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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: IPAndrews on January 18, 2009, 02:51:28 pm
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The labour party keep giving my money to failing banks. I don't want them to give my money to failing banks. I want them to spend the money on policing, public services, health care, and schools. Besides if I screw up and lose all my money the bank won't bail me out, so why should I be expected to bail them out. Especially when they have been lining their pockets at my expense for years. This though goes beyond a mere grudge. This is about the sham of capitalism, the privileged protecting their own, and the betrayal of the unprivileged majority of the British people by our once socialist party. The Heathrow extension is the icing on the cake. Screw the environment, screw you all, rich businessmen are the priority and we are now openly being expected to give them our taxes, and in the case of the villagers of Sipson near Heathrow, our homes. Britain. Bankrupt financially and morally.
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Tell me about it limey; at least the whole world isn't laughing at you as your country
slowly suicides.
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This is, in part, because the Labour Party is no longer the Labour Party.
In one of his moments of lucidity, Michael Moore said we should start spelling 'Labour' the American way, i.e. ':Labor' because they have taken 'u' out of it.
If the Labour party had not betrayed its own mandate, it would be spending money on services, health-care and policing.
The downside is our options, Cameron is just a long streak of nothing and the Liberal, well, I'm not even actually sure what their policies are any more, they give lots of opinions, but very few tangible solutions.
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i left england after john major was elected vowing to return when there was a labour government in power
im still waiting
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Amen to all that. It's just like how us true Republicans--the small government, fiscally conservative ones--feel here now in the States.
Same point with the choices--they all suck.
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the Liberal, well, I'm not even actually sure what their policies are any more, they give lots of opinions, but very few tangible solutions.
The Liberals had their chance to become the Opposition and they blew it. Given the fact that they can't even succeed at that what chance do they have of ever winning?
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the bank won't bail me out,
and we are now openly being expected to give them our taxes,
the privileged protecting their own
you have a bank account, and you earn enough to pay tax, your sure your not privileged ? stop bloody moaning :D
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I have a bank account, and I make enough to get taxed.
I made $256 last month, and my college charged $1,165.
So in order to pay my college for one semester, I'd need to spend ALL of my money on it.
I am privileged because my parents set money aside for me a long time ago though, I'm just saying, those two tidbits don't make you privileged.
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The Liberals had their chance to become the Opposition and they blew it. Given the fact that they can't even succeed at that what chance do they have of ever winning?
QFT. The tories were all but wiped out and the LD's absolutely and completely failed to take advantage of the situation. They should throw in the towel and make way for an effective third party.
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:lol:
I actually thought you were referring to the Labour Party here where I live . . . even if it's different to your one - everyone at my school hates them because of the ever-increasing number of taxes they pile on us.
Can you believe it - you have to pay taxes for bank interest even if you are 12 years old! :mad:
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Amen to all that. It's just like how us true Republicans--the small government, fiscally conservative ones--feel here now in the States.
Same point with the choices--they all suck.
+1
Doesn't sound very good over there. It's like your Prime Minister treats the UK as his personal playground. :doubt:
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The Liberals had their chance to become the Opposition and they blew it. Given the fact that they can't even succeed at that what chance do they have of ever winning?
QFT. The tories were all but wiped out and the LD's absolutely and completely failed to take advantage of the situation. They should throw in the towel and make way for an effective third party.
Agreed. I'd much rather see a party form which stands for some of things old Labour used to stand for. The sort of party that I could see someone like Tony Benn being in. Even if I don't agree with all his policies at least I feel I can trust him to do what he feels is right for the country, most politicians these days can only be trusted to do what feels right for their bank balance.
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The Liberals had their chance to become the Opposition and they blew it. Given the fact that they can't even succeed at that what chance do they have of ever winning?
QFT. The tories were all but wiped out and the LD's absolutely and completely failed to take advantage of the situation. They should throw in the towel and make way for an effective third party.
Agreed. I'd much rather see a party form which stands for some of things old Labour used to stand for. The sort of party that I could see someone like Tony Benn being in. Even if I don't agree with all his policies at least I feel I can trust him to do what he feels is right for the country, most politicians these days can only be trusted to do what feels right for their bank balance.
thats what uk politics are so sorely missing , someone like tony benn, passionate and reasonable and intelligent arguements .... socialism and humanitarism mixed
,we can no longer live with this messed up economic system where only the big business and super rich are protected .... nationalise the banks and big industry to give the governements an economic base to make life possible .......
the free economy doesnt work if they incapable of making intelligent dicisions and asuming there mistakes
eat the rich
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I actually liked the days when MP's used to challenge each other to duels, and get into fist-fights. Whether they were right or wrong, at least they cared.
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I actually liked the days when MP's used to challenge each other to duels, and get into fist-fights. Whether they were right or wrong, at least they cared.
duels would be better than fist fights that way there would be less of them around to give a 42% pay rise
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I want them to spend the money on policing, public services, health care, and schools.
They've been flushing our money down those particular crappers since '97 with the same minimal returns.
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Of course they have. Cause they're the Tory party pretending to look like the Labour party. We get the best of both that way. Higher taxes like Labour and a serious attempt to destroy education and health like the Conservatives.
Is it any wonder that Mrs Thatcher said that her greatest achievement was New Labour?
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It sounds like you're having the same problems with your liberal party that we're having with our conservative party
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Sometimes it seems the banks engineered this situation.
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If yo want to get rid of the Lobour party. You can not vote for them.
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If yo want to get rid of the Lobour party. You can not vote for them.
The power of the vote?
:lol:
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As was said before, the problem is with the options, oh and with the fact we are still waiting on an election in order to vote ;)
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That just lets in the Conservatives who are even more right wing.
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We seem to have a choice of Slightly Conservative, Quite Conservative and Very Conservative, and, worst of all, I'm not too certain which is which.
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Yep. Until the rail disasters made the entire public turn on Network Rail, Labour had actually been thinking about privatising air traffic control. A move so idiotic no other country had ever been stupid enough to do it.
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Air prices would go up more often than planes did....
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I'm fairly sure at this point Labour are the most right wing party in our political system. The liberals are probably the most left wing but they don't count because they're about as effective as a chocolate fire guard. Which leaves our left wing part of choice as... the tories. Who I will sadly probably vote for at the next election. After which I will probably shower for an hour without feeling clean, and then feel deep cripping shame for four to five years.
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"Don't vote, it only encourages them" - Billy Connolly
Nothing will change. Councils will do absurd things, money will be wasted, kiddies will die in care, lessons will be learned etc
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More like "lessons won't be learned" if history is any indicator.
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I'm fairly sure at this point Labour are the most right wing party in our political system. The liberals are probably the most left wing but they don't count because they're about as effective as a chocolate fire guard. Which leaves our left wing part of choice as... the tories. Who I will sadly probably vote for at the next election. After which I will probably shower for an hour without feeling clean, and then feel deep cripping shame for four to five years.
Its weird that the UK's Torries are on the political "left" and Labour, which if I understand correctly is supposed to come from the workers/unionized labour roots should be the one on the left. Things seem truly screwed up in UK politics then...
At least the Canadian parties have the good sense to stay on their own side of the fence.... :D
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Labour were on the left until Tony Blair came along. He pulled them so far to the right as to make the practically indistinguishable from the Tory party while changing the name to New Labour.
Many people spotted that New Labour = old conservative but still voted for them anyway cause by that point if Monster Raving Loony had been the only opposition they'd still have won. People were really sick of the Tories by then.
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Labour were on the left until Tony Blair came along. He pulled them so far to the right as to make the practically indistinguishable from the Tory party while changing the name to New Labour.
Many people spotted that New Labour = old conservative but still voted for them anyway cause by that point if Monster Raving Loony had been the only opposition they'd still have won. People were really sick of the Tories by then.
The same thing happened to almost all European left parties.
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I say we get everyone in Britain to vote for a single party
The Official Monster-Raving Looney Party.
My reasoning (which is largely improvised) is as follows
1) both the Tory and the Labour parties have managed to completly f**k-up of running the country
2) Lib-Dems, BNP and Green Parties all have no chance of getting elected.
-From this we can see that no serious (or not so serious) party will ever do a decent job running the country.
Therefore by applying what I call "Inverse Stupidity Law", we can see that a joke party will actually do a decent job in running the country. THEREFORE, The Official Monster-Raving Looney Party will make run this country correctly.
The Inverse SLaw finds it's basis in "Occam's Razor", which basically states "The simpler the answer, the more likely it is to be the correct one". It is also based on the statement "There are no stupid questions. Only stupid Answers."
The Inverse Stupidity Law basically states that "The more Stupid the answer,the more likely it is to be the correct one".
Now by applying this to politics, we can see, via their manifesto, that a Joke party like The Official Monster-Raving Looney Party is the stupidest answer. and Therefore it is the correct answer to this countries governmental problems.
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Just a point about the economic state of affairs in Britain particularily.
While I'm no great fan of New Labour (I'm Irish, so nearby but a world removed. We've got our own Labour party but it's effectively in the Lib Dems position with a couple of other oppostion parties) the real roots of Britains economic landslide go back to the UKs very own Hitler, Maggie Thatcher. She's the one who destroyed any and all remaining home grown manufacturing, unionised or heavy industry based businesses in Britain in exchange for creating an economy built solely on financial trading. I mean you can talk all you want about Wall Street but London up until last year was the biggest financial capital in the world (based on numbers of transactions I think).
Now all that's going down the tube and with it one of Britains only tradable resources so I can understand why Brown is desperately trying to throw everything at the problem to try and stabilise it.
Jim Rogers has been leading this get out of Sterling charge, and while that's certainly the type of talk that could actually effect its own prediction, it seemed to be happening regardless.
This is a link to our national radio morning talkshow. There's a piece about it right at the end, starting 42.50 (so unfortunately it's 50minutes downloaded to hear just 5, but it lays out the situation pretty well).
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-220109-29m15s-morningireland.mp3
If not just do a search for Jim Rogers and Sterling and you get some scary stuff. This is one;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21810.htm
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"It doesn't matter which party you vote for! The Government always gets in!" - Anon
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"the UKs very own Hitler" slight overexaggeration, yes ?
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You know, the US is down to one viable party at the moment
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You know, the US is down to one viable party at the moment
Um...no?
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I'm trying to figure out the point where the Republicans got labelled the 'God Party', I would have thought that a Republican party truly dedicated to 'small Government' would dislike the idea of a theological government for the simple fact that, as the Middle East proves, there's no such thing as a small theistic Government, they will interfere with every aspect of life.
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All I know about British politics is that the Parliament stuff on CSPAN is like the best thing I've ever seen.
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I'm trying to figure out the point where the Republicans got labelled the 'God Party', I would have thought that a Republican party truly dedicated to 'small Government' would dislike the idea of a theological government for the simple fact that, as the Middle East proves, there's no such thing as a small theistic Government, they will interfere with every aspect of life.
Regan let in the religious right to get elected.
It's been a downhill journey of hate and violence and theistic wankery ever since.
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All I know about British politics is that the Parliament stuff on CSPAN is like the best thing I've ever seen.
Please elaborate.
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The Liberals had their chance to become the Opposition and they blew it. Given the fact that they can't even succeed at that what chance do they have of ever winning?
QFT. The tories were all but wiped out and the LD's absolutely and completely failed to take advantage of the situation. They should throw in the towel and make way for an effective third party.
The Lib Dems had a Ceasar moment with Charles Kennedy (all his supposed supporters stabbing him in the back) and promptly screwed themselves.
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Also to reduce the scope of this problem simply to "they're giving my money to the banks!!" is dangerous in the extreme. While I consider Brown's fiscal recovery measures to be laughable at best, I'm afraid that the banks would always have to be propped up in some manner - lest they go under, and half the country finds itself without any credit at all.
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Well the way we did it with Northern Rock seems to be working. If the government is going to meddle in private firms we should get something out of it.
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want to get rid of a political party, eh? ;7
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Well the way we did it with Northern Rock seems to be working. If the government is going to meddle in private firms we should get something out of it.
Yes we gave them our money to bail them out and they paid their staff 10% bonuses. Super. :P
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We're going to make a profit on NR. It's worth far more now than we actually paid for it. Bonuses or not.
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Please elaborate.
British Parliament is some of the finest entertainment ever. It's ruthless, if you screw up they well come after you and they don't hold back. It's amazing it doesn't just devolve into a brawl.
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It is a very different system from the way the Americans do it. Prime Minister's Questions is especially vicious.
I remember when George Galloway was asked to answer questions in front of the senate about taking bribes from Saddam Hussein that one of the political commentators said that the Republican Senators who asked him to speak there must have forgotten that anyone used to speaking in the House of Commons would be a lot more formidable than their usual prey. I don't think they were the slightest bit ready for what did happen. :D
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It is a very different system from the way the Americans do it. Prime Minister's Questions is especially vicious.
I remember when George Galloway was asked to answer questions in front of the senate about taking bribes from Saddam Hussein that one of the political commentators said that the Republican Senators who asked him to speak there must have forgotten that anyone used to speaking in the House of Commons would be a lot more formidable than their usual prey. I don't think they were the slightest bit ready for what did happen. :D
Prime Minister's Questions is a fantastic system. I don't think Bush would have gotten away with all that he did if we'd had a similar system in place.
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Some fantastic bushisms would have ensued
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Two billion to car companies now (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7853149.stm) :(
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While not related to British politics, the same crap (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123265622888307299.html) is still happening here.
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Britain is a better functioning democracy than American.
OH THE IRONY.
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While not related to British politics, the same crap (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123265622888307299.html) is still happening here.
Sounds like a decent concept to me. Vast regions of this country are woefully under-served by broadband access, and considering how crucial it's becoming in order to keep pace in today's society, initiatives to get more people access to it get my support.
In other words, won't someone please think of the children, attempting to download naughty images on dial-up? :p
(Drop that goofy-ass parliamentary system, noodle, and we'll talk. ;))
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While not related to British politics, the same crap (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123265622888307299.html) is still happening here.
Sounds like a decent concept to me. Vast regions of this country are woefully under-served by broadband access, and considering how crucial it's becoming in order to keep pace in today's society, initiatives to get more people access to it get my support.
It's a decent concept. The problem is that history tends to repeat itself (http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html).