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Title: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 09, 2008, 04:49:27 pm
FreeSpace Wiki Campaign List (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_List)

Reliable and constantly updated list of mods and campaigns.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Droid803 on November 09, 2008, 04:52:44 pm
Ohh...you're compiling a list. Nice.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: CP5670 on November 09, 2008, 05:29:17 pm
Good idea. Stickied.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Nuclear1 on November 09, 2008, 05:47:49 pm
Thank God, we've been needing one of these for the longest time.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on November 09, 2008, 06:38:05 pm
Great initiative.

You might want to check there :

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Narwhal%27s_Campaign_List

Yes, I am preaching for my church, as we say in France.

Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: karajorma on November 09, 2008, 06:55:35 pm
Okay, I know it was in small lettering but some of you need to learn to read. :p
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Droid803 on November 09, 2008, 06:57:35 pm
I posted before the lettering came up though!
(I know that really doesn't change anything)
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on November 09, 2008, 06:58:48 pm
I didn't, but my post could actually help.
And it was shameless advertissement also, I admit.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Jeff Vader on November 10, 2008, 02:26:01 am
On a completely related note: since it has been done at FreeSpaceMods, should this list also make a difference between campaigns that work just fine with retail FS2 and campaigns that require FSO?

Edit: On an even more related note, Phantoms/Echo Gate (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,45043.0.html) for FSPort. Wait, you seem to have it there already, but Shivans is an FSPort campaign. Or campaigns. Trust me.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 10, 2008, 11:59:53 am
Taskforce panda? :confused:
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2008, 12:24:27 pm
Lobo: Yes, it should. I'm sorry if a few campaigns for the FS Port are a bit messed up, they were all under the name "FreeSpace 2" in the first place. I'd also like someone to help me out with the FSO/Retail campaigns.

I can't find the a)BtRL Demo, b) INFR1, c)S:AH and d) all ITDoH other than 4 release threads...where are they?

Colonel Dekker: What?
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Colonol Dekker on November 10, 2008, 12:27:04 pm
It was about a deimos and escorts cut off from the gtva.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2008, 12:48:41 pm
If it has a thread on HLP, GW, SG or any other FS fan base post the link here...
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Jeff Vader on November 10, 2008, 12:58:57 pm
Just checked and the following campaigns under Retail FreeSpace 2/FreeSpace 2 SCP are also actually FSPort campaigns: Hellgate Ikeya, Rain on Ribos 4, The Light of Antares and What If - Another Great War.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2008, 01:05:26 pm
Done.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: achtung on November 10, 2008, 04:41:09 pm
Awesome!

I managed to find a couple campaigns I didn't have on FSMods.net in this thread.  :D

Go look in the downloads (http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php) section of fsmods, I know I noticed a couple not on your list.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 10, 2008, 04:53:58 pm
I'll take a look, no problem.... :)
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Macfie on November 11, 2008, 05:00:48 am
Instead of creating a new thread why don't you update the FreeSpace Wiki so the information is in one central location?
There are only four release threads for ITDOH.  The fifth has not been released, there is an unofficial release floating around for the Hammer Falls, which is a part of the fifth chapter. 
BTRL is on Game wardens site.    http://www.game-warden.com/bsg/demo.html

InfR1, and SAH are on Freespace mods
InfR1  http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.95
InfR1 SCP patch v1.15  http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.95
SAH http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.56
SAH upgraded version http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.108
Solar Wars  http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.209
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: starlord on November 11, 2008, 06:33:50 am
Simple question: what about the centaur project? Does that count?
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: karajorma on November 13, 2008, 09:30:23 am
Hmmmmmm. Looks like just about everyone misunderstood how I had actually meant for this to work.

My original idea was simply to have the list as a bunch of forum posts. Every time someone released a campaign they'd simply post on the list topic with a link to their release thread (Preferably with signatures disabled). No posts other than a release would be allowed. Therefore no maintenance and new users can simply scroll down the thread and pick a campaign. Once running it would also serve as a rough chronological guide to when campaigns were released.

Instead what we've got is a list maintained by a single user. That might seem like a great idea at first but it swiftly turns into a maintenance PITA. Right now if you submit a campaign you now have to wait until Mobius comes along and adds it to the list. Which basically makes the list almost the same as the wiki but with only one person able to edit it. (Or an admin/moderator but think again if you think I'm going to be paying attention to any PMs sent my way to add stuff to the list. :p )

Instead of having a system that allows such a list to be made and grow without burdening a person or small group with the task of controlling it we've got the exact opposite now.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: KappaWing on November 13, 2008, 10:22:03 am
I agree with Kara. Thats the problem that happened with Skippy's campaign list. When Skippy became inactive, everyone kept relying on his list while it was long out-of date.
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 12:36:24 pm
I agree. :nod:

That list is also an easy way to solve campaign bugs and read other people's opinions about plots and such. You have a problem other people have surely experienced? No problem: read the campaign release thread and look for a quick solution. I also accept links to campaign release threads in SG, GW and other FreeSpace fan sites - there's no reason to keep them out from the list.

One more thing: Moderators and Administrators can always add a link and a small description to the list, if possible. Giving the thread-specific purpose of this thread, however, it'll be pretty hard to miss a lot of stuff. Campaign release threads are pretty rare. ;)

EDIT: First post of the main thread edited.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Rodo on November 13, 2008, 12:53:53 pm
could you guys switch colors of the letters between different campaigns, it gets kind of difficult to understand from which download link Im reading the description, author and requirements.
Im guessing the new ones will face the same problem and might get confused.

by the way  :yes: to the list
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 01:05:11 pm
I see...I'm separating the campaigns... :nod:

EDIT: Done...  :)
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on November 13, 2008, 01:13:15 pm
NOTE:  Please don't add this to the first post yet.  It's a work in progress.   Just wanted to save it before I hit the wrong key. 



The Babylon Project

Achen Schooling Flight (http://proxima-fleet.com/files/download.php?id=11)

Author: Vidmaster

Requirements: TBP

Learn the skills to survive in battle!


Awakening the Beast Demo

Author: Orph3u5

Requirements: TBP

??????????


The Black Hand - First Steps Into The Abyss (http://proxima-fleet.com/wo/tbh/downloads.html)

Author: Orph3u5

Requirements: TBP

The Corps is the mother, the corps is the father. And you, as Maximilian Locke, are an obedient son.... but the universe is full of surprises...


Dark Children (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,51737.0.html)

Author: Vidmaster

Requirements: TBP

Start the Slaughtering!


Drums of War Trilogy (http://proxima-fleet.com/wo/tbh/downloads.html)

Author: Orph3u5

Requirements: TBP

It's 2262 and the newly formed Insterstellar Alliance is waging war against the Centauri Republic... It's a war of shadows and deception; Do you know who plays the of drums of war?


Earth Alliance Training

Author: madaboutgames

Requirements: TBP

?????????


Earth Brakiri War (http://www.heatemup.co.uk/)

Author: madaboutgames

Requirements: TBP

A 26 mission non-linear campaign Where Earth And the Brakiri go to war


Earth Minbari War Demo

Author: The Babylon Project

Requirements: TBP (Included in 3.4b)

A mini-campaign covering the final days of the Earth Minbari war.


Fortune Hunters Trilogy (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,52151.0.html)

Author: Vidmaster

Requirements: TBP Inferno build.

Save the Galaxy!


Infestation

Author: madaboutgames

Requirements: TBP

?????????


Operations (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55792.0.htmll)

Author: Vidmaster

Requirements: TBP

Be a part of Clark's Elite.


Raider Wars

Author: The Babylon Project

Requirements: TBP (Included in 3.4b)

President Santiago dispatches a task force to battle raiders in the Altair system.


Star Fury Pilot

Author: madaboutgames

Requirements: TBP

?????????


Survivor

Author: madaboutgames

Requirements: TBP

?????????


Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: karajorma on November 13, 2008, 01:36:00 pm
One more thing: Moderators and Administrators can always add a link and a small description to the list, if possible.

I'll tell you for free that I won't be doing that. My entire point is that I won't be doing that and I'll back up any other mod or admin who says "Get stuffed" to anyone PMing them to do that. Getting PMs to add campaigns to a list is a needless, stupid annoyance.  The entire point of my post was that we should AVOID needless, stupid annoyances.

Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 01:39:26 pm
Well, I agree. Someone might choose to help, like Turey and Swantz...they have mod powers in this board.
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: karajorma on November 13, 2008, 01:41:54 pm
If they're stupid enough to willingly get drawn into an idiotic and unnecessary task then so be it. I can't imagine why they wouldn't have better things to do though.
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 01:43:36 pm
Right...it takes only a few seconds to add a campaign so certain mods would like to get involved, at least partially. It's up to them.

I'm modifying the first post to tell people to avoid sending PMs.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: chief1983 on November 13, 2008, 01:48:54 pm
Wow, I thought this was kind of neat for all of two seconds, until I remembered there's a wiki page set up for this exact purpose.  Seriously, why duplicate the effort?  Anyone can edit the wiki, if you don't know how, you can find anyone who can, not all of two or three people to do it for you.  Or you can learn how without needing to bother anyone at all.
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 01:58:50 pm
The point is that only a few members check the Wiki. Most people ask for help in the forums while they can easily find the answers they need in the Wiki. A simple list in the forums would surely focus the attention of the most...also:


That list is also an easy way to solve campaign bugs and read other people's opinions about plots and such. You have a problem other people have surely experienced? No problem: read the campaign release thread and look for a quick solution. I also accept links to campaign release threads in SG, GW and other FreeSpace fan sites - there's no reason to keep them out from the list.


The Wiki is a better tool but it's not as immediate or reachable as a stickied thread in Missions and Campaigns.

There's nothing to be worried about if a campaign isn't added immediately to the list.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 02:01:13 pm
What about the ones that don't have links? Are they WIP or something?

EDIT: Other campaigns don't link to campaign release threads...
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: chief1983 on November 13, 2008, 02:08:44 pm
Why not just refer to the wiki list in the forum then?  Instead of putting yet more information that should be in the wiki, in the forum instead?  You have to put information in the wiki and draw attention to it for people to use it.  There's nothing wrong with replying to a question with, 'The answer you seek is in this Wiki article...'
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on November 13, 2008, 04:17:49 pm
What about the ones that don't have links? Are they WIP or something?

EDIT: Other campaigns don't link to campaign release threads...


I'm still working on it I just go interrupted.  I'll let you know when the list is done.  I got the easy stuff in there but now I have to do some digging for the rest.
Title: Re: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 13, 2008, 04:37:46 pm
Why not just refer to the wiki list in the forum then?  Instead of putting yet more information that should be in the wiki, in the forum instead?  You have to put information in the wiki and draw attention to it for people to use it.  There's nothing wrong with replying to a question with, 'The answer you seek is in this Wiki article...'

I have already added a link to the Wiki Campaign list.

I don't see the problem, though - I posted all the campaigns I could find in Mission and Campaigns...basically most of the stuff that is in circulation.

Yeah, the most appropriate idea would be to have a stickied thread with a direct link to the Wiki campaign list(we have it, in fact) but still I think threads have their importance for multiple reasons. Chief, you can't find hints and quick bug fixes in the Wiki. I'm afraid campaign pages aren't even updated enough to have that kind of info...and they don't cover plot related stuff.

FUBAR-BDHR: No problem, I'll wait... :)


EDIT: I made the link to the Campaign List even bigger to emphasize its presence.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: chief1983 on November 13, 2008, 05:09:57 pm
What ensures that this can/will be updated any more rapidly?  If you want it updated, update it!  It's a Wiki FFS!  Wikipedia articles are some of the most rapidly updated content on the internet, because it's EASY to do it.  All it takes is more people telling other people to put it on the wiki.  It's one thing to make a whole article yourself, but when it's already there and it just needs a little copy and paste for a quick addition, come on, that's way easier, and there's no reason this should be any easier than the Wiki.  It's just some retarded stigma people have in their heads about it.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: eliex on November 13, 2008, 10:18:48 pm
The Wiki isn't hard to navigate at all.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: karajorma on November 14, 2008, 02:11:17 am
Well this isn't working. :rolleyes:

Unstickied.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on November 14, 2008, 02:46:03 am
You linked to a campaign list of the wiki, but there are actually 4 of them. You took a not-so-complete one.

The most complete is this one :

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Narwhal%27s_Campaign_List

 I tried to regroup the 3 of them (50% of the campaign listed) and then add all the campaigns I could find. My aim was to actually have one list instead of 3 (it failed as of now, so now we have 4 lists instead   ;) ) and also to have a REALLY up-to-date and comprehensive one (I believe this is a success).


And yet, this list is my "little baby", that's why I post it everywhere  :P
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 14, 2008, 12:49:02 pm
What ensures that this can/will be updated any more rapidly?  If you want it updated, update it!  It's a Wiki FFS!  Wikipedia articles are some of the most rapidly updated content on the internet, because it's EASY to do it.  All it takes is more people telling other people to put it on the wiki.  It's one thing to make a whole article yourself, but when it's already there and it just needs a little copy and paste for a quick addition, come on, that's way easier, and there's no reason this should be any easier than the Wiki.  It's just some retarded stigma people have in their heads about it.

Believe me, I'd agree with you if only the Wiki was widely used. It's unknown to the most...only the forums are quite crowded(I refer to newcomers, they're the ones who need directives).


IMO everything we need is as stickied thread here that links to the Wiki Campaign List. That'll surely be helpful. I can edit the first post...
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mongoose on November 14, 2008, 02:50:04 pm
If the Wiki is unknown to newcomers...then link them to it when they ask about something that's covered by it!  There's no harm at all in linking a newbie to a Wiki page and asking them to follow up with any questions they have after reading it.  That's how you encourage someone to take advantage of information that's already compiled, and it serves the dual purpose of introducing them to the Wiki as a general resource.

Besides all of that, given the amount of questions in the Support forum asking about issues that are clearly answered in the stickied threads, it's fairly evident that most newbies don't read stickies to begin with. :p
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Jeff Vader on November 14, 2008, 02:54:21 pm
Besides all of that, given the amount of questions in the Support forum asking about issues that are clearly answered in the stickied threads, it's fairly evident that most newbies don't read stickies to begin with. :p
Actually, I believe it is the number of stickied threads that affects the newbies. Originally there were like ten stickies on the Support board and people kept asking about OpenAL not found and such. I did some rearrangement, leaving one sticky with installation instructions and another with answers to the most common issues. And it would seem that people are asking the obvious questions considerably less often.

That, and the fact that I try to redirect mod-specific questions to the release threads or boards of the mods in question.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 14, 2008, 02:55:20 pm
Well, campaigns are a different thing. They should attract more attention...

And believe me, certain threads are full to links to the Wiki. Maybe we should have something other than a link between "Forums" and "FreeSpace Open Installer" to let people know about the Wiki.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: chief1983 on November 14, 2008, 04:36:22 pm
Mobius, that's my point, if the Wiki isn't widely known it's because of people starting stuff like this on the forums instead of the Wiki and then promoting that.  Perhaps the redesign of the front page could take the Wiki into account and include some more links to it on there.  But all these guides on the forums really ought to be in the Wiki instead, the only problem there was when a guide included images.  Really though, saying the Wiki isn't known about is like saying 64bit isn't used so we'll just keep on doing 32bit.  It takes initiative to make the transition, it doesn't just happen.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on November 17, 2008, 11:10:53 am
I totally agree with you - I think I made a couple of proposals in the past year and a half.

The Wiki is pretty unknown because of its poor linking. There's a link between "Forums" and "FSO Installer"...nope, it wouldn't work this way.

Also, newcomers wouldn't think the FreeSpace Wiki has a Campaign List - most(possibly all?) fan Wikis have nothing but canon info. I think a stickied(and locked too) thread in Mission and Campaigns with a direct link to the Campaign List is what we need. What do you think? It'd be easy to do.
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: utops on March 22, 2009, 08:00:57 am
Hi...
Maybe someone of the moderation group stick this thread high?

That will be nice and handy  :yes:
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on March 22, 2009, 08:35:38 am
It's not necessary. Check this (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_List) article. :)
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mobius on March 22, 2009, 08:41:48 am
I've just edited the first post by removing everything, link to the Campaign List excluded.

Now that I think of it, it'd be nice to split the topic, leave only the first post, and then lock it. :)
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Lucika on March 22, 2009, 12:35:08 pm
According to the list, ST:R isn't released yet.
Strange... I already played something with that name... plagium?
Title: Re: Released Campaigns
Post by: Mongoose on March 22, 2009, 01:04:44 pm
According to the list, ST:R isn't released yet.
Strange... I already played something with that name... plagium?
Firstly, you're looking for "plagiarism."  And secondly, ever consider that someone has to make the effort to update the list when it becomes out-of-date, and that when someone doesn't, as in this case, it's simply out-of-date? :p