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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Rampage on March 13, 2002, 09:59:21 am
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Vote and post your comments below.
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The comm node.
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Basilisk...
Slow, dumb, goes down easy...
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Definitely the Basilisk. It goes very slow and has armor made of paper.
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Originally posted by Thorn
Basilisk...
Slow, dumb, goes down easy...
Yeah, kind of like the original Herc. But wait, we love the Herc, don't we? Yeah, that's right. Hypocrites.
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Originally posted by CP5670
Definitely the Basilisk. It goes very slow and has armor made of paper.
Armour made of kleenex more like :)
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You forgot the SFr Dis.... holy Sathanas wanna-be
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But it is fun to kill :mad2:
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SF Scorpion
That thing is bulky and just wants me to aim it :D:D:D:D
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Toss up between the Aeshma and the Basilisk... both are pretty poor. :D
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Who voted Dragon? That things an absolute legend!
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Who voted Dragon? That things an absolute legend!
Whoever voted for the SF Dragon probably has a few wires missing. But the Dragon has low secondary capabilities.
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Your point being? I've seen it in FS dodge fire from at least 8 fighters for a full minute before I killed it.
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In a dogfight, the Basilik is destroyed fairly easily. Although a wing of 'em against a freighter or the like and if they get into missile range it's generally goodbye freighter.
On the lighter side, the most useless Shivan craft has to the 'Sathanas in the distance' (can't remember its proper designation). Can't fire and at close range looks really bad!:D
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Originally posted by Tar-Palantir
In a dogfight, the Basilik is destroyed fairly easily. Although a wing of 'em against a freighter or the like and if they get into missile range it's generally goodbye freighter.
On the lighter side, the most useless Shivan craft has to the 'Sathanas in the distance' (can't remember its proper designation). Can't fire and at close range looks really bad!:D
Its there for a reason my friend, how do you think (V) got 87 sathanas in one mission without crashing it? Becaues if you target the SJD Sathanas, it looks just like a normal sathanas on your hud.
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Hmmh. There was no Moloch, and I did not have the heart to vote for the Basilisk :( (they're useful for getting kills), so I went for the Astaroth. Pump a harpoon into one, and its history. Interceptor my @$$
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Tie between Aeshma and Astaroth.
Someday I'm going to release my True Shivans mod..
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Aeshma, without a doubt. Piece. Of . ****.
The Basilisk is, too, but it seems like it could kick ass with a human player at the controls (Herc II level, at least), and at the very least doesn't look like crap, like the Aeshma.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Aeshma, without a doubt. Piece. Of . ****.
The Basilisk is, too, but it seems like it could kick ass with a human player at the controls (Herc II level, at least), and at the very least doesn't look like crap, like the Aeshma.
Hafta agree, the Aeshma is as visually attractive as a fat shivan making 'wuv to a fat zog.... sorry for the comparison :p
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Originally posted by LtNarol
Its there for a reason my friend, how do you think (V) got 87 sathanas in one mission without crashing it? Becaues if you target the SJD Sathanas, it looks just like a normal sathanas on your hud.
excepted I think it was just a pcx :p
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It was a PCX and 8 or so SJDs.
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but if you target a SJD Sathanas, it shows as a regular sathanas in the lower left corner of your hud, which was my point. If there had actually been 87 sathanas in that mission, or even 10, the game would have lagged severely.
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Defintely the Basilisk....
Second of course would definitely be the Shiatan. That thing is nothing more than an annoying target for me to blow to atoms.
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I think we need to arm the minisath and make it a fighter... with one big BFRed between the points!
Shivan miniaturization!
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Astaroth <<< it goes down with a Pair of Harpoons without problems... that = Fail
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Originally posted by LtNarol
but if you target a SJD Sathanas, it shows as a regular sathanas in the lower left corner of your hud, which was my point. If there had actually been 87 sathanas in that mission, or even 10, the game would have lagged severely.
It's an LOD trick...
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Manticore... little ***** that just runs away.
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All of the ship in the poll have at least one redeeming characteristic, except the Aeshma.
The Aeshma does not mount the heavy weaps of the Mara or have the Missle capacity of the Basilisk, and it does not even come close to having the manuverability of the Dragon.
What was Volition thinking.
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I'd have to say that the Basilisk generally comes across as the most useless Shivan fighter. It ends up being no more than cannon fodder when it makes an appearance....
...ok, all Shivan fighters end up being cannon fodder, the Basilisk just falls the easiest. :)
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Originally posted by Kazashi
...ok, all Shivan fighters end up being cannon fodder
You're only saying that because there are only two Shivan fighters we can fly, and they kick @$$. The other fighters are controlled by the AI, which sucks, so of course the ships are cannon fodder.
AI Hercs die easy too, but they're not 'cannon fodder' because most of the time they have a human pilot behind them. I think I made this point before, but everybody ignored me. :(
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
You're only saying that because there are only two Shivan fighters we can fly, and they kick @$$. The other fighters are controlled by the AI, which sucks, so of course the ships are cannon fodder.
That much is true. It remains to be seen as to whether the Basilisk under human control would fall short of other human controlled Shivan fighters in the same way as with AI.
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The Nephilim and Seraphim are death machines as far as primary weapons go. The Nephilim has only one gun bank, but the bank has seven firing mounts. The Seraphim has three primary banks; a six-mount, a two-mount and a three-mount. Very impressive. Both bombers have two turrets and four secondary banks. The secondary banks on the Nephilim are really small and pitiful considering the size of the bomber, but the Seraphim's are about the same as the Ursa or Sekhmet.
The Dragon and Mara are probably the better Shivan fighters. (original Shivan versions) The Dragon has great primaries - a two-mount and a three-mount bank, powerful shields for its size and unmatched maneuverability. The Mara is simply good as an all-round ship, with very good speed/maneuverability, strong armor and shielding and big secondary banks.
One of the main problems with the Shivan ships is that all the Shivan primary weapons really suck and they use crappier versions of the same secondaries as the GTVA. The light laser fires fast compared to the other two but is still slower than the Subach and does little damage. The heavy laser does twice the damage but fires at less than half the speed, and overall performs about the same as the light. The mega laser does double that of the heavy (Kayser-type damage), but fires even slower, making it not much better. :p
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Definitely the Aeshma. Its rather large target cross-section is complemented nicely by its superbly sluggish manuverability and slower-than-molasses speed. Has anyone else also noticed that the Shivans that pilot it tend to be rather dumb? Maybe its for the mentally challenged Shivan's self esteem. :)
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It was a toss-up between the basilisk and the manticore.
They're both easy kills, singly or grouped.
And nearly every fighter class that the shivans field has 100 hitpoints in armor. Look in the tables.
It'll also show why dragons have such good manueverability.
They're one of the rare ships that can accelerate in a direction other than straight forwrard.
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There's no useless shivan crafts, there's helpless mission designers.
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Originally posted by venom2506
There's no useless shivan crafts, there's helpless mission designers.
Quite right
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Whaaaaaat? Why's everybody stareing at me?
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There's no useless shivan crafts, there's helpless mission designers.
And bad shivan AI, of course. :D I bet a human pilot in a Basilisk could smash up everything. ;)
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right :)
Let me say it that way: I flew most of the shivan fighters when i was working for HT... well, the shivans ships owns, the manticore rules :)
the pb is, the shivan weapons suck.
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Originally posted by Slasher
Definitely the Aeshma. Its rather large target cross-section is complemented nicely by its superbly sluggish manuverability and slower-than-molasses speed. Has anyone else also noticed that the Shivans that pilot it tend to be rather dumb? Maybe its for the mentally challenged Shivan's self esteem. :)
Agreed, Ashema's. My little brother could take out a wing of them
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uh
*looks at dates*
:WTF:
oh, votebump, ok Free Terran (or if it'snot him, whoever voted this time), don't vote in old polls, it will bump them.
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OK OK
I don't vote again in old polls.
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And this children, is why you always time out your polls :yes:
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Originally posted by Free Terran
a shameless votebump
hey, i geussed right, howcould that be :drevil:
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Reading throught this thread, I realized that you keep the Basilisk the worst. I am on the same opinion, just keep in mind you base your opinion(s) on a ship you haven't flown. Fighting against the Hercules meant less challange than the Basilisk, because the Herc blows up quickly compaired to the Basilisk, and I think they are at the same speed(I haven't had a look at the TBL) But you can fly the Herc, and you keep it even better than the Basilisk. What if you could fly the Basilisk? I am sure your opinion would change.
I am surprised nobody voted the Seraphim, or the Nephilim. I wouldn't fly any of them.
OH! I base my opinion on a ship I saw being flown only by the Ai. I would try it, and make my opinion based on that experience.
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Originally posted by kasperl
uh
*looks at dates*
Funny, I didn't notice anything amiss - until I saw Setekh's posts in the thread. Then I looked at the dates. :p
Hmm... to close or not to close, that is the question, blah blah blah...
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Meh. Keep it open. :nod:
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Until we start spamming it, again. Then lock it.
Was there a most usless vasudan craft thread?
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The comm node of course, though i'm sure in freespace 3 we would have learned it is their most important.
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Originally posted by CP5670
One of the main problems with the Shivan ships is that all the Shivan primary weapons really suck and they use crappier versions of the same secondaries as the GTVA. The light laser fires fast compared to the other two but is still slower than the Subach and does little damage. The heavy laser does twice the damage but fires at less than half the speed, and overall performs about the same as the light. The mega laser does double that of the heavy (Kayser-type damage), but fires even slower, making it not much better. :p
You haven't seen my remade Shivan weapons....;7
For me, It's the Ashema. It is worse than the Bailisk, by a long shot. In fact, I hate it so bad I have banished it from my Ships.tbl file (makes room for other, better ships :thepimp: )
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Originally posted by Raptor
You haven't seen my remade Shivan weapons....;7
For me, It's the Ashema. It is worse than the Bailisk, by a long shot. In fact, I hate it so bad I have banished it from my Ships.tbl file (makes room for other, better ships :thepimp: )
Agreed...at least the Basilisk you can forgive because its from FS1 and it was a damned heavy nasty fighter. With Avenger cannons, it did take several hits to knock down and its missiles were just brutal against freighters and transports. But now with fancy Kayser cannons you can blast through em in two or three shots :)
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No... No more vote-bumping! I've opened this thread three times thinking it contained something new but to no avail.
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I re-did the Shivan weapons and ships...the Ashema rocks by me....The original sucked dough!
And the Basilisk is cannon fodder.... needed a little tuning...
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Originally posted by StratComm
No... No more vote-bumping! I've opened this thread three times thinking it contained something new but to no avail.
same thing here, this is getting,really, really annoying.
ah well, life sucks,doesn't it?
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Originally posted by TrashMan
I re-did the Shivan weapons and ships...the Ashema rocks by me....The original sucked dough!
And the Basilisk is cannon fodder.... needed a little tuning...
I also have my own TBL data, where Shivan weapons and ships are far better. In addition, I could edit the POF of the Basilisk, giving it two additional turrets, to make it as effective with lasers than the Herc Mk I.
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I think the Mara is the best fighter of the shivans and the Seraphim the best bomber.
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Originally posted by Free Terran
I think the Mara is the best fighter of the shivans and the Seraphim the best bomber.
That's right, but I have doubts if the Seraphim is the best bomber, my personal subjective opinion prefers a more maneuverable one, like the Taurvi, or the Nahema.
I am still surprised nobody has voted the Nephilim yet.:blah:
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My personal favorite bomber is the Tauvi too.
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Originally posted by Free Terran
My personal favorite bomber is the Tauvi too.
Would be good to be able to fly it. I open a new thread with the question 'How can I make a ship flyable?" in FS Modding section.
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Grrrrr....
Do. Not. Bump. Old. Threads.
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No need to worry, Petrarch! That thread is already closed. At least from my part.
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Originally posted by TopAce
No need to worry, Petrarch! That thread is already closed. At least from my part.
:wtf:
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Voted Ashema, mostly because its slow, gets capped with 2 'poons, doesnt do that much damage and is butt-ugly compared to say Mara or the Manticore.
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Originally posted by TopAce
That's right, but I have doubts if the Seraphim is the best bomber, my personal subjective opinion prefers a more maneuverable one, like the Taurvi, or the Nahema.
I am still surprised nobody has voted the Nephilim yet.:blah:
The Nephlim's got some mean turrets on it that make it tough to kill in a Perseus. The armor is strong enough to last a long time while the turrets cut you apart.
Nahama's are pretty easy to kill, but those suckers are fast...I've probably lost more ships to Nahemas than any other Shivan bomber.
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The worst piece of junk in the Shivan arsenal has to be without a doubt the Shaitan. No wonder it never made an appearance in FS2. ;)
Sid.
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Ok, since this topic has been bumped to current status now, I might as well throw in my opinions. Canon shivan ships, it would have to be the Moloch. It would be a complete piece of junk without the fighterbay, and :v: never used that in the main campaign anyway. A waste of table space if you ask me.
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Sj sathanas.
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Originally posted by StratComm
Canon shivan ships, it would have to be the Moloch. It would be a complete piece of junk without the fighterbay.
But It did have the fighterbay, didn't it? I wish there'd been a Terran, or even Vasudan vaient. Could have opened up masses of strategic situations. But as for the Moloch itself, I disagree that it's a poor ship - more to the point it was just used Poorly - imgine a Moploch jumps in right next to, say, an unescorted Deimos and launches Maras to disarm the Deimos. With decent AI, it's a practically guaranteed Shivan victory.
Could have used an LRed though...
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I voted for the SF Aeshma.
This fighter is an example of a ship that is almost equal in firepower to the Basilisk but I think it has a weaker hull
Both ships will melt away in no time with a pair of Prometheus' (or even the HL-7)
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Originally posted by TopAce
That's right, but I have doubts if the Seraphim is the best bomber, my personal subjective opinion prefers a more maneuverable one, like the Taurvi, or the Nahema.
I am still surprised nobody has voted the Nephilim yet.:blah:
The Seraphim can be compared to the terran Ursa; it's very powerful but flies like a penguin
(and why am i about to get banned?)
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Originally posted by killadonuts
The Seraphim can be compared to the terran Ursa; it's very powerful but flies like a penguin
(and why am i about to get banned?)
Penguins cannot fly:)
Das date ist 13rd May. Still no votes for the Nephilim!
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Originally posted by TopAce
Penguins cannot fly:)
Das date ist 13rd May. Still no votes for the Nephilim!
ok, why the f*ck didthis get bumped?
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Originally posted by killadonuts
I voted for the SF Aeshma.
This fighter is an example of a ship that is almost equal in firepower to the Basilisk but I think it has a weaker hull
Both ships will melt away in no time with a pair of Prometheus' (or even the HL-7)
Aeshma is truly worse than the Basilisk. Saw the 'firepower trick' in the case of the Aeshma? It looks it has two cannons, but it has four, just one firing point is set for two lasers.
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Lock this before it is bumped again.
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Lock it please?
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No such luck....
But the Nephilm is tugh little bugar...:hopping:
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Fine, fine - thy salvation arriveth. ;)