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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Wiki Project => Topic started by: shiv on December 27, 2008, 02:44:02 am
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Hi,
Polish community would like to have FS Wiki in polish language. It'd be similary chosen as on wikipedia.com. Is this possible to do on our FS Wiki?
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I'm sorry if my comment may seem a bit unappropriate, but do you really need a Polish Wiki? Polish FS players also speak English and can easily use the regular FS Wiki.
All efforts should be focused on the creation of only one Wiki... :)
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Well the problem is that guys don't speak English well and they give us a headache :(
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Well, some of us speak english, but there's part of them that doesn't. They'd love to see tutorials fully understandable for them. basically we want to translate excisting articles from English wiki intro polish wiki sites.
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Well, translating tutorials doesn't really mean having a separate Wiki. :)
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Not only tutorials, but databases, everything ;)
And I think that'll need some organization.
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If the current wiki setup supports multiple language boards, then I say go for it. :) Even if it doesn't, you could always brute-force it by adding links to alternate-language pages at the top of each article. The more people it can be a reference for, the better.
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If the current wiki setup supports multiple language boards, then I say go for it. :) Even if it doesn't, you could always brute-force it by adding links to alternate-language pages at the top of each article. The more people it can be a reference for, the better.
I agree. It'd be great to have Polish articles.
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I see no problem with having more languages for the wiki - In fact, it sounds like a great idea for languages where there are people willing to provide translations. That said of course, I have no idea how hard it might be to set up properly, though if it comes to it we might fudge it by using namespaces.
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Personally I think it is a good idea to have the wiki in Polish - if the wiki layout can support it. If people are willing to translate Eng-Pol, then why not?
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Could you do this (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hard-light.net%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FMain_Page&sl=en&tl=pl&history_state0=)?
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Well, we could use Google-Translate as a template, but well... we'll do it better, and we are rly willing to do it :)
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Could you do this (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hard-light.net%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FMain_Page&sl=en&tl=pl&history_state0=)?
Well, it looks horrible. It has nothing to do with polish grammar and it isn't much understable for poles ;)
Good to see that you agree for translations.
So what method are we going to choose? Choosing language at the start, similary to wikipedia.com or just translated artickes on our current wiki?
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I'd far prefer the wikipedia way as it is far cleaner than for example using namespaces to have multiple versions of the same article, but I suspect that'll take a lot of setting up on the part of HLP's admins. Not to mention the risk of breaking stuff while working on it.
Using namespaces to keep articles seperate would be simpler initially and could be done without admins getting involved, but in the long run would be a much worse solution - For example, random page could then give you a page in any of the languages used on the wiki, and searches and sorting algorithms would have a much larger database to go through... programmers will know that 4+4 rarely equals 8 when talking sorting, but instead can often come out closer to 16 :p
So, if it were my decision I'd say do it right the first time or not at all. No sense spending time on setting up namespaces (not to mention the constant fixing that'll be needed when people don't use them right) if it'll need to be changed anyway in a year or two.
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I had no idea MediaWiki used bubble sort.
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So what way can we do translations?
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The Wikipedia way sounds like the best option.
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The Wikipedia way sounds like the best option.
Can someone set up first article(empty one) as example? Polish community will take care of the rest.
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The wikipedia way uses seperate subdomains for each language, so once that's set up all you should have to do is go to "pl.hard-light.net/wiki (or whatever the address ends up being)" and you should have all the usual interface stuff down the left side (presumably you'll want this translated too by the way), but no articles. Then you can get started by porting over the main page from the English version, or writing your own, and you're good to go :)
Also, you should find a couple of people who are willing to be wiki admins/sysops for the Polish version, as the current admins wouldn't stand a whelk's chance in a supernova of moderating it unless all spammers there are nice enough to spam in English :p
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Can somebody find instructions on how to set it up?
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This *seems* to explain everything, both how to run multiple wikis on the same server and how to set it up so we can have those nifty interlanguage links in the left pane: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family (specifically Scenario 4 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_4:_Multiple_wikis_sharing_common_resources))
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I'm just waiting for PL FS wiki ready to start ;)
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You might be waiting for a while; I'm the only admin who seems to have noticed this thread, and I'm really busy right now.
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You're not the only one, but you are the only one with a clue how to do it. :D
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There seem to be a few extensions for MediaWiki for multilanguage support: Multilang (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang) and Multi Language Manager (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiLanguageManager).
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You might be waiting for a while; I'm the only admin who seems to have noticed this thread, and I'm really busy right now.
Well, there's nothing stopping people with the appropriate language skills from getting started on the translations/new articles while they wait. The sandbox will work fine for setting up articles, and once it's done you just copy/paste it into a text file and save it for later. That way the Polish wiki, when it is eventually ready, will also have some articles in it and be somewhat useful from the get go... which is a Good ThingTM :)
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Well, polish people are already translating eng articles while waiting ;)
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Hi.
Are there any updates?
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You can temporarily have your Polish articles hosted in the current Wiki, under titles such as "The Great War (Polish)".
Since I'm only a regular editor with no extra privileges, don't consider this more than a proposal.
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You can temporarily have your Polish articles hosted in the current Wiki, under titles such as "The Great War (Polish)".
Since I'm only a regular editor with no extra privileges, don't consider this more than a proposal.
Well, IIRC we were not to do that because of untidyness and problems it'd cause.
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So shall we or not? :D
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Define untidyness, Ziame.
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Hi.
Are there any updates?
I have been busy. :(
Someone else fix the wiki plz.
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What's there to fix?
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I am beginning to think this isn't such a good idea as we first thought. HLP is an English-language site. Everything about it is English. Why should we have one section that's specifically Polish?
More to the point, there is already a Polish language FreeSpace site. Polish players will go to that site first. Why not set up a Polish FreeSpace wiki on www.freespace.pl? That would allow the Polish community to manage it themselves, instead of waiting for HLP tech support. :) And we would certainly be willing to allow them to copy our articles, translate them, and put them up on their own wiki.
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Your idea sounds reasonable, Goober. I have already started setting up polish FS Wiki on external server.
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What about a few links to the Polish wiki then?
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Define untidyness, Ziame.
For example -> someone hits "Random Page" and the Wiki shows him/her Polish article; besides, that wouldn't be too professional(sp?), I think... Well, I am not any specialist in terms of Wikipedias/IT, but I just don't think it would be proper.
And by untidyness, I meant mess, disorder.
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What about a few links to the Polish wiki then?
Doable, and I agree they could be added.
For example -> someone hits "Random Page" and the Wiki shows him/her Polish article
Then press Random Page again. :D
I don't think it would be unprofessional. Unusual, perhaps, but not unprofessional in my view.
shiv, if you gave us some links, somebody would be able to add them to the English-language wki.
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http://fswiki.lua.pl/
Domain might be changed.
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One more question for me. Can be polish wiki linked in external sites bar?
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I think so.