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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Inferno => Topic started by: Razor on March 12, 2002, 03:58:16 am
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What is that ship anyway? A hive ship? It said so on the old site.
Can you give me a bit more info on Gargant? How big is it? What weaponry does it carry? Is it bigger than the Gigas or the SJ. S.?
What is it's importance to the Shivans?
How come that no weapon in the GTVA can destroy it? Does it have shields or something? Is it protected by something else?
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Originally posted by Razor
How come that no weapon in the GTVA can destroy it? Does it have shields or something? Is it protected by something else?
I think it's just jaw-droppingly massive..........
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What is that ship anyway?
A hive ship
How big is it?
37.8km
What weaponry does it carry?
20 URed (Gigas forward cannon)
Is it bigger than the Gigas or the SJ. S.?
Gigas: 20km, Sath: about 5km
What is it's importance to the Shivans?
Sort of a flagship, a central point for the Shivans.
How come that no weapon in the GTVA can destroy it?
It has 250 times the HP of the Apoc. Guess why :D
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What only 38 km?
And invulnarable eh? Well there is only one ship in the galaxy that can take that thing down, and it is comming in the DE Campaign. :D
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Now let's see Apocalypse has 3000000 HPs and this one has 250 times so....................:jaw: :eek: that's exactly: 750 000 000 Hit points
*Faints*
And woomeister how do you suppose GTVA is gonna take that thing down? Hey I know, let's crash-land it on some watery planet and let it drown! :D :D ;)
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Originally posted by Woomeister
It has 250 times the HP of the Apoc. Guess why :D
Cause you want to exterminate the universe with that thing?
Join the Shivan side!! It is your destiny!!
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Originally posted by Woomeister
How come that no weapon in the GTVA can destroy it?
It has 250 times the HP of the Apoc. Guess why :D
Well, if you want to compare it to the Apoc, even with 250 times the hitpoints, it would still die. ;)
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My ship is better!
No, mine is better!
No, mine!
Mine!
Mine!
* fight begins *
:D
This is just to show how this kind of argument just can't work. Anyone can make a huge ship with lots of hitpoints and weapons...
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Originally posted by Razor
Now let's see Apocalypse has 3000000 HPs and this one has 250 times so....................:jaw: :eek: that's exactly: 750 000 000 Hit points
The Apoc i'm using has 12 000 000 hp, so the Gargant has 3 000 000 000 hp :D
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Originally posted by Woomeister
The Apoc i'm using has 12 000 000 hp, so the Gargant has 3 000 000 000 hp :D
OK I think you are going too far now. It doesn't make any sence. The Gigas is about 20 km and correct me if i am wrong, it has 3 000 000 000 hit points. And SH is, say about 18 km longer, ok make it 2 times longer. Then how does it have 250 times more hitpoints? You will have to give a more logical explenation for this one? ;)
It doesn't make a lot of sence to me. Proportionally it is not right.
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The Gargant is a far higher tech level than the Gigas. The Gigas is what I class a level 4 ship while the Gargant is level 6. It doesn't go by size it goes by the technology level of the vessel.
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Originally posted by Razor
OK I think you are going too far now. It doesn't make any sence. The Gigas is about 20 km and correct me if i am wrong, it has 3 000 000 000 hit points. And SH is, say about 18 km longer, ok make it 2 times longer. Then how does it have 250 times more hitpoints? You will have to give a more logical explenation for this one? ;)
It doesn't make a lot of sence to me. Proportionally it is not right.
You've got the Gigas confused with the Apoc, the Apoc is smaller than the Gigas by quite a bit.
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oh, also, gargant may be only twice longer, mut mass wise, it's much more, after all, the apoc is just a big thing with a veryyyy long stick (any weird comment about that comparison is very unwelcome ;7 )
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You can put 10 Apocalypse into the Gargant, well 9 before fred crashed :lol:
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Originally posted by Woomeister
You can put 10 Apocalypse into the Gargant, well 9 before fred crashed :lol:
:eek: *faints*
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So You guys think that Gargant is invincibe eh?
Well it is not! :D There is only one ship in the galaxy that can stop it. A ship so powerful,l that can take at least 6 Sathanas juggernauts at the time. It has 10 000 000 hitpoints and an array of deadly weapons. The ship is named: EXCELSIOR !!! And it can be found in the Dark Empire campaign.
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Originally posted by Razor
So You guys think that Gargant is invincibe eh?
The Gargant isn't, but the ******* and the ******* ********** are :D
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Ok, but can you please explain what does stars mean? Doesn't give too many clues to what you are talking about. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Razor
Ok, but can you please explain what does stars mean? Doesn't give too many clues to what you are talking about. :rolleyes:
Censored, I don't want to give any clues about these ships :)
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Originally posted by Razor
Ok, but can you please explain what does stars mean? Doesn't give too many clues to what you are talking about. :rolleyes:
That's the point ;)
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Originally posted by Woomeister
The Gargant isn't, but the *******
That one is in a pic with the Gargant on the staff board :D
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yeah, and if you're brave enough, you could find it somewhere in the public modding forums, in an old, old thread :D
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Yeah, but the other doesn't exist yet so don't bother looking for that :D
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Originally posted by Woomeister
That one is in a pic with the Gargant on the staff board :D
:lol:, that's a whole lot of use to him as well :D
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Originally posted by Setekh
:lol:, that's a whole lot of use to him as well :D
:drevil:
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Originally posted by Razor
So You guys think that Gargant is invincibe eh?
Well it is not! :D There is only one ship in the galaxy that can stop it. A ship so powerful,l that can take at least 6 Sathanas juggernauts at the time. It has 10 000 000 hitpoints and an array of deadly weapons. The ship is named: EXCELSIOR !!! And it can be found in the Dark Empire campaign.
Look, I added a few extra zeroes to the Garghant's hitpoints. Now it's invincible! Sigh.
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Since everyone's p1mp1ing their campaign ships...
Lucifer! Now THAT's invulnerable.
:snipe:
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My Scyros with it's UProm will win. 6000000000 damage a shot....
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
My Scyros with it's UProm will win. 6000000000 damage a shot....
my suicide Ra escape pod would win, it rams into any ships, and produces a shockwave dealing 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999 damage that covers the whole battlefield.
your punny ships are no match for it
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Originally posted by venom2506
my suicide Ra escape pod would win, it rams into any ships, and produces a shockwave dealing 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999 damage that covers the whole battlefield.
your punny ships are no match for it
:eek2:
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it was just a pun ;7
those excalation in damage and HP just makes me laugh :D
A real number: the Duat has 73 turrets, so make better :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
it was just a pun ;7
those excalation in damage and HP just makes me laugh :D
A real number: the Duat has 73 turrets, so make better :p
I know, it's kinda crazy huh? :D
I heard about that Duat, poor Ice has to turret it ;)
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hehe, the duat should be converted for tonight woomeister told me :)
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Originally posted by venom2506
hehe, the duat should be converted for tonight woomeister told me :)
He bribed me :D
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Bah just like the Gaia, the thing won't convert :D Venom get online asap :)
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Originally posted by Alikchi
Look, I added a few extra zeroes to the Garghant's hitpoints. Now it's invincible! Sigh.
Oh really? Playing rough eh? The Shivans will never win. :p There will always be good Terrans and Vasudans that will fight them. So join us! Come to the Vasudan side! Do not resist! It is your destiny!! :D Hey why don't we have a Darth Vader smiley? :D
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correct me if I'm wrong, but FS1 wasn't a real victory for terrans or vasudans, and in fs2, the shivan were victorious? :D
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That is correct :nod:
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Originally posted by venom2506
correct me if I'm wrong, but FS1 wasn't a real victory for terrans or vasudans, and in fs2, the shivan were victorious? :D
Originally posted by untouchable That is correct
Excuse me? FS1 not a real victory? Who said? We stopped the Lucifer Fleet from wiping out the Terrans and Vasudans; averting extinction is a victory in my book.
And FS2, the Shivans were victorious? I think not. The Sathanas fleet was all set to wipe us out again, but we managed to keep them at bay when we cut off Capella from the rest of the GTVA. Once again, we stopped the Shivans from extinguishing both our species. Sure, the Shivans inflicted very heavy casualties on us during both wars, but that's to be expected. You don't judge whether you're victorious in war by how small your casualties are (or, conversely, you don't judge your loss by how many people you lose). You judge your victories by whether or not you accomplished your objectives in stopping or destroying the enemy.
In FS1, our objective was to stop the Shivan invasion. When we destroyed the Lucifer (and mopped up the remaining Shivans), we did that. We saved Earth and the rest of Terran-Vasudan space. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
In FS2, another impending invasion was looming when we managed to collapse all the nodes leading to Capella, trapping the Shivan invasion fleet away from Terran-Vasudan space. This second invasion was also averted. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Of course, everyone knows that this is only a temporary solution; it's only a matter of time before the GTVA runs into the Shivans again. So I'll be willing to call FS2 a draw at worst.
But no way am I going to look at either FS1 or FS2 and say that we "lost" either war, despite how heavy our casualties were.
The day we lose a war to the Shivans is the day we go extinct.
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Yeah, humans are like that; fight to the death, make the enemy pay for every yard they gain.
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originally posted by Su-tehp
And FS2, the Shivans were victorious? I think not. The Sathanas fleet was all set to wipe us out again, but we managed to keep them at bay when we cut off Capella from the rest of the GTVA. Once again, we stopped the Shivans from extinguishing both our species. Sure, the Shivans inflicted very heavy casualties on us during both wars, but that's to be expected. You don't judge whether you're victorious in war by how small your casualties are (or, conversely, you don't judge your loss by how many people you lose). You judge your victories by whether or not you accomplished your objectives in stopping or destroying the enemy.
i'm not sure about that cos the Shivans went straight to the Capella star only destroying wotever stood in there path to the Star and in the cutscene we see them jumping out the system, so they are not trapped in system, so in a sense the shivans attaind a victory,
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Su-thep:
FS1: do you call losing two homeworlds a victory? Shivan objective was to destroy the homeworlds, well, they dstroyed one and isolated tnhe second. I call FS1 a draw game
FS2: The Shivans were isolated in Capella. Yup, that's true, but what was the use of that? Capella was their objective... The GTVA kindda locked the killer and the victim in the same room :rooleyes: If the shivans wanted to, they could have swarmed the GTVA way earlier during FS2 ( for exemple, the Sathanas that destroyed the Colossus could just have go on in GTVA space, where nothing could have stoped it). The Shivan destroyed their target, the GTVA closed nodes for nothing ( everything that was in Capella was destroyed). I call that victory for the shivans.
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Originally posted by Setekh
Yeah, humans are like that; fight to the death, make the enemy pay for every yard they gain.
Yes that may be true but Vasudans never give up. When a fellow Vasudan dies, they say: Not sorrow, but VENGEANCE! So they are VENGEFUL. And besides, Vasudans have some very good kick ass ships like: Hatshepsut, Ptah, Mentu, Sobek... crud.. I can't name them all. OK I love them all. :D :D
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This is just a bit OT....
But anyway, I like the Terrans, but the Shivans are just too powerful...
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How about you make a 100 km long shivan ship and then you can make it invulnurable.
Just think. A 100 km long monster made to slaughter anything in it's path. ;7
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Originally posted by venom2506
Su-thep:
FS1: do you call losing two homeworlds a victory? Shivan objective was to destroy the homeworlds, well, they dstroyed one and isolated tnhe second. I call FS1 a draw game
FS2: The Shivans were isolated in Capella. Yup, that's true, but what was the use of that? Capella was their objective... The GTVA kindda locked the killer and the victim in the same room :rooleyes: If the shivans wanted to, they could have swarmed the GTVA way earlier during FS2 ( for example, the Sathanas that destroyed the Colossus could just have go on in GTVA space, where nothing could have stoped it). The Shivan destroyed their target, the GTVA closed nodes for nothing ( everything that was in Capella was destroyed). I call that victory for the shivans.
Venom, the Shivans' objective in both wars was to exterminate both the Terrans and the Vasudans. They failed both times because we're still here. In FS1, the Lucifer fleet came to kill off ALL Terran-Vasudan worlds; Earth and Vasuda Prime were only the primary targets. It seems that once Earth and Vasuda Prime were out of the way (because Earth had the largest concentrations of Terrans and Vasuda prime had the largest concentrations of Vasudans), I don't doubt that The Lucifer fleet would have gone on to destroy the other colony planets next.
As for FS2, what makes you say that Capella ALONE was the Sathanas fleet sole objective? What makes you think that the Shivans would NOT have advanced into the rest of Terran-Vasudan space if we hadn't collapsed the Capella nodes? :rolleyes: How do you know that it wasn't the objective of the Shivans to make EVERY star in Terran-Vasudan space go nova? This is something that would have required the entire Sathanas fleet so a single juggernaut (like the one that killed the Colossus) wandering off alone further into GTVA space would have been counter-productive. Once the GTVA collapsed the nodes, the Shivans couldn't advance any farther, even though I'm sure they wanted to.
I'm convinced the Shivans WERE trying to exterminate us during both wars. And in the face of being attacked by the Shivans, a species that effortlessly eliminated a race that created an empire spanning several galaxies (yes, I'm talking about the Ancients here), continued survival is a victory.
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what makes me think the sathanas were aiming at Capella only? Easy: You may have noticed that half of them jumped out and the other half was destroyed. Whatever happened, there's no sathanas left in Capella, so they were not trapped by the NGTA which blown up two nodes for nothing. So don't :rolleyes: at me when you don't consider all the facts. Thery would have wanted to kill us all in FS2, they would just have done it, they wouldn't have stopped at capella, the 80 sathanas would have crushed the NGTA like I crush an ant. If you want to exterminate a species, you don't blow up stars, you blow up ships and when that is done, you blow up colonies, just like the Lucifer did.
For FS1, I don't concider it a victory, sorry. For the shivans, this was probably just a little skirmich, what did they lose? a big destroyer, 4 or 5 smaller ones, and two handfull of cruisers. What did we lose? entire fleets and two homeworld. Now that's a victory. You're the kind of guy who would call a victory a match that you were losing, but eventually your challenger had to leave for some reason before the end of the match.edit: btw, if earth and vasuda were the primary targets, as they got both, doesn't that makes them consider their mission as a success? if we consider we beat our own ( destroying the Lucifer), that makes a draw.
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Enough already.
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The Shivans have other things to be concerned about........
And whoever assumed attacking Sol (Earth was never confrimed as the target) and Vasuda Prime was intended to exterminate the Terrans and Vasudans?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
The Shivans have other things to be concerned about........
Shameless Nightmare p1mp!
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Originally posted by aldo_14
The Shivans have other things to be concerned about........
And so do the GTVA :D
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By the way Woomeister, go here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,6197.0.html) and introduce yourself with the Gargants worst nightmare, the Excelsior, the best ship in the galaxy. :D :D
It can take down the Gargant in no time. It has 6 of my specially made ***** beams which can fry a fully operational Sathanas in one shot. :D
Shivans are about to meet the ship that will change the odds.
Coming to Epsiode 2 of the Dark Empire campaign
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Originally posted by Razor
It can take down the Gargant in no time. It has 6 of my specially made ***** beams which can fry a fully operational Sathanas in one shot. :D
Bah the Gigas can do that :D
and so can the Jotun :D (nearly)
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Originally posted by Woomeister
Bah the Gigas can do that :D
and so can the Jotun :D (nearly)
*Sarcastic* Really? No kidding?
I am not gonna tell you guys a lot about this ship but when the Episode 2 comes, oh yeah, :D the Shivans will have to hire some of their nurses to change their diapers after a hard battle against the GTVA.
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By the way Woomeister. Did you use the deisgn for the Jotun from the FS1 credits? Come on admit it! Don't make me post a screenshot of that ship in those credits!
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Venom made it from the concept pic :p
There's a thread about it in the modding forum.
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Well at least you admited. Is there a download of it along with the special bombs that Jotun carries?
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Originally posted by Razor
Well at least you admited. Is there a download of it along with the special bombs that Jotun carries?
Admitted what? Venom made it as someone challenged him to do it. Most people know this.
It isn't avaliable yet (needs selection icon)
and I won't be including it's bomb if I do release it.
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Originally posted by Razor
Well at least you admited.
Dude, everyone knows that's why it was built in the first place... :p :)
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yeah, and it's not the only one, i also made the benkei, the serpent and the hydra from V concept pics. That's no secret :)
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Ennead was too wasn't it?
My Notus is based on a concept too :)
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Could I see the Gargant in action ?
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The only pics I have of the gargant are with classified ships, I'll make new pics this weekend :D
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Originally posted by Woomeister
The Apoc i'm using has 12 000 000 hp, so the Gargant has 3 000 000 000 hp :D
THREE BILLION HIT POINTS. A number that big doesn't even exist!!!
HOLY SOMETHING!!!!
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
fells on the floor fainting
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Originally posted by Woomeister
Ennead was too wasn't it?
My Notus is based on a concept too :)
yes, the ennead too. I make too any models, i can't remember them all lol
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and 3 billion isn't our highest hp either ;)
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Originally posted by Woomeister
and 3 billion isn't our highest hp either ;)
Don't make me add some extra ZEROs on the Excelsior dude! :drevil: :drevil:
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Zero's war :p :D
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Zeros nothing. Add NINES. :drevil:
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Originally posted by Woomeister
The Apoc i'm using has 12 000 000 hp, so the Gargant has 3 000 000 000 hp :D
Oh yeah? Well I am better! :D The Excelsior now has 3 000 000 001 :p
:thepimp: SMOKIN! :thepimp:
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:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by venom2506
:rolleyes:
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You two probably don't realise that this was a joke?
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Umm yeah I did :D
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Law stroles in, Steak looks at Law, Law stroles out... homer style
:thepimp:Pimp it like a dog boys!:thepimp:
;7 ;7
down there!
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Originally posted by LAW ENFORCER
:thepimp:Pimp it like a dog boys!:thepimp:
;7 ;7
down there!
:snipe: :snipe: :snipe: :snipe:
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By the way, Wooemister, when are you gonna post those screenshots?
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When I have a chance to do them, I'm converting now :D