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Title: I just realized something
Post by: Kosh on January 05, 2009, 04:41:16 am
Did you know the Ptah has more armor than the Serapis? Truly pathetic.......
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Commander Zane on January 05, 2009, 04:57:28 am
Here's something I noticed.

Maxim damage: 20, armor factor 1.3 = 26
Kayser damage: 28, armor factor 1.0 = 28
Prometheus S damage: 30, armor factor 0.9 = 27

If I'm not mistaken, the Kayser does the most hull damage per shot of the three, and the Prometheus S does more damage per shot than the Maxim. :wtf:
I know the numbers are less than significant and the RoF of the Maxim just offsets that number entirely but I'm just saying...
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: ssmit132 on January 05, 2009, 06:25:25 am
Yeah, well, a shotgun would do more damage per shot than a mini-gun.

Did you know the Ptah has more armor than the Serapis? Truly pathetic.......
Wait, no it doesn't. They both have 220 hitpoints. The Ptah has more shielding, however, with 330, compared to the Serapis' 200.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Commander Zane on January 05, 2009, 06:31:05 am
Yeah, well, a shotgun would do more damage per shot than a mini-gun.
What about at long range? :p
And would it do more damage than a...GAU-8/A Avenger 30mm GATLING CANNON? ;7

Silliness aside, isn't the Maxim meant to deal extreme hull damage per hit anyway considering it does close to no shield damage?
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Aardwolf on January 05, 2009, 06:33:41 am
Well, an M109 Howitzer firing a W48 does more damage per shot than a minigun too.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: ssmit132 on January 05, 2009, 06:53:39 am
Yes, but even if you factor in the rate-of-fire for the mini-gun, the Howitzer would do more damage.

If you did that with the mini-gun and shotgun, the mini-gun would do more damage. (Well, I'd assume so.)

Anyway, we don't want to stray too much off-topic. :nervous:

Silliness aside, isn't the Maxim meant to deal extreme hull damage per hit anyway considering it does close to no shield damage?
:nod: It's supposed to be an anti-hull weapon, so it does damage primarily to hulls. But since it has a high ROF, each individual slug does moderate damage to hulls, and almost no damage to shields, like you said.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Aardwolf on January 05, 2009, 06:59:32 am
It's a nuclear howitzer, of course it would do more damage!
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: castor on January 05, 2009, 07:22:45 am
Silliness aside, isn't the Maxim meant to deal extreme hull damage per hit anyway considering it does close to no shield damage?
Maxim works best against bigger ships anyway, so damage/second is more important than damage/shot.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Mobius on January 05, 2009, 11:19:03 am
Maxim works best against bigger ships anyway, so damage/second is more important than damage/shot.

Don't forget about recoil, it's pretty hard to hit certain spacecraft in combat with that terrible(and yet cool) shudder.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Snail on January 05, 2009, 11:24:56 am
The recoil does nothing to the accuracy, it just annoys you.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Mobius on January 05, 2009, 11:27:46 am
And doesn't annoying you affect your performance?
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Snail on January 05, 2009, 11:42:16 am
And doesn't annoying you affect your performance?
Yes. Yes it does.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: castor on January 05, 2009, 01:16:41 pm
Hey now, I *can* hit cruiser sized objects even when annoyed ;)
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Commander Zane on January 05, 2009, 02:12:03 pm
The recoil does nothing to the accuracy, it just annoys you.
What about --Steve-O--'s Massdriver? ;7
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: blowfish on January 05, 2009, 02:20:46 pm
Here's something I noticed.

Maxim damage: 20, armor factor 1.3 = 26
Kayser damage: 28, armor factor 1.0 = 28
Prometheus S damage: 30, armor factor 0.9 = 27

If I'm not mistaken, the Kayser does the most hull damage per shot of the three, and the Prometheus S does more damage per shot than the Maxim. :wtf:
I know the numbers are less than significant and the RoF of the Maxim just offsets that number entirely but I'm just saying...

Well, yes, that is correct when comparing damage per shot.  But when you factor in refire rate, the maxim wins out easily.

The recoil does nothing to the accuracy, it just annoys you.
What about --Steve-O--'s Massdriver? ;7

That actually has an $FOF:, so the shots are actually spread somewhat.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Mobius on January 05, 2009, 02:23:02 pm
The high rate of fire makes the FOF much less of a problem, IMO.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Commander Zane on January 05, 2009, 04:41:55 pm
That actually has an $FOF:, so the shots are actually spread somewhat.
Yeah, you are right there. :lol:
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 05, 2009, 09:16:47 pm
I was wondering...

Would Kaysers be more deadly if they were mounted on a fighter with eight gunpoints, each spaced slightly behind the other?
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Commander Zane on January 05, 2009, 09:29:13 pm
If they were unlinked to have a RoF faster than the Maxim, they probably would.
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Dilmah G on January 06, 2009, 06:09:17 am
I was wondering...

Would Kaysers be more deadly if they were mounted on a fighter with eight gunpoints, each spaced slightly behind the other?

...You would have to find a fighter that could support kaysers on 8 gunpoints and not turn around and refuse to crawl off the flight deck out of fear of energy consumption
Title: Re: I just realized something
Post by: Commander Zane on January 06, 2009, 06:41:49 am
Well considering a perfectly placed shot will instantly destroy a Basilisk or Mara, you could do it in the Erinyes fairly easily if had a tight shot group.