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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: ShadowGorrath on December 03, 2008, 01:09:21 am
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I was wondering- how can the Vasudans organise stuff, when VGT is 32+ hours, and TGT is 24 hours? I mean, unless they have some convertion for it, or standardised version, I can imagine how the zods would be late for every battle.
Also, is it said anywhere on how many hours in total is VGT?
( VGT - Vasudan Galactic Time; TGT - Terran Galactic Time )
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I think standard time is based on the length of tthe day on your race's homeworld.
TGT = Earth Time - thus 24 hour's a day
Obviousy there will be various different local times
VGT works the same way, except there 34(Speculation) hours in a day
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TGT = Earth Time - thus 24 hour's a day
So does that mean all of Earth has just one timezone? How is the time difference calculated for the offworld colonies/space stations/whatever?
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im sure they have a local time for each region and a zulu time ( a standard military based time zone that is fixed )
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Given the way the Vasudan language works I wouldn't be surprised if Vasudan Galactic Time was calculated based on the number of rotations of the Vasudan moon per orbit of the star around the Galactic center divided by the number of hairs on the Emperor's head.
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:nervous: Do fishheads have HAIRS?
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Headz, maybe? :nervous:
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Where is it ever said that Vasudans have 32 hour time?
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In the command briefing of SM2-07 the time 3230 is given. This lead to the conclusion that Vasudan Galactic Time consists of at least 32 hours (note that ShadowGorrath did say 32+).
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Perhaps it could be 3230 'ticks' of whatever clock the Vasudans use.
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TGT = Earth Time - thus 24 hour's a day
So does that mean all of Earth has just one timezone? How is the time difference calculated for the offworld colonies/space stations/whatever?
I did say "Various Local Time". Prehaps i should have been clearer and sais "Terran Galactic Time = Earth Standard Time" where EST is based on the time zone in which the GTA govournment is seated. So if the GTA capital is located in the UK, then TGT is the same as Greenrich Mean Time.
I'd imagine that the Terran millitary opporates on TGT as would non-orbital outposts/colonies (Colonies that don't orbit a planet) eg Enif Station, there is no planet in sight, so it opporates on TGT. Moon-based out posts would also opperate on TGT - For Luna (Earth's Moon) a single day is the same as 29.5 Earth days
Planetary bases colonies will opporate on their local standard time, based on where the capital is but also have local time zones - For Examle Mars has almost 25 hours in a day. It the Matian captial is located on Syria Planum, then Martian Standard Time (MST) is based on the meridian running through that Region. Of course mars will still have its own time zones.
Orbital Colonies/Outposts will do 1 of 5 things.
1) Be located in Geosycronous orbit if the planet's rotational cycle is similar to TGT, so id say minimum 20 hours in a day, maximum 28 hours in a day. EG an Earth orbital conolies would be in an orbit that takes 24 hours.
2) If the planet has a very short day (like Jupiter - less than 10 hours in a Jovian Day) then the colony will opperate on TGT
3) If the Planet has a day of 28 - 36 hours, then the orbiting colony will be in an orbit that takes ~24 hours to complete
4) If the planet has a very long day (like Venus - Venus rotates once every 243 days), then the colony will opperate on TGT
5) If the planet 1 or more moons, then the Colonies may be located and the moon's 5 Lagrangian Points (like the colony clusters in Gundam Wing) in which case they will opporate on TGT.
I imagine that the Vasudan military and colonies opporate on a similar basis, just they have 32+ hours in a day. This means that a Terran living on a Vasudan Colony or stationed on a Vasudan ship/outpost will be spend a fortune on coffee and/or Stims until they get used to opperating on Vasudan time
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I'd imagine that TGT is set to GMT.
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Most likely. That creates the least confusion.
Maybe Vasudan Galactic Time is 36 or 48 hours? Then it'll synch up quite nicely with TGT (with a 2:3 ratio or a 1:2 ratio)
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Do you think the proud Vasudans would adapt their time schedule to fit our worthless Terran one?
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No. Any terran who works on a vasudan ship/colony/outpost will be a coffee/stim junkey
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Actually, I thought the Vasudans are the early birds in every sortie.
Time for some math.
/me kicks open his Calculator.
So, let's imply that the Vasudans have about 36 VGT hours per day, and each day lasts for 24 hours in Terran units. This means that, in each day, there is 24 x 60 x 60 = 86 400 Terran seconds. If you divide 86 400 by 36, you get 2400. So for every Vasudan Galactic hour, 2400 seconds elapse. Assuming that they also equate 60 minutes to an hour, there should be 40 Terran seconds to a Vasudan Galactic minute.
In short, if VGT is a 36-hour cycle, one Vasudan minute is the same as 40 Terran seconds.
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and each day lasts for 24 hours in Terran units.
I'd say that's highly improbable.
What about basing their days on a 36 hour system? One hour=10 degrees of rotation of their planet...
(that is assuming that math is so universal, that even the Zods divided the wheel into 360 parts)
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I did not know that people cared about vasudan time ;)
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Well, the Zods do for a start and they get very cranky when on Terran Galactic Time so you have to be careful or :headz:
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You mean like HLPers who have "Vasudan" at the start of their name?
/me runs away.
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:lol:
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What about basing their days on a 36 hour system? One hour=10 degrees of rotation of their planet...
(that is assuming that math is so universal, that even the Zods divided the wheel into 360 parts)
I bet you can't tell me (without looking!) why we DO divide the wheel into 360 parts. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
At least, having five fingers, they probably use a Base 10 system, although if they were sufficiently advanced they might decide to switch to Base 8 as it's much easier to work with computers that way.
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Base 10 is the most common method of calculation, right? :confused:
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I think they used 360 because it can be divided by a lot of numbers, without messing around with commas.
IIRC, the Phoenicians did it a few thousand years ago. Perhaps some religious reason.
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It's based on stars somehow, certain constellations and such. Same as 12 hour days/nights, 60 minute hours, and 60 second minutes. Babylonians or Sumerians I believe. :p
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Apparently, both the 360 degree circle and the 60 seconds/minutes came from the Sumerians.
In fact, one fact of modern life is still as Sumeria designed it. The Sumerian priesthood developed an early mathematics for commercial and religious purposes, and their number system was based around the number 60. Thus time itself is divided into units of 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and so forth. The 24-hour day also originates with Sumerian calendars, as does the 360-degree circle. So the fingerprints of the world's most ancient civilization are still visible today.
They invented and developed arithmetic using several different number systems including a Mixed radix system with an alternating base 10 and base 6. This sexagesimal system became the standard number system in Sumer and Babylonia.
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:bump:
Why do we use 360° instead of 100°? The reason is simple, and you don't need to mention the standard number system used in Sumer and Babylonia several thousand years ago.
360° / 8 = 45°
360° / 4 = 90°
360° / 2 = 180°
360° * 3/4 = 270°
It's more convenient than:
100° / 8 = 12,5° <--- not handy!
100° / 4 = 25°
100° / 2 = 50°
100° * 3/4 = 75°
Back on topic, we have poor info regarding the Vasudan Galactic Time. It's mentioned twice(3220, 3320) so we can only make major assumptions about it.
Since Vasuda Prime is the fourth planet of Vasuda(with Earth being the third of Sol) it may be possible that the Vasudan "year" and therefore any other minor time measures are influenced by this parameter. Obviously, the number of planet doesn't tell much about their orbits, but I'm just throwing my ideas here. Let's say that Vasuda should be compared with Mars and not with Earth. :)
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You're forgetting
360° / 3 = 120°
100°/ 3 = 33 1/3°
3 is so annoying in base 10
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Im sorry but this topic was already dead and burried...Though i do agree with your supposition on Vasuda Prime Mobius,
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Quick question: How long is a Vasudan second?
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Quick question: How long is a Vasudan second?
Nobody here would know.
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they don't count seconds, how awkward and confusing would be to arrange a meeting with Vasudan fellows ah?
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There should be a conversion rate discovered to solve similar problems.
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You're forgetting
360° / 3 = 120°
100°/ 3 = 33 1/3°
3 is so annoying in base 10
Yeah, the ones you mentioned are important.
Quick question: How long is a Vasudan second?
Nobody here would know.
We don't even know if they have anything comparable to our seconds...
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I wonder what Shivans use. :nervous:
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I wonder what Shivans use. :nervous:
They don't even communicate in words as far as we know...which is nothing/**** all
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There should be a conversion rate discovered to solve similar problems.
Probably like degrees Celsius to degrees Fahrenheit. There is a conversion system, but it's so complicated no-one knows it apart from a few weirdo's. Converter programs take care of everything.
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The translation device (squaker?) takes care of it methinks.
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Quick question: How long is a Vasudan second?
About as long as a Terran second, based on the countdown in A Flaming Sword.
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Quick question: How long is a Vasudan second?
About as long as a Terran second, based on the countdown in A Flaming Sword.
Hmm.
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Quick question: How long is a Vasudan second?
About as long as a Terran second, based on the countdown in A Flaming Sword.
Maybe they were just... counting down. XD
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It seems to be about half a second longer, though.
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There should be a conversion rate discovered to solve similar problems.
Probably like degrees Celsius to degrees Fahrenheit. There is a conversion system, but it's so complicated no-one knows it apart from a few weirdo's. Converter programs take care of everything.
I'm not weird...I simply had the misfortune of studying Physics...
Speaking of conversions, I think the Vasudans' definition of GTVA, if literally translated, would be Galactic Vasudan-Terran Alliance. Each species may tend to put itself to a higher level, I think.
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Speaking of conversions, I think the Vasudans' definition of GTVA, if literally translated, would be Galactic Vasudan-Terran Alliance. Each species may tend to put itself to a higher level, I think.
It could be the "Galactic Alliance between the Peoples of the Sands of Vasuda and the Inferior Meatbags."
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Replace "Inferior Meatbags" with "Earthborn" or something like that.
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Or don't. Since they have to wear the squawkers, I wouldn't put it past them to program them in such a way that they can call us all kinds of names without it being translated. :D
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We can circumvent that problem when dealing with other languages (on Earth) so I guess it can be done when dealing with the Vasudans, as well.
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Well we both have to wear them don't we. We have to understand them as well. And as ST:R taught us I don't think Terran hothead-edness was cut from the final version of the translator.
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I was under the impression that many Vasudans understood English...
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I was under the impression that many Vasudans understood English...
I would doubt that.
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Well we both have to wear them don't we. We have to understand them as well. And as ST:R taught us I don't think Terran hothead-edness was cut from the final version of the translator.
According to the FSRefBible, which I tend to count as canon unless it's contradicted else where, the translator devices are available to both species. However, the Vasudans are the ones who usually wear them.
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Even if they couldn't speak it, it'd probably be a hell of a lot easier for Vasudans to learn English than the other way around, considering how complex their own language is linguistically. In fact, I think we have some canon evidence that this is true at least some of the time, since the Vasudan's translator in the FS1 laboratory cutscene was only translating from Vasudan, not into it.
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Even if they couldn't speak it, it'd probably be a hell of a lot easier for Vasudans to learn English than the other way around, considering how complex their own language is linguistically. In fact, I think we have some canon evidence that this is true at least some of the time, since the Vasudan's translator in the FS1 laboratory cutscene was only translating from Vasudan, not into it.
According to the FSRefBible of holiness there was also an earpiece included with the squawker.
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Even if they couldn't speak it, it'd probably be a hell of a lot easier for Vasudans to learn English than the other way around, considering how complex their own language is linguistically. In fact, I think we have some canon evidence that this is true at least some of the time, since the Vasudan's translator in the FS1 laboratory cutscene was only translating from Vasudan, not into it.
According to the FSRefBible of holiness there was also an earpiece included with the squawker.
I've got to read that thing again