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Title: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on September 30, 2008, 07:35:12 pm: the most amusing fact about hallfight marines is they us frikking ML-16's
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Polpolion on September 30, 2008, 07:44:31 pm: Quote from: pecenipicek on September 30, 2008, 07:35:12 pm
the most amusing fact about hallfight marines is they us frikking ML-16's

I doubt it. Plz explain how you came to that conclusion.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on September 30, 2008, 08:03:47 pm: first off, the last comment on this page
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTW_ML-16

second
http://wiki.freespacegalaxy.de/doku.php?id=marines&s=marines

third, hallfight scene?
Spoiler:
granted, i dont know if it was anywhere in the canon sources that it was a ml-16... but the visuals do tell their story.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Polpolion on September 30, 2008, 08:20:17 pm: I'm still rather hesitant to believe that a fighter-craft mounted gun is used hand-held. You don't see any Marines running around with 20mm Vulcan Cannons shooting at other guys these days.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on September 30, 2008, 08:27:29 pm: me too, might be just a re-use of existing material since the big gun used by the marines looks like turned around ml-16 with grips.
(do note, it might be plausible that they're using a down-scaled version of it, and, the ml-16 was known as a somewhat... crappy weapon)
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 30, 2008, 08:56:52 pm: Quote from: pecenipicek on September 30, 2008, 08:27:29 pm
me too, might be just a re-use of existing material since the big gun used by the marines looks like turned around ml-16 with grips.
(do note, it might be plausible that they're using a down-scaled version of it, and, the ml-16 was known as a somewhat... crappy weapon)

Eh, except the ML-16 is a laser and if I remember correctly the marines are firing projectile weapons. (ie Kinetic weapons)
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on September 30, 2008, 09:01:01 pm: just remember the big blasty thing which took down the shivan. it had a spin-up sorta sound and a blast
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Galemp on September 30, 2008, 09:37:28 pm: It's definitely an ML-16.

(http://pjfoliver.googlepages.com/tsm0003.jpg)
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Polpolion on September 30, 2008, 09:46:44 pm: Quote from: Galemp on September 30, 2008, 09:37:28 pm
It's definitely an ML-16.

(http://pjfoliver.googlepages.com/tsm0003.jpg)

:confused: How does that picture prove it's an ML-16?
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on September 30, 2008, 09:50:11 pm: He must be looking at the gun design.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Polpolion on September 30, 2008, 09:55:08 pm: Just because it looks like an ML-16 doesn't mean it is an ML-16. If that's the best reason that is shown in that picture, then that picture doesn't convince me that it's an ML-16 at all.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 30, 2008, 10:02:49 pm: Yeah I honestly don't get it either. Comparing the two pictures they look nothing alike. The ML-16 has a longer housing and less barrels. The gun he's carrying clearly has one of those barrel braces or whatever purpose they serve. Well, actually if you take most of the housing off the ML-16 you get something resembling that. But, one would assume the ML-16 would be a touch large than a hand-held gun. (or arm-strapped gun, whatever)
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on September 30, 2008, 10:20:25 pm: The other thing is that the guns the Terrans on the Shivan freighter shoot bullets, because you can't see the individual missiles. On the ML-16, however...
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 01, 2008, 01:40:03 am: The weapon is identical to the loadout .ani in FreeSpace 1. :v: just spanked a handle to it for the cutscene. In arguement for in-universe, chainguns/miniguns can be used unmounted (albeit with a lot of fatigue)
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: CmdKewin on October 01, 2008, 02:10:48 pm: Quote from: thesizzler on September 30, 2008, 08:20:17 pm
You don't see any Marines running around with 20mm Vulcan Cannons shooting at other guys these days.

How cool would that be? Granted, you'd be dead from recoil faster than me finishing this post, but still... Mission Accomplished!
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Galemp on October 01, 2008, 02:33:01 pm: fine, call it an ML-1.6 :p
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 01, 2008, 02:37:50 pm: :yes:

or a MiniL-16
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 01, 2008, 04:49:24 pm: I think that the ML-16 is more akin to an .50 caliber, and that that's a scaled down version.

A 20mm autocannon (not Gatling gun) looks a lot like a 5.56 machine gun, only scaled up.

Or if you'd like, a minigun looks a helluva lot like a Vulcan which looks a helluva lot like an Avenger.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: redsniper on October 01, 2008, 05:08:18 pm: Spoiler:
[V] just reused the ML-16 model for the marines' weapons because they were feeling lazy.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 01, 2008, 05:20:02 pm: we already noticed that. 14 posts ago.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 05:33:27 pm: Quote from: Androgeos Exeunt on September 30, 2008, 10:20:25 pm
The other thing is that the guns the Terrans on the Shivan freighter shoot bullets, because you can't see the individual missiles. On the ML-16, however...

The noise was that of a heavy machinegun, remember? :nod:
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Polpolion on October 01, 2008, 06:25:23 pm: Quote from: Colonol Dekker on October 01, 2008, 01:40:03 am
The weapon is identical to the loadout .ani in FreeSpace 1. :v: just spanked a handle to it for the cutscene. In arguement for in-universe, chainguns/miniguns can be used unmounted (albeit with a lot of fatigue)

Except for the size, energy requirements, and bolt size, that might sound a little reasonable. If it were an actual ML-16, there would be no reason for the Apollo to not have 40 of them mounted on it at once.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 02, 2008, 12:44:53 am: Quote from: Mobius on October 01, 2008, 05:33:27 pm
The noise was that of a heavy machinegun, remember? :nod:

Well, the ML-16 DOESN'T sound like a machine gun, nor does it fire like one. :nod:

And keep in mind that, when a mod creates a machine-gun-like weapon, the sound of the bullets impact resemble that of the first Shivan getting hit. When an ML-16 projectile hits an unshielded target, it sounds like an internal explosion.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Topgun on October 02, 2008, 05:14:42 pm: yeah, and, what does have to do with the interplay site?
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Polpolion on October 02, 2008, 05:43:55 pm: I'm sure there's something...
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 03, 2008, 07:39:09 am: My previous post was messed up. Go see it again. Sorry. :nervous:
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Inquisitor on October 03, 2008, 09:52:10 am: My brain hurts too much to figure out where to split this and move the resulting thread to FS...
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 03, 2008, 12:20:31 pm: Shouldn't anything regarding Interplay be put in General FreeSpace Discussion?
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Jeff Vader on October 03, 2008, 12:26:02 pm: No. Anything regarding FreeSpace should be put in General FreeSpace Discussion.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: Titan on October 03, 2008, 03:10:49 pm: i'm just thinking, that freighter doesn't have gravity, if the shivan's approach to the marines is anything to go by. With that, you can inference:

1. the marines have electro-magnetic boots

2. shivan ships are zero-gee, or the gravity got disabled, which meant that the marines could carry half a bloody tank in there.

3. disproving the second theory, if the shivan are hive-minds, then it sorta fits that they can walk upside-down for some reason, maybe because of the fact that hive-minds are associated with bugz.
Title: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 03, 2008, 03:23:47 pm: shivans are stated as having evolved in zero-g enviroment. i guess that that freighter never had any gravity to begin with.

however, i dont see how theory 3 says anything. the ship doesnt have anything in the way of gravity demonstrated by the marines floating in and engaging mag boots.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: TrashMan on October 04, 2008, 10:47:33 am: Querry:

1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?

2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Snail on October 04, 2008, 10:54:14 am: Quote from: TrashMan on October 04, 2008, 10:47:33 am
1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?
Shivans move in mysterious ways. Literally.

Quote from: TrashMan on October 04, 2008, 10:47:33 am
2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.
I'd guess they didn't want to smack against the wall. Or weren't smart enough to do that.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 04, 2008, 11:19:31 am: i have a feeling that shivans have quite the mass. even in zero-g, mass still exists as does inertia, and most of the shivans were already going towards them. the one that got taken down was being pushed a little bit back tho.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 04, 2008, 11:21:11 am: Shivans have to way around 1000lbs, although bullets move quite fast, they're very low mass a ricocheting bullet isn't giving up its entire energy on its target, and it would take quite a few to successfully move a Shivan I believe.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Droid803 on October 04, 2008, 11:45:56 am: I think the Shivans were using their claws to hold on to stuff, when they weren't hurtling towards the marines...which explains why they don't move by puny bullets bouncing off their armor.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 04, 2008, 11:52:49 am: They're shivans, who's to say how their spooky alien forms operate. :cool:
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: eliex on October 04, 2008, 05:14:04 pm: Quote from: TrashMan on October 04, 2008, 10:47:33 am
2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

Most likely, they panicked.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on October 04, 2008, 05:35:42 pm: Quote from: TrashMan on October 04, 2008, 10:47:33 am
Querry:

1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?

I got the impression they were pulling and pushing off the corridor. They do also seem rather large, and the tech description does talk about an armoured carapace. People wonder why the Shivans didn't land ground troops, maybe the simple fact is they can't. Their body weight may be so much as to make planet-based movement impossible. Though don't know how well that would translate into zero-g, their movement would be a little more limited.

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2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

Given the rate at which they were advancing I don't think that would have mattered.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Cobra on October 04, 2008, 05:45:56 pm: Uh, did anyone look at the second pic on that site?

(http://www.volition-inc.com/fs/images/screens/fullsize/fscutshot08.jpg)

The body of the weapon is similar but not the same. The sides are different and the front has a different barrel and rear end.

Just for comparison (and for me to show off a little :D)

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/4019/ml161130vm1.png)
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on October 04, 2008, 05:53:46 pm: Quote from: Cobra on October 04, 2008, 05:45:56 pm
Uh, did anyone look at the second pic on that site?

(http://www.volition-inc.com/fs/images/screens/fullsize/fscutshot08.jpg)

The body of the weapon is similar but not the same. The sides are different and the front has a different barrel and rear end.

Isn't that a different gun? I thought he was the heavy weapons support guy of the squad. Pretty sure one of the guys in the video had different gear.

Yeah I just checked the video, there's four marines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdov-W9VQyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdov-W9VQyc). Three of them have a gun strapped to one arm, the fourth is as above and also has the gun on her arm but she needs both hands to operate it. She's the vasquez wanna be who says "DIEEEE" before she's thrown into a wall, or whatever happens to her.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 04, 2008, 06:35:52 pm: rotate that model for some ... say30 degrees and arrange the wider end to be parallel to the pic?

akalabeth, raise the brightness on your monitor. this gun also has a handle. and it behaves exactly the same as the vasquez wannabe
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on October 04, 2008, 07:09:42 pm: Quote from: pecenipicek on October 04, 2008, 06:35:52 pm
rotate that model for some ... say30 degrees and arrange the wider end to be parallel to the pic?

akalabeth, raise the brightness on your monitor. this gun also has a handle. and it behaves exactly the same as the vasquez wannabe

Oh well it's the same gun. Didn't look at the first pic. This is the heavy weapon gun, not the standard issue one. The regular marines all have something a lot smaller.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: BengalTiger on October 05, 2008, 04:45:20 am: So it's an ML-16 with a shorter barrel and perhaps a battery mounted in the rear then...

And why do they still use bullets? Are they some kind of light slugs (mini-Maxim)?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: lostllama on October 05, 2008, 05:44:32 am: Quote from: BengalTiger on October 05, 2008, 04:45:20 am
So it's an ML-16 with a shorter barrel and perhaps a battery mounted in the rear then...

To me it looks like [V] took the ML-16 and turned it around so that the back end serves as the barrel, and then they added some other details, namely a cover to make it look different.

Quote from: BengalTiger on October 05, 2008, 04:45:20 am
And why do they still use bullets? Are they some kind of light slugs (mini-Maxim)?[/color]

The whining sound you hear when they open fire could be coming from it that big gun that the woman marine holds. I'd associate that with an autoloader or something for a minigun (that said, I know nothing much about real guns). After she kills the big Shivan, the whining sound stops, so maybe it is generated by that gun?

But I've just been watching the cutscene again. Does the ML-16 type weapon have a slow or high rate of fire? When you see the woman marine firing her gun before she shouts 'DIEEEE!', you can see the barrel firing at a slow rate.

IIRC I think someone on this forum in an earlier thread said the Shivan that exploded was possibly hit by an AP grenade. Maybe the weapon she has has a sort of underslung grenade launcher? That may make some sense... But the expoding Shivan could be explained by a natural self-destruct mechanism Shivans might have for use when they die.

Maybe it's a big shotgun? The short-barrelled weapons the other marines use seem to of the be of the rapid firing machine gun type. Using a shotgun would make sense if you assume that a ship's hull could be easily penetrated by solid slug type ammo (Shivan fighter hulls, at least, aren't that strong, not sure about freighters). But then, not all the marines are using the same weapon.

Just some random thoughts.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: NGTM-1R on October 06, 2008, 08:29:39 pm: The weapon the woman had, to me, appeared to be some sort of squad support grenade launcher, because the Shivan took a hit and there was an explosion, hence my previous comment it apparently took an AP grenade to outright stop one. (Though, to be fair, the other weapons seem to have done a decent job given enough time.)

I've made the observation before that the marines probably went in with less-powerful-than-normal weapons because ships are not designed to have firefights inside their hulls, and you could riddle something of interest with bullets, making it much less interesting. I imagine this would no longer be the case.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: eliex on October 06, 2008, 08:49:09 pm: The ship design should have included posting like 15 robot-controlled turrets around the docking points of a ship, and then there goes the question of a successful boarding team - unless they chuck a very powerful grenade or something like that.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mongoose on October 06, 2008, 10:55:02 pm: I've always wondered exactly how Command handled that boarding situation after the initial squad got taken out. Did they simply send a significantly larger number of troops, or was there some sort of robotic alternative they could have turned to?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 06, 2008, 11:04:18 pm: I think 50 or so heavily armored marines with rocket launcher equivalents would have been considerably more effective.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: eliex on October 06, 2008, 11:13:29 pm: Quote from: Mongoose on October 06, 2008, 10:55:02 pm
I've always wondered exactly how Command handled that boarding situation after the initial squad got taken out. Did they simply send a significantly larger number of troops, or was there some sort of robotic alternative they could have turned to?

Command brief usually says that the ship-that-is-going-to-be-boarded only contains skeleton crew.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 07, 2008, 02:37:27 am: Isn't that from INFR1, elie?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Snail on October 07, 2008, 02:01:38 pm: Well, it's also in the shipyard 'Relentless' mission.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: ssmit132 on October 11, 2008, 06:31:42 am: But then in Sol: A History the Terra can be captured by the Jovians, and I'm sure it had more than just a skeleton crew on it. Of course, it's non-canon.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 11, 2008, 11:39:54 am: If you think about it, it's certainly possible to capture nearly anything, it's just a risk / benefit analysis, and it would take far more than 15 minutes in real life.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: NGTM-1R on October 11, 2008, 01:23:21 pm: Quote from: Mars on October 11, 2008, 11:39:54 am
If you think about it, it's certainly possible to capture nearly anything, it's just a risk / benefit analysis, and it would take far more than 15 minutes in real life.

Depends. From the interior appearances of FS warships (we have a few :v: renders), they appear to be relatively open in their main corridors and have little available cover. If you take the thing at all, you had better do it fast, because the interior layout means given just a little time to prepare the defenders could easily make the approach to any critical area a killing zone.

Given the decentralized nature of the ship, though, you must seize at least four areas to control it, assuming they are like modern warships (if they are like, say, late WW2 ships, the number actually goes up). Bridge, for controlling the ship's propulsion and course. CIC, for control of weapons and sensors. Engineering spaces (this could be multiple areas, and probably is on larger ships) for ensuring the safety of the ship's propulsion. And lastly, main magazine (or magazines!) so that nobody detonates it and kills you all. You do not need to sweep the whole ship clean of opposition to control the key functions, so you could take the key areas and then jump it somewhere safer to finish removing the crew.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Snail on October 11, 2008, 06:24:16 pm: IMO if the engine crew don't agree with the bridge crew they'd be able to manually turn off or otherwise lock the engines. Or else it'd be way too easy to seize control of the bridge of the GTVSXJ Super-Invincible-Ra-Atum and crash it into a sun or something.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Flipside on October 11, 2008, 10:14:17 pm: Isn't the ML16 listed as a 'sidearm' in the weapons table iirc?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Droid803 on October 11, 2008, 10:25:00 pm: Yeah, so is the Subach.
I've always taken it to mean "standard issue weapon everyone gets"
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Admiral_Stones on October 12, 2008, 06:40:13 am: Quote from: TrashMan on October 04, 2008, 10:47:33 am
Querry:

1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?

2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

Well, if they ARE carrying ML-16, which are lasers, they would not be pushed back. Photons have IIRC no mass AT ALL. No mass, no kinetic impact. And AFAIK no recoil?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Spicious on October 12, 2008, 06:51:28 am: Photons do have momentum and energy though.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Admiral_Stones on October 12, 2008, 06:53:42 am: What does that mean?
I guess when using photons the only damage you can get is thermal, as holding your hand into, say, the HERCULES laser would probably scorch but not push it.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mongoose on October 12, 2008, 04:11:12 pm: Photons also tend to travel at, y'know, the speed of light. :p
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Admiral_Stones on October 12, 2008, 05:13:28 pm: What? Light travels at speed of light?

Nah sorry. What do you mean by that comment?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 12, 2008, 06:46:07 pm: y'know, the speed of light, 299,792,458 meters in a second?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 12, 2008, 06:59:05 pm: As in... you know... faster than 300 ms^-1
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Droid803 on October 12, 2008, 07:02:07 pm: Then they don't actually shoot photons.
(and for the record, the ML-16 shoots at 450ms^-1)
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Admiral_Stones on October 12, 2008, 07:17:41 pm: Oh. I dind't understand in which context you meant that.

Well, what exactly IS realistic in FS? Tech Descr. says it's an argon gas laser. Laser = Light, right?
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 12, 2008, 07:29:17 pm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser

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The term "laser" is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

Laser= EM waves, not as in neccesarily light.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 12, 2008, 07:40:54 pm: Well, it does amplify light, right? :nervous:
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mongoose on October 12, 2008, 08:35:05 pm: Quote from: pecenipicek on October 12, 2008, 07:29:17 pm
Laser= EM waves, not as in neccesarily light.
Any part of the EM spectrum is light...just not necessarily the visible variety. :p

And what I meant is that, despite the tech description, the ML-16 is in no way a laser. The closest realistic approximation one could make to what it actually is would be some sort of constrained bursts of superheated plasma.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 12, 2008, 08:36:58 pm: i think we can just write it off as "magical pink flying ponies make it work" :p
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 12, 2008, 08:47:28 pm: ...or sugar power... :nervous:
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: pecenipicek on October 12, 2008, 08:48:14 pm: shush. dont let em know about the sugar or all the plans are ruined.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Admiral_Stones on October 12, 2008, 08:59:25 pm: Quote from: pecenipicek on October 12, 2008, 07:29:17 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser

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The term "laser" is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

Laser= EM waves, not as in neccesarily light.

Laser DOES equal to light. Then, there are uvasers, xasers and so on. Maybe even infrared? But strangely, irasers sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on October 12, 2008, 09:18:01 pm: Irasers sounds like erasers. :drevil:
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Admiral_Stones on October 13, 2008, 04:57:30 am: ^^^ = Familiar :lol:
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 13, 2008, 08:45:38 am: the iRazer
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 13, 2008, 08:59:01 am: The next Apple face shaving product no doubt.

Scream as your face is ripped, but dance to the ting-tings while you do it.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Wobble73 on October 13, 2008, 10:24:33 am: Quote from: Colonol Dekker on October 13, 2008, 08:59:01 am
The next Apple face shaving product no doubt.

Scream as your face is ripped, but dance to the ting-tings while you do it.

Don't know why, but I read that and thought of Little Britain!

(Ting Tong) ;7 :lol:
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Droid803 on October 13, 2008, 11:20:05 am: Pssst. I think you're in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: FreeSpaceFreak on October 13, 2008, 12:45:19 pm: Quote from: Droid803 on October 13, 2008, 11:20:05 am
Pssst. I think you're in the wrong thread.
/me feels ridiculous and hides from his PC

Thanks, I hope not too many people have seen it yet ;)

EDIT: deleted wrong post.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mongoose on October 13, 2008, 01:28:40 pm: Quote from: Droid803 on October 13, 2008, 11:20:05 am
Pssst. I think you're in the wrong thread.
Indeed. Topic pl0x.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Droid803 on October 13, 2008, 01:37:58 pm: :confused: I was referring to a now-deleted post.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mongoose on October 13, 2008, 02:58:18 pm: Regardless, let's try to steer this back to something tangentially related to Terrans and/or Marines. :p
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Commander Zane on October 14, 2008, 01:08:41 am: Quote from: Mongoose on October 13, 2008, 02:58:18 pm
Regardless, let's try to steer this back to something tangentially related to Terrans and/or Marines. :p
Is this good enough for TERRANS and MARINES? ;7

"Jacked up and good to go."
"Gimme something to shoot."
"Let's move!"
"It says...'Press any key...' well...which one's the 'Any key?!'"

"You know who the best starfighter in the fleet is..."
"Your's truly."
"I am invincible, that's right."
"I have got to get me one of these."

"Go ahead Tac-Com."
"Nav-Con locked."

"Battlecruiser operational."
;7
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: NGTM-1R on October 14, 2008, 07:05:22 am: Quote from: Spicious on October 12, 2008, 06:51:28 am
Photons do have momentum and energy though.

Laser weapon still should not have notable kinetic impact. And we see sparks being struck from a Shivan at one point, which suggests a solid-shot projectile.

My current theory is that the weapons we see in Hallfight, with their oversized bores, fire a subcalibur projectile but do so essentially frictionlessly via magentics. The barrel is so large because the round's not actually in contact with it.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Turey on October 14, 2008, 11:52:29 am: Quote from: NGTM-1R on October 14, 2008, 07:05:22 am
My current theory is that the weapons we see in Hallfight, with their oversized bores, fire a subcalibur projectile but do so essentially frictionlessly via magentics. The barrel is so large because the round's not actually in contact with it.

This be my favourite theory so far.
Title: Re: Terran Marines
Post by: Mars on October 14, 2008, 01:09:40 pm: It would also explain why they have such little effect on shivans. Such low mass projectiles would have little momentum