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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: jedimasterseth on December 13, 2008, 05:25:47 pm
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Hi all, i cant seem to get fso installed! Turey's installer on its own used to work (i have a new computer) but now it seems that now u have to buy fs2 retail first??? I own a copy of fs2 retail but its in storage! Why this change of policy!!? I can see that u have to buy it from Good old games, but it wont accept my credit card cos its the wrong type.
Can anyone send me a free copy of fs2 retail or a link to it? I mean i actually bought the original cd so...
Help me! I wanna play :-(
Flint
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Hi all, i cant seem to get fso installed! Turey's installer on its own used to work (i have a new computer) but now it seems that now u have to buy fs2 retail first???
Turey's FSO Installer works. It still installs FSO.
I own a copy of fs2 retail but its in storage!
Well, get it out, then.
Why this change of policy!!?
Because Good Old Games is a legitimate, trustworthy and genuinely awesome company that sells legal, DRM-free digital copies of FS2 at extremely consumer-friendly prices. They are a reliable distributor, so there is no point in spreading the game for free anymore.
it wont accept my credit card cos its the wrong type.
If you already have the game, install it. No reason to buy it again.
Can anyone send me a free copy of fs2 retail or a link to it?
Anyone caught posting links to FS2 for download other than an official site such as GoG will be banned. I don't care what bull**** reason they give for it.
I mean i actually bought the original cd so...
So use it.
Incidentally, this is totally not related to multiplayer.
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Incidentally, this is totally not related to multiplayer.
Indeed it isn't. Moving to general freespace discussion.
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It call Freespace Open. I don't think you need to pay for it.
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It call Freespace Open. I don't think you need to pay for it.
Me hopes not :nervous:
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You're confusing Libris with Gratis.
Libris = Free Speech
Gratis = Free Beer
Freespace Open is of the first type, in that anyone can modify it and use it for their own (non-commercial) products. The source code for the engine was released, but the assets and the IP still belong to Interplay.
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Wait, Wait a second. Freespace is Open Source. So You don't need to pay for it. If so is it braking the License Agreement.
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The engine is open source and free, yes. The art assets (models, textures, sounds, music etc.), however, are not.
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Is that because Interplay still owns it?
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Yep. Only the source code was freely released to the public. The full game was not. It was previously distributed with the installer only because it was no longer sold, and as such there was no other way to get it - Essentially it was abandonware for a while. But with GOG now selling it at a cheap cost that's no longer the case, and having the art assets up for download can't be defended and would be very prone to legal action as it would directly damage the profits of the rightsholders.
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So if somebody came up with $15 million and bought it then it would be free?
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Only if said someone decided to make it free. Otherwise it'd just be them getting the money from sales instead of Interplay.
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I am Backing UP my freeespace 2 Files.
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You never what's going to happen to them . . . :drevil:
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I lost my CDs, but I just got a job, so an hour and a quarter of work to reown FS2 = worth it.
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Hey chillout some of u guys.
I've been part of FSO for a long time now. I was just surprised that's all. My retail cds are in storage 300 miles away in a storage unit. I really wanted to play again after moving house recently. GoG DOESNT accept my credit card type. I tried and failed. I was just seeking some help.
Isn't Freespace / the forum supposed to be for fun? Why are some of you taking it so seriously that you upset your very own users / community? Now I'm probably gonna get banned for posting this message... but I feel a little hurt but some of the comments above.
Relax Guys, its Freespace!
Flint
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Come on Shade, Karajorma... its ME Flint!! I posted in Multiplayer like I always have cos I see my Freespace experience as Multiplayer and the friends I have made only post there. No need to be abrupt even. Aren't we supposed to be enjoying all this? Im not some sort of spammer
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Calm down, calm down.
I don't think you're in danger of getting banned over something like this. It's just that the legality of Freespace is an important issue, one that is easily misunderstood, and now that distributors are distributing again, not to mention Interplay digging their way out of debt, it's more important than ever for people to understand that the game is NOT free: just the Open engine.
And yes, most of the time we do have fun. They're taking this seriously because, well, this is a serious subject.
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I case you didn't notice I hadn't even posted on this thread. :p
The quote from me is an old one explaining that I would be banning anyone who posted a link to FS2 ISOs. I didn't say I'd ban someone just for not knowing why they shouldn't ask for them (Well not the first time they ask at least).
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I now do understand the legal issues. I haven't played for 4 months cos I was moving house... obviously things have changed since then. I didn't know that Freespace's status had changed from abandonware to re-releaseware. One of the most wondefurful things about the FSO project has been its community spirit / raising a phoenix from the ashes / free, nature.
I'm just upset as to the brusque and abrupt nature of the comments posted. Especially since I'm an old member who's been playing for ages. I've had this before on forums.. people forget that posts are posted by REAL people. I certainly would be polite in real life. Especially if the issue was an important one... to get the point across. At the end of the day this is just a game, one we all play for recreation. We must respect one another!
Flint
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If you really have absolutely no way of re-buying it or using your old CD, I'd assume you could jury-rig something using FSO, the MVPs, custom interfaces like from FSPort, and standalone projects using the FSO engine like TBP.
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That's why the comments were so terse most likely. Since people didn't notice you were away, as a regular member everyone expected you to know better. :p
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did you try doing what I told you?
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Wait, we used to have several hosts distributing it for free. Why is it now looked badly upon, and bannings? Why don't we just perfer or reccomend you buy it but have the free option as well?
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Maybe this thread deserves a sticky :yes:
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Haven't we already stickied threads that explain this? It's in giant print at the top of the installer thread, the installer website covers it...
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Wait, we used to have several hosts distributing it for free. Why is it now looked badly upon, and bannings? Why don't we just perfer or reccomend you buy it but have the free option as well?
The entire reason the game was once distributed for free was because there was no legal source to obtain it. Now that there is, the free options are not only redundant, they're also counterproductive to the very noble goal that GoodOldGames is trying to achieve (not to mention blatantly illegal). As far as official forum policy is concerned, it's GOG or the highway from here on out.
And I think we already have enough stickies that no one ever reads without slapping another one up there. :p
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it's GOG or the highway from here on out.
Tits GOG or GTFO?
It's in giant print at the top of the installer thread, the installer website covers it...
The Support board covers it... twice.
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so glad i installed way back in june :p :yes:
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Buy it you little freeloader :mad:
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:nervous: *cough* Uh... yeah! Buy it, you little bum.
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Go back in time and buy the boxed set as i did. BACK IN 1999.
:p
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Managed to buy one of the few surviving retail copies of FS2 out in the world last year on Ebay after searching for about 2 years. :)
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I now do understand the legal issues. I haven't played for 4 months cos I was moving house... obviously things have changed since then. I didn't know that Freespace's status had changed from abandonware to re-releaseware. One of the most wondefurful things about the FSO project has been its community spirit / raising a phoenix from the ashes / free, nature.
I'm just upset as to the brusque and abrupt nature of the comments posted. Especially since I'm an old member who's been playing for ages. I've had this before on forums.. people forget that posts are posted by REAL people. I certainly would be polite in real life. Especially if the issue was an important one... to get the point across. At the end of the day this is just a game, one we all play for recreation. We must respect one another!
Flint
This may just be my interpretation but the folks who have posted so far have been fairly informative and helpful...so I may suggest that you're being just a bit sensitive on this.
Yes FreeSapce 2's status in our minds has changed from completely abandoned to being sold again legitimately. We're happy to see it being sold by such a forward thinking organization and I think I'm on the whole really quite pleased by the way that Good Old Games is handling all of this. Actually I would suggest that if the credit card you have doesn't work with their site that you at least have a go at contacting them. They are a bit of a startup group to my knowledge...I'm sure a friendly suggestion would be helpful to them.
I hope you're able to work something out.
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Sensitive? I emailed GoG yesterday as u suggested and got a terse reply saying too bad about my card type and warning me of the dire consequences of copyright infringement. I just want to f***ing play the game even! That's all! And I feel locked out. It's no wonder ppl resort to torrents... I DON'T CONDONE them, but when ppl begin to chastise you for asking for genuine help and u get bollocked, then...
May I suggest that we all chill out and stop taking all this so seriously. Having come back from a 4 month hiatus (so am perhaps taking a neutral view), I can say that ppl are getting WAY too finicky about FSO. It's for fun guys! Of course legality is very important, but isn't this a free open community project?
Stay Chilled!
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PS Titan - thanks for the helpful suggestions!
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The Source Code Project and MediaVP upgrades are free community projects, but the original game content was never part and parcel of that arrangement. The retail games were only distributed out of raw necessity; before GoG came along, the literally only other alternative was to bend over and take the price hit of an $80 copy of the game on eBay. Because the community so appreciates what GoG is doing for the game (and of equal importance, because the community isn't looking for a cease-and-desist letter), the decision was made that the retail downloads were no longer necessary.
Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind sharing, what sort of credit card do you have that GoG won't accept? And does your bank have some sort of check/debit card program that would allow you to withdraw from your checking account online? I have a Visa debit card myself, and it works exactly the same as a credit card for online purchases.
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No PayPal account? You can use just about any credit card there and GOG takes it.
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isn't this a free open community project?
The SCP enhancements are. Freespace 2 isn't and never has been legally free.
Remember, the reason we don't have a Freespace 3 is because Freespace 2 didn't sell. Help correct that.
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Remember, the reason we don't have a Freespace 3 is because Freespace 2 didn't sell. Help correct that.
He already did; he's said several times that he has a retail copy of FS2 in storage a few hundred miles away. Leaving aside the question of why it had to be put in storage to begin with, if I were in that particular situation, I think I'd personally feel that downloading a copy of the games could be justified, though I equally wouldn't expect that any information on how to do so could be posted in public here.
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Well, as for the problem with the payment - MANY times a credit card is mistaken with a debit card. A debit one is what you get almost always from your bank - however, they are very rarely accepted in online purchases, because it's merely a physical representation of your bankl account. on the other hand, a credit card, bought separately and only per request in a bank, has some kind of an amount of money stored on it, and is not directly connected to your account. Therefore, instead of going through all the trouble of transferring the money from bank to bank, they just take the money from a credit card.
However, I believe that PayPal now supports direct transfers from bank to a PayPal account, and since GOG accepts PayPal, I don't know where's the problem. Believe me, where's will, there's a way.
Just in case - don't even mention piracy to the GOG team. Ever. Here in Poland, we are very sensitive on this subject, because piracy is still a huge problem.
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May I suggest that we all chill out and stop taking all this so seriously. Having come back from a 4 month hiatus (so am perhaps taking a neutral view), I can say that ppl are getting WAY too finicky about FSO. It's for fun guys! Of course legality is very important, but isn't this a free open community project?
I still fail to see just how we're being rude or insulting or something like that. You asked if we could post download links for FS2, we said no and explained why, and now you claim that we're being inflammatory, aggressive and whatnot.
The point here is that FS2 download links aren't posted because we want to support GOG. I've PMed download links to a person a while back, but even then it was about two files that were corrupt, actually already on his disks. And to avoid all sorts of other criminal activities from occurring, I uploaded them temporarily to my webspace and indeed PMed the links so that no one else would know about them.
Now, this is all your fault really, since you're the one who locked his FS2 somewhere far away. You can't blame us for it. And I really see no problem here. Either get the disks when you're visiting the location, or ask someone to mail them to you, or suffer because of your own actions.
In order to revise, no one here will post FS2 links. But, there is one link that might help you on your quest: this one (http://www.google.com/).
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without pouring gasoline on the fire ,
there is in this forum a direct link to the freespace files , but because it comes from a long standing member it has been forgotten or overlooked ,
i personally dont find the community rude or arrogant but im sure many ppl here have links that they could pm....... at this point it is an individuals and not a community promotion.....
as for the support for gog this is good but the question still stands that "is the product good" having read and helped out with many ppl having problems trying to upgrade there gog install..........
this in no way is a critisism its just to try and find some way to see it from both sides .............
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there is in this forum a direct link to the freespace files , but because it comes from a long standing member it has been forgotten or overlooked ,
More likely it's been forgotten or overlooked because it's been forgotten or overlooked. I wiped at least a couple of links I put up when GoG came out.
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maybe this as far as i remember was an announcement/link posted at the same time or after the Gog discussion ...........
but i takes intelligence to use the link lol
may the gods of the underworld be merciful for our indiscretion's
cryptic clue
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cryptic clue
I c wut u did thar, and admit to have concidered giving a hint that would direct one to the same direction.
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cryptic clue
I c wut u did thar, and admit to have concidered giving a hint that would direct one to the same direction.
like i said
but i takes intelligence to use the link lol
:D
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It is interesting to see of how many people can be mysterious, some may just be playing a tRICK. After a period of time, a smiling man may pROvide a sufficient cLue for this puzzLe.:) (http://tinyurl.com/FreeFS2)
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You're missing an L
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actually im missing a sandwich
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You're missing an L
Is not.
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Don't know how I missed that, but oh well.
We no stangers to loooove
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Well, as for the problem with the payment - MANY times a credit card is mistaken with a debit card. A debit one is what you get almost always from your bank - however, they are very rarely accepted in online purchases, because it's merely a physical representation of your bankl account. on the other hand, a credit card, bought separately and only per request in a bank, has some kind of an amount of money stored on it, and is not directly connected to your account. Therefore, instead of going through all the trouble of transferring the money from bank to bank, they just take the money from a credit card.
While that is generally true, there are options available that combine the best options of credit and debit cards. I mentioned the Visa debit card (http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/debit/index.html) earlier; it can be used as a credit card for online shopping purposes, but the money is withdrawn directly from your checking account. I've found it to be an extremely useful tool.
Oh, and can the spam, teeming masses. :p
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That Visa debit card is more commonly referred to as the Visa Check Card I believe. I had one until I found out they charge you for not using it, so I canceled it. But that's one of the biggest peeves I had when I worked retail. You'd ask someone credit or debit, and sometimes they'd look at you like you're crazy, or actually get angry because they just assume you should be able to tell when it's a card you've never seen before, or they have a card that works both ways, and for some reason they've never been asked until now. I had two cards from my bank actually, a ATM/Visa Credit card, that worked as a true credit card or a regular debit card depending on which option you choose, and I had the Visa Check Card, which could be verified by PIN or Signature the same as the other, but both methods pulled straight from the bank account, so it was basically a debit card that you could sign for instead of using your PIN. Why the hell anyone thinks that's a good idea is beyond me. It's bad enough I write SEE ID on my credit card and I can still spend $100 somewhere and not be asked for my license, and it's funny to go to a gas station and spend $3 and be asked for it.
On that note, it doesn't seem like this thread is being very productive towards its original purpose, suggest locking.
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I didn't realize that it charged for inactivity. I guess I've used it frequently enough to get by that, or maybe it's a per-bank policy. The dual nature does get a bit strange when you're making a purchase in person. From what I understand, it's generally considered a bit safer to treat it as a credit card, since you get the protections that that entails; I could be wrong on that, though.
And given that I helped drive it off-topic, you're probably right. :p