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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: IceFire on January 18, 2009, 03:34:55 pm
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Anyone play any of the Ace Combat series? I just downloaded, for my XBox360, the Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation demo and while its not a serious simulation in any way...the aircraft are beautiful and the plot actually seems to be quite good (judging more from the trailers) for a shoot em up action game.
I might see if I can find it in the bargain bin somewhere (its been out for a while now).
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Read my nickname. What would be the answer? :p :D
I mastered all games of the series(even the one for GBA) except for AC6...I don't have an XBox 360 and my plans to buy that console...well...failed.
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A friend gave me The Belkan War for my birthday sometime ago . . . still haven't come round to playing it thoroughly though.
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Ouch... :(
If you complete all missions and unlock the secret mission...well...there's a good chance you'll find me at the end. :drevil:
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AC6 was a blast.
The mission design is frequently exasperating and the story is melodramatic and very poorly written, but it's still a blast.
It's also gorgeous.
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I tried. I stopped when I realized that my F-16 had 70 AAMs.
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I play Falcon 4.0, which is paranoically detailed, but in spite of that passion for authenticity, I was able to just chuckle and rock out with the ten billion missiles per fighter.
Anyway, forget that -- the really crazy bit is never running out of fuel.
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I have both Ace Combat 4 and 5 lying around, but I've never gotten around to picking up and playing either one.
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Its a hoot on the 360. Worth playing. some of the missions make you want to pull your eyes out with a spork, but much of it is pure fun.
Not a sim by any stretch, but awfully pretty and lots of things go boom.
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Its a hoot on the 360. Worth playing. some of the missions make you want to pull your eyes out with a spork, but much of it is pure fun.
Not a sim by any stretch, but awfully pretty and lots of things go boom.
It can be tremendously frustrating.
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But it just seems soo..... COOL!
I played AC6 FOL through once last year, but that whole "Garuda One, Fox Two!" thing really did it for me, and just watching an AIM-9L rip apart an F-16 in front of your eyes was just...awesome! So awesome in fact it inspired me to take math tuition, become an Air Force Cadet and talk to my careers counsellor :pimp:
However the end and Shamrock's kamikaze run was complete bs
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I think we need arcadey air combat games like this for PC.
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I think we need arcadey air combat games like this for PC.
But PC has some form of 'seriousness'
The whole idea of a console to me represents the portability of the arcade. I don't think I could look at the Flight simulator series again if I played the first ace combat game on PC. AC6 however some parts I did like, the epic dogfights (the first mission), but I don't think you could do that with a keyboard+mouse or a joystick, or just a PC in general, it doesn't fit IMO. I know you can just plug in a 360 controller to a PC, but it just doesn't do it for me.
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Only played the PSP one, got bored (though I didn't get bored of it as quickly as the people around me did), stopped halfway. 30+ fighters easily catches my interest. XD
I kinda liked the Japanese AC6 trailer though... but when you watch it again and again you learn to realise that it's more or less fluff to sell something below expectations... (I'm not implying crap, just "not what I expected", that's all).
Now if only AC had those fightercraft from a certain anime... I might jump all over it, I might not, but oh well. Fictional aircraft duking it out with real-world stuff looks fun for a while, they might as well expand on it XD :lol:
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Not a sim by any stretch, but awfully pretty and lots of things go boom.
A great summary of the AC-series! :D I bet they even have that as a design-requirement, verbatim.
I own (and I do mean OWN) AC4 and 5 - I haven't seen AC0 in a shop near me, and an Xbox will not come near me for whatever reason. 4 was still basically gritty warfare, but with 5 they started to do some story-telling, and seemed to fall into the same trap FF and most other console-RPGs do: They try SO HARD to portray some pihlosophic bits and doodads, and whether or not they succeed, common sense jumps out of the window before the intro's over and is followed by 10-60 hours of "'ere, doan' make no sense!"...
But, what the hell, they have the Su-47!
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it's for fun.
story: garbage
flying plane spitting missles at EVERYTHING: win
online: 2WIN
lag: downer
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story: garbage
Soeey, but I don't agree. Do you know why series like Ace Combat keep living while "serious" sims die? The answer is simple: because of the storylines.
I play both serious and arcade flight sims. When I want something realistic I play a serious sim but when I want plenties of messages, characters and a storyline my choice is Ace Combat.
The best thing would be to have the realism of PC sims combined with AC style storylines. That'd be fantastic, IMO.
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Definitely not a serious sim but it does look quite fun. I enjoy the serious side of air combat through IL-2. I haven't gotten into Lomac except for that games demo as its massively complicated and beyond even my need for detail. This looks like allot of shooting with a semi-real premise (although not too real :))...if its pretty and its a blast like everyone is saying then I think I may try and find it for a bargin somewhere.
Occasionally you just need to blow stuff up without thinking too too much. If its enjoyable but a bit challenging then I'm alright with that.
The frustrating missions...without giving too much away...what makes them frustrating?
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I suggest to play Ace Combat X. Even if I haven't played AC6 yet I know what its physics are like and I can ensure you that ACX's gaming experience is, without any doubt, the best of the series.
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Soeey, but I don't agree. Do you know why series like Ace Combat keep living while "serious" sims die? The answer is simple: because of the storylines.
Seconded. While AC's Storylines are a bit clichéed, I find them to be pretty enthralling. AC5 and AC Zero are my Favorites of the PS2-Versions....I'm actually playing them, whenever I don't know which film to watch...
Oh, and the Soundtrack is pretty awesome, too. Especially AC Zero's.
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Heh, I have the GBA version, kept me busy for a couple days at least... pretty good for a GBA game, as far as interest time goes.
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Seconded. While AC's Storylines are a bit clichéed, I find them to be pretty enthralling.
Cliché? Why? I demand proofs.
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The trailer for AC6 got my attention but I don't own a 360 and I doubt I ever will (I'm not a console hater btw). I'm more of a serious flight simmer but I kind of agree with Mobius when he says that a serious flight sim with a good storyline would be cool. The advantage of games like AC is that you don't have to spend weeks or months learning the controls, you just pick up play, unlike LOMAC (which I do own. Awesome sim, too bad I die often).
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I still play AC3 from time to time. I really like the intro, minimal "storyline" and quasi-futuristic aircraft plus the replay is surprisingly effective. For years I've tried to use the Night Raven as a basis for a FS fighter and always failed. Well, back when I was interested in such things anyway. :doubt:
Oh and I recently got AC2 for my PS(1). It hasn't aged well
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You're probably refering to the Multilanguage version of AC3 because the Japanese one had one hell of a storyline plus a lot of cutscenes, characters and even the possibility to defect to all factions(UPEO, General Resource, Neucom and Ouroboros).
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I love dropping the fuel air bombs on the aigaion.
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I love dropping the fuel air bombs on the aigaion.
For some reason I never thought of doing that.
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I love dropping the fuel air bombs on the aigaion.
For some reason I never thought of doing that.
That would've save SOO much time
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story: garbage
Soeey, but I don't agree. Do you know why series like Ace Combat keep living while "serious" sims die? The answer is simple: because of the storylines.
I play both serious and arcade flight sims. When I want something realistic I play a serious sim but when I want plenties of messages, characters and a storyline my choice is Ace Combat.
The best thing would be to have the realism of PC sims combined with AC style storylines. That'd be fantastic, IMO.
If we had the Ace Combat 4 and 3 storylines, then yes. Zero, maybe. If we have Ace Combat 5 and 6 as the baseline for our story, hell no.
Three wins just on the merit of being told entirely with animated cutscenes and being uniquely about a dystopian future with corporations fighting each other. Four was probably the best one in all, the story creatively told in two different perspectives that eventually give hints as to how they converge.
Zero was good until the story abruptly changed villains like in a bad season of 24. It didn't help that the new villains were just ridiculously uncreative. The conspiracy in 5 was also pretty uncreative and the brain dead dialogue of Grimm and Nagase would've made me quit playing if it wasn't for Chopper, God bless his soul. Six was just poorly written with bad dialogue and badly written characters; Let's fly with the angels everybody!
And how often must be be told that war is terrible? Metal Gear Solid also falls into this trap too. These games always tell us that war is bad. Why don't they just show us instead? Ace Combat 4 employed the show don't tell mechanism beautifully. Zero and Five yelled at you with a loudspeaker instead.
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You're probably refering to the Multilanguage version of AC3 because the Japanese one had one hell of a storyline plus a lot of cutscenes, characters and even the possibility to defect to all factions(UPEO, General Resource, Neucom and Ouroboros).
Yeah that sounds almost totally different to my UK copy. IIRC there were only two scenes, the intro and the 'Raven destroying a city ("MegaFloat" ?), no characters and no storyline to speak of and certainly nothing about defection :(
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I picked up Fires of Liberation for my 360. It was the cheesy action flick you still gotta love :D Absurd odds, weapons that never run dry, cliché plot and the ability to blow up everything under the sun. But still it was extremely pretty and a fun ride, if you can push aside reality and just enjoy it.
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I picked up Fires of Liberation for my 360. It was the cheesy action flick you still gotta love :D Absurd odds, weapons that never run dry, cliché plot and the ability to blow up everything under the sun. But still it was extremely pretty and a fun ride, if you can push aside reality and just enjoy it.
The graphics were also spectacular
I think the end needed to be more BoE-ish, it got annoying really fast, something like a revamped version of the first mission I would've enjoyed, shooting gallery galore
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AC6 had an awful plot and awful writing.
'Go dance with the angels!'
'Let's dance with the angels!'
'We can dance with the angels!'
look mommy we can call airplanes ANGELS
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
It was still a blast.
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I kinda wish there were more straight shot dogfight missions. Except for the first mission most of them have a sizable ground component or some silly ass gimmick enemy. I end up leaving most of the dogfigters like the F-14 in the stable for most missions since i need a multirole like the Strike Eagle or Rafale M. Which is a shame because ripping across the skys in a Tomcat with Vodoo Child blasting is fun as hell.
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I concur. A lot of the special objectives could be really irritating. Particularly awful was the mountain mission that ended with an assault by the Aigaion's spotter drones.
The active battlefield was cool, but not enough to carry missions on its own.
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You're probably refering to the Multilanguage version of AC3 because the Japanese one had one hell of a storyline plus a lot of cutscenes, characters and even the possibility to defect to all factions(UPEO, General Resource, Neucom and Ouroboros).
Yeah that sounds almost totally different to my UK copy. IIRC there were only two scenes, the intro and the 'Raven destroying a city ("MegaFloat" ?), no characters and no storyline to speak of and certainly nothing about defection :(
I bet it.
Look for the Japanese version of AC3...you should even be able to find a translated version of that one.
Three wins just on the merit of being told entirely with animated cutscenes and being uniquely about a dystopian future with corporations fighting each other. Four was probably the best one in all, the story creatively told in two different perspectives that eventually give hints as to how they converge.
Three and Four had much more than that, actually.
Zero was good until the story abruptly changed villains like in a bad season of 24. It didn't help that the new villains were just ridiculously uncreative. The conspiracy in 5 was also pretty uncreative and the brain dead dialogue of Grimm and Nagase would've made me quit playing if it wasn't for Chopper, God bless his soul. Six was just poorly written with bad dialogue and badly written characters; Let's fly with the angels everybody!
I don't know Six so I can't reply to the last part of your post.
(hey, is it me or looks like we're talking about the 12 cylon models? :wtf: :lol:)
In Zero the change of villains made sense. NAMCO must have preferred to turn Zero into a separate game of the series rather than a mere prequel of AC5. "A World With No Boundaries" was the logical consequence of the end of the Belkan War just as sure as the GTI rebellion was a logical consequence of the Great War in FreeSpace 1.
About Five, well...I didn't care too much about the other characters because, IMO, they show the most n00bish aspect of Ace Combat - the "super-heroes who shoot down hundreds of planes and turn the tide of a war" thing. The plot was interesting with the exception of the parts connected to the mighty power of the characters.
And how often must be be told that war is terrible? Metal Gear Solid also falls into this trap too. These games always tell us that war is bad. Why don't they just show us instead? Ace Combat 4 employed the show don't tell mechanism beautifully. Zero and Five yelled at you with a loudspeaker instead.
I agree. One time, an idiotic idiot from a n00bish Ace Combat fan site(Ace Combat Skies) pretended to claim that AC teaches things about wars and nearly flamed me because I didn't know a Belkan soldier's reference to a Japanese proverb(who the hell cares about Japanese proverbs and, more in general, about Japan itself? :wtf:) . I'm damn happy of the fact that I don't care anymore about that pathetic forum. :pimp:
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I tried playing my GBA with this because of this thread. Then i realized my R button doesn't work. :sigh: :ick:
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I think I may try and find a good price on it and have a go....played the demo through a few times now and its quite fun.
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I would certainly recommend it; despite the cliche plot, poor acting and the suspension realism it is a blast. I bought it used figuring it was going to be too silly to enjoy but now I wouldn't want to count the number of flight hours I've logged playing it. Taking aloft in a Strike Eagle laden with cluster bombs and leaving a wake of destroyed vehicles and shattered aircraft in your wake is a barrel of fun, especially if you load up your own music. There are a few missions with the sorta gimmick enemies that a pain in the arse but for the most part multi part fragfests where you will be tearing across the skies dropping ordinance and enemy fighters alike.
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Even if I haven't played AC6 yet I know what its physics are like
Ac6 -- physics lol
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Ac6 -- physics lol
I meant game physics...
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Bought it and I enjoyed it completely. Finished tonight after many intense gaming hours...more than I've logged consecutively for quit a while anyways. Its like an anime movie except you get to control how things are going for large parts of it.
The story is cliche...completely cliche...and I enjoyed it allot. I like how they have spent some time fleshing out both the good guys and the bad guys. Their nations and some of their motivations. Quite a bit more than expected. It was sort of neat to have cultural references like the Golden King and so forth. It adds to the atmosphere and when you fly in defense of your guys on the ground you feel allot more connected to them.
You have to suspend belief with your plane sometimes having 250 missiles or more. Its hilarious...but the action is intense and I quickly forgot about that bit.
All in all...quite good.
Oh and it looks spectacular. You can tell the guys who made this love jets and air combat. Its not just some job...this is definitely a passion for them. It shows.
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250 missiles -_-||
More planes~~~ T_T !!!!!
Oh and it looks spectacular. You can tell the guys who made this love jets and air combat. Its not just some job...this is definitely a passion for them. It shows.
I think AC6's website is some proof for that for people who don't own a 360, me included...
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It's a shame AC6 is for the 360, only. :mad:
Now I'm forced to find a way to buy the 360 for a single game. :doubt:
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It's a shame AC6 is for the 360, only. :mad:
Now I'm forced to find a way to buy the 360 for a single game. :doubt:
You could could do worse. I bought my 360 (second hand) just so I could I could play Project Sylpheed (which isn't bad. It's kinda like AC6 in space). I had bought the game before the console just because I liked the look of it.
Plus I was kinda looking for an excuse to buy a 360 for a while.
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I like my 360...gotten allot of use out of it. I was surprised to be using the music/photo/video + USB hardrive/flashdrives capabilities so much. Its an easy way to get stuff to my high-def TV.
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Does Air Combat count?
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Count for what?
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Well.....I really want to play the later Ace Combat series...but as of yet...I'm stuck with Air Combat (Ace Combat 1)...
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Yes its part of the series so yes it does count :)
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Sigh...tell me..how are the later games?
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I've only played Ace Combat 6 ...but I feel like you're inside and interacting with an anime movie. The plot is cliche but relatively epic. By the end of the game you feel a sense of belonging with your sides fictional nation.
Don't have a PS2 or a XBox 360 to play some of the later versions on? I was watching some videos from earlier releases of the game and what strikes me as being most different is Ace Combat 6 on the 360 has much larger battles. There are dozens of fighters, helicopters, ships, tanks, and vehicles all going around at once in multiple battles. The earlier games are much smaller scale.
The large scale battles also look incredible...again because the missile trails are so beautiful!
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You're probably refering to the Multilanguage version of AC3 because the Japanese one had one hell of a storyline plus a lot of cutscenes, characters and even the possibility to defect to all factions(UPEO, General Resource, Neucom and Ouroboros).
Would that be this copy ? Random Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ace-Combat-3-Electrosphere-PSX-Playstation-Import_W0QQitemZ120366568345QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item120366568345&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177)
Don't even know if it would run on a uk PS1. And I don't speak Japanese innit.
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Well.....I really want to play the later Ace Combat series...but as of yet...I'm stuck with Air Combat (Ace Combat 1)...
Air Combat, published in Japan with the name Ace Combat, is part of the series. The plot, however, is not AC canon and has nothing to do with the rest of the series. You can find many references, though.
Would that be this copy ? Random Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ace-Combat-3-Electrosphere-PSX-Playstation-Import_W0QQitemZ120366568345QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item120366568345&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177)
Don't even know if it would run on a uk PS1. And I don't speak Japanese innit.
Yeah, that one. It ran on my PS1 but only in black-and-white, it was a bit meh but the game, overall, was enjoyable. :)
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Yeah, that one. It ran on my PS1 but only in black-and-white, it was a bit meh but the game, overall, was enjoyable. :)
Black and White!? What.....how?
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I know...Ace Combat has no story at all!! Ugh... I have a PS2. Hmm...I'm gonna wiki for the latest game I can get in the series for that platform.
EDIT: Well what do you know? AC5 is for PS2! Tell me this fellow friends, need I play the previous games in order to follow the storyline of AC5?
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Black and White!? What.....how?
It needed NTSC(or something like that...no, I'm not refering to the Hinton :P) settings because it was Japanese. I played it on my PAL in black-and-white.
I know...Ace Combat has no story at all!!
What. The. Frak? :wtf:
EDIT: Well what do you know? AC5 is for PS2! Tell me this fellow friends, need I play the previous games in order to follow the storyline of AC5?
No, you don't have to. Each game of the series has minimal references to the others, except for the AC5 - ACZ duo (nothing that prevents you to understand the plot, actually, most of the references are cameos).
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Well...*flys* blow up these planes..escort this one blow this ship up destroy the mother ship blahlbahblah..gets boring after a while.
Bogey on your tail!
Alert BODY DAMAGE!
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Dude, we're discussing the Japanese version of AC3, not the Multilanguage one. The Jap one has one hell of a story. And no one says "Bogey on your tail!" in AC3 :P
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Oh...I was talking about AC....woops. Carry on.
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There is still all of that. "Enemy has a radar lock!" "Garuda 1, Fox 3!" "I see damage on your wing."
There is definitely story in AC6. Its not deep with character development but it does present lots of perspectives. Makes it allot more than just a shooter...
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Garuda... :drevil:
Am I in AC6? You know what I mean... ;7
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Well.....I really want to play the later Ace Combat series...but as of yet...I'm stuck with Air Combat (Ace Combat 1)...
Air Combat, published in Japan with the name Ace Combat, is part of the series. The plot, however, is not AC canon and has nothing to do with the rest of the series. You can find many references, though.
Would that be this copy ? Random Ebay Link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ace-Combat-3-Electrosphere-PSX-Playstation-Import_W0QQitemZ120366568345QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item120366568345&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177)
Don't even know if it would run on a uk PS1. And I don't speak Japanese innit.
Yeah, that one. It ran on my PS1 but only in black-and-white, it was a bit meh but the game, overall, was enjoyable. :)
I had that with some PS1 aqnd Xbox games. I think it was a problem with a scart lead or some such. Does it have subtitles though ?
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Garuda... :drevil:
Am I in AC6? You know what I mean... ;7
Well that was a bunch of letters out of order for me...
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Garuda would be a great Shivan name, IMO. :)
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I've played one mission of AC4, beaten AC6 (but I don't own it) and I own Zero, AC5, and ACX. 5 and Zero are my favorite games out of the five AC games I've played. AC6 has terrible writing and voice acting (like that guy in the fortress mission with the tunnels), but it's fun as hell. ACX was actually a bit of a disappointment. The story is blah'er than AC6 and I hate Crux.
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I'll have to replay Ragno Fortress I can't remember the voice acting in it :D Though I thought the parting speech from the Estovakian ace during the retaking of Gracemeria to be one of the most awkward parts of the script.
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I'll have to replay Ragno Fortress I can't remember the voice acting in it :D Though I thought the parting speech from the Estovakian ace during the retaking of Gracemeria to be one of the most awkward parts of the script.
The whole script is awkward. I take it the rest of the series is not quite like that? I figured it was something lost in translation.
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AC6 is the only one that seems to have the crappy dialogue.
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AC6 is the only one that seems to have the crappy dialogue.
It just tried too hard to be a 'Movie of Epic Proportions'.
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The Japanese version was probably better.
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HAI! Waqatta!
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HAI! Waqatta!
Now if only I still did Japanese as a subject I could probably benefit from buying the Jap version...
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I have Fires of Liberation for 360. Very fun to play. ^_^
Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
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Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
Three year warranty. Fix it up.
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I have Fires of Liberation for 360. Very fun to play. ^_^
Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
What?
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I have Fires of Liberation for 360. Very fun to play. ^_^
Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
What?
Red Ring Of Death aka Hardware failure
Happened to me, Microsoft took care of it. Unfortunately, t'is a common issue with pre-07 manufactured boxes.
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Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
Three year warranty. Fix it up.
Suppose I should, it's just time-consuming to do so where I live.
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I have Fires of Liberation for 360. Very fun to play. ^_^
Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
What?
Red Ring Of Death aka Hardware failure
Happened to me, Microsoft took care of it. Unfortunately, t'is a common issue with pre-07 manufactured boxes.
Wait..wait..a red ring forms on a CD??? :wtf:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RROD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RROD)
no, it's just the 360's way of telling you it's FUBARed.
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Unfortunately my 360 got ROD. =/
Three year warranty. Fix it up.
Suppose I should, it's just time-consuming to do so where I live.
It is? MS sends the box...you just put it in there and send it off. They even send you the tape to tape it back up again!
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They don't in Australia. Cheap bastards wanted me to buy my OWN BOX! AND THE BUBBLEWRAP! Not to mention the tape. And if any damage occurs en route, the warranty won't cover it either. Understandably though.
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ACX was actually a bit of a disappointment. The story is blah'er than AC6 and I hate Crux.
:wtf: