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Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: an0n on March 15, 2002, 07:16:38 pm: The single best sci-fi series ever to have been conceived somehow managed to end on a perfect note.

I just saw the finale on Sci-Fi Channel. Wangs battle cry. Vansen staying with Damphousse. Mcqueen getting caught in the explosion.

The only thing wrong with it was that they eliminated any chance of a second series, but with an ending like that, who cares.

The series deserves faaaaar more recognition than it will ever get. It was war and sci-fi blended perfectly into a cinematic masterpiece. Screw The Thin Red Line and Full Metal Jacket, this is better.

If you've never watched Space Above and Beyond, you should.....nay you MUST. Even if you have to sell your children to buy low quality pirated tapes, it's worth it.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Skippy on March 15, 2002, 07:21:03 pm: As soon as I can put a hand on it, i'll vote :)
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Stryke 9 on March 15, 2002, 07:33:12 pm: I already sold my children to pay for that Barca-Lounger.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Shrike on March 15, 2002, 07:38:04 pm: WHAT? The best sci-fi show ever?

It had the most stupid setup ever! Who in their right minds would send their expensively-trained pilots to fight as grunts. The Fleet does the flying, the Infantry does the dying!
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: KillMeNow on March 15, 2002, 08:14:02 pm: ther series has been on 38 times that i have known about here and all three times i mananged to some how miss the finale its the only epsidoe i haven't seen =(
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: an0n on March 15, 2002, 08:28:55 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
WHAT? The best sci-fi show ever?

It had the most stupid setup ever! Who in their right minds would send their expensively-trained pilots to fight as grunts. The Fleet does the flying, the Infantry does the dying!

Firstly, the 58th were an all-purpose marine squad.

Secondly:
Blasphemer!!!

*runs to get two big planks of wood and some nails*
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: JR2000Z on March 15, 2002, 09:14:12 pm: I haven't even heard of the series.
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Post by: Kamikaze on March 15, 2002, 10:17:20 pm: Quote
Originally posted by JR2000Z
I haven't even heard of the series.

I ditto that
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: CODEDOG ND on March 15, 2002, 10:40:20 pm: Thin Red Line was the worst war movie of all times. Watching Barney the dinosaur is better.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Kamikaze on March 15, 2002, 10:51:28 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
Thin Red Line was the worst war movie of all times. Watching Barney the dinosaur is better.

The Barney movie sucked... worse than that?
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Setekh on March 16, 2002, 12:00:03 am: I've only ever seen a couple of eps of S:AAB. It started screening at 3AM so I gave up on it.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 16, 2002, 08:11:14 am: yeah, Space Above and beyond is cool. They've made many of their ships for starlancer actually, enough to make a TC (save the capships). Bah, it ended like this coz it got cancelled I suppose... SCi-Fi series are always cancelled, save for one that I won't name, for that name I hate it above and beyond all names :p
go frying pans and pointy ears in pyjamas!!!! wuzzaaaaa!!!!!
Yup, S:AAB was cool, ships were gorgeous in this show.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Zeronet on March 16, 2002, 08:56:43 am: Full Metal Jacket rules!
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Stunaep on March 16, 2002, 09:30:10 am: Quote
Originally posted by JR2000Z
I haven't even heard of the series.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Shrike on March 16, 2002, 10:33:45 am: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Firstly, the 58th were an all-purpose marine squad.

Secondly:
Blasphemer!!!

*runs to get two big planks of wood and some nails*
Yeah, all purpose - which means useless, because they can't do anything right. Sure, from a story perspective, it sounds like it might work, but if you think about it, it's stupid.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 16, 2002, 12:36:52 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Yeah, all purpose - which means useless, because they can't do anything right. Sure, from a story perspective, it sounds like it might work, but if you think about it, it's stupid.

well, in the series, they can do everything right, so there :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Su-tehp on March 17, 2002, 01:59:25 am: I remember this series fondly. I was really disappointed when it got canceled. McQueen got caught in an explosion? I don't remember that. But I remember the rest, mostly.

And Shrike, there are Marine pilot squadrons in the good ol' US of A. These guys have to go to boot camp, the same as the rest of the grunts. Hell, even the Marine JAG lawyers have to go to boot camp! So why is a Marine grunt/pilot dual purpose squadron so hard to believe?

and venom, which sci-fi series that did NOT get cancelled is the one you hate so much?

*braces for venom's reply of "Star Trek"*
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Setekh on March 17, 2002, 04:11:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Yeah, all purpose - which means useless, because they can't do anything right. Sure, from a story perspective, it sounds like it might work, but if you think about it, it's stupid.

Mmmm, indeed. Specialists and all-rounders.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 17, 2002, 05:13:18 am: Quote
Originally posted by Su-tehp

*braces for venom's reply of "Star Trek"*

No, I won't.

... I said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
you wont get me :D
...
...
:snipe: n'ah :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: an0n on March 17, 2002, 05:21:19 am: Andromeda?

...............
...................
...................... Babylon 5?

*phases into hyperspace and runs like hell*
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Setekh on March 17, 2002, 05:37:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
...............
...................
...................... Babylon 5?

*phases into hyperspace and runs like hell*

Hey an0n, where do you live?

Prepare the mass drivers
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Shrike on March 17, 2002, 11:07:24 am: Quote
Originally posted by Su-tehp
And Shrike, there are Marine pilot squadrons in the good ol' US of A. These guys have to go to boot camp, the same as the rest of the grunts. Hell, even the Marine JAG lawyers have to go to boot camp! So why is a Marine grunt/pilot dual purpose squadron so hard to believe?
Boot camp is very different from being a pilot AND being a grunt. Boot is basic training, every Marine is taught to fight. But you don't see the Marine pilots in their blackhawks and harriers and ospreys going and storming the beaches next week. You have a role, be in pilot, grunt, armor crewman or whatever and you stay there.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 17, 2002, 09:10:25 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
You have a role, be in pilot, grunt, armor crewman or whatever and you stay there.

Or shell catcher third class! :D :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Shrike on March 17, 2002, 10:30:25 pm: Silence in the ranks, soldier!
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: aldo_14 on March 18, 2002, 04:38:28 am: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx

Or shell catcher third class! :D :p

all hail the regimental cook!
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 18, 2002, 05:23:45 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Boot camp is very different from being a pilot AND being a grunt. Boot is basic training, every Marine is taught to fight. But you don't see the Marine pilots in their blackhawks and harriers and ospreys going and storming the beaches next week. You have a role, be in pilot, grunt, armor crewman or whatever and you stay there.

That's funny coz Luke Skywalker does the same (banzai I do a bombing run on a Detah Star! taliho I do a strike against a ground based shield generator!), but nobody will criticize in coz it's SW :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 18, 2002, 07:06:38 am: But Luke was a Jedi!

* everyone goes "oooohhhh" *

:D :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: diamondgeezer on March 18, 2002, 07:23:03 am: Right, for the record S:AAB rocked, ruled, 0wned and was great at a side angle. I loved it to bits, and that final episode was shockingly bold (unless they'd already scrapped a second season) and just generally really, really good. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time Vansen and Phouse were out in that gunship, and that thing with the exploding ambassador was the best trick I ever did see on the part of the enemy.

Also good: Pearly, and that one where Hawk goes commando-ing with that other dude.

Summary - S:AAB = the Bollox. Thank you.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 18, 2002, 07:41:22 am: It was a good show indeed, if a tad unrealistic. But that's expected in all sci-fi. A worse example of military organization would be star trek, where it's not pilots that do the grunt work - it's the commanding officers. :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 18, 2002, 11:25:52 am: Quote
Originally posted by Styxx
But Luke was a Jedi!

* everyone goes "oooohhhh" *

:D :p

And what the hell did Leia do on Endor? She's nothing, she's a princess damnit! Nobody knew she was vader's daughter etc etc. What's more ridiculous, a pilot/marine, or a princess/marine/ ewoks Bride :p ?
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 18, 2002, 11:41:06 am: You realize that was sarcasm, right? :D :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Shrike on March 18, 2002, 11:47:03 am: Venom seems to be under the mistaken impression that Star Wars is supposed to depict a modern military force.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 18, 2002, 11:50:29 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Venom seems to be under the mistaken impression that Star Wars is supposed to depict a modern military force.

Aaaah... :D :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 18, 2002, 01:16:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Venom seems to be under the mistaken impression that Star Wars is supposed to depict a modern military force.

mmh, you're one to talk :p
You can say what you want, nobody could be able to explain what the hell did Leia there :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Shrike on March 18, 2002, 01:21:39 pm: Hey, the Rebel Alliance isn't exactly a proper military force. As compared to the guys in S:AAB, which are supposed to be in a near-future extension of the US armed forces.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 18, 2002, 01:29:56 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Hey, the Rebel Alliance isn't exactly a proper military force. As compared to the guys in S:AAB, which are supposed to be in a near-future extension of the US armed forces.

And that's what speaks so well for the empire... defeated by a bunch of puny rebels that use princesses and teddy bears as infantry... :D :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Zeronet on March 18, 2002, 01:48:22 pm: Leia is force capable....Anakin wasnt trained in the force yet had lightning reflexes..
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Styxx on March 18, 2002, 01:57:39 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Zeronet
Leia is force capable....Anakin wasnt trained in the force yet had lightning reflexes..

Aaaahhhh.... that explains everything. Now into the teddy bears part. :D
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 18, 2002, 02:04:56 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Zeronet
Leia is force capable....Anakin wasnt trained in the force yet had lightning reflexes..

excepted nobody knew that during the endor part ( Well, Luke knew, but he also knows how long it takes to control it)
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Zeronet on March 18, 2002, 03:06:35 pm: Quote
Originally posted by venom2506

excepted nobody knew that during the endor part ( Well, Luke knew, but he also knows how long it takes to control it)

Your point? :confused:
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 18, 2002, 03:09:31 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Zeronet

Your point? :confused:

so that's not the reason why they took her on Endor.
There's no reason in fact, it's ridiculous :p
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: IceFire on March 18, 2002, 03:17:48 pm: S:AAB was one of those where you loved or hated it.

Unfortunately, I came out on the side of hate. Except a few times where it did get cool. But unfortunately most of what I saw seemed to consist of pretty bad writing. How many times did we go to seemingly the same dreary world where the enemy would keep shooting and we'd keep shooting too and.....damn that was boring!

Now I missed a good deal of the rest of it and it seems like they got their act together. I saw the Chiggy Von whatever (AKA Red Baron) and that was definately a cool episode...and so was the one with the Black Hole.....darn cool. But some of the others were bad.

So I see the appeal, I see the appeal for a MOD for FS2 even more....but if its all the same to you guys...Babylon 5 totally outpaced everything else before or since.

And Andromeda......lets not speak of that....its definately the show that has a great concept and shoddy writing and consistancy.
Title: OT - Space Above and Beyond Finale
Post by: Nico on March 18, 2002, 03:27:49 pm: well, I compare Space above and beyond to Stargate, the begining is quite bad, but it gets better after the first half.