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Title: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 30, 2008, 03:48:28 am
Howdy all,
This has been one of my long term projects I started months ago and just now nearing completion. I still got some details to add here and there. But this is the basic look I was after and so far I'm pretty pleased with my progress.

I also updated the location and number of the guns and missiles and there is now 4 guns in 2 banks and 4 missile tubes in 2 banks. I also moved the docking paths to the center of the ship and did a new ship table to reflect it's role as a Fleet Defense and Assault Fighter.

When will you get this? As soon as I'm done with the texture and you might be lucky to see it this weekend if I got the time to complete it. Keep in mind, I do have other obligations and this only got where it's at as I wanted to take a break from my other stuff.

Having just flown this against 8 Mara fighters, I can say it can give them a whoopin as well as roll with the punches and still fight like a mad Badger.  :D

Opinions, comments and suggestions welcome  :yes:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/GVFKhepri1.jpg)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: shiv on December 30, 2008, 04:08:08 am
Opinion?
Purdy ;7 :yes:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Ziame on December 30, 2008, 04:57:27 am
It looks a bit Artemis-ish
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Grimper on December 30, 2008, 05:09:51 am
It looks a bit Artemis-ish

:wtf: The only similarity to the Artemis that I can see is the cockpit window color.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Roanoke on December 30, 2008, 05:34:48 am
I'd be inclined to do without the cocpit screen  :yes:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: shiv on December 30, 2008, 05:52:09 am
I'd liek to see version with black cockpit.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: ssmit132 on December 30, 2008, 05:56:32 am
Jadehawk, a great job, as always.  :yes:

It looks a bit Artemis-ish

:wtf: The only similarity to the Artemis that I can see is the cockpit window color.

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3865/khepriartemismh4.png)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: blowfish on December 30, 2008, 06:28:53 am
I love this :D

Wonder if it would be possible to add another pair of gunpoints somewhere :nervous:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 30, 2008, 09:08:10 am
Thanks fellas :)

As it's still a WIP, things can be changed and yes that windshield looks a bit too bright once I had enough sleep to have a fresh look at it.  :eek2:

 Another pair of gun points? I'll look into it as I want to move the missile points some as they are too close together when playing in a mission. I had a load out of Trebunchets and when fired, they were right next to each other. At first I thought that was OK as when they hit the target, it's a double whammy in the same area. I'm having second thoughts about that too now and there's plenty of room on the ship to move them around so not really a big issue.

I also feel this ship is too small scale wise in the game than what it should be and that I cannot fix.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Snail on December 30, 2008, 09:30:54 am
It's amazing how you can change an ugly model into something beautiful with just a texture. :yes:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: General Battuta on December 30, 2008, 09:37:41 am
Concur with Snail. Beautiful work.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Droid803 on December 30, 2008, 12:14:12 pm
Nice, though I can't help but feel that blue glows instead of green would look better.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Snail on December 30, 2008, 12:22:06 pm
I like the green glows. The poor Nephthys always looks lonely all by itself. :)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Droid803 on December 30, 2008, 12:28:29 pm
Then the glass should change. Its kinda clashy, but only a bit.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Galemp on December 30, 2008, 01:45:38 pm
Those big green glows on the wings don't look Vasudan at all. Try another shape.

I really like the armor plating on the back, though. I think the contrast could be picked up, and a few more colors would be nice too.

Why not look to the Thoth for inspiration?
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 30, 2008, 03:06:52 pm
I'm back with an update:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/GVFKhepri2.jpg)

Humm, I guess I could try another shape and why not? ;) As for the Thoth, I'll take a peek and see what you mean Galemp.

I considered Blue glows too, but felt there was enough Blue Vasudan stuff flying around and besides, I wanted to stay close to the original Khepri. But having said that, it's easy to change.

Also, as you can see, She now packs a six shooter for Primaries. Secondaries are still 4 missile tubes and if you want to get an idea the loadout, this can carry 9 Trebunchets per bank for a total of 18 shots. Remember, this is a Fleet defense and Assault Fighter.  ;7



Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Droid803 on December 30, 2008, 03:10:37 pm
Its as big as an Artemis. Better have a good payload :P
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: shiv on December 30, 2008, 03:43:23 pm
Good job. Now UI'd liek to see more glowing glowmaps... Just look on Osiris and you'll know what do I mean. Those don't look good honestly...
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: General Battuta on December 30, 2008, 03:43:48 pm
I like the green. It looks like the Nephthys.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: shiv on December 30, 2008, 03:46:40 pm
GReen is good, but it must be more glowing.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Herra Tohtori on December 30, 2008, 04:09:31 pm
Vaguely vorloney colouring.

Looks good although I have never seen that ship model before so it's hard to compare to former... :lol:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 30, 2008, 06:25:23 pm
Here is another update:

This time I created new glows which I hope is better as I do like this one. :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/GVFKhepri3.jpg)

I added some darker paneling on the bottom where the thrusters are which you cannot see in this view.

Will release this and the modified pof model soon.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Droid803 on December 30, 2008, 06:42:41 pm
The glows could be a bit more glowy (like bleeding some light onto the surrounding areas). Usually looks better if there's a slight spread like that.
But the shape of the glows are now very nice.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: ssmit132 on December 30, 2008, 07:21:44 pm
Its as big as an Artemis. Better have a good payload :P

I hope you didn't draw that conclusion from my picture; I didn't take size into account there.  :nervous:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Droid803 on December 30, 2008, 07:50:13 pm
Its as big as an Artemis. Better have a good payload :P

I hope you didn't draw that conclusion from my picture; I didn't take size into account there.  :nervous:
Oh...you didn't.
Oh.
Well...
Uhmm...
I would say I didn't but that'd be lying.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: ssmit132 on December 30, 2008, 08:14:16 pm
Sorry. That picture was to show the similarities in SHAPE. :blah:

:sigh: However, might as well make the comparison:
Khepri: Height 11.00, Width 18.00, Depth 26.00. (according to the model I have)
Artemis: Height 16.89, Width 20.03, Depth 34.16.

So no, the Khepri cannot have a similar loadout to the Artemis (well, technically it can have any loadout it wants :p).;)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Grimper on December 30, 2008, 08:50:20 pm
Plus more room is taken up by the extra guns. With all those guns, the missile capacity shouldn't be very big at all.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Commander Zane on December 30, 2008, 09:16:02 pm
Sorry. That picture was to show the similarities in SHAPE. :blah:

:sigh: However, might as well make the comparison:
Khepri: Height 11.00, Width 18.00, Depth 26.00. (according to the model I have)
Artemis: Height 16.89, Width 20.03, Depth 34.16.

So no, the Khepri cannot have a similar loadout to the Artemis (well, technically it can have any loadout it wants :p).;)
With the shape comparison image the canopy is a mere peephole compared to the Artemis's canopy if it's really that small.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Black Wolf on December 30, 2008, 10:18:12 pm
I prefer the original texs TBH
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: shiv on December 31, 2008, 02:56:36 am
New glows are better. But they still should be more... glow :D ;)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: blowfish on December 31, 2008, 04:49:20 am
Hey wait ... which ones are the gun points and which are the missile points anyway? :confused:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Getter Robo G on December 31, 2008, 08:07:55 am
Please make the maps for your previous revision available also when you post the DL, I do not like the new one.
Good job though!
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 31, 2008, 08:08:58 am
Here's a Screenie to help you :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/GVFKhepri3a.jpg)

Also here is the final look as I'm done with messing around with this. I still am trying to figure out a problem I think this pof model is having. Seems when I try to use it in Fred2 now, it crashes and corrupts my mission file. I find this strange as I did have it in one of my missions and worked perfectly fine. But that one was just one fighter, I was trying to create a wing of them when Fred2 went South on me.

Stay tuned!  :yes:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Onyxwing2004USA/GVFKhepri4.jpg)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Snail on December 31, 2008, 08:11:22 am
I prefer the original texs TBH
Well, the original textures have errors on them and are really low res.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 31, 2008, 09:40:27 am
I prefer the original texs TBH
Well, the original textures have errors on them and are really low res.

That's true and it does not have any normals, shine etc. Also, I will not be providing the original textures as they are already available at FSM in Aldos Model dump. No need to provide the same thing twice.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Getter Robo G on December 31, 2008, 09:54:10 am
If that was in regards to MY post I did not ask for Aldo's.

I asked for Jade Hawk Version 1's. But if you got rid of them or don't want to release them I can respect that.

Just wanted to set the record straight...

 :)
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 31, 2008, 12:10:45 pm
ok I see what you mean now. :) Thanks for the clarification  :yes:

However, I'm still running into problems with Fred2. Seems when I try to create a mission, or add this into an existing one and try to save it, Fred2 goes nuts with errors and then crashes or wont save it at all then reverts back to the default mission editor screen.

Here is what I saved on one of the missions:

Code: [Select]
Error: D:\Games\FreeSpace2\data\missions\Cruiser WeaponsTesting.fs2(line 561:
Error: Required token = [#Wings] or [$Name:], found [12 Alpha 3 ] .

File: parselo.cpp
Line: 670


Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 00497926()
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 0041d324()
------------------------------------------------------------------
Error: D:\Games\FreeSpace2\data\missions\Cruiser WeaponsTesting.fs2(line 562:
Error: Required token = [#Wings] or [$Name:], found [GVF Khepri Friendly 94.514122, 0] .

File: parselo.cpp
Line: 670


Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 00497926()
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 0041d324()
------------------------------------------------------------------
Error: D:\Games\FreeSpace2\data\missions\Cruiser WeaponsTesting.fs2(line 563:
Error: Required token = [#Wings] or [$Name:], found [1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000,] .

File: parselo.cpp
Line: 670


Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 00497926()
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 0041d324()
------------------------------------------------------------------
Error: D:\Games\FreeSpace2\data\missions\Cruiser WeaponsTesting.fs2(line 564:
Error: Required token = [#Wings] or [$Name:], found [0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000,] .

File: parselo.cpp
Line: 670


Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 00497926()
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 0041d324()
------------------------------------------------------------------
Error: D:\Games\FreeSpace2\data\missions\Cruiser WeaponsTesting.fs2(line 565:
Error: Required token = [#Wings] or [$Name:], found [0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000 Non] .

File: parselo.cpp
Line: 670


Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 00497926()
    fred2_open_3_6_10r-20081231_r5024.exe 0041d324()
------------------------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: blowfish on December 31, 2008, 12:22:36 pm
:wtf:

Doesn't look like anything to do with the model.  I could be wrong though :nervous:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Spicious on December 31, 2008, 04:13:12 pm
The green and blue seem rather uninspired.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on December 31, 2008, 08:04:29 pm
Well I got a mission completed finally. I do believe the last two latest nightly build versions for Fred2 are buggy. Let's hope they fix whatever it is!

As for making the Green glow more brightly, I'll look into that. But don't hold your breath as I really like it as it is and only will consider it if it's better.

Happy New Year everyone! :)  :pimp:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Hellstryker on December 31, 2008, 10:28:00 pm
I'd love to see updated versions of the original texture, but these are nice as well.  :yes:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: asyikarea51 on January 03, 2009, 06:55:22 am
The way you textured the gunpoints reminds me of someone from the early NFS days... playing around with the colours and shadows and whatnot to make something 2D look 3D...
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on January 03, 2009, 09:09:53 am
That's a result of my days when I made skins and templates for the Il2 flight sim. The models for that sim were even less detailed than what we have here. So sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do to get the point across.  :yes:
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Harbinger of DOOM on January 03, 2009, 10:46:52 am
Hot stuff, keep it up dude.
Title: Re: GVF Khepri, a fresh new look
Post by: Jadehawk on January 24, 2009, 01:53:10 pm
Released...

http://www.freespacemods.net/download.php?view.460

Have fun :)