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What a frakking great episode!!
Kelly back! Anders shot! Tyrol sabotage the bucket!
There have been a lot of great scenes, but the best of all was, where Adama, Tigh, Athena and a lot of the crew unite to get the ship back!
In the end Gaeta did the right thing, Zarek FINALLY did get what he deserved...
The last scenes with Gaeta are great, and somehow, although he deserved what he gets in the end, it feels...odd
Have to re-watch it!
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*eh hem*
WHOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
I think I may have a new favorite episode. I found this one to be especially poignant, with plenty of action, intrigue, romance, and everything in between. Highlights for me were the quorum getting executed, and Roslin and Adama being reunited. The quorum scene I thought was very strong, and really drove home the significance of what was happening. The way Zarek calmly walked, and you almost believed he was going to let them talk...and then he gives that fateful order. The way Kelly paused when the firing started, with screams echoing through the hallway, was the finishing touch.
Roslin and Adama was just excellent though. I've always enjoyed the romance between those two, as they managed to skirt around it so well for so many years. Now that they've finally embraced it, I want to see it flourish, and I'll freely admit that tears came to my eyes when Laura broke down upon seeing Bill safe and sound. I found it very moving.
Another thing I appreciated was the symbolism at the very end, when Gaeta commented "It's stopped", just before the firing squad fired. To me, the itch on his amputation represented the turmoil within him, his strong desire to do the right thing, yet his seeming inability to ever actually do it. In that last moment though, he was at peace with himself, and his itch went away.
I salute you Lt. Gaeta. o7
Well, I'm sure I'll think of more to comment on later, I'm still processing the awesomeness of this episode.
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Topics merged!
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just a quick question for the buffs, what was Tyrol looking at after he stopped the FTL?
I agree with ya Angelus, I honestly thought that they would deal with Gaeta in a different way. But i guess he did order the execution of Adama...
Overall just an awsome episode! Curious to see how the devs deal with this uprising in-game.
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The claw marks of the Id monster!
Hull stress most likely, she is an old bucket...
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The ship appears to be falling apart.
I'm not sure how I felt. I was all pumped up for an action episode involving Centurion boarding parties and a capital ship standoff. Michael Angeli has never written that kind of material, though, so it was all fairly low-key personal drama with little action.
Interesting. I'm going to have to rewatch to decide what I think.
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I think the hull marks were actually holes and he was dying due to lack of oxygen.
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Or perhaps it is the mark of the re-imagined daggit, which prowls the ship in search of fresh souls to consume...
Honestly, I'm gonna have to watch that episode again, because I didn't really get a good look at the marks the first time around.
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Another amazing episode!
Have to digest that for a while.
The FTL drive was even cooler looking than I expected :P
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So, upon some reflection, I've decided I really, really disliked this episode. It squandered the interesting questions raised by the previous episode, and, worse, it squandered the momentum -- creating a fairly uninteresting set of mild action setpieces instead of a blow-by-blow retaking of the Galactica.
Crappy storytelling and a poor episode. I blame Michael Angeli's weak writing. He's never been too good.
Also, he's the only one who would dare create a vapid, weak Cylon bimbo. He's always been misogynistic.
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Rollo Lampkin is awesome.
Zarek (reading Adama's alleged crimes): "The punishment for these crimes is death by firing squad."
Lampkin: "Well, I'm not a very good shot" :D
just a few seconds later another jewel from him:
"Justice. Aha. So it would be fair to assume that should I choose to pass on this field trip for justice, winkin' and blinkin' over there will use me for target practice instead." :D
I hope we see more of him in the upcoming episodes, he's one of the best side characters in the show.
Otherwise, this ep was everything I hoped for. I wonder what's the deal with chief, tho. I did like the FTL room set.
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So, upon some reflection, I've decided I really, really disliked this episode. It squandered the interesting questions raised by the previous episode, and, worse, it squandered the momentum -- creating a fairly uninteresting set of mild action setpieces instead of a blow-by-blow retaking of the Galactica.
Crappy storytelling and a poor episode. I blame Michael Angeli's weak writing. He's never been too good.
Also, he's the only one who would dare create a vapid, weak Cylon bimbo. He's always been misogynistic.
I think you feel that way because you'd prefer a more action oriented episode; like you said, you wanted a blow-by-blow retaking of Galactica, which was only part of what this episode was about. I personally loved it, definitely one of the better ones they've made IMO.
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Agreed.
The only piece of weak writing I could detect was right after adama is rescued from being executed; he asks the officer who was just about to give the order to shoot him to join him in retaking the ship. The guy was ready to kill you a sec ago and now you're ready to trust him in combat? I don't think so. It's not a big complaint, but that part should've been left out.
Everything else, I loved.
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Agreed.
The only piece of weak writing I could detect was right after adama is rescued from being executed; he asks the officer who was just about to give the order to shoot him to join him in retaking the ship. The guy was ready to kill you a sec ago and now you're ready to trust him in combat? I don't think so. It's not a big complaint, but that part should've been left out.
Everything else, I loved.
Ummm when did that happen? It looked like he was going to kill the guy with his bare hands. Not join him!
This was an excellent episode...everything we've come to expect from a BSG episode. Even had some mild Viper action shots...we need a proper space battle at some point. Haven't had a big one for a while.
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Ummm when did that happen? It looked like he was going to kill the guy with his bare hands. Not join him!
Pay attention next time :)
Adama turns to him and says something like "Lieutenant, I wanna take my ship back", and the officer responds that he's sorry, he respects him but he hates the cylons and he can't follow the orders of anyone who would collaborate with them.
Adama orders him to be tied up after that iirc. But it was clearly an invitation - something like "last chance to change sides".
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So, upon some reflection, I've decided I really, really disliked this episode. It squandered the interesting questions raised by the previous episode, and, worse, it squandered the momentum -- creating a fairly uninteresting set of mild action setpieces instead of a blow-by-blow retaking of the Galactica.
Crappy storytelling and a poor episode. I blame Michael Angeli's weak writing. He's never been too good.
Also, he's the only one who would dare create a vapid, weak Cylon bimbo. He's always been misogynistic.
I think you feel that way because you'd prefer a more action oriented episode; like you said, you wanted a blow-by-blow retaking of Galactica, which was only part of what this episode was about. I personally loved it, definitely one of the better ones they've made IMO.
I'm actually usually one of those who argues for the more literary stories (a la A Disquiet Follows My Soul.)
I just had a lot of problems with the writing this week.
a) What happened to the mutineer's cohesion and organization? Where were the Marine fireteams guarding critical areas? Why were Lee and Kara not hunted down when Charlie Connor knew they were free?
b) Why was the moral greyscale suddenly and arbitrarily demolished by Zarek's execution of the quorum? There are good reasons for the action, sure, but they made the story less interesting, not more, by making the mutineers seem more 'evil'.
c) Why did Roslin and her baseship allies have effectively no role in retaking Galactica? They didn't seem to do much of anything except broadcast inspiring messages. Even Roslin's awesome 'I AM COMING FOR ALL OF YOU' didn't amount to much. She didn't come for anybody.
d) Why did the writing and direction focus so much on little incidents (like Starbuck ganking some guy at the urinal) instead of plot threads left dangling from last episode, like the Sunshine Boys' promised attack on Athena? Why did we need the whole Adama-trial subplot. It would have been more effective for Zarek to simply pass summary judgment, which could have been the thing that drove a wedge between him and Zarek?
e) Why the misogynistic and shallow portrayal of the one Six model on the base ship? More critically, why did Baltar's revelation that he 'had to go back' lead to him doing absolutely nothing?
f) The biggest problem: why did we feel no buildup and then release of tension? Even Adama's rescue was an anticlimax, allowed to happen offscreen. Last week's big success was in ramping everything up to eleven, but Angeli just let the pressure boil off and never rebuilt it.
Michael Angeli is more of a character-based writer. I'd rather have seen Thompson & Weddle or Verheiden handle this episode. Even Jane Espenson. I've never been satisfied with an Angeli episode in the past, even the fairly strong 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner'.
I'll rewatch it and see if I like it more, though. It had its strengths.
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Sounds to me like you already made your mind at what the episode should be, and what the subplots should tell and lead to. And what it didn't happen like you imagined it, you disliked it. All the points you put up there have their explanations (though I'll admit point 1 has some merit, it was probably done due to lack of episode time), just not the explanations you envisioned them to have before even watching. I'm not attacking you, but your post clearly indicates very specific pre-made expectations. That's a pretty sure way of getting disappointed.. my 5 cents.
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So, upon some reflection, I've decided I really, really disliked this episode. It squandered the interesting questions raised by the previous episode, and, worse, it squandered the momentum -- creating a fairly uninteresting set of mild action setpieces instead of a blow-by-blow retaking of the Galactica.
Crappy storytelling and a poor episode. I blame Michael Angeli's weak writing. He's never been too good.
Also, he's the only one who would dare create a vapid, weak Cylon bimbo. He's always been misogynistic.
I think you feel that way because you'd prefer a more action oriented episode; like you said, you wanted a blow-by-blow retaking of Galactica, which was only part of what this episode was about. I personally loved it, definitely one of the better ones they've made IMO.
I'm actually usually one of those who argues for the more literary stories (a la A Disquiet Follows My Soul.)
I just had a lot of problems with the writing this week.
a) What happened to the mutineer's cohesion and organization? Where were the Marine fireteams guarding critical areas? Why were Lee and Kara not hunted down when Charlie Connor knew they were free?
b) Why was the moral greyscale suddenly and arbitrarily demolished by Zarek's execution of the quorum? There are good reasons for the action, sure, but they made the story less interesting, not more, by making the mutineers seem more 'evil'.
c) Why did Roslin and her baseship allies have effectively no role in retaking Galactica? They didn't seem to do much of anything except broadcast inspiring messages. Even Roslin's awesome 'I AM COMING FOR ALL OF YOU' didn't amount to much. She didn't come for anybody.
d) Why did the writing and direction focus so much on little incidents (like Starbuck ganking some guy at the urinal) instead of plot threads left dangling from last episode, like the Sunshine Boys' promised attack on Athena? Why did we need the whole Adama-trial subplot. It would have been more effective for Zarek to simply pass summary judgment, which could have been the thing that drove a wedge between him and Zarek?
e) Why the misogynistic and shallow portrayal of the one Six model on the base ship? More critically, why did Baltar's revelation that he 'had to go back' lead to him doing absolutely nothing?
f) The biggest problem: why did we feel no buildup and then release of tension? Even Adama's rescue was an anticlimax, allowed to happen offscreen. Last week's big success was in ramping everything up to eleven, but Angeli just let the pressure boil off and never rebuilt it.
Michael Angeli is more of a character-based writer. I'd rather have seen Thompson & Weddle or Verheiden handle this episode. Even Jane Espenson. I've never been satisfied with an Angeli episode in the past, even the fairly strong 'Guess What's Coming to Dinner'.
I'll rewatch it and see if I like it more, though. It had its strengths.
a. it's a big ship, and not everyone is part of Gaeta's mutiny.
b. the quorum, and thus the civilian fleet, refused to follow Zarek any further ( no Cylon tech on our ships - yes!
killing the president and everyone on her side - NO! ).
Zarek, HAD to kill the quorum, in order to KEEP the power.
This also shows, i was right about Zarek!
c. the Basestar was powering up the Weapons, ready to attack Galactica, but in that moment Adama
took over his ship again.
d. The guys was in CIC the entire time ( remember, this all happens within hours! ), and you don't ask your superior "Sir, request permission to rape the Cylon prisoner!" during a critical situation.
e. I have the feeling that some of the things we saw ( Baltar, the "new" six, a.s.o. ), are the basis for the things that will happen next.
This episode was great IMO,but you are right about the Adama rescue.
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I get all that -- I just wasn't pleased with the way the questions, or the story, were handled.
I don't think Angeli can keep a cohesive narrative together. All his episodes just feel like a lot of people talking, without any real kind of arc.
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Never mind the rest of the episode, for me it was all about Tyrol’s adventures in the Jefferies tubes!
I can see it now Michael Angeli in his study, writing away, when suddenly he realizes he needs to get the Chief from one side of Galactica to the other. He wracks his brain for the answer. The Chief could walk to the FLT room! No, there are bad guys in the way! Erm… he could RUN through Galactica! … no still bad guys.
Finally he comes to the one and only conclusion he can. He phones Ron “Star-Trek” Moore.
“Frak it, Just have him crawl through the Jefferies tubes.” Says Ron.
Does Galactica even have Jefferies Tubes? Last time I checked it just had oddly bottomless caverns between the walls so certain deckhands can have a tense moment while they’re eavesdropping on their husband confessing he’s a Cylon.
And don’t say they were evens vents? Where are the necessary fans for him to almost get chopped up by? And why wasn’t he wearing nothing but a vest and trousers with no shoes while crawling through them?
Hmm.
Basically it boils down to Angeli borrowing from Star Trek or Die Hard there.
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Basically it boils down to Angeli borrowing from Star Trek or Die Hard there.
Jeez, just because a ship has service ducts doesn't mean he's stealing. Star Trek is hardly the only sci fi who thought of this.
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No you are right. Star Trek is not the only show to have done this. I am sorry, I will refrain from making Jokes in the future :p
It was more a comment on Ron who wrote more than a few of the J-tube centric episodes of Star Trek TNG. I've been watching the DVDs recently and its like every other one of his scripts in seasons 5-to-7 had them as a major plot device. It just struck me as funny is all.
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What did Tyrol see at the end there? Was that deliberate damage, or was it some sort of natural stress? I feel like something significant might come out of that in the coming episodes.
The cylon bimbo did bother me. Apparently all the sixes are programmed to find Baltar irresistibly attractive? What is this nonsense? Even if she does become important later, there was no hint of complexity in that introduction. Moreover, Roslin’s speeches were disappointing, and I was displeased with the way Starbuck was effectively removed from the final events. She had quite the comeback going in the last episode, and suddenly she’s reduced to this sobbing caregiver and begging Lambkin for help. Frakking love interest characters – they should have just killed Anders, so she could go back to kicking ass.
So, I think that this episode only works if you ignore every single female character, because Angeli clearly hates them. That said, there were some elements that I thought were at least somewhat successful – mostly in the progression of Gaeta’s arc.
I think the moral greyness of this episode was always centered on Gaeta, rather than Zarek. I’ve never felt that Zarek’s intent was particularly in doubt, which is a large part of why I dislike the character. He’s too simple, too clearly motivated by his own gain, and he seems more interested in disrupting everyone else’s plans than in actually achieving anything productive. He’s been the go-to character for deals with the devil for a long time, and I find him profoundly boring.
Gaeta, on the other hand, seemed like the major strength of this episode. While I was fairly harsh in my assessment of him early on, and I cringed at his choice to turn to Zarek for support, I found myself somewhat more sympathetic to his plight near the end. They de-emphasized his personal motivations, and focused on his attempts to regain control of an uncontrollable situation, which made it much easier for me to appreciate the difficult choices he was forced to make. He was clearly trying to do some good, and realizing just how much had already gone wrong. I also appreciated that he faced appropriate consequences for his actions, and that he seemed to accept it. By that point, he knew that he’d screwed up, and the cheesy little moment where his leg stopped bothering him was a release of all the rage and guilt that had been driving him on anyway.
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I didn't really find this episode exciting. Many things seemed 'too easy' for the protagonists, not only stretching suspension of disbelief, but leaving much of the episode devoid of tension. It was certainly a step down from last week's amazing episode.
Roslin seemed relevant, but passive. Adama's group managed to instantly re-convert a lot of marines, and encountered no on-screen resistance after he was freed; we didn't even get to see that happen. Tyrol's sabotage was convenient, but there was little peril. Anders got shot, but he got help when the lawyer took down a marine in melée combat.
Most disappointingly, after this whole coup, everything is 'back to normal'. There have been a few character deaths, but essentially the state of the fleet is nearly the same as it was two episodes ago. I suppose the Quorum needs to be refilled, but that's it. Ah, and I was looking forward to hearing Gaeta's 'little secret'. Oh well.
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We do know Gaeta's secret - see the Webisodes.
Other than that I concur strongly with the above two posts.
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What did Tyrol see at the end there? Was that deliberate damage, or was it some sort of natural stress? I feel like something significant might come out of that in the coming episodes.
I have the bad feeling that Galactica will be destroyed in the last episode.
This is now the second or third scene where a character from the show takes a close look at these by metal fatigue caused "scratches".
I don't like it.
The cylon bimbo did bother me. Apparently all the sixes are programmed to find Baltar irresistibly attractive? What is this nonsense? Even if she does become important later, there was no hint of complexity in that introduction. Moreover, Roslin’s speeches were disappointing, and I was displeased with the way Starbuck was effectively removed from the final events. She had quite the comeback going in the last episode, and suddenly she’s reduced to this sobbing caregiver and begging Lambkin for help. Frakking love interest characters – they should have just killed Anders, so she could go back to kicking ass.
Well, it seems she really cares about him. What would you do in this situation?
I know it's not real, but still... :)
But yeah, i like the ass kicking Starbuck more then the weepy one.
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The resurrection of Ellen seems to trigger the next events, the final five seems to remember everything for instance.
My guess is, for whatever has to happen in the next episodes, all of the final five are needed.
So, I think that this episode only works if you ignore every single female character, because Angeli clearly hates them. That said, there were some elements that I thought were at least somewhat successful – mostly in the progression of Gaeta’s arc.
Right about the females part, i guess.
Roslin, and to a degree Athena, have the only "important" scenes ( Roslin as counterforce to the Zarek/ Gaeta faction, Athena as part of the stormrifle waving "liberation force" :D ), Starbuck was out the moment Anders got shot.
Other female characters are rather "flat", Racetrack laughing over a stupid joke from Zarek, Tori - from a badass Cylon to a weepy Cylon in only 4 epiosodes. :wtf:
I think the moral greyness of this episode was always centered on Gaeta, rather than Zarek. I’ve never felt that Zarek’s intent was particularly in doubt, which is a large part of why I dislike the character. He’s too simple, too clearly motivated by his own gain, and he seems more interested in disrupting everyone else’s plans than in actually achieving anything productive. He’s been the go-to character for deals with the devil for a long time, and I find him profoundly boring.
I hoped that the character of Zarek "evolves" after the happenings from new Caprica.
Not to a good guy, but at least away from the character he was in the first two seasons.
That's why i never liked this character, never believed he cares for anybody else then himself.
Gaeta, on the other hand, seemed like the major strength of this episode. While I was fairly harsh in my assessment of him early on, and I cringed at his choice to turn to Zarek for support, I found myself somewhat more sympathetic to his plight near the end. They de-emphasized his personal motivations, and focused on his attempts to regain control of an uncontrollable situation, which made it much easier for me to appreciate the difficult choices he was forced to make. He was clearly trying to do some good, and realizing just how much had already gone wrong. I also appreciated that he faced appropriate consequences for his actions, and that he seemed to accept it. By that point, he knew that he’d screwed up, and the cheesy little moment where his leg stopped bothering him was a release of all the rage and guilt that had been driving him on anyway.
I like the moment in CIC near the end of the episode, where Gaeta realizes that he has failed.
He realized earlier on the Colonial One that he made a deal with the devil, but still he wants Adama punished, but it's the moment in CIC where i feel for the first time sympathy for him after he started this mutiny.
Roslin seemed relevant, but passive. Adama's group managed to instantly re-convert a lot of marines, and encountered no on-screen resistance after he was freed; we didn't even get to see that happen. Tyrol's sabotage was convenient, but there was little peril. Anders got shot, but he got help when the lawyer took down a marine in melée combat.
There is not much she could have done, right?
Well, the Marine was surprised by the attack , also he stabbed him in the neck with a pencil. Three or four times.
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Ummm when did that happen? It looked like he was going to kill the guy with his bare hands. Not join him!
Pay attention next time :)
Adama turns to him and says something like "Lieutenant, I wanna take my ship back", and the officer responds that he's sorry, he respects him but he hates the cylons and he can't follow the orders of anyone who would collaborate with them.
Adama orders him to be tied up after that iirc. But it was clearly an invitation - something like "last chance to change sides".
I was paying attention and I still don't see it that way at all. Adama wanted to find out how much of a fight he was going to get out of the guy/intimidate him to not do something stupid. He was still in bad ass mode :)
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I rewatched it. In spite of my earlier complaints, wasn't actually terrible. I still think Michael Angeli was the wrong man for the job, but it was an okay episode.
I would've made three key changes:
1) Moved the baseship/Galactica standoff to begin much earlier, so Roslin would have seemed to take an active role. Shots should have been exchanged.
2) Tigh should have rallied Baltar's cultists and loyal marines to attack the airlock where Adama was. There would've been a standoff, and then Kelly would have started shooting the mutineers, allowing the rescue to occur.
3) Cut the whole Adama trial storyline for time.
It still would've been nice to have a few Centurions.
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It seems to me like a number of people expected the "heroes" to actually be "heroic", but the problem is, that's antithesis to BSG. Sure, Roslin didn't really do much in this episode, but that's the point; the man she loves is trapped on Galactica, facing execution, and there's nothing she can really do. Attack Galactica with the baseship? Yeah, that'd go over well with the rest of the fleet, especially when a couple stray shots smash into civvie ships. She was ready to do it towards the end there, but she really, really didn't want to. That's the nature of civil war (which is basically what this is), you're forced to fight your brothers and sisters, which is the last thing anyone really wants to do. That's also why Gaeta/Zarek didn't have such good control over Galactica; even towards the end there, there was still resistance being put up. It's not like the entire ship supported the mutiny, I'd say the crew was probably fairly evenly split in loyalties. What we saw in this and the previous episode is how utterly confusing and messy a mutiny is, and that there are no heroes in such a conflict.
As for the "bimbo", I have a theory about her...Head Six. When we first saw her, she appeared almost radiant, heavenly...and Baltar sort of did a double take when he saw her. I wonder if she's become the angel on his shoulder, opposite the devil we've seen most of the show, to go along with his struggles to find redemption.
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I was actually kind of bothered by the heroes being too heroic. I wanted more action from rank-and-file loyalists and Baltar's cult.
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the fatigue thing of the ship will be brought up again, ive seen a trailer where adama notices the same thing in his quaters, a bit of a support beam starting to crack, galatica is over 40 years old, seen countless battles, hell she even jumped into the atmostphere of a planet. all without a rest and time in drydock.
the clip can be see on the sci-fi website, part of the clues they have been giving with little snippits from the show.
my guess is yeah the galactica goes down in the final episode, but i guess thats sorta signifys the end of there running. that they wont need her anymore and they story of the battlestar will fade into histroy.
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I liked how Gaeta called off the attack at the last moment, and was still killed with Zarek (his conversation with Baltar was great).
Almost made you want to forgive Gaeta (almost). But it was obvious he HAD to be shot.
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Apparently this episode was massively cut for time, which is probably why it feels so disjointed.
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Apparently this episode was massively cut for time, which is probably why it feels so disjointed.
That makes a lot of sense.
I have two thoughts, really.
1) I may be remembering this wrong, but was Gaeta's conversation with Baltar a copy of his video interview back in season 2 (final cut)? or am I confusing that interview with something I saw online?
2) The Galactica is dying. Slowly, but surely it's dying. She's 40 years old in the mini-series, and she's taking huge pumulings in the years since without relief. Could the Galactica itself be the dying leader and not Roslin?
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Agreed.
The only piece of weak writing I could detect was right after adama is rescued from being executed; he asks the officer who was just about to give the order to shoot him to join him in retaking the ship. The guy was ready to kill you a sec ago and now you're ready to trust him in combat? I don't think so. It's not a big complaint, but that part should've been left out.
Everything else, I loved.
Ummm when did that happen? It looked like he was going to kill the guy with his bare hands. Not join him!
This was an excellent episode...everything we've come to expect from a BSG episode. Even had some mild Viper action shots...we need a proper space battle at some point. Haven't had a big one for a while.
It's hard to have a proper space battle when the only two warships you have are beat to hell. Galactica is literally falling apart at this point and that baseship is full of holes (although it can repair itself to a degree so it can keep going for a while longer).
I was all pumped up for an action episode involving Centurion boarding parties and a capital ship standoff.
I was halfway expecting a centurion boarding party as well to take back the ship, but I don't think that would have gone down well with the crew or the fleet. Better that they stayed out of it.
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I think that without the Quorum or Zarek that Adama's and Roslyn's power and control over the fleet is now total.
With no real enemy within the fleet now, we need a new one. The Cavil faction of Cylon's must now show up.
Also I really liked the scene with colonial one entering the landing bay.
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I think the biggest winners of the coup attempt will be the rebel cylons. For one thing Zarek's actions, namely massacring the Quorom, the bloodiness of the coup, and his general corruption will destroy his credibility with the vast majority of his followers once it is made public. The Cylon's actions in harboring the president and, once she talked them into resurrecting a backbone (a detail that probably won't be made public), letting her practically take control of their ship will go a long way towards winning over the civilian fleet.
Hell hath no fury like a woman's baseship.
I think that without the Quorum or Zarek that Adama's and Roslyn's power and control over the fleet is now total.
I have no doubt that a new Quorom will be elected, so we haven't seen the last of them.
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I'm actually glad that they killed off the Quorom, they were spineless and weak for the entirety of the show. Maybe now they'll use it as a vehicle for getting some new civilian leadership in there. Lee as VP?
That being said, I do agree that the episode felt a bit like it was cut for time; I feel that had they had another season after this one, the rebellion arc would have lasted at least 3 episodes, probably 5. But due to time constraints they had to cut it down.
Where are the episodes where other stress cracks start appearing in Galactica?
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2) The Galactica is dying. Slowly, but surely it's dying. She's 40 years old in the mini-series, and she's taking huge pumulings in the years since without relief. Could the Galactica itself be the dying leader and not Roslin?
I hadn't thought of that, but I like it. It's very poetic, so I kinda hope this prediction is right.
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That would assume Galactica is sentient. Even that she is the 5th cylon. But if RDM comes up with THAT crap, I will delete the episodes from my HDD and forget that I ever watched them.
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I think they meant "dying leader" for galactica more in a symbolic sense, nobody is suggesting a living, sentient ship.
That would be stupid even for the worst of star trek episodes :)
Even in a symbolic sense, however, it's still a pretty stupid tangent to go on - doesn't fit RDM's pattern, either. So I don't think we need to worry..
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No it wouldn't. Galactica is undoubtedly the leader of the Rag Tag Fleet.
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Leave the CIC empty and the galactica is nothing but a floating hunk of metal. It's a vessel that carries the leader, not the leader itself. Tho this is semantics, really, it can be argued it's a lead vessel... However I don't see this as a powerful enough of an analogy for the ship itself to be the dying leader. Could be wrong, 'course.
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That would assume Galactica is sentient. Even that she is the 5th cylon. But if RDM comes up with THAT crap, I will delete the episodes from my HDD and forget that I ever watched them.
Uh. I thought the Fifth was Ellen. :wtf:
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what seems to be is that the Fifth is definitely not Gaeta nor Zarek..
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Uh. I thought the Fifth was Ellen. :wtf:
You're right, She is!
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You cant be sure...all we know, that Mr. XO remembered her from his Earth-life. So, she is most probably A cylon, but not necessarily the very-very final 5th cylon.
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You do remember Ellen telling Tigh that they would be reborn, right? And in the latest trailer for this Friday's episode
it shows her being brought back.
Watch it. Trailers are still spoilers past this ep.
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MY own theory regarding the damage to Galactica is:
The Bucket is going down, but she's taking Cavil with her
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One word: WOW
One problem: Launch tubes are for flushing people out of, not shooting people!!!!
:mad: Dont break with tradition :mad:
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One word: WOW
One problem: Launch tubes are for flushing people out of, not shooting people!!!!
:mad: Dont break with tradition :mad:
But you have to remember that the flushing people out an airlock thing was not done officially. Zarek and Gaeta were shot officially.
So they are triple use :)
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I'm sure they flushed them out after they shot them.
Quick disposal.
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What I don't get is why they had a five person firing squad for 2 people at once. :\ The whole point of a firing squad is that nobody knows who has the bullet.
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Simple, give out four bullets and one blank. Same principle in reverse.
Although it would have been amusing if all five had shot Zarek :D
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Although it would have been amusing if all five had shot Zarek :D
That's a brilliant idea...I am REALLY curious, how Adama would have solved that awkward situation. :P
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No it wouldn't. Galactica is undoubtedly the leader of the Rag Tag Fleet.
Did it recieve visions about serpents ten and two?
Although it would have been amusing if all five had shot Zarek :D
That's a brilliant idea...I am REALLY curious, how Adama would have solved that awkward situation. :P
Solved? The shot ended the episode ;).
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No it wouldn't. Galactica is undoubtedly the leader of the Rag Tag Fleet.
Did it recieve visions about serpents ten and two?
That on the other hand is a bigger problem. :)
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Although it would have been amusing if all five had shot Zarek :D
That's a brilliant idea...I am REALLY curious, how Adama would have solved that awkward situation. :P
Probably would have pulled out a pistol and shot Geata himself. But really, they should've spaced 'em.
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I remember my first time on a transport, on the Moon-Mars run. I was just a kid, maybe seventeen. A buddy of mine was messing around, and zipping through the halls, and he hid in one of the airlocks. I don't know, I guess he was gonna try to scare us or something, I don't know...But just as I got close, he must have hit the wrong button because the air doors slammed shut, the space doors opened, and he just flew out into space. You know, the one thing they never tell you is that you don't die instantly in vacuum. Just hung there, against the black, like a puppet with his strings all tangled up. Or one of those old cartoons where you run off the edge of a cliff and your legs keep going.
You could see that he was trying to breathe, but there was nothing. The one thing I remember, when they pulled in his body, his eyes were frozen. A lot of people make jokes about spacing somebody, about shoving somebody out an airlock. I don't think it's funny. Never will.
Can't really see Adama thinking that's a suitable punishment for Gaeta somehow.
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Your sci-fi universes are crossing over there kara. :p
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Best description of a spacing I remember hearing. :)
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Yeah, but where did that come from? I remember reading it, but i can't seem to recall where....
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Dr Franklin, Babylon 5 - And now for a word.