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Title: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 03, 2009, 05:34:28 am
In "As Lightning Fall", it's stated that the NTT Grall came into the nebula docked with the NTC Alexandria, which we found out Snipes had been transferred to in Lt. Cmdr. Jack Niven's briefing in "...But Hate the Traitor", and we later hear that the Alexandria had jumped through just before "Endgame" ... but I noticed something about this which seemed kind of odd.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l77/Aardwolf001/Quick%20Illustrations/aboutthattransportyouaskedfor.png)

Note how big the Argo is compared to those cruisers. I threw in the Elysium to give it a sense of scale.

Just to see what it'd look like, I went ahead and tried all of the docking arrangements. There are two distinct cruiser models (treating Fenris and Leviathan as the same), each with two dockpoints, and the Argo has two dockpoints as well. While doing this I noticed that the Aeolus' second dock point is called "Orestes dock" -- was that a working name [e.g. 'crossbow' or 'sidearm'] for the Aeolus, or some transport (like the Argo), or what?

Here are the results, on a nice mission backdrop I made for the RTS mod, whenever it gets up and running again.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l77/Aardwolf001/Quick%20Illustrations/argocombos.png)

And, since I'm talking about the transports in that mission, I might as well ask: what's up with Snipes telling me to call in the transport when ready right AFTER I called it in?

So yeah, that seems kind of odd.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Grimper on January 03, 2009, 05:53:15 am
Well that looks kinda weird, but its gotta dock somehow right? Or are ships of equivalent size not supposed to be able to dock with each other?
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 03, 2009, 06:33:32 am
Well that's the main thing I thought was weird. The docking arrangements thing was an afterthought, really.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: ssmit132 on January 03, 2009, 06:53:13 am
The Argo that's stuck over the top of the Aeolus (not the one sticking on with it's nose) looks kind of feasible, but the others are just odd. :nod: My two cents.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Droid803 on January 03, 2009, 12:07:52 pm
The bottom-right one, or the second one from the right in the top row, would be how it was attached IMO.
That way, the Argo's engines could help out too, and it doesn't look so odd.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: MC_Kejml on January 03, 2009, 01:53:56 pm
Wasnt Alexandria a NTD Orion ? :/
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 03, 2009, 01:56:32 pm
No.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: eliex on January 03, 2009, 04:14:13 pm
The Argo that's stuck over the top of the Aeolus (not the one sticking on with it's nose) looks kind of feasible, but the others are just odd. :nod: My two cents.

Looks like a space-parasite.  :ick:
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 03, 2009, 09:38:32 pm
At least it looks presentable... :rolleyes:

I tend to think of the Alexandria as a Fenris cruiser, so showing the Aeolus and reminding me that the Alexandria could also be an Aeolus is like a slap to my face. :wakka:

Let's see...if I were to number them 1 to 8 from top-left to bottom-right, 3 and 8 look like the most logical. From how I see it, the rest are meant for short-term docks, "short-term" meaning "less than fifteen minutes".
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 04, 2009, 12:38:35 am
Yeah, I agree. 3 and 8 are the most reasonable looking. Oddly, the two dockpoints on the Aeolus are really close together (so the Aeolus docking arrangements look similar).

Also, someone mentioned in another thread that there's a model that's a Deimos with an argo welded on and acting as a fighterbay (or somesuch)...

If an argo could be a fighterbay, why not give a fighterbay to an Aeolus  ;7
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 04, 2009, 01:02:42 am
Yeah, I agree. 3 and 8 are the most reasonable looking. Oddly, the two dockpoints on the Aeolus are really close together (so the Aeolus docking arrangements look similar).

Also, someone mentioned in another thread that there's a model that's a Deimos with an argo welded on and acting as a fighterbay (or somesuch)...

If an argo could be a fighterbay, why not give a fighterbay to an Aeolus  ;7

Ask Mongoose for it. :P
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Droid803 on January 04, 2009, 01:05:10 am
Upload it to FSmods?
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Mongoose on January 04, 2009, 02:44:21 am
Yeah, I agree. 3 and 8 are the most reasonable looking. Oddly, the two dockpoints on the Aeolus are really close together (so the Aeolus docking arrangements look similar).

Also, someone mentioned in another thread that there's a model that's a Deimos with an argo welded on and acting as a fighterbay (or somesuch)...

If an argo could be a fighterbay, why not give a fighterbay to an Aeolus  ;7

Ask Mongoose for it. :P
...wait, what? :p
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 04, 2009, 04:13:15 am
He seems to be implying that you are the one who made an Argo with a fighterbay cut into it, which was either welded onto (i.e. single mesh) or docked with a Deimos. If so, it'd be nice to have it on freespacemods.net

Edit: it was referred to here

There is, in fact, an actual Demios with an Argo repurposed as a fighterbay attached to the side floating around out there somewhere.

and NGTM-1R implied that you made it.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Stormkeeper on January 04, 2009, 05:12:59 am
and NGTM-1R implied that you made it.
Did he?
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 04, 2009, 05:21:19 am
I think so...
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Roanoke on January 04, 2009, 06:52:17 am
I did one years ago in TS (my second or third "project"). Haven't seen it for years but it's probably **** (full of UV errors etc).
Can't remember who it was for.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Snail on January 04, 2009, 07:08:44 am
Mad Bomber has the Deimos fighterbay thing too.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Mongoose on January 04, 2009, 01:03:53 pm
I couldn't model a cube if my life depended on it, so he was barking up the wrong tree if he thought I made it. :p Maybe he thinks/knows I have a particular campaign that uses it lying around, but I wouldn't know which one.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 04, 2009, 09:33:51 pm
I talked to Bad Mobmer and learned a bit more about it. Thanks anyway, though.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 05, 2009, 02:59:58 am
I couldn't model a cube if my life depended on it, so he was barking up the wrong tree if he thought I made it. :p Maybe he thinks/knows I have a particular campaign that uses it lying around, but I wouldn't know which one.

I think it was you. Maybe it was Bomber though. :p
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Mad Bomber on January 05, 2009, 12:00:12 pm
It was for my campaign, Heroes for Hire, which has been quite dead for some time.

I'll dig up the VP and just upload the whole shebang as a modeldump. It'll be at least a week, though.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Grizzly on January 06, 2009, 01:19:46 pm
And, since I'm talking about the transports in that mission, I might as well ask: what's up with Snipes telling me to call in the transport when ready right AFTER I called it in?

So yeah, that seems kind of odd.

He tells me to do so BEFORE I call it in. Actually, I think he just says his lines anyway on a set time, regerdless if you have already called it in or not.

I guess it's rather hard to see on sensors, and rather hard to get a visual, too.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Aardwolf on January 06, 2009, 02:02:33 pm
Maybe we're not talking about the same thing... he tells you to call in a transport, and then when you call in the Elysium transport, he tells you again phrased slightly differently.
Title: Re: Docked with the NTC Alexandria?
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 06, 2009, 02:06:55 pm
Probably meant as a "C'mon biatch. There's smoke 'n lightning 'n Shivans here. What's taking you so long? Call the damn thing!" sort of comment. Regardless of the method used to implement it.