideas for new campaign material but I lack the ability to make it all fit toegether into a fun, meaningful plot. For instance, I have been toying with the idea of playing a double agent. You are a pilot for the GTI who can be corrupted by the NTF or local pirates. So, instead of playing spy for the GTI, you actually play a space pirate or you convert to a rebel fighting for the NTF. Only problem is that, lack I said, I'm no story writer.
I'm willing to make the missions if people can give me good plot lines with all those literacy terms (you know, all the ones you learned in school).
Fighting Shivans mindlessly is fun but old.
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I saw this once on the wiki. It sounds really cool and matches your concept. If someone made it I would play it for sure.
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Second_Great_War-era_Campaign_ideas
"Alone"
A campaign based off the Faustus' fighterbay.
As a new lieutenant fresh out of the academy, you are shanghai'd for a GTVI operation, going undercover with the still-forming NTF. You are issued a Pegasus stealth fighter and will operate off the erstwhile NTSC Bohr. There is also a Hercules Mk II aboard in case everything goes south and you must exfiltrate under fire. You gather intelligence about the NTF, and occasionally strike at weak points in their forces. As time goes by you become enmeshed in the attempt to discover what the heck ETAK really is. The deepening mystery eventually leads you to the NTC Trinity...and what it plans to do.
The Bohr and you have contacted GTVI headquarters and gotten no response. GTVI appears not to be planning to do anything; there's no time to warn regular GTVA forces and they probably wouldn't believe you anyways. You have to stop the Trinity from bringing about a second crack at armageddon on your own.
Neither you nor the Bohr have the proper IFF codes to make it through GTVA space unmolested. You'll have to fight your way to Gamma Draconis. There, you must stop the Trinity from activating the Knossos portal...and maybe, just maybe, change the course of history.
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I'm curious dANGER boy ... what skills do you have? If you're not writing a story or designing mission, what can you do? FRED? model? Texture?
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Title of the campaign; 'Indestructible'
It followed just after the end of the Capella node being sealed off. Just 1 year with all the fleets still barely recovering from damage, a new threat emerges.
An unknown race suddenly appears from nowhere, attacking unrelentlessly, and they have joined forces with Vasudans against the human race. The human race now faces extinction but the gateway to Sol and Delta Serpentis has been restabilised by the GTA on the other side due to their own advances in technology, bring mankinds salvation into GTVA space to throw the tide of the war against the Vasudans and the Asurans.
Turns out that the Vasudans made contact with the Asurans long ago during the Great War between the Terrrans and Vasudans and the Asurans promised to assist the Vasudans, but just at that time the Terran War ended and the shivans came and the treaty was signed between Vasudans and Terrans, and the new political movement in Vasuda ceased contact with Asurans and never released the knowledge of the Asurans to the terrans, but now with new power in Vasudan Parliament, they believe the fault of the shivan onslaught lay with the terrans and their warmongering, and they want to obliterate humanity from existence alongside the Asurans.
Now with the Shivans out of the way, the Asurans and Vasudans want to crush humanity - but they'll learn that although humans die, and ships are destroyed, humanity is INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Missions would involve defense of fleets, large-scale engagements, several new weapons and the new Asuran forces, as well as orbital bombardment
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Hey there all Freespace loyalists. Seeing as how I have no creative capabilities or immagination whatsoever, I'm looking for anybody and everybody that possesses such skills that would like to create a 20-25 mission campaign with possibly more missions as part of alternate loops.
So, if you have any good ideas for a campaign that is immersive, fun, and challenging that takes place during Freespace 2 or shortly after, let me know either via e-mail or here. Thanks a bunch.
This is pretty cool. Usually we get threads where somebody has an idea and wants somebody else to make it for him. :)
I agree with Galemp. Neo-Terra Victorious is just what you're looking for. It already has a great story, a well-developed plot, and even a playable demo. But most of the team have moved on to other projects, so it needs someone to take charge and make the missions.
You can view the forum here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/board,57.0.html). If you like what you see, I might be able to give you project access. :)
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VC, that smells like something chock full of low poly ships in BoE. No fun.
It also makes no sense. Vasudans fighting the GTVA (oh yes we kill our allies)? "Asurans" are they like...SHIVANS MARK 2 NOW WITH MORE EVIL? Humanity being indestructible...because of ALPHAONE11!!?!/!!?!11/?/!11?1one? Sorry to piss over your parade, but seriously. WTF :wtf:
I do like Molybdenum's though, and
dANGER boy, I'd suggest you help NTV. GO NTF!
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If you have FREDding skills, yeah -- make Neo-Terra Victorious.
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I'm curious dANGER boy ... what skills do you have? If you're not writing a story or designing mission, what can you do? FRED? model? Texture?
As far as skills go, I'm can deisgn (build) missions but I'm not very creative when it comes to knowing what to include such as plot advancement, twists, and all that stuff in the missions. But if you have those ideas already laid out, I can put them into a playable mission.
I am not good at texturing but I am able to do some modeling. I'm proficient in Rhino3D 3.0 and I'm working on learning Lightwave and 3D Studio Max. But don't count on my being able to put out amazing high-poly models. My experience goes only as far as being able to model tanks, ships, and airplanes for an old strategy game called Total Annihilation.
I'll look into Neo-Terran Victorious. I'm not saying I'll jump right on but it sounds interesting.
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Stumbled across this thread... think I'll play through the NTV demo when I get back home, looks interesting...
Didn't realise how old it was until I saw "3dap" in the readme.
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VC, that smells like something chock full of low poly ships in BoE. No fun.
It also makes no sense. Vasudans fighting the GTVA (oh yes we kill our allies)? "Asurans" are they like...SHIVANS MARK 2 NOW WITH MORE EVIL? Humanity being indestructible...because of ALPHAONE11!!?!/!!?!11/?/!11?1one? Sorry to piss over your parade, but seriously. WTF :wtf:
I do like Molybdenum's though, and
dANGER boy, I'd suggest you help NTV. GO NTF!
Just a suggestion no need to shoot it down so heavily.
And no they're not like Mk 2 Shivans , and wouldnt be low poly BoE syndrome.
Think more along the lines of a machine race. One type of fighter, one type of bomber, and only 3 or 4 different types of capital ships, and hit the enemy en masse. The plot i just gave was a 'bare bones' outline, and it would be anything BUT an 'alpha 1 here to save the day' campaign.
But anyway feel free to make your presumptions and assumptions. It was just an idea i thought up ages ago, nothing more.
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NTV looks dead.
Last news on the site was made in 2003????
IT's been in development for an eternity. Maybe you're better off looking for a project that shows more life....
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It's ready for a resurrection, though.
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Title of the campaign; 'Indestructible'
It followed just after the end of the Capella node being sealed off. Just 1 year with all the fleets still barely recovering from damage, a new threat emerges.
An unknown race suddenly appears from nowhere, attacking unrelentlessly, and they have joined forces with Vasudans against the human race. The human race now faces extinction but the gateway to Sol and Delta Serpentis has been restabilised by the GTA on the other side due to their own advances in technology, bring mankinds salvation into GTVA space to throw the tide of the war against the Vasudans and the Asurans.
Turns out that the Vasudans made contact with the Asurans long ago during the Great War between the Terrrans and Vasudans and the Asurans promised to assist the Vasudans, but just at that time the Terran War ended and the shivans came and the treaty was signed between Vasudans and Terrans, and the new political movement in Vasuda ceased contact with Asurans and never released the knowledge of the Asurans to the terrans, but now with new power in Vasudan Parliament, they believe the fault of the shivan onslaught lay with the terrans and their warmongering, and they want to obliterate humanity from existence alongside the Asurans.
Now with the Shivans out of the way, the Asurans and Vasudans want to crush humanity - but they'll learn that although humans die, and ships are destroyed, humanity is INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Missions would involve defense of fleets, large-scale engagements, several new weapons and the new Asuran forces, as well as orbital bombardment
Ahh... I remember that thing... Good old campaign concept, just too bad we never got anywhere with the thing. I was sad to see its demise.
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The GTA fixing the node is a brand new concept that i'd fully intend to rip-off if my campaign was in the canon timeline.
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NTV looks dead.
Last news on the site was made in 2003????
IT's been in development for an eternity. Maybe you're better off looking for a project that shows more life....
FS2 mods/ games don't die, they hibernate 'till someone comes and start/ continue to work on 'em.
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Well i thought that if the GTA fixed the node, that saves the hassle of making a GTVA knossos, plus it is a fresh concept.
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Just a suggestion no need to shoot it down so heavily.
And no they're not like Mk 2 Shivans , and wouldnt be low poly BoE syndrome.
Think more along the lines of a machine race. One type of fighter, one type of bomber, and only 3 or 4 different types of capital ships, and hit the enemy en masse. The plot i just gave was a 'bare bones' outline, and it would be anything BUT an 'alpha 1 here to save the day' campaign.
But anyway feel free to make your presumptions and assumptions. It was just an idea i thought up ages ago, nothing more.
Eh, sorry about that... the "Missions would involve defense of fleets, large-scale engagements..." part just made it feel like it'd all sound like BoE.
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Ok, so a lot of ideas have been thrown around. I'm willing to look into some of this stuff. NTV looks promising, so we'll see. If you want to talk, its probably better to contact me at one of my Instant Messenger accounts. I update my profile so you should just be able to get them from there. I am not very reliable when it comes to checking e-mail but you'll definately find me at the IM accounts.
:yes:
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NTV looks dead.
Last news on the site was made in 2003????
IT's been in development for an eternity. Maybe you're better off looking for a project that shows more life....
Uhm, actually... it hasn't been in development SINCE 2003. The staff split up, the board was archived.
I urged Goober to re-open the board, since we do have a demo out, for discussion, tech support and publicity. I've also been stirring up a little interest to see if anyone wanted to pick it up again, and it might be paying off. You see...
The Hard Light Administrators buried this knowledge, but I resurrected it. I alone realized our campaign had no future with the team. If we are to survive, our destiny must lie elsewhere.
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The Hard Light Administrators buried this knowledge, but I resurrected it. I alone realized our campaign had no future with the team. If we are to survive, our destiny must lie elsewhere.
:lol:
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The Hard Light Administrators buried this knowledge, but I resurrected it. I alone realized our campaign had no future with the team. If we are to survive, our destiny must lie elsewhere.
Didn't Mobius patent the whole void of spam thing?
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I have tons of ideas.
One of mine is to fly as the Shivans during the events of FS2
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...or the NTF? ;7
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Pfft, like that's any fun.
I have a couple of dual-viewpoint campaign ideas, but those are actually being worked on, so none for you.
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the reconstruction ere could really use some more campaigns. A few of them only really deal with immediatly after the GW, and the rest like Sync and Homesick really aren't in that time period.
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I thought you were doing one about the re-unification...
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I'm so rusty in actually playing FS2 now that I restarted the first mission of the NTV demo close to 10 times (dying and menu-restarting) just to get all the objectives accomplished...
But I died in the second mission anyhow :lol: :blah:
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:warp:
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I've just taken over NTV and decided to reduce the importance of my role in the ED team in a severe way to compensate.
Before you ask I have always been quite interested on the NTF and many of my first FRED attempts were about the NTF from its point of view...if you look at my first posts in Skippy's CL thread you'll notice a small NTF related solo project later abandoned by me.
Galemp contacted me following the creation of that thread on NTV's public forum. We used AIM to talk a bit and then I decided to join him by sacrificing my role in the ED team. I want to be serious and honest in situations like this so I preferred to be clear and say that I can't work on INFA, the FSCRP, NTV, ED, Steadfast and so on at the same time. Steadfast and other minor projects are on hold and I can't find time for the FSCRP...
My motto when speaking of badges and projects is "Quality over quantity". I prefer to be part of a limited number of projects and work on them in a satisfying way rather than join many projects in an inconclusive way. I want to work hard and earn each of the badges I have...when I look at them here on HLP I want to do it with satisfaction... :D
Back to the main subject, I'd like to say that during the discussion I realized the plans for the beginning of NTV match almost perfectly an old NTF mission of mine(separate from that small project) and this led me to become even more motivated than I originally was.
NTV is looking for members, mostly FREDders, due to the fact that the campaign is about the NTF rebellion and most(if not all) ships and weapons come straight from FS2. As soon as we get more people we'll start plotting a campaign that may not necessarily match the old one. Until then I'll continue to work on INFA and possibly on the FSCRP to have more free time in the future...I'll also think of how to manage NTV.
Since I want to release something I'm planning to divide the campaign in parts of 10-15 missions and release them separately. This will prevent the development from taking too long(people are more motivated when the to-do-list isn't long).
Our standards aren't high and unreachable...if you're a FREDder willing to help contact me or Galemp. Don't be afraid if your FREDding isn't great, I'll help you out with it... :)
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Alright, I'll help out with FREDding.
I've been considering it for a while, actually, since the moment Galemp said it was up for grabs.
My three personal campaigns are in the testing phase or are near completion, and AG is on hiatus until BlueLion comes back, so provided I don't get too much schoolwork, I can help out. :)
I hope I'm not signing on for too much :nervous:
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Good to know. :)
May I have a mission designed by you? :D
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What about a what if scenario? What if destroying the node failed and the second shivan invasion occured? this opens many possibilities in terms of plot. The shivans could crush all human-vasudan colonies or the there could be a third race that intervenes. Or worst case scenario, shivans destroy everything and human-vasudans are forced to hide out and live somewhere secluded. Think sort of like battlestar galactica, but instead of looking for earth, they settle on a single planet. This is all just off the top of my head so its all pretty rough. but the possibilities are endless.
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Or the GTVA finds another way to bring down the Lucifer.
For instance, bringing the WHOLE fleet together. EVERYTHING. and throwing everything at it. I doubt even the Lucifer could survive that (will all the different weapon that work on different principles...times the number of shots..something tells me the Lucifer can't generate as much power as a whole GTVA fleet)
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Random campaign idea.
Freespace: The New Age
Set post-Capella. After not receiving aid promised by the GTVA, fringe planetary governments are incited to a rebellion that is not all that it seems. A disgraced GTVA pilot, part of a convoy caught in the middle of the conflict, discovers an artifact in deep space previously thought lost to the GTVA. The convoy dispatches a transport to collect the device. It takes over the transport's navigational systems and sends it on a series of jumps to the location of something which will create a New Age for humanity and the Vasudans.
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I'm kind of reminded of this one site I once stumbled across making fun of various ill-conceived mods for the Half-Life engine. As the writer noted, so many of them seemed to start out with the premise, "The year is 22XX. Go!" Not that most of our user-made campaigns are anywhere near that generic, but they seem to share a similar mechanic. "It has been XX years since Capella. Go!" :p
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I'm kind of reminded of this one site I once stumbled across making fun of various ill-conceived mods for the Half-Life engine. As the writer noted, so many of them seemed to start out with the premise, "The year is 22XX. Go!" Not that most of our user-made campaigns are anywhere near that generic, but they seem to share a similar mechanic. "It has been XX years since Capella. Go!" :p
Establishing the time in the setting is critical. I don't want to play a campaign wondering whether this is the Great War, Reconstruction, Post-Capella or an alternate variation of the main Freespace campaigns.
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I know that's true, but it does get rather amusing seeing that same phrase at the start of just about every custom campaign out there.
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What about a what if scenario? What if destroying the node failed and the second shivan invasion occured? this opens many possibilities in terms of plot. The shivans could crush all human-vasudan colonies or the there could be a third race that intervenes. Or worst case scenario, shivans destroy everything and human-vasudans are forced to hide out and live somewhere secluded. Think sort of like battlestar galactica, but instead of looking for earth, they settle on a single planet. This is all just off the top of my head so its all pretty rough. but the possibilities are endless.
You haven't played Blue Planet, have you?
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I know that's true, but it does get rather amusing seeing that same phrase at the start of just about every custom campaign out there.
It's used because it works.
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...when I reach the point at which explicitly spelling out the exact humorous intent of a situation is required, I'm reminded of why I shouldn't have bothered in the first place. :p
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What about a what if scenario? What if destroying the node failed and the second shivan invasion occured? this opens many possibilities in terms of plot. The shivans could crush all human-vasudan colonies or the there could be a third race that intervenes. Or worst case scenario, shivans destroy everything and human-vasudans are forced to hide out and live somewhere secluded. Think sort of like battlestar galactica, but instead of looking for earth, they settle on a single planet. This is all just off the top of my head so its all pretty rough. but the possibilities are endless.
You haven't played Blue Planet, have you?
This!
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Would any one consider making a marines approach to missions? I mean where you have specialized one time use equipment, that you use up on you initial assault but have to abandon and use captured equipment or modify your own. You will have to make hybrids. But whatever you do, no one knows you exist. So no big explosions. It has to be missions where people would say are impossible without the whole fleet. But where a few well trained, (each holding a few BSc. Degrees), with prototypes might be able to pull it off. You will have to find away to distract the enemy (Thin their ranks from your area), then make them look for you where you are obviously not (kill someone or damage something important). You enemy will react and hunt you down; and protect vital areas. If you know where they are, use that to you advantage. After killing your first victim. You will need to kill another one very far from the first. The idea is to cause confusion- have some of them thinking what you want them to think and the rest unable to make up their minds. Fear is you best weapon here. Even the most well defended fortress, can be brought down if they are in a state of confusion. By the time they see you, it must be too late to mount a successful defense. So one's going to need a lot of specialized stealth crafts. Also one may to resurrect a meson beam firing ship for ship disabling (no big explosions unless absolutely necessary). One may need to modify a vasudan gun boat to carry a few marines, but where you can fly and even defend yourself. Then there is the modified bomber, wish can carry specialized cargo and a specialist to look after it. Of course this leaves you with a limited way of defending yourself. Would it be possible to deploy a mine from a stealth craft or at least make it look like you did by docking and undocking.
Then there is your enemy. You're going to need an enemy which requires all this. May be to capture a destroyer, whether shivan, or GTVA or anyone who has a ship worth capturing, probably when refueling or hiding in a nova or supernova. Then one can build installations which might worth the investment. Could one jump around space destroying communication devices and sensor arrays, where the game remembers your weapons and ship status before each jump; and you start each new mission your hull, subsystems and missiles exactly as you had them when you jumped out of the last mission?
Did anyone finish the story line for technical superiority? That was a great campaign. It is worth finishing.
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Que?
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Much of what you're suggesting is possible. It's just going to take a ton of effort, and most of the community is already devoted to their various projects.
If you want to see it happen, you might as well get started! There's a ton of other great stuff to check out as well if you're not interested in producing that particular scenario yourself.
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What about this? (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56999.0.html)
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Chuck Norris invades the GTVA, and they must make a drastic alliance with the Shivans...
However, the Chuck Norris is armed with super powered round house kicks beams, which kill in one hit. A massive Endor type battle breaks out, but everyone dies, except for the player (as usual), and the player must defeat the Norris against impossible odds.
The player must first discover Chuck Norris's weakness, which turns out to be nothing, so, in order to save the universe from the Chuck Norris, the player sacrifices himself and turns the entire universe into nothing, that way, Chuck Norris can be defeated.
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Chuck Norris invades the GTVA, and they must make a drastic alliance with the Shivans...
However, the Chuck Norris is armed with super powered round house kicks beams, which kill in one hit. A massive Endor type battle breaks out, but everyone dies, except for the player (as usual), and the player must defeat the Norris against impossible odds.
The player must first discover Chuck Norris's weakness, which turns out to be nothing, so, in order to save the universe from the Chuck Norris, the player sacrifices himself and turns the entire universe into nothing, that way, Chuck Norris can be defeated.
this one seems taken out of the "Freespace dream" thread :P
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Alright, seriously...
I have a few ideas, but I would like someone with good experience on making campaigns to actually execute this if they'd like to.
It's a rather simple storyline, it's about the people left behind in Sol ever since the jump node collapsed. However, nothing really is going on, but the story focuses on a rather old man, who was once a pilot during the Great War. He tells a handful of pilots, or just one, his story and his experiences. The player will then live through those experiences.
However, the style this will be done is jumps, jumping between the past (the man's memories) and the present.
The old man however, flew with his best friend Petrarch during the Great War, however, they were separated, and the old man was stranded on earth with some other people.
The years have then passed by, and the old man is retelling his ordeal, and how he one day wishes to see his good friend again (who is now, an admiral), and how he promises himself to not die until he sees that Petrarch has returned.
So yes, you can do whatever you want, it's just the Great War, except with character development garbage.
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Ideas are very good indeed. The problem is that making campaigns is so hard no one is likely to tackle it, since everyone's already busy with their own projects.