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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Titan on December 02, 2008, 03:08:51 pm
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Ok, this dilemma stems from Ragnarok, which i'm still hard at work on. I need a bunch of things answered, first and foremost:
I wanna change the leviathan's length to something more sensible (its currently at like 50 meters) does 250 sound good (The length of a SW lancer frigate)
i also need any info on what happened during the reconstruction era
any info on the SOC
and any info on the NTC Maelstrom and it's history (yeah, i have something big planned for one of the least important ships in the game)
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The Wiki is pretty chocka'block i'd imagine.
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Um... the Leviathan IS 250 meters long.
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say what? so that makes fighters... 40 meters long? :doubt:
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say what? so that makes fighters... 40 meters long? :doubt:
Nope. Fighters IIRC are ~20m long.
But you did give me a great campaign idea for me to not make. :D
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i just mean, leviathans are supposed to house several thousand people, plus all the systems. they should be large compared to fighters. Then, of course, i mean to change the sizes of all capital ships (and the much wanting Elysium...)
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I always thought figters seem pretty big in comparison with cap ships, jus put your perseus next to the leviathan and watch the pilot model against the leviathans (windows?)
well but no one seems to care about that issue, also I think it would require to change all the models already done and working but then again, what do I know about this stuff :P
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well, this is for something i'm WRITING, so i can do anything i want.
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Never make the mistake of assuming FS2 fighters are small. They're all pretty big.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,52268.msg1055007.html#msg1055007
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meh, thats another thing i wanted to bring up. based on known materials, what would be a realistic amount of damage a freespace warhead would do. To an enlarged fenris (ok, lets make it... 300m long.)
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Depends on the warhead.
A Harbinger, which was designed for planetary bombardment should vaporise a Fenris/Leviathan.
The missile warheads are roughly equivalent to most missiles used today,
Cyclops and Tsunami would cripple if not destroy cruiser realistically
Harbingers and Helios are realistically roughly equivalent to a Nuke or H-bomb.
Meson bombs would i'm very sure devestate an entire continent at least
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http://www.merzo.net/
Stop saying FS stuff is not the size it is. Use this to compare to real stuff (it has the Sath somewhere I think), and use FRED to compare between ships (and get measurements).
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well I still thing fighters look a little bigger than they should, hey tnks for the thread link, I didn't knew about -fov command line.
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can't find the sath...
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It's under the -10X section, about a quarter of the way down the page to the right. :)
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Actually, I thought a Meson Bomb could destroy an entire fleet.
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It probably can, given that it has like a...5 km blast radius.
As long as the ships are relatively close together...
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If they can survive the blast wave from a supernova?
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i just mean, leviathans are supposed to house several thousand people
I was under the impression that a cruiser held around 500. Corvettes probably around 1 or 2 thousand. Destroyers 10,000.
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Fenris cruisers are larger than Nimitz class carriers, so a few thousand people aren't a problem.
Deimos Corvettes must be pretty empty
The Colossus must be a ghost town.
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Well, it depends on how you define crew and thus if you count pilots and marines as crewmembers
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Even if there were 1,000 pilots on an Orion, the crew would still just be at 101%
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Well, for Colossus, I believe that the superstructure and engines take a helluva lot place, perhaps over 50% if you ask me. Still, I guess that the crew would have quite some luxurious quarters, at least compared to those on, say, an Orion.
Also, the ships have to be big. Lets not forget that a FS- era Interceptor missile has a payload of 18,5 Kt. 18,5 Kilotons. The Fat Man bomb dropped on Hiroshima had 21 Kt. Now, a Harbringer has 5000 Mt payload - whereas Tzar bomba, the single most powerful bomb on the Earth, had 50 Mt. Do I have to say more ?
My 0,02$.
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If the Orion was susceptible to high yeild blasts, one harbinger would handily take it out. Remember that at 6 gigatons, would be quite sufficient to take out a whole state sized area. The armor in Freespace seems quite resistant to explosives. Making a bigger ship wouldn't do you a whole lot of good.
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I think, realistically, a single Habinger would vapourise almost any ship it hits. Id say anthing below a destroyer would definatelybe vaped. Destroyer, upward could probably survive less than a handful, if not a single warhead...
Also, the meson bomb, would realistically be a near Doomsday-device.
The destructive power of the various bombs was probably toned down for gameplay reasons...or they really do have armour that strong..
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If the Orion were made of steel it would take a nuke with less than 1% of the explosive power of the Harbinger to vaporize it.
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so what do they use? Tritanium or Naquitah (SG1) or some other miracle metal?
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Presumably . . .
Depleted Uranium and collapsed core molybdenum are the only materials mentioned. Consider that a M1A2 can be pretty close to a nuclear blast, and due to its heavy armor, the crew could theoretically survive. It's quite a stretch, but they must be doing something right for anything to take a nuke.
My point is, the Orion isn't big so it can take a 1 GT nuke, because size by itself really doesn't help at that point.
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guys, guys, i just said, i think FS weps do WAY too much damage, but warships also TAKE way to much damage (scientifically speaking) Maybbe it's just hard for me to comprehend how big a boom a nuke makes, but ships surving KILOTONS of explosives? It just is illogical.
And by the way, if nobody had noticed, in those pics comparing freespace ships to real life ships, look at the one with the ursas on the carrier, and then look at the people standing on the deck, THEN look at the ursa's cockpit.
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The cockpits are a bit large . . .
er than an F-18
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Did anyone consider the fact that FS era ships can withstand such massive explosions beacause of the colapsed core molybdenum and stuff like that and the masive ships are massive just because they have say 3 or 4 m of armour to them perhaps even more.
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The cockpits are a bit large . . .
er than an F-18
Remember that to be honest, the only official cockpit is the Apollo one from the FS1 intro (I'm not really mentioning the FS2 intro, because it's so inconsistent with any other canon material that it should be IMHO treated only as an artistic view). The SCP models with cockpits are NOT canon. Is it possible that while creating the cockpits, somebody just made a mistake and up-scaled them ?
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say what? so that makes fighters... 40 meters long? :doubt:
Well the biggest canon fighter/bomber is the GTB Ursa. They are 45 metres long nose to engine output.
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guys, guys, i just said, i think FS weps do WAY too much damage, but warships also TAKE way to much damage (scientifically speaking) Maybbe it's just hard for me to comprehend how big a boom a nuke makes, but ships surving KILOTONS of explosives? It just is illogical.
Fighters shrug off kilotons of explosives with no trouble. The Colossus can shrug off over a Teraton.
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Remember that a hurricane is a manifestation of thousands of times the energy of every nuclear device in the world, and yet structures can withstand a hurricane. Type of energy is almost as important as scale of energy. Hell, maybe the Orion's made of neutronium
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Remember that to be honest, the only official cockpit is the Apollo one from the FS1 intro (I'm not really mentioning the FS2 intro, because it's so inconsistent with any other canon material that it should be IMHO treated only as an artistic view). The SCP models with cockpits are NOT canon. Is it possible that while creating the cockpits, somebody just made a mistake and up-scaled them ?
So we should use the FS1 intro Apollo for scale? If you then compare the stock models, we should get an idea of how big an Ursa really is.
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That's an ok estimation, but doesn't a table file in fs or fs2 hold craft length? Between the two a realistic size estimate should be able to be gained.
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The size is written in the tables. You can see the sizes on all player allowed fighters and bombers.