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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: LuaPineapple on October 03, 2008, 07:40:25 pm
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I've sent this just a few seconds ago. You have no idea how ****ing ****ed I am at them at the moment. I had three friends who wanted to play the FS2 campaign in MP and they all gave up when they couldn't download the core files and FS2 started spewing out error messages like it's going out of style.
Well done GOG!
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What's the problem exactly?? Isn't the webpage of theirs still in Beta? Beta means, not completely up to specs yet??
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...you have utterly and completely missed the point of what GOG is about. Seriously. Congratulations.
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...who's acting like what now?
Seriously, Lua, I could tear that e-mail apart piece by piece. Let's start with the big fallacy. FS2 is extremely hard to find...legally. You can toss torrent links around until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't change the fact that each and every one of them is completely illegal. The only reason that Turey ever included the retail FS2 files in his Installer to begin with was precisely because the game is so rare; there's now a dedicated retail source for it again, and so Turey nixed the .isos.
Or maybe we'll try your line about "paying for the right to use the SCP's work." I mean...what? Fundamentally, the Source Code Project and its related MediaVP enhancements have always been intended, and will always be intended, as an updgrade to the existing retail FS2. That's retail...as in purchased. Stick that build and those VPs in a folder by themselves, and what are you going to be able to do with them? Absolutely nothing. The retail game is a requirement to play FS2_Open, and GOG is selling that selfsame retail game.
(And before anyone shouts "total conversion" at me, we both know that that's a completely separate topic.)
Good Old Games is doing this community a tremendous service by offering FS2 for sale once again, and this is how you respond. Beautiful. Just wonderful.
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Wow. Just wow. I won't even say anything else because Mongoose said it all for me.
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Good job, they'll probably see to it those torrents get shut down now.
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And that would be just fine. Even by the loosest definition of the term, FS2 isn't "abandonware," at least not anymore.
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It would in theory be fine, unless you take into account that CDs can get broken/scratched and that GoG won't give you a freebie if you mail in a broken CD.
But I wasn't thinking of that at the time. I just said it to show that LuaPineapple's email would likely end up hurting him/us more than helping.
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...and what are you doing with your FS2 CDs that puts them at any risk of getting mauled? If your game needs reinstalling, you reinstall it, the CDs go back in the case, and they hibernate until the next time they're needed. It's not some trial by fire to keep them in pristine condition. :p
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Never point out torrents...that's a good way to get them shut down...
As much as I hate all legal-schmegal goody two shoes, that email was just nonsensical, Lua...if you want to get it illegally...do so quietly, so the rest of us that want to torrent it can too. =.= GOG isn't preventing you from torrenting the game,
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For the sake of all of us, I hope the GoG staff have a thicker skin than you do.
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Huh, that was one of the most senseless things I've ever seen around here :sigh:
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I couldn't care less for most of that email. But saying "In effect you are charging people 6 to 10 dollars for what the SCP team has been... releasing for free." effectively makes any legal parties think that we've been distributing a commercial game for free. The SCP hasn't done such thing. They got the source code of the game engine, fiddled with it and released a new version. They haven't been distributing the whole game. Only the open-source engine.
And... "If a new comer to the SCP decides he/she wants to try it then they have to 'legally' pay YOU for the right to use THE SCP TEAM'S work." is also invalid. No one is paying GOG for FSO. They're paying them for FS2. FSO is still very much free and available from various sources without moral consequences.
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You ****ing Moron.
The SCP has nothing to do with retail FS2. The SCP has nothing to do with the Installer. GOG is not charging for the SCP. I don't even know where to start counting the number of errors you made.
I sincerely hope this thread is some sort of tasteless practical joke. If not, you need to sign online immediately and find karajorma or me to see how you can fix this.
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So this person has just pointed out a whole load of torrents, completely insulted people who are doing their best to help, has said the SCP is taking part in illegal activities and has basically stopped anyone from getting FS2 completely?
Wow. I couldn't do more damage even if I was trying.
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Hmm. His Diaspora badge has disappeared. Serves him right.
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Being an idiot has its price. Being the biggest ****ing dunce on the internet deserves something worse.
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With karajorma's input, I've emailed a letter to GOG in an attempt to smooth things over.
Karajorma noticed LuaPineapple on another forum posting internal developer screenshots of Diaspora, and announcing a release date. So I'm beginning to suspect that his password got stolen. It would make more sense than him arbitrarily deciding to burn all his bridges at once.
I suggest that all of you ensure that you have good passwords. :)
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I suggest that all of you ensure that you have good passwords. :)
I don't know if mine is good.
It's: <telling people your password is fundamentally stupid>. Is that good enough?
« Last Edit: October 04, 2008, 05:21:52 PM by Goober5000 »
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Being an idiot has its price.
Yeah...either you are beaten up or become president. Depends on you being well connected.
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I was going to suggest that some of the community leaders/SCP heads send an e-mail to GOG to smooth things over and voice our support for them (the way I see it we both benefit. We send people to GOG, they Google Freespace 2 online and find us) but it seems like that has already (or will be) done. I've always been a fan of the relatively high levels of maturity and leadership in this community (even if I wasn't so mature when I joined 7 years ago).
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Oh my flipping god. Wish I'd gotten here sooner but I really don't have anything new to add. I just can't believe how far off the mark this is. I really hope it was a compromised account, but I'm not all so sure. And yes an email has already been sent apparently.
Edit: One thing that wasn't mentioned I don't think was the fact that this particular sale SUPPORTS INTERPLAY as they're a legit distributor of the game now, not just buying it on ebay or something. That's why we've been sending people there.
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I gotta say, flippin heck,.........
I can't vocalise my disdain at the innotations i read behind that e-mail. the SCP is completely seperate from FreeSpace RETAIL.
Everythings bee exressed already before this post. I( just hope nothing legal comes from thiss as i only just managed to get into two mods i feel are quite good.
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:lol: Good trick there.
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How'd ya mean Gobby? :D
edit, nm noticed the quote.
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I accidentally the whole FS2 community. Is this bad?
Seriously what the hell?
The only way that e-mail would make any modicum of sense is if GoG would be offering FS2_Open and FreeSpace Upgrade material (mediaVP's) for a price, instead of the retail game, and even then, foam-mouthed trashing wouldn't be quite appropriate.
Since this is not the case, it makes no sense AND it's just foam-mouthed dickery. I would call it superdickery but that's reserved for superman.
So, yeah. Brainfart. I hope you can convince GoG that it was just that, and not really typical for the community as a whole. :rolleyes:
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Incidentally, I've spotted him online for a couple of times now. Has he responded to this mess in any way?
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Who is this idiot noob and why has he done this?
Plus he is banned now yes?
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I'm locking this for now since I've had a chat with LP and I'm now going to talk to the admins about what is going to happen.