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Post by: Thorn on March 10, 2002, 12:53:09 pm: This is just something I've been thinking about, a possiblilty...
Maybe the GTVA was finally destroyed by the Shivans, and the races from Homeworld are the next batch. Or maybe the Hiigarans were wiped out by the Shivans, maybe theyre the Ancients...
(yeah, I know, 2 different game worlds, its just a thought that ran through my head)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tap/renders/thedestroyers.jpg)

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Post by: wEvil on March 10, 2002, 12:56:36 pm: I like your thinking :nod:
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Post by: untouchable on March 10, 2002, 01:49:51 pm: The total combination of both worlds!!! :D
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Post by: Stunaep on March 10, 2002, 01:52:00 pm: Nah, HW would kick FS ass anytime. :( . HW fighter fly at tremendous speeds, and the Bentusi beam fighters kick Saths back to Shiva Prime.
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Post by: an0n on March 10, 2002, 01:54:45 pm: Bah! Where are the Taidan Ion Cannon ships? The Taidan stuff is far cooler.

I like how it's only a small scout force rather than the usual massive fleets. The HW ships think 'Ha, that was an easy fight' and then a Luci jump in.

There's a thing. HW uses Hyperspace and FS uses Subspace. So HW ships would have no easy way of destroying a Luci.
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Post by: Thorn on March 10, 2002, 01:57:21 pm: I dunno, I dont even think the Lucifer could survive a colission with a Heavy Cruiser....
Hell, the HC would probably survive...
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Post by: Pera on March 10, 2002, 02:18:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
I dunno, I dont even think the Lucifer could survive a colission with a Heavy Cruiser....
Hell, the HC would probably survive...

HW capships are not very large. Just compare a HC to a one-man fighter.
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Post by: Thorn on March 10, 2002, 02:33:06 pm: HW ships are scaled wrong...
Going by the manual, the Kushan mothership is 25 km high..
that makes a Heavy Cruiser about 6 km..
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Post by: CODEDOG ND on March 10, 2002, 06:04:07 pm: TACHYON 0WNZ j00!!!!!! lol that game sucks...
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Post by: vadar_1 on March 10, 2002, 06:56:23 pm: If thats a heavy cruiser leaving the docking bay of the mothership... that Rakshasa is screwed

edit: Id like to point out that in homeworld after discovering a new race, they usually send an ambassador
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Post by: Setekh on March 10, 2002, 07:41:13 pm: Quote
Originally posted by vadar_1
If thats a heavy cruiser leaving the docking bay of the mothership... that Rakshasa is screwed

I think it's a Moloch.... :)

Your subspace exit point looks pretty. :nod:
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Post by: Nico on March 10, 2002, 07:42:27 pm: a moloch it is, little bug
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Post by: Thorn on March 10, 2002, 07:57:51 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh

I think it's a Moloch.... :)

Your subspace exit point looks pretty. :nod:

think you could add this one to the gallery?
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Post by: vadar_1 on March 11, 2002, 12:00:28 am: I have no idea why i thought it was a rachy... Probably cause im happy little pink lemons
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Post by: Setekh on March 11, 2002, 02:51:57 am: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
think you could add this one to the gallery?

Can I add it to your gallery? Can I add it to your gallery? What kind of a question is that? :)

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/art/?gallery=20
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Post by: RoachKoach on March 11, 2002, 03:21:28 am: damn, u made a render of HW and FS combined before me. ive been thinking about it for a long time.

about the scale of the ships n all, the HW ships might be bigger, but the FS2 ships feel/look a lot more heavily armed, and should manage to chew up HW ships fast.
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 07:06:23 am: I've done a few FS/HW renders before...
The FS2 ships arent more heavily armed imho, they just have a lot of smaller weapons. The Heavy Cruiser has 8 turrets, each half the size of a frigate, 2 of which are twin mounted heavy ion cannons. The other 6 are heavy guns, one shot from one of them will almost kill a HW corvette.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 08:02:55 am: (http://www.killmenow.barrysworld.net/mistake.jpg)

just a quick little render hehe the shivans make there first serious mistake
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 08:05:22 am: oh forgot to mention teh sizing is off - but suffice it to say an SSD is over 17km long - its going to pound that sath into dust mowwwwwwhahhahhaaaaaaaaaaa
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Post by: mikhael on March 11, 2002, 09:39:29 am: Actually, no. The Sathanas wins this round. The Imperials will launch a flock of TIE craft, which the Sathanas will cheerfully ignore, whilst it slice'n'dices the Star Destroyer into very small bits.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 09:47:29 am: incase you forget that super star destroyer has sheilds its about 45 times the size of the sath and has ample firepower to chew it to peices one broadside and that pathetic little sath would die painfully

the empire rules

and besides thats the executor and Darth Vader is on board he could swat the ship with the force alonea nd tie interceptors are more than a match for shivan fighters and lets not forget SSD can carry i think its 144 fighters and being as its a top of the line vessel and its some time after Darth Vader was cloned (hehe thinking into the future here) its carrying 144 tie defenders

and just to put the point across according to han solo there are hundreds of command ships infact he might have said thousands i cant remember exactly and the empire has death stars hmm and sun crushers one sun crusher would accelerate up to lightspeed ona collision cource witha sath and punch striaght through killing it - death star would just vape it in one shot

arghhh the empire would slaughter the shivans
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Post by: deep_eyes on March 11, 2002, 09:48:38 am: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
(http://www.killmenow.barrysworld.net/mistake.jpg)

just a quick little render hehe the shivans make there first serious mistake

LOL......... tru tru.... but the SSD is like 17km lol...... sathanas will yeild to the true dark side. lol..................;7

it would be nice to see what the Protoss would do if being attacked by Shivans or if it was a Gundam'ish (Wing series) fight the shivans.
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Post by: Styxx on March 11, 2002, 09:50:59 am: Hah, this is turning into a Vs Debate! Run! :D

Now, seriously, there's not way any imperial ship could stand against it's Freespace equivalent. Too much of a firepower difference.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 09:57:42 am: dont be silly man - a ssd can slag planets shes carrying over 1000 guns each of which that can instantly slag fighters to vapour not even just bits but to vapour modified turbo laser is what the death star is lest you forget and it blew a planet into little little chunks the shivans dont have the power to do that nope turbo lasers are hundreds of times more power than shivan lasers - heavy turbo lasers are as power as beams even though they dont fire conituiously and they have 1000's of them would chew a sath to bits in seconds its beams probally would never have even powered up
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 09:59:47 am: no, the Shivans just blow up stars, taking all the planets in the immediate vicinity with it...
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:00:51 am: another point why does everyone assume the freespace ship have such good weapons? they have beams but there is little evidence they are that great - federation phasers can dig down thousands of meters into planets in seconds and when the shields go down without ablative armour the ships are destroyed imediately - nope i would say that freespace tech is behind star trek - star wars - and b5
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Post by: Unknown Target on March 11, 2002, 10:01:40 am: well, I mean, jeez, the HC has only four ion cannons, and how many does a corvette have??
FS would kick HW ass all the way back to Hiigarra;)
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm a big fan of HW.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:02:04 am: argh need i remind you that the empire can blow up stars too and witha ship the size ofa fighter that has armour that could indefinatly withstand a shivan assult by 10,000 saths
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Post by: Galemp on March 11, 2002, 10:04:26 am: maybe the Imperials can get Shivan fighter shield technology...
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:09:06 am: why would they need it they already have shields just ties generally are built purely for speed and agaility but the tie defender has hyperdrive - shields - speed in agitily even the interceptor cant compete with and carrys 4 laser cannons and 2 ion cannons and can carry 8 proton torpedos

and this says its all

http://www.killmenow.barrysworld.net/deathstar.wav
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Post by: Styxx on March 11, 2002, 10:21:42 am: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
another point why does everyone assume the freespace ship have such good weapons?

The Harbinger has a 5 Gigaton payload, the Helios has more than double that, and any heavy beam is even stronger. Except for the superlaser, no Star Wars weapon gets close...
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:30:43 am: dear god man - death star blew away a planet into litlle asteroids tht pinged off the hull fo the milenium falcon and - star trek torpedos are 25 isotons and quatoms torps 52 isoton and an isoton is billions of gigatons
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Post by: Nico on March 11, 2002, 10:32:59 am: bah, KMN, seriously, a small lucifer is able to clean a whole planet in a few hours... imagine what can do the sathanas :p btw, 6 km isn't 45 times smaller than 17 km ;)
also, a simple corvette can stand a direct AM bomb impact, so your turbo lasers, the sathanas would laugh at it :D
Oh, and beams goes through shields, and SW ones are damn crappy, you gotta admit: 3 shots on a XWing, and babye shields, so... SW fighters have the crappiest missiles ever, too. the ion torpedoes can match with an harbinger or an helios. the empire has hundreds of SSD? Solo states dozens of them, not hundereds ;)
anyway, you see one at a time. on one spot, you see 80 sathanas at a time. Empire= no match for the shivans.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:35:52 am: proton torpedos are also far more powerfuli n in freespace its just like thermal detonators they have a blast radius everythign within it is destroyed but 1 inch out of the blast radius and your safe also the suncrusher carrys torpedos that can blow up stars

dear god people star wars tech is far more refined and powerful
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:45:21 am: estimates on fleet size of the empire is i bleve 25,000 isd's alone they had 38 deathstars in contruction but they were destroyed there are star destroyers that have the firepower destroya planet all by themselves - suncrushers - death stars - very large starships capaible of blowing up planet and afew hours is moer than it would need for a SSD to render a planet totally uninhabitable

nope in freespace they cant even generate sheilding to cover a whole ship
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Post by: Styxx on March 11, 2002, 10:46:18 am: * whistles *
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 10:51:15 am: The HW ships could take on the empire :P
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 10:51:57 am: argh my key board is bust =( my number keep getting messed up 8 keeps appear as 38 when i use the keys above the letters

so only 8 death stars
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Post by: Nico on March 11, 2002, 10:52:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
estimates on fleet size of the empire is i bleve 25,000 isd's alone they had 38 deathstars in contruction but they were destroyed there are star destroyers that have the firepower destroya planet all by themselves - suncrushers - death stars - very large starships capaible of blowing up planet and afew hours is moer than it would need for a SSD to render a planet totally uninhabitable

nope in freespace they cant even generate sheilding to cover a whole ship

What are you talking about? a ion torpedo is crap, you need dozens of that to destroy a crappy isd in SW. for shidels: Lucifer. for big ships destroying planets: Lucifer (and lol, it's a small ship compared to your SSD). to destroy stars: Sathanas. And you refer to unofficial stuff. I can make up a novel where the shivan would have much more powerful, nothing is more easy. To me there has been only 3 death stars ( the two of the movies, the one in rebel assault2). to me, there's a few dozen of SSD. You can say everything you want, Lucas never agreed to make those novels àofficial or whatever. In that case, the Apocalypse can ruin any empire ship. bah :p
always funny to have an argument with you, tho :p
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 10:55:42 am: Warning! Warning!

Rabid Warsie detected.
Initiating scanning systems.
Scanning
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Activating search and destroy protocol.

Mike Wong is wrong!!

All that, and a free CAM!
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 11:18:00 am: all the novels are offical and a luci cant destroya plnet just render it un inhabitable long term - which any ship from star wars cant do what was the devistators or something empire used it to destroy a planet long long time ago before the empire was offically born i bleived

lets face the empire rules and it does not take them 380 saths to destroya star and half those saths blew up in the process and it took ages no so with star wars tech

and as a final thought ( said witha darth vader voice)

"the power to destroy a plnet is insignificant next to the power of the force"
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 11:28:24 am: The GE probably couldn't take the GTVA. One to two hundred destroyers along with many times that 'vettes and cruisers, compared to the couple dozen star destroyers the GE could realistically send off. Assuming for a moment the GTVA was somehow transported to the SW universe, it would likely gain autonomy like the Hapans did. The GTVA would loose to the entire empire, but could kick enough ass to make any realistic Imperial deployment run back to Coruscant.

Oh, and about the photorps?

A standard photorp has 1.5 kilos of AM, if memory serves.

I calculated that a Helios has roughly 125 kilos.
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Post by: CP5670 on March 11, 2002, 11:31:39 am: Freespace > Star Wars :D
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Post by: untouchable on March 11, 2002, 11:36:13 am: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Freespace > Star Wars :D
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHA

No!:D
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 11:41:57 am: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Freespace > Star Wars :D

and Homeworld > Freespace
they've learned how to effectively shield capships, including the mothership...
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 11:51:31 am: Too bad FS beams are shield-penetrating. :D
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 12:07:28 pm: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
dont be silly man - a ssd can slag planets shes carrying over 1000 guns each of which that can instantly slag fighters to vapour not even just bits but to
Proof?

How about the A-Wing crash scene in RotJ? Oh wait, it merely got damaged by a turbolaser bolt and subsequently careened mostly intact through the bridge windows of the Executor.

And A-Wings are almost as flimsy as TIEs.

Oh yes, and remember, more guns does not necessarily equal more firepower.
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 12:17:12 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Too bad FS beams are shield-penetrating. :D

too bad HW ships are 10 times faster than FS ships :D
Fastest FS fighter 125 m/s (Pegasus)
Fastest HW fighter 1000 m/s (Scout)
Slowest HW Capship, not counting the MS 110 m/s (Explorer Class Mining Vessel: Kuun-Lan, Faal-Corum)
Mothership 25 m/s
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 12:23:11 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
too bad HW ships are 10 times faster than FS ships :D
Fastest FS fighter 125 m/s (Pegasus)
Fastest HW fighter 1000 m/s (Scout)
Slowest HW Capship, not counting the MS 110 m/s (Explorer Class Mining Vessel: Kuun-Lan, Faal-Corum)
Mothership 25 m/s
And so the Sath jumps out, opens up and begins to carve up the mothership. Meanwhile, Shivan bombers drop bombs on the sluggish vessel, ignoring the puny massdriver fire from the HW ships. Mothership dies, Shivans leave.

Destroyers: 1
Hiigarans: 0

Doesn't it suck that kinetic weapons like the Maxim do jack against shields? ;)
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 12:33:17 pm: You forget, that the projectiles from the MS' guns are almost as big as a fighter..
Besides, later on the Hiigarans get energy cannons...
And theres the Bentusi Ion fighters, which would make short work of a Sath...
The sheilds in HW are strong enough to stop beams.
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Post by: RoachKoach on March 11, 2002, 12:42:46 pm: hah , thats cos they havent met freespace lasers yet !
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Post by: CP5670 on March 11, 2002, 12:47:44 pm: nah, Freespace > everything else :D

Seriously, FS/FS2 have THE best ship designs I have ever seen, and as for the technologies, they cannot really be compared until we are able to produce them in real life. Still, Shivans are unstoppable with their 80 Sathanas. :D
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 02:01:16 pm: Some proof here...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tap/pictures/sentinel.jpg)

In action...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tap/pictures/shota003.jpg)
Also notice the massive gun on the side. If you place the shot right, you can kill a MS with one shot....
A few of these would make short work of a Sath fleet...
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Post by: Nico on March 11, 2002, 02:12:55 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn

Also notice the massive gun on the side. If you place the shot right, you can kill a MS with one shot....
A few of these would make short work of a Sath fleet...

coz of course the sathanas would stay still and wouldn't respond. ok, has everybody here talks about stats and not about what we all got to see... mmh, I don't remember the numvers well, but I think a stahans holds something like a dozen of wings of fighters bombers. take all the 80 sathanas from Capella, make them launch all their fighters and bombers. I let you count them. byebye ANYTHING. byebye the tie fighters and their crappy hulls (the thing would not last long against a dragon that is faster, more agile, and has shields ;p ), byebye the ISD with their super l33t turbofighters that, everybody witnessed it, can't do crap to fighters (and notice I didn't count the countless destroyers, corvettes and cruisers that most likely escorts the sathanas), byebye the HW fleets, with their handfull of fighters and capships. At capella, we witnessed, what? a battle fleet probably. such a fleet is led by a single MS in HW, a single SSD in SW. Allow me to laught for a second and forget about this thread.
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 02:26:19 pm: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506

coz of course the sathanas would stay still and wouldn't respond. ok, has everybody here talks about stats and not about what we all got to see... mmh, I don't remember the numvers well, but I think a stahans holds something like a dozen of wings of fighters bombers. take all the 80 sathanas from Capella, make them launch all their fighters and bombers. I let you count them. byebye ANYTHING. byebye the tie fighters and their crappy hulls (the thing would not last long against a dragon that is faster, more agile, and has shields ;p ), byebye the ISD with their super l33t turbofighters that, everybody witnessed it, can't do crap to fighters (and notice I didn't count the countless destroyers, corvettes and cruisers that most likely escorts the sathanas), byebye the HW fleets, with their handfull of fighters and capships. At capella, we witnessed, what? a battle fleet probably. such a fleet is led by a single MS in HW, a single SSD in SW. Allow me to laught for a second and forget about this thread.

The Sath cant break 50 m/s
That ship can do 150 m/s and its twice as big...
That shot creates a massive shockwave, think of the cannon as a meson launcher...
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Post by: wEvil on March 11, 2002, 02:33:20 pm: Freespace weapons are something on a more destructive level than star wars weapons.

The focused X-aser weapons on fighters slag asteroids as effectively as an ISD turbolaser.

Beam weapons are just another ballgame, maybe not as powerful as Deathstar lasers but in the same league as they're used for planetary bombardment.

A Sathanas vs. as SSD would be interesting.

I dont know how SW shields work but beams are mostly charged particles so the "magnetic" field could take alot of the punch out.

Having said that, if SW shields WERENT effective the freespace beams would just slice the metal apart.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 03:14:02 pm: nope turbo lasers vapourise asteroids and ones alot bigger than those fighters in fs are capabile of taking out just breaking them up star wars tech is many many many orders of magnitude of power - star wars ships are faster more manuverable - have shielding on both fighters a ships they have claocking tech they have torpedos capible of destroying stars - ships and stations that can destroy planets hell they can shield entire planets the luci wouldn't have even be able to bombard the surface of sw planet and dark jedi can kill them all with the force

my only critism of star wars is that the rebeliion never would have won and then when the yuzhann vong arrive they would have been met with darth vader in command of a huge fleet backed by several death stars and those that didn't not die in the innitial enagement would have running off for another galaxy tail between there legs

also in star wars there is the center point station which can destroy planets - destroy stars destroy entire fleets in one go - it can also project an intradiction feild across an area light years wide more than a match for the shivans anyday

and for other sci fi the culture would whip the shivans ass ( assuming they have asses) all the way to andromeda and back a couple of thousand times before the shivans had even finished exiting subspace - those who have read the culture novels will know what i am talking about
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 03:18:59 pm: Quote
Originally posted by wEvil
Beam weapons are just another ballgame, maybe not as powerful as Deathstar lasers but in the same league as they're used for planetary bombardment.

emmmmmmmmmmmmmmm NO!!! the planet was completely blown away not rendered un in habitable - an ISD is capable of that never mind and SSD but deathstars blown them away instantly to bits big enough than the falcon could survive flying through them - which is considered a miricle in the star wars universe.

i played fs1 jsut the other day and the beam froma luci is so slow that a SSD could avoid being hit dispite its size and also after the bombarment there were still survivors on the surface that were being evacuated it didn't even kill them all it jsut blew up there main citys

and star wars tech far superior
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 03:26:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
and for other sci fi the culture would whip the shivans ass ( assuming they have asses) all the way to andromeda and back a couple of thousand times before the shivans had even finished exiting subspace - those who have read the culture novels will know what i am talking about
I think we are all aware of that.

After all, I am the Culture Vulture around here.
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Post by: wEvil on March 11, 2002, 03:38:51 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
I am the Culture Vulture around here.

(http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/181.jpg)

BWAAAAK!

;)

it had to be done :D
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Post by: CP5670 on March 11, 2002, 05:55:32 pm: Quote
Some proof here...

doesn't say anything about focused photon beams... :p
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 06:00:50 pm: It says energy based..
That could mean anything, it gives ion cannons and energy cannons as examples :p
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 06:19:30 pm: energy weapons would be anything that uses energy not of the kinetic kind so yesh focuses photon beams (which are lasers) and a photon is in layman terms a energy particle - so ion beams well ions would do tiny damage since the ions do have small mass argh anyway the snawers would be to use a railgun or just drive into it
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 06:25:33 pm: have you read all teh culture novels

i have read consider phelbas (argh spelling)
excession
state of the art
and started look to indward but i heard that its only distantly related to the culture
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Post by: mikhael on March 11, 2002, 06:49:46 pm: HA! Fools! After the Xeelee are done mucking about with their own evolutionary history to ensure their ability to escape the heat death of the universe, the Photino birds will simply wipe out all baryonic matter, including Shivans, the Galactic Empire, all the sentient races in Homeworld, etc.

I mean, if we're going to compare science fiction threats, it doesn't get much better than races of beings who consider stars nice places to hang out and think nothing of hurling neutron stars as the way we might toss an asteroid, or construct javelins of cosmic string more than a thousand lightyears long.

Thank you Stephen Baxter.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 11, 2002, 08:14:51 pm: dont make bring up the Q
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Post by: Thorn on March 11, 2002, 08:15:44 pm: hahaha..
*snaps fingers*
Oh, whoops, you no longer exist!
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Post by: Mr. Vega on March 11, 2002, 09:51:18 pm: We have got to have a battle in FS between FS and the GE to see just how much stronger the GTVA is. I mean really, judging from ship size (ISDs are 1600m, an Orion is 2100m), it would take about 10 helios to blow an ISD, even when you overrate the shields, as opposed to the 50+ proton torps it would take.

Deathstars on the other hand, would be a problem. Solution: sabotage! (put a Mbomb next to the reactor).

FS fighters can take way more damage than they should be able to.

HW: HCs are Juggernault-sized, and I can't help but notice that scouts are cruiser-sized when compared to the Mothership (it's 25k, it think.)
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Post by: Shrike on March 11, 2002, 09:53:39 pm: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
have you read all teh culture novels

i have read consider phelbas (argh spelling)
excession
state of the art
and started look to indward but i heard that its only distantly related to the culture
Yes, I've read them all. And CP is very related to the Culture..... it mostly happens on an O. :p

And the Culture versus the Photino Birds would be interesting, to say the least......... The Xeelee have a massive empire, but in one on one, are the Culture's *****es - going by what I've seen so far. (Vaccum Diagrams - the other two Xeeleeverse books I've read were Flux and Raft (?) which had little to do with the Xeelee)
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Post by: mikhael on March 11, 2002, 10:10:32 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Yes, I've read them all. And CP is very related to the Culture..... it mostly happens on an O. :p

And the Culture versus the Photino Birds would be interesting, to say the least......... The Xeelee have a massive empire, but in one on one, are the Culture's *****es - going by what I've seen so far. (Vaccum Diagrams - the other two Xeeleeverse books I've read were Flux and Raft (?) which had little to do with the Xeelee)

Ring is the last Xeelee novel, chronologicly. The list, as of its writing is:
"The Sun Person"
"The Logic Pool"
Timelike Infinity
"Cilia of Gold"
"Lieserl"
"Chiron"
"The Xeelee Flower"
"More Than Time or Distance"
"Blue Shift"
""The Quagma Datum"
"Planck Zero"
"Vacuum Diagrams"
"The Godel Sunflowers"
"The Tyranny of HEaven"
"Hero"
Flux
Raft
Ring
(quoted titles are short stories, bolded are novels)
Raft takes place in an alternate hi-gravity universe, and is referenced in one chapter of Ring. Flux describes the neutron star colonization experiment mentioned in Ring a few chapters later.

I don't know how Joe Xeelee stacks up against an average guy from the Culture, but I do know I wouldn't bet against the Xeelee. Remember, they built a navel for the universe. They gave up on matter as a building material and started pulling spacetime and higher, rolled-up dimensions about themselves to build fighter craft. They're kind of buff.

Now, I've heard about the Culture books. Can you tell me more about them, because I've never even seen one.

Flux
The Timeships
Raft
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 05:54:29 am: i got the impression from consider phelbas that the culture knew how to accend (abit like teh guys who protect the planets of the dead) and leave there bodies behind but most choose not too
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Post by: Setekh on March 12, 2002, 06:20:47 am: Ohhh boy, it's too late for me... talking about these super-fantastic races which remind me of technomages requires thinking. Sorry. :D
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Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2002, 09:14:43 am: Quote
Originally posted by mikhael
Now, I've heard about the Culture books. Can you tell me more about them, because I've never even seen one.
You want the long or the short?

The reason I'm saying the Culture could kick the Xeelee's ass, given equal resources, is evident in Excession.

An 11 microsecond starship battle, with several casualties (ie, shps destroyed), spread over 50 ly of hyperspace.

The Culture uses such fun toys as CAMs (collapsed antimatter), nanoholes, effectors and the ever-popular GRIDFIRE!

:D

Joe Q. Culture Average has nothing to do with fighting..... that's for the machines, cause they do it so much better.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 10:40:03 am: yup in the culture all us humans have to worry about is enjoying ourselves - and al sort of amuzing and amazing things are capable with just afew thoughts hehhehehe =)

the culture rules - just curious but with regard to teh accending to a higher exsistance was it only the humans that could do it or could machine intelligences do it too and if they did would us humans then be as smart as the machines?
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 10:43:36 am: oh and i just figured out what you ment by Cp being related to the culture yeah i know that it was - it was the new book "Look to Windward" i wasn't sure how related it was to the culture i only jsut started it
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Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2002, 10:54:46 am: Quote
Originally posted by KillMeNow
the culture rules - just curious but with regard to teh accending to a higher exsistance was it only the humans that could do it or could machine intelligences do it too and if they did would us humans then be as smart as the machines?
You mean Subliming? Anyone can do it, but there's very little info on it.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 10:57:25 am: i feel inspired to read consider phlebas again:nod:
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Post by: mikhael on March 12, 2002, 12:06:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
You want the long or the short?

The reason I'm saying the Culture could kick the Xeelee's ass, given equal resources, is evident in Excession.

An 11 microsecond starship battle, with several casualties (ie, shps destroyed), spread over 50 ly of hyperspace.

The Culture uses such fun toys as CAMs (collapsed antimatter), nanoholes, effectors and the ever-popular GRIDFIRE!

:D

Joe Q. Culture Average has nothing to do with fighting..... that's for the machines, cause they do it so much better.

Out of curiosity, did the Culture ever travel through time or create their own universes? And really, how much of a battle can you have when one side just pulls the universe out from between themselves and the other side? Remember what the Xeelee darkships are 'made' out of. ;)

Also, what's 'gridfire'? And who is this all by. I might need to read this stuff. :)
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 12:55:20 pm: Iain M Banks wrote them and they do travel ourside the universe i believe beena while since i read it but there method for traveling faster than light is to drop in and out of the universe grid fire is accessing the grid they use for faster than light travel or something adn its like tearing space space to rip up anything thats in its path
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Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2002, 12:55:36 pm: Well, considering that Culture ships routinely blast targets in real space from hyperspace (or vice-versa) I think they could handle Xeelee ships. Plus they have Lineguns if all else fails, which are gravity guns like Starbreakers.

Gridfire is the 'energy of the end of the universe'. Basically, think of opening a hole allowing the (effectively infinite) energy between universes (the Energy Grid) to spray out into real space. Kind of like using a firehose on a sandcastle, assuming that the firehose is actually a gridfire incursion and the sandcastle is a target, like say....... a planet. ;)

And they're by Ian M. Banks. If you're in NA, they might be hard to find. But I recommend them, they're cool books. :D
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 12:59:40 pm: you know last i heard hes still living only about 20 miles from where i live =) and i have a autographed copy of consider phlebas acession and look to windward

shrike where you live?
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Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2002, 01:03:09 pm: Canadia. ;)
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 01:31:48 pm: wonder why its difficult to get his books over there - i figured books were all published pretty much world wide
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Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2002, 01:58:43 pm: LtW was easy to find, but most of the copies back home are imported from britland, sooooo........
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Post by: Thorn on March 12, 2002, 01:58:44 pm: You're going to have to lend me those when I get out there :D
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Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2002, 02:00:31 pm: All I have is LtW....... my copy of Excession vanished, and I haven't seen any of the others for sale, except for Use of Weapons, and I didn't have the cash at the time. :(
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Post by: wEvil on March 12, 2002, 02:04:11 pm: Im reading consider phlebas at the moment -

i find some part quite hard to understand, compared to Player of Games.

The conversations and action sequences in particular are rather chaotic and hard to make sense of fom the text.

However - i like some of Banks' thinking, although maybe it's set so far in the future its hard to feel connected unless you really concentrate.

My 2 quids :p
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 02:24:21 pm: believe me if any of them is confusing its the use of weapons and i dont think its a culture novel either really - the link is very tenious and its got a strange ending but myabe thats just me but anyway nevermind and i haven't read against a dark background yet but i have and will read it when i next feel like another sci fi novel anyway anyway wonder if there is another culture novel on the way and if you cant get them try on amazon and if not there try amazon.co.uk they will send them over since i got books from american amazon =)
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Post by: Galemp on March 12, 2002, 02:55:16 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
GE probably couldn't take the GTVA.

Oh yeah?! :drevil:
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Post by: wEvil on March 12, 2002, 02:57:58 pm: YEA.
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Post by: Galemp on March 12, 2002, 03:00:08 pm: Just a note on SW vs. FS shields- FS (fighter) shields don't need additional shield generators or anything. That's how we could put them on the Apollo. With the more efficient shields, the Empire's TIES would wreak havoc. Still, the Shivans would slaughter everything.
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Post by: wEvil on March 12, 2002, 03:02:01 pm: The ships do require shield generators.

Its just maybe the shields were efficcient enough not to neccesitate a complete overhaul of the power grid.
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Post by: Galemp on March 12, 2002, 03:20:38 pm: Okay, but the fact remains: Shielded TIEs.

Another thing: SW seems to have much more superengineering capacity than FS. I mean, look: it took the GTVA twenty years to build the Colossus. It took the Empire around ten to build the Death Star.
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 03:46:15 pm: by all reports it took them at most 2 to get the second death star operational
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Post by: Nico on March 12, 2002, 03:50:47 pm: yeah, but the empire is much larher than the GTVA, and has more resources available obviously.
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Post by: Zeronet on March 12, 2002, 03:56:13 pm: Empire would win, cos it controls a whole galaxy....long live the Empire!
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Post by: Galemp on March 12, 2002, 04:00:35 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Zeronet
Empire would win, cos it controls a whole galaxy....long live the Empire!

Don't you mean Long Live the Emperor?

*bzzzzzt snap crackle pop*
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Post by: mikhael on March 12, 2002, 07:10:10 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Well, considering that Culture ships routinely blast targets in real space from hyperspace (or vice-versa) I think they could handle Xeelee ships. Plus they have Lineguns if all else fails, which are gravity guns like Starbreakers.

Gridfire is the 'energy of the end of the universe'. Basically, think of opening a hole allowing the (effectively infinite) energy between universes (the Energy Grid) to spray out into real space. Kind of like using a firehose on a sandcastle, assuming that the firehose is actually a gridfire incursion and the sandcastle is a target, like say....... a planet. ;)

And they're by Ian M. Banks. If you're in NA, they might be hard to find. But I recommend them, they're cool books. :D

I don't think the Energy Grid exists in the Xeelee (our) milieu. As the two sound like they have the same basic control over baryonic matter, I'd say the battle goes to the ones with the hometurf advantage.

That said, you never answered if the Culture ever built its own Universe to specification. ;)

I shall seek these books when my current preload of novels is consumed. As there is only fifteen or twenty, I'll probably start looking in April, May at the latest. Are they all in print in Britain, Australia or Canada? I've got access to bookstores in all three, so it shouldn't be too much trouble to get them, I think.
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Post by: Corsair on March 12, 2002, 07:17:55 pm: Looking at GE's render of the SSD and the Sath...
Two words: BFRed and shields.
Who wins? I don't know. Because the SSD has shields but to quote someone I don't remember, it has "piddly laser things" (but a lot of them!). On the other hand, the Sath has no shields but four very large BFReds!
And then there are the TIEs and Shivan fighters...
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Post by: KillMeNow on March 12, 2002, 07:35:20 pm: well to a certain extent they have created there own universes within every mind(computer) they have to maintiny there conciousness outside of the the real universe so they aren't limited to speed of light computations so in effect yes they create there own universes but small ones
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Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2002, 05:23:43 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
All I have is LtW....... my copy of Excession vanished, and I haven't seen any of the others for sale, except for Use of Weapons, and I didn't have the cash at the time. :(

I got LtW imported too. Everything else is still coming in the airmail. :(
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 06:34:09 am: I still have to get Look to Windward and The Player of Games. The other ones I've already read, and they're spectacular. :nod:
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Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2002, 06:43:58 am: LtW is, IMHO, pretty cool. The Hub Mind of Masaq' Orbital is really cool. :D
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 06:56:19 am: Now, just imagine is it was Shodan instead of the Hub. ;)
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Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2002, 06:59:28 am: That would be frightening indeed.

We'd need to get the Xeelee in to clean her out. :D
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 07:02:10 am: Or The Institute.

Ops.
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Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2002, 07:06:09 am: :D

Hey, where's Shrike been lately? Stuck in the PS2?
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 07:29:02 am: Nah, I left the PS2 with my brother this week. Shrike already finished all the games that I bought, and I don't have time to play anyway. He's playing I-War 2 again, and stopping me from working on MT. :D
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Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2002, 08:12:35 am: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
Nah, I left the PS2 with my brother this week. Shrike already finished all the games that I bought, and I don't have time to play anyway. He's playing I-War 2 again, and stopping me from working on MT. :D
Oh, yeah, sure. :p

'One more mission... damn, I died. One more mission....'
Styxx ends up going to bed at 1 in the morning after playing many one more missions. :D

Oh, by the way......... It's an MT Massacre in here!
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 08:39:59 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Oh, yeah, sure. :p

'One more mission... damn, I died. One more mission....'
Styxx ends up going to bed at 1 in the morning after playing many one more missions. :D

Oh, by the way......... It's an MT Massacre in here!

Hey, it's not my fault, it's the game! It's the GAME, dammit!!

* runs *
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Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2002, 08:48:53 am: Look at you, hacker...
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Post by: mikhael on March 13, 2002, 08:50:54 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Look at you, hacker...

I'll bet you like it when pants and sweats running through your corridors. ;)

Don't forget, the Hacker defeated Shodan--or at least banished her. Its kind of difficult to beat a perfect, immortal being. ;)
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Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2002, 08:53:09 am: See, that's why I convinved him to start playing IW2 again. So he doesn't have time to stop m..... I mean SHODAN's plans.
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Post by: mikhael on March 13, 2002, 09:00:33 am: Truly, diabolical machinations.
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Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2002, 09:02:34 am: I'm glad you approve. :D
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Post by: Thorn on March 13, 2002, 09:03:09 am: You know, this seems to happen when I post a render, it gets turned into some sort of discussion..
Not that I'm complaining though, just an observation...
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 09:04:56 am: :D

I-War 2 is evil enough. I'm getting tired of having to replay missions because of stupid bugs (like the sniper cannon one). :p
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Post by: mikhael on March 13, 2002, 09:06:21 am: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
:D

I-War 2 is evil enough. I'm getting tired of having to replay missions because of stupid bugs (like the sniper cannon one). :p

What bug? You can complete this mission even if you fail to get the sniper cannon.
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Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2002, 09:09:22 am: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
You know, this seems to happen when I post a render, it gets turned into some sort of discussion..
Not that I'm complaining though, just an observation...
Good. ;)

Hey, it keeps your thread at the top, right? ;)
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Post by: Styxx on March 13, 2002, 10:39:30 am: Mad Posters™, Inc. Adding visibility to your threads, since 1999.
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Post by: Thorn on March 13, 2002, 11:06:14 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Good. ;)

Hey, it keeps your thread at the top, right? ;)

True :D
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Post by: Setekh on March 14, 2002, 04:24:49 am: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
Mad Posters™, Inc. Adding visibility to your threads, since 1999.

Bah, you're just a lightweight Mad Poster™. I'm the real driving force behind this gig. That doesn't mean I'm the brains of the operation, mind you... *looks in SH....rike's direction*

Look at your postcount, hacker...
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Post by: Nico on March 14, 2002, 05:44:58 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh

Bah, you're just a lightweight Mad Poster™. I'm the real driving force behind this gig. That doesn't mean I'm the brains of the operation, mind you... *looks in SH....rike's direction*

Look at your postcount, hacker...

hmm... No, nothing :D
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Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2002, 08:23:11 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh
Bah, you're just a lightweight Mad Poster™. I'm the real driving force behind this gig. That doesn't mean I'm the brains of the operation, mind you... *looks in SH....rike's direction*

Look at your postcount, hacker...
Just wait till I get back on a fat pipe.....
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Post by: mikhael on March 14, 2002, 09:08:37 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Just wait till I get back on a fat pipe.....

Must... not... Must... resist... bad humor...
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Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2002, 09:15:14 am: You think you can best me? :p
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Post by: Thorn on March 14, 2002, 09:15:26 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Just wait till I get back on a fat pipe.....

Oh god....
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Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2002, 09:29:27 am: And here I was, thinking you guys were mature. ;)
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Post by: Styxx on March 14, 2002, 09:48:07 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh
Bah, you're just a lightweight Mad Poster™. I'm the real driving force behind this gig. That doesn't mean I'm the brains of the operation, mind you... *looks in SH....rike's direction*

Look at your postcount, hacker...

That just because I prefer to work behind the scenes, you know? :D
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Post by: Nico on March 14, 2002, 11:15:06 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
And here I was, thinking you guys were mature. ;)

you did? :lol:
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Post by: Thorn on March 14, 2002, 11:24:49 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
And here I was, thinking you guys were mature. ;)

Ma..ature?
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Post by: CODEDOG ND on March 14, 2002, 08:35:41 pm: Damn Thorn...think you got enough avtars?!?!?! :nod:

Mature? Us? Please!!! That question answers itself. ;7
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Post by: mikhael on March 14, 2002, 08:39:48 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
And here I was, thinking you guys were mature. ;)

Yeah, and SHODAN is an awfully mature subject.... Yowza! Talk about some sexy circuitry. :D

I could never join the Many. I want to be SHODAN's eternal machine slave. :D
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Post by: Thorn on March 14, 2002, 09:53:28 pm: After hearing that, I've suddenly lost all desire to play that game...
Gee, thanks mik...
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Post by: Setekh on March 15, 2002, 05:08:21 am: Quote
Originally posted by mikhael
Must... not... Must... resist... bad humor...

:D

...

:D

...

I'm sorry, that just made me crack up. :lol:
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Post by: Nico on March 15, 2002, 05:14:20 am: Quote
Originally posted by mikhael

Yeah, and SHODAN is an awfully mature subject.... Yowza! Talk about some sexy circuitry. :D

I could never join the Many. I want to be SHODAN's eternal machine slave. :D

gee, don't try to plug yourself with her ;7
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Post by: Setekh on March 15, 2002, 05:35:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506
gee, don't try to plug yourself with her ;7

:lol:

Oh, that joke was... OVER THE TOP... (http://216.40.198.77/mysmilies/s/otn/other/icon2.gif)

:D
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Post by: Nico on March 15, 2002, 05:40:25 am: lol, as I said to Dragonclaw, my jokes can be... terrible :p
hey, you can't be always good :D
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Post by: Setekh on March 15, 2002, 05:42:58 am: :D

Well, when in doubt...

...

POUUM POOUM POOOOOUUUUUUUM.......
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Post by: Nico on March 15, 2002, 06:06:16 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh
:D

Well, when in doubt...

...

POUUM POOUM POOOOOUUUUUUUM.......

:lol:

"waiting for Mikhael to show up"
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Post by: Styxx on March 15, 2002, 06:56:38 am: Noooooooooooo! Noooooooooooooooooo! Aaaaaaaaahhhh!

* starts to run away *

Nooooooooooooooooo! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh! Noooooooooooo!

* vanished in the distance, still screaming *
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Post by: Shrike on March 15, 2002, 08:41:09 am: Quote
Originally posted by mikhael
I could never join the Many. I want to be SHODAN's eternal machine slave. :D
Just be careful to check if you have compatible I/O ports. :D
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Post by: mikhael on March 15, 2002, 10:01:45 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Just be careful to check if you have compatible I/O ports. :D

My I/O is full duplex, baby, and standards compliant. My hardware is ready for her software. We're talking about a lot of bandwidth, if you know what I mean. I'm ready for megabytes of her megabits.
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Post by: Shrike on March 15, 2002, 10:45:30 am: I just hope your hard drive doesn't burn out.
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Post by: Thorn on March 15, 2002, 10:54:09 am: yep..
this game is going in the fire now...
I hate you Mik..
You've given me a reason to play Serious Sam....
The most mindless game ever created...
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Post by: mikhael on March 15, 2002, 11:05:26 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
I just hope your hard drive doesn't burn out.

Burn out? RAID5+1, my friend. Big drives and reliability. I'm not some two-bit hacker with substandard hardware. :D
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Post by: Shrike on March 15, 2002, 11:19:52 am: Good, wouldn't want a head crash partway through the operation.
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Post by: Styxx on March 15, 2002, 11:45:11 am: I SO MUCH shouldn't have read this... :eek2:
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Post by: Thorn on March 15, 2002, 11:53:40 am: Wasnt Shrike claiming to be SHODAN a while ago?
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Post by: Styxx on March 15, 2002, 12:19:01 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
Wasnt Shrike claiming to be SHODAN a while ago?

That's why I said I shouldn't have read this... :p
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Post by: mikhael on March 15, 2002, 12:21:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
I SO MUCH shouldn't have read this... :eek2:

It could be worse. Don't get me started on 3d stuff. ;)
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Post by: Shrike on March 15, 2002, 01:57:45 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
Wasnt Shrike claiming to be SHODAN a while ago?
No.......I never claimed I was SHODAN. Uhhh.....

Look! A bunny!

(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/shrike/rabbit.jpg)

Thanks to ProvostQ for this one
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Post by: Nico on March 15, 2002, 02:01:54 pm: Praise the Holly hand grenade!!!!
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Post by: Thorn on March 15, 2002, 02:34:03 pm: Oh no, you're not getting off that easy...
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Post by: Shrike on March 15, 2002, 02:55:21 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
Oh no, you're not getting off that easy...
Watch me. :p

Besides, Setekh was the one who turned into SHODAN, remember?
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Post by: mikhael on March 15, 2002, 03:17:56 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Watch me. :p

Do we really have to see this? ;)
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Post by: Setekh on March 15, 2002, 05:52:11 pm: Oh... my... ummm...

(http://www.grillsportverein.de/smilies/cwm/3dlil/tard.gif)
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Post by: Thorn on March 18, 2002, 06:19:39 pm: well, anyway..
I've updated it...
Its a biggie...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/tap/renders/thedestroyers1.jpg)
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Post by: mikhael on March 18, 2002, 08:34:19 pm: Sexy. Is it just me, or does that have a sort of artsy painted feel?
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Post by: Mr. Vega on March 18, 2002, 08:38:39 pm: Ouch to the Mothership.

Is it just me, or is the Ravana almost as big as the Sathanas?
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Post by: Thorn on March 18, 2002, 10:39:38 pm: The Sath is behind them, quite a ways too...
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Post by: Styxx on March 19, 2002, 06:35:51 am: It just needs better perspective - right now it looks like the ships are side by side, with the scale way off...

But it's damn good, the effect on the Shivan ships is great... :nod:
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Post by: Thorn on March 19, 2002, 02:22:35 pm: What? You cant tell that the claw on that Sath is behind the Moloch?
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Post by: mikhael on March 19, 2002, 08:57:49 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thorn
What? You cant tell that the claw on that Sath is behind the Moloch?

Nope. I'd move the Moloch over so that it obscures the Sathanas a bit.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on March 19, 2002, 09:59:04 pm: Either that or scoot the S back some more, or do something with the warp graphics
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Post by: NegspectahDek on March 19, 2002, 10:23:01 pm: I think I know what the problem is - there isnt enough differentiation between the individual subspace portals. As a result, they blend into each other and it seems like theyre right next to each other. As to fixing it, I can't help you, cause giving the nodes would be... off
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Post by: mikhael on March 19, 2002, 10:25:44 pm: Quote
Originally posted by NegspectahDek
I think I know what the problem is - there isnt enough differentiation between the individual subspace portals. As a result, they blend into each other and it seems like theyre right next to each other. As to fixing it, I can't help you, cause giving the nodes would be... off

Perhaps moving the Sathanas back a bit, then changing the portals on the forward two ships to a slightly different color AND have some of that light illuminate the front of the Sath. That might make it very clear what is where..
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Post by: Thorn on March 19, 2002, 10:31:51 pm: I suppose I'll do that tomorrow, right after I finish homework... *grumbles*
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Post by: Setekh on March 22, 2002, 09:28:34 pm: Updated the galleries...