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Title: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Ashrak on January 09, 2009, 01:40:36 pm
The mission where you escort 3 GTSC's


i cant avoid exploding in a glorious blast of lame due to unknown circumstances, any suggestions?
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Wanderer on January 09, 2009, 01:50:01 pm
Try following...

Spoiler:
Fly slowly close to the GTSCs (actually this part doesn't matter at all). When the GTSC start exploding, divert ALL power to engine. When you get first warning that something landed on hull hit afterburners (and keep them on) and fly straight. After you reach 110 or so - more wont hurt - (and keep it there for a bit) you should get rid of it. IIRC anyways
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Galemp on January 09, 2009, 02:25:09 pm
Spoiler:
There's a SHIVAN ON YOUR FIGHTER. I really can't see how your natural instinct would NOT be to hit your burners and make crazy manouvers. I mean yeah, the first time you might be like, "What the hell?" Then there's the banging, and the screaming of your wingmen, and the warning lights going off... Hitchhiker's Guide notwithstanding, that would be a good time to PANIC.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Ashrak on January 09, 2009, 02:52:44 pm
meh did the mission 4 times before asking, i must be daft :(
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Mongoose on January 09, 2009, 03:02:41 pm
Some of you guys really needed to have played Twisted Metal for the PS1 back in the day.  Car suddenly on fire? Hit the turbo boost like mad! :p
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: ShivanSpS on January 09, 2009, 07:09:34 pm
i cant belive that nobody has ever see that ST extra video..
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: MP-Ryan on January 09, 2009, 07:45:28 pm
Can't speak for him, but I didn't GET the message from my wingman.  Thus, after gloriously exploding the first time I just happened to hit my burners on the second try and survived =)
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: CaptJosh on January 09, 2009, 10:52:01 pm
What wingman message? The message about taking damage is a training message displayed below your damage indicator area.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on January 09, 2009, 11:12:09 pm
Bah.  Do all of you have the most recent download from the site?  Don't use Turey's installer this time; just do a manual download, extract it to your ST:R folder, and try running that mission again:
http://fsport.freespacemods.net/releases/fsport-str.zip
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Cyker on January 10, 2009, 04:52:36 am
Well I thought it was genius :)

A rare occassion where you need to do something other than blow stuff up to survive ;)

It would have been a lot more frustrating if the mission had been longer/harder, but as it is the balance was near perfect for me.

Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Vasudan Admiral on January 10, 2009, 08:34:40 pm
The first time through I was so busy going to an external view to see if it was really visible there that I forgot to actually do anything. :\
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 11, 2009, 08:32:24 am
Quote from: CaptJosh on January 09, 2009, 10:52:01 pm
The message about taking damage is a training message displayed below your damage indicator area.

:wtf:

Quote from: Vasudan Admiral on January 10, 2009, 08:34:40 pm
The first time through I was so busy going to an external view to see if it was really visible there that I forgot to actually do anything. :\

I did the same thing on my second try (and death). Saw nothing, but I wasn't surprised. It's just excellent FREDding. :nod:
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Snail on January 11, 2009, 09:38:09 am
Quote from: Androgeos Exeunt on January 11, 2009, 08:32:24 am
Quote from: CaptJosh on January 09, 2009, 10:52:01 pm
The message about taking damage is a training message displayed below your damage indicator area.
:wtf:
It wasn't a regular message. It was the type of message with light blue text that is traditionally used in training missions. It can display a larger block of text than usual and also looks cooler. The SEXP itself is "training-msg"
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on January 11, 2009, 03:01:00 pm
I did try to add an external Shivan model.  I tried for the longest time, but I couldn't get it to work successfully.  The problem is that the model is so small compared to your fighter (2m vs. 30m or whatever) that you can't even see it unless it's exactly in front of you and practically touching your fighter.  And there's no way to achieve that level of accuracy without using SCP tricks.  So I had to reluctantly drop the visual aspect.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Snail on January 11, 2009, 04:05:04 pm
Quote from: Goober5000 on January 11, 2009, 03:01:00 pm
I did try to add an external Shivan model.  I tried for the longest time, but I couldn't get it to work successfully.  The problem is that the model is so small compared to your fighter (2m vs. 30m or whatever) that you can't even see it unless it's exactly in front of you and practically touching your fighter.  And there's no way to achieve that level of accuracy without using SCP tricks.  So I had to reluctantly drop the visual aspect.
That's a real pity. If it were my choice I'd just make it super big despite the uproar from purists, for the cool effect.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: eliex on January 11, 2009, 05:34:36 pm
I was so jumpy with the sound effects at the point of the Shivan landing-on-fighter part that I was afterburning all around the place. Somehow for once it paid off.  :)

The thing about the Shivan attacking my fighter is that, if my fighter is destroyed - won't the Shivan get killed by the explosion?

Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Droid803 on January 11, 2009, 05:36:07 pm
I don't think Shivans care that much about individual losses.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: eliex on January 11, 2009, 05:39:00 pm
Suicide saboteur eh?  ;)
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on January 11, 2009, 08:27:33 pm
Message timing should be better in the latest Core upload.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: FSW on January 12, 2009, 11:17:35 am
Off-topic:
Speaking of 'unknown causes', I flew through the Karnak's core, just to see what would happen. I found out!
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on January 12, 2009, 11:18:58 am
:D
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Angelus on January 12, 2009, 05:29:22 pm
I'm atm downloading FSPort and ST:R via Tureys installer, is the mission fixed by now ( in T's installer ) or do i have to DL the mentioned file manually?
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on January 12, 2009, 05:55:22 pm
I updated the Installer config file last night.  It should automatically download the latest version.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Angelus on January 12, 2009, 06:40:47 pm
Thx!

I have read a lot about ST:R, now i'm gonna try this Jewel myself. :)
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 12, 2009, 06:56:07 pm
By the way, Goober, is the blowing up in the Karnak's reactor room another sexp or does it come with the standard Karnak?
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Galemp on January 13, 2009, 08:23:37 am
It's pretty much all scripted, including the sensor scrambling. When the reactor blows it does have a huge shockwave that will wipe out any slow fighters, but not destroy the station outright. The blinking warning lights, blastable doors, and fog are built into the mesh, though. :)
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 13, 2009, 11:02:51 am
I thought the station would blow up if the reactor did.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on January 13, 2009, 11:50:20 am
What he means is that the reactor's explosion damage will not destroy the station, only the fighters.  It's necessary to add a self-destruct sexp.  Cardinal Spear did it the same way.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 13, 2009, 07:26:02 pm
So it works just like the Lucifer? :nervous:
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Droid803 on January 13, 2009, 07:55:38 pm
Yeah, but I think the reactor is a separate model and a separate ship altogether.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on January 13, 2009, 10:06:17 pm
Quote from: Droid803 on January 13, 2009, 07:55:38 pm
Yeah, but I think the reactor is a separate model and a separate ship altogether.

Ah yes. Thanks for the reminder. I tend to see the Karnak and the Karnak Reactor as being the same ship. :p
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: azile0 on February 10, 2009, 01:51:47 pm
That part freaked me out. I just started thinking, "Something landed on me? Wtf? Oh, snap. Shivan. Run. Dive, dive dive! HIT YOUR BURNERS, PILOT!"
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on February 11, 2009, 10:53:13 am
Quote from: azile0 on February 10, 2009, 01:51:47 pm
That part freaked me out. I just started thinking, "Something landed on me? Wtf? Oh, snap. Shivan. Run. Dive, dive dive! HIT YOUR BURNERS, PILOT!"

I hope you translated your thoughts into actions back then. :)
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: terran_emperor on February 18, 2009, 10:29:03 am
I was pressing my afterburners just as the warning message came up so i was life "whoa! WTF was that!?"

I was only clued in when one of my wingmen said something had landed on her fighter
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Sushi on April 10, 2009, 05:58:19 pm
Quote from: terran_emperor on February 18, 2009, 10:29:03 am
I was pressing my afterburners just as the warning message came up so i was life "whoa! WTF was that!?"

I was only clued in when one of my wingmen said something had landed on her fighter

My experience was similar. I hard a wingman say something, immediately thought of that video I'd seen a while ago, and went "Oh SNAP!". It got worse when the text appeared saying something was on my fighter, but luckily for me I must have been moving the right way: it disappeared almost immediately. Until I read this thread, I wasn't sure if I'd done something to get it off or if it had simply been some nice "close call" scripting.

Insanely good scripting work on that mission. And the others.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 10, 2009, 09:43:26 pm
I was wondering if any of the training sexps were used. The part where you have to hit the afterburners is dangerously similar to the Instructor telling you to engage the afterburner.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Rhymes on April 11, 2009, 11:25:15 pm
You could always crack open the vp and check the mission out in FRED, ya know.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: General Battuta on April 11, 2009, 11:42:14 pm
Quote from: Androgeos Exeunt on April 10, 2009, 09:43:26 pm
I was wondering if any of the training sexps were used. The part where you have to hit the afterburners is dangerously similar to the Instructor telling you to engage the afterburner.

Aren't training SEXPs used for all those messages where it pops up directly above the HUD? Like player-character dialogue in Transcend or Blue Planet?

You strike again, Captain Oblivious.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Thadeus on April 15, 2009, 06:18:18 pm
First time around, I had no idea what happened and died.

Second time around, I figured I'd stay away from the GTSC so nothing gets on me. Didn't work.  :(

Somehow that Shivan launched itself 2 klicks through open space and landed on my fighter.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Rhymes on April 15, 2009, 06:42:23 pm
Explosions and shockwaves can do things like that. :p
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Knarfe1000 on July 23, 2009, 06:46:01 am
Well I have another problem with this mission. I manage to survive the "entering" of my ship by hitting tab an waving constantly. But in the secon part of the mission I´m not able to save the transports, no matter what I do. When the second transport is destroyed there comes a massage that a third one is deployed but some seconds later the mission is lost because the escorted ship is gone. I ordered each ship to defend the transports and I helped them, but this didn´t work. What to do?
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: colecampbell666 on July 23, 2009, 09:56:35 am
Make sure you destroy the shivan transports as well.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on July 23, 2009, 11:23:37 am
Quote from: Knarfe1000 on July 23, 2009, 06:46:01 am
Well I have another problem with this mission. I manage to survive the "entering" of my ship by hitting tab an waving constantly. But in the secon part of the mission I´m not able to save the transports, no matter what I do. When the second transport is destroyed there comes a massage that a third one is deployed but some seconds later the mission is lost because the escorted ship is gone. I ordered each ship to defend the transports and I helped them, but this didn´t work. What to do?
Practice, or turn down the difficulty level. :)  The mission is scripted to destroy the science cruiser if you lose both transports.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Knarfe1000 on July 23, 2009, 12:29:20 pm
Quote from: colecampbell666 on July 23, 2009, 09:56:35 am
Make sure you destroy the shivan transports as well.
I did this. No effect, the escorted transports die. Can this mission be skipped?
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: colecampbell666 on July 23, 2009, 12:40:01 pm
If you lose 5 times.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Knarfe1000 on July 24, 2009, 02:35:21 am
So I can jump out 5 times right after a few seconds or do I have to get destroyed (never skipped a mission so far, sorry).
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: General Battuta on July 24, 2009, 08:28:03 am
Get destroyed.

Really, though, are you on Very Easy? This mission shouldn't be that bad...
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Knarfe1000 on July 24, 2009, 08:40:36 am
Quote from: General Battuta on July 24, 2009, 08:28:03 am
Get destroyed.

Really, though, are you on Very Easy? This mission shouldn't be that bad...
I´m on easy and it´s really close...I´ll try it one more time    :)

Edit: I got it! Now I´m on M 9, and it´s a real great Campaign so far.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: VPR on August 04, 2009, 05:14:00 pm
I'm trying to do this mission but the GTFr Lambda's keep getting stuck in the lower hull spines of the SD Demon :( Well sometimes they manage pass through but other times they don't and they just ram themselves dead. :lol: I'll FRED the mission file and move the GTFr's entry point but just wondered if anyone else has noticed this?
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Goober5000 on August 04, 2009, 05:57:21 pm
That happened when we were testing the mission.  I reworked it so that it didn't happen any more for me (nor has it happened for a large number of people) but if it's happening for you, just move the Demon entry point (not the freighter entry point).

Although - before you try changing the mission, make sure you have your mod command line set up properly.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Galemp on August 05, 2009, 12:00:34 am
You are almost guaranteed to break the mission if you open it in FRED then save it. Find the coordinates and change them in Notepad.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: VPR on August 05, 2009, 12:26:03 pm
I altered my mod.ini based on the fsport release thread as below:

Quote from: Galemp on December 14, 2008, 01:04:03 pm
If you're playing a mod that uses FSPort, add 'fsport-mediavps' to the mod.ini just before 'fsport' in the SecondaryMod line.

This broke the mission further and the transports sat with no orders so I reset the mod.ini [multimod] section back to what Vasudan Commander recommended in point 2 of his guide on the STR release thread. I've now just played the mission and completed it and this time the GTFr transports appear to be behaving properly and not getting stuck in the SD's hull parts.
Title: Re: okhay how the frick "He who rides the tiger" [possible spoilers]
Post by: Narwhal on October 16, 2009, 07:15:25 am
Fun thing, the first one I played it, I had called the reloading ship at the beginning of the mission. A couple seconds after my wingman told me something was on her ship (and before she blowed up), the loading ship arrived, so I saw that white thing on my screen, did not connect, and jumped in surprise. If it happened 10 seconds later (when you have the pop-up messages), I would have fainted, probably.