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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: WS-Thunder on March 12, 2002, 10:45:30 pm
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In the Great war, were beam cannons suposed to be allready mounted on ships and they just weren't used? Or did they develope beam cannon technology between the Great War and FS2?
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It was developed between FS1 and FS2. Probably about 5-10 years after the collapse of the Sol node.
If they would of been already developed the Vasudan Typhons would of had 1 or 2, considering they were brand new ships in the Great war if i remember right...
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I think... the Shivans were supposed to have them, and not have used them during the actual missions (wasn't the Lucy firing a beam in at least one?). The GTVA reverse-engineered them later on.
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The Lucy had what were referred to in FS1 as "flux cannons," which were forerunners of the modern FS2 beam weapons. Once we observed these cannons in action during the First Great War, I doubt it was long before Terran and Vasudan scientists managed to come up with their own prototypes and installed them on GTVA cap ships sometime before 2367.
I doubt the Lucy's flux cannons were reverse-engineered as such. Remember, the Lucy was the only Shivan ship with flux/beam cannons during FS1. The Lucy exploded in the Sol system and cut off Earth from the GTVA. With the Lucy debris stuck at Sol and beyond the GTVA's reach, the GTVA would not have anything to reverse-engineer. To reverse-enginner something, you have to have it in front of you so you can take it apart and see how it works. If the Lucy debris is in Sol, which has been cut off from the GTVA, then, by definition, the GTVA can't examine it.
And the scientists at Earth can't talk to the rest of the GTVA to tell them what they learned from the Lucy debris because the people in Sol can't use their subspace radios to contact the rest of T-V space, because the subspace node was collapsed. Take a look at the tech database; everything about Earth in there says specifically that all contact (including "subspace radio", if that's what it could be called) with Earth was lost. No ships could get through, no transmissions could get through, not even spitwads could get through (although that last really doesn't mean much as I've never encountered anyone who could propel spitwads across several light years. Go figure.)
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Radio wave could however. What should have happened was 4 years after Lucy went down, they should have picked up a transmission in Alpha Centauri. They didn't however, for a reason that was never sufficiently explained.
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Hmh, Lucifer's main guns probably were supposed to be "real" beam guns, as we know such a weapon is possible in FS1 engine, not just update FS2 engine.
But then... probably devs didn't thought it that way... or something...
But I like the Lucy-beams someone from this community made. :)
Good replacements. :)
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Yeah, I assume the luci flux guns were just beams. V didn't call them that way, co, honestly, in FS1, do they look like beams? nah, they're ugly slow things.
For the reverse engineering, don't forget you had to scan the damn thing, here comes your infos to make your own beams :p
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They actually could have been made to look like beams by setting the velocity really high...
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury
But I like the Lucy-beams someone from this community made. :)
Good replacements. :)
Thanks! :thepimp:
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I have to admit I was a little bit suprised when I actually saw the L's 'beams'... in a sort of oh, that's a bit pants isn't it? sort of way. Hooray for BFReds!
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One interesting thing, is that the Lucifers beam cannons were slower, but they seemed to be more powerful than the terran or vasuaden beam cannons. They took an Orion out with one shot if I remember correctly :) I figured they might have been developed 10 or 11 years after the Great War too :) This info helped me out a lot guys!
Hey GalacticEmporor, could you send me the Lucifer with the beam cannons? I only want to use it in one very important level that takes place during the Great War:)
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am I the only one thaty tried to fly into the lucy's beams?
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Originally posted by WS-Thunder
Hey GalacticEmporor, could you send me the Lucifer with the beam cannons? I only want to use it in one very important level that takes place during the Great War:)
Check my site. If you don't want to download the whole port vp ( :lol: ) there are two separate weapons.tbl downloads avaliable. They both have the same LuciferBeams, however, so help yourself. Stick them on turrets 1 and 2 on the Lucifer.
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Originally posted by NegspectahDek
am I the only one thaty tried to fly into the lucy's beams?
nope...and then get all confused because the trail wasn't damaging you?
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In my non cannon fiction campaign that took place in the late 2330's after Silent Threat, one of the last shivan destroyers was equipped with a beam weapon smaller and much less destructive (but still powerful). The destroyer was called SD-"Niffleheim" which in Norse mythology is the undeworld or Hell. It is cannon fact that it took several years to drive the shivans out completely from the terran vasudan system probably into 2338 or 2339. In my would have been campaign, The Niffleheim was the last great threat to the GTA and PVA. A large task force of Detroyers was able to destroy the bulk of the Niffleheim in a matter of weeks but it came at a heavy burden. The newest refitted Orion class cruiser armed with promethius based "gattling" and "Heavy Ultra" turrets rammed the Niffleheim and it to was destroyed. Because of recoverable reckage from the Shivan ship, GTA and PVA Scientist quickly began work on reverse engineering this new "Red Death" Beam. By the end of the Vasudan Civil war in late 2339, the first true photon beam cannons had been made. No major scientific study due to lack of funding was given to the promethius turret based weapon system because of the lack of argon and "Red Death" seemed more viable.
Maybe you could use that story for the discovery of beam cannon weaponry!!
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Originally posted by WS-Thunder
One interesting thing, is that the Lucifers beam cannons were slower, but they seemed to be more powerful than the terran or vasuaden beam cannons.
Hell, as far as I remember they are every bit BFReds equal. Slower fire rate, but hell, thats controlled by the turret-fire event. Put 4 of those on a Sath, and see how long the Colossus lasts. :nod: