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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Droid803 on October 15, 2008, 11:50:14 pm
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Alright, so I was doing some thread digging, and this one http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,32301.0.html kinda perked my interest. Combined with some random reading on Wikipedia, my interest has spiked as to the state of colonization of the planets in the Solar System as of the time of FreeSpace 1. (FS2 will be an entirely new can of worms which I'm not going to open).
I'm most interested as of the state of Mars. As in, how is it colonized, if at all? Does it simply have some Arcadias ringed around it? Or are there involved surface colonies and possibly terraforming?
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Probably a load of Domed habitats and underground structures; Like in Babylon 5.
Arcadias and the like probably orbit the planet as well...
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Terraformed/Vasuformed planets? (yey, new word!)
Mars might be Terra 2, Arcadia stations around the gas giants to oversee gas mining operations, asteroid mining in the inner and outer asteroid belts, Pluto being re-classified as planet, the remnants of Vulcan being towed away from the sun and reshaped into a mobile base of operations...or maybe using large asteroids to become mobile field bases (might be how Bosch got the idea to camouflage the Iceni like an Asteroid). Who knows? Anything is possible; we do not know how far things have gone with the whole colonization business.
AFAIK the Terrans colonized only planets that are Earthlike, or like one. It is a rather interesting topic, though.I need to awaken my brains to get a good answer up other than this one (something more plausible than what I have uttered up thre, at least)
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Yea, I'd think that Mars would either be partially terraformed, or people living in domed cities.
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One of the FS2 planet bitmaps is a terraformed Mars. Maybe the GTA moved the entire planet out of Sol before the Lucifer's node collapsing explosion.
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Strange comment for an INFA team member :wtf: :P
I guess there will be many structures on the surface and possibly underground. I'm not sure, however, if there will be some kind of terraforming
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Strange comment for an INFA team member :wtf: :P
I guess there will be many structures on the surface and possibly underground. I'm not sure, however, if there will be some kind of terraforming
Maybe they created an exact copy of Mars and moved the new copy out of Sol...
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Come on, be serious... :P
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Sorry...
Well, has there actually been any canon evidence to support that the PVN/GTA are able to terraform planets, or is it just fanon?
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It's fanon
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Wow. I guess it proves that Mars really does hate fanon with such a passion he will strike it down with a fury this world has never witnessed.
A reply within 17 seconds. Impressive.
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Back on topic: I'm quite sure that Mars and lots of moons have been colonized. It would be a shame to go to other star systems while leaving your own unexploited; Sol will always have that 'home' feeling to us Terrans. So in 2335, I think the Earth is overcrowded and Mars - being more suitable than the Moon - is being terraformed (which is a process taking centuries, if not millennia AFAIK).
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It's a pretty logical fanon, IMO. Maybe they can't do what we intend with pure terraforming but they might do something similar.
I hard believe the planets colonized in TV space are ALL similar to either Earth or Vasuda Prime...
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So how's life in Mars, Mars? And how are the cities like?
Anyway...
There's nothing said about Sol colonisation. Only outside of Sol, that there have been 12-14 or so successful colonisations outside Sol. But nothing said of Sol, so we can assume it was exploited well at that time?
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The Moon, Mars and several satellites must have been colonized.
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Wow. I guess it proves that Mars really does hate fanon with such a passion he will strike it down with a fury this world has never witnessed.
A reply within 17 seconds. Impressive.
Well you asked. I didn't say it was illogical or even improbable. I think it's quite likely in the context of FS2 that non-terran planets are colonized, however, there's no real evidence to back it up. I suppose some of the planet backgrounds appear to have cities on them, but they might just be desert terran planets.
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It's fanon like pretty much everything about the Ancients.
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Well, we could technically start terraforming Mars right now if you really wanted to. Start bombarding it with CFCs and/or ammonia from asteroids/comets (providing buffer gas AND hydrogen), then bombard it with algal spores once the temperature rises.
At least that was how it was outlined.
Apparently, "terraforming technology" isn't really the limiting factor. It's the lack of dedication, funding, and a means of efficient rapid transport. Let's say, the fact that we have no subspace makes it impossible to import large quantities of materials from Jupiter.
I'm saying this because the bitmap I have for Mars is...exactly like it is today...
This means I'll probably have to shop in a few cities at the very least, or add some terraforming look.
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Well, we could technically start terraforming Mars right now if you really wanted to. Start bombarding it with CFCs and/or ammonia from asteroids/comets (providing buffer gas AND hydrogen), then bombard it with algal spores once the temperature rises.
At least that was how it was outlined.
Apparently, "terraforming technology" isn't really the limiting factor. It's the lack of dedication, funding, and a means of efficient rapid transport. Let's say, the fact that we have no subspace makes it impossible to import large quantities of materials from Jupiter.
I'm saying this because the bitmap I have for Mars is...exactly like it is today...
This means I'll probably have to shop in a few cities at the very least, or add some terraforming look.
Terraforming tech is pretty neat: we need to figure out how to get millions of tonnes of resources to actually do it. And yeah--without a subspace of sorts, we're in for a very hard time getting resources from somewhere completely inhospitable to somewhere we can make hospitable.
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I'm saying this because the bitmap I have for Mars is...exactly like it is today...
This means I'll probably have to shop in a few cities at the very least, or add some terraforming look.
That'd be nice...INFA's Mars bitmap has no cities on the surface.. :(
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With the current rate, the entire human population would be around 10-15 billion, and would have been spread over a vast number of systems, or reduced by war. IMO, Capella must be highly rich in resources to have
millions of refugees from Capella
Although, from Capella might have been people from both the Terrans and Vasudans.
I guess that only Mars might have only 15/20 large cities spread around the poles where there's water.
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You mean 10-15 billion?
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You can't really see our cities from outer space currently. They are too small to notice without significant zoom. I doubt colonies on Mars would be any bigger than the original cities so don't put them on the bitmap. Put some green filters on some spots to make terraformation show.
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You can't really see our cities from outer space currently.
At night?
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Planet bitmaps tend to prefer the day over the night, if you know what I mean.
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Planet bitmaps tend to prefer the day over the night, if you know what I mean.
Which is a pity since having the dark side of a planet, with lights and stuff, would be really cool.
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I agree. It'd be easier to create, too.
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(http://srv0204-06.sjc3.imeem.com/g/p/ba0b3c86f75314e6c7b73ad557c89ad9_web.jpg)
(http://www.visualpharm.com/wallpaper/earth_at_the_night_1024x768.jpg)
OK.
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Oooh...Italy... *_*
Can someone please turn the second pic into a bitmap? I think I can edit the first one...
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You just have to map the second one to a sphere and render it or something. :nod:
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Then apply an atmosphere glow and clouds.
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And remove the text? :rolleyes:
Quite frankly, I don't think I can take care of the first pic. Replacing all black parts with green, transparent ones will result in a stupid effect(cities floating in space, :wtf:?)...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Mars
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Yeah, I already made planet bitmaps out of pictures in that article :D
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Yeah, I already made planet bitmaps out of pictures in that article :D
They're huge. I tried to do them on a skybox but I ****ed up.
I can never do anything right. :(
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After trying to get the first one into the game several times I got this one, seems fine when it's small pic but well I got a question...
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/301/screen0053ro7.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0053ro7.jpg)(http://img258.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
I couldn't make it work when the mediavps were selected as mod.
I made a new mission, placed some planet on the background, then saved the image into DDS 1 and renamed it the same and then placed the file on the data/effects folder but to no avail.
It didnt show on the game untill I selected the no mod option.. so.. was there something i was doing wrong?
sorry to bring this up here, just curious.
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I took the second image and turned it into an spere, didnt get the spectacular result I was expecting
(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6566/earthrv3.th.jpg) (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=earthrv3.jpg)(http://img133.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
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Did you make it a square before you mapped it?
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Did you make it a square before you mapped it?
Im not that expert on this subject so I'll just tell you what I did:
Grabbed the original and concealed the text below.
Used the color curve option to get the black and brown look.
Augmented the contrast
Then I used this "Maps" option and turned the image into a sphere.
Saved it on JPG (cause the DDS image itself was to big, this way I make it a flat image i think)
Opened it again and then saved it to DDS and placed on game.
It's very easy to place the sphere on a transparent background but for some reason freespace seems to crash when trying to open the .dds file.
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Got it into a transparent layer, and figured it out to make it work with mediavps ^^
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3390/screen0060vr5.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0060vr5.jpg)(http://img412.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Edit 2:
well I've been working on some moon pic also, here it is, didnt want to make a new post cause I dont want to make a fuss over this wich looks a little crappy also xD
(http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5448/screen0062gy9.th.jpg) (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0062gy9.jpg)(http://img377.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
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Hey, that looks pretty awesome.
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Hey, that looks pretty awesome.
^^
got the files right here, if someone needs them, just make the call.
Do any of you happen to have some good Europa shot?... I mean the moon, I would like to try that out.
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I'm pretty interested on them, they might be used in INFA...the Europa one would also be welcome... :)
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Mars and Phobos
I find it hard to make the edges of the planets look good... If any of you have an idea, please share!
Mars and phobos 1:
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7514/screen0064pl8.th.jpg) (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0064pl8.jpg)(http://img530.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Mars and phobos (smaller) 2:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3567/screen0065ma9.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0065ma9.jpg)(http://img513.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Im sending you the copies mobius, Ill try getting a better mars for the next week If I have the spare time I've been having lately ^^
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I'm rather torn between sharing my skybox textures for terraformed, Moon, terraformed Mars, and colonized Pluto, or hoarding them for my mod...
I'm leaning more towards hoarding.
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Keep them for your mod. More unique content for your mod, after all.
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you got a terraformed moon skybox? wich mod is gonna have it? Im diying to see that :D