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Let me see if I get this straight...
The original 12 tribes created humanoid AI. There was some sort of conflict, and this AI left Kobol, becoming the 13th tribe. They eventually settled on Earth, where they flourish in their new society, able to reproduce like humans. Then something happened, they had their own holocaust, and were wiped out, except for 5 that foresaw the end coming. These 5 backtracked to the 12 colonies, to try and warn the humans, except they were too late. So the made a deal with the Centurions: human-form bodies and resurrection technology in exchange for peace. Problem was, the Ones, John, didn't like the idea of being human and having peace. So they tricked the 5, wiped their memories, and tossed them into the 12 colonies. The rest is history.
The whole thing is both very revealing, and extremely confusing. All in all though, I like how Moore, Eick, and the writers have pieced it all together. It feels right, and makes sense. Looking forward to getting more information though...the whole thing is still a bit hazy, with too many gaps.
Speaking of gaps, poor Galactica! She's tearing apart at the seams. I guess even ships can be imperfect, no matter how heroic they seem. I liked Tyrol's quip about the cost cutting during her construction; really brings to mind the old saw about remembering that your gun was made by the lowest bidder. And now she's gonna be part Cylon...that should be interesting.
Excitement and action wise, this episode was lacking. But it did a good job of progressing the story, and tying together some of the hanging threads we've had. So for those of us that like character and story development just as much as bang bang action scenes, I think it was a good episode.
P.S. - Here's predicting that one of the Daniels escaped, and was Kara's father.
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Arr, will do. Making popcorn now. :nod:
1 hour later...
And... that was... not what I expected :\
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HOLY **** HOLY **** HOLY ****
Superb episode. Nothing happened, it was pure exposition, but man, it explained about half of the show.
And Kate Vernon can act.
And less CGI now means more CGI space battles later (I pray.)
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I think there's gonna definitely be one more big, huge, holy frak battle in this show before it ends...would be crazy not to have one. And besides, I don't expect Cavil/John just fading away; that sadistic bastard is going out with a bang!
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OK.
Finally! Answers!
Ellen is the mother of all human models, she made 'em!
Didn't expect that, all other final cylons are more or less true to their "human" character.
I mean, they didn't change that much, except for Tori.
13 Cylons. Makes sense, there are 13 tribes.
My first thought was the 13th Cylon is Starbuck, but it's a male. Does anyone here shout's Baltar? ;)
Cavil is more badass then usual, Boomer takes, like promised by RDM a important part in the last episodes.
And: GALACTICA GOES BIOLOGICAL!!! F*CK YEAH! IF they can implement that there IS a chance that the Bucket survives.
Regarding Starbuck:
My Theory:
Ellen and Boomer manage to escape. They also mange to get a heavy raider.
Starbuck dies in the Maelstrom. They pick up the debries and the body.
They go to the colony, clone Starbuck and analyze the Brain ( like Cavil wanted to do with ellen ).
They go to earth, put there the debriis of Kara's Viper after they send her clone back to the fleet.
A great episode!
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Ellen isn't the mother of the Final Five, only the Significant Seven (Excellent Eight, now that we know about Daniel/Number Seven?)
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Ellen isn't the mother of the Final Five, only the Significant Seven (Excellent Eight, now that we know about Daniel/Number Seven?)
Ellen invented the resurrection process, she also was mostly responsible for the creation of the human models.
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Ellen isn't the mother of the Final Five, only the Significant Seven (Excellent Eight, now that we know about Daniel/Number Seven?)
Ellen invented the resurrection process, she also was mostly responsible for the creation of the human models.
The Cylons from Kobol had resurrection; it was lost; Ellen helped rediscover it.
She was not responsible for the creation of Tory, Tigh, Anders, or Tyrol, who were all created on Kobol, or by procreation between Kobol-Cylons on Earth.
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HOLY **** HOLY **** HOLY ****
Superb episode. Nothing happened, it was pure exposition, but man, it explained about half of the show.
And Kate Vernon can act.
And less CGI now means more CGI space battles later (I pray.)
Yeah but that wasn't really what bothered me. It seemed too... fast. It was a lot of "Wow what the hell" stuff all at once. It certainly didn't help that more than half of it was being delivered by a dude with a bullet lodged in his brain.
Galactica with Cylon tech is interesting, though... I wonder if we're going to see some new textures.
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HOLY **** HOLY **** HOLY ****
Superb episode. Nothing happened, it was pure exposition, but man, it explained about half of the show.
And Kate Vernon can act.
And less CGI now means more CGI space battles later (I pray.)
Yeah but that wasn't really what bothered me. It seemed too... fast. It was a lot of "Wow what the hell" stuff all at once. It certainly didn't help that more than half of it was being delivered by a dude with a bullet lodged in his brain.
Galactica with Cylon tech is interesting, though... I wonder if we're going to see some new textures.
Yeah, the writing was largely pretty poor (new writer by the way.) But if you accept its function as an infodump episode, it works not too shabbily.
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The timescale doesn't match up for Ellen to be responsible for Starbuck, since she was imprisoned by the Cavilry doing the battle of the nebula. I was half expecting a scene of her patching into the baseship and sending a signal to the others, (causing the power outage) with Cavil barging in and going "WHAT DID YOU DO!"
Anyway, it seems that the vision at the Temple of the Five, the supernova, Kara's death and resurrection, and the activation of the Four are all being orchestrated by a third party. The same third party who warned the Five about the impending doom, and are the 'head' entities. (possibly also tied to the ramblings of the hybrids?)
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wow :)
SPOILERS
while anders was incoherant at times he did answer allot of questions along with ellen
the final 5 were responsible for the armistice. very intresting
the reason that they are over 2000 years old is due to the lact of jump drives. as people may know ships traveling fast enought through space the crew will have experience the passage of time differently to the rest of the universe.
they noted that they said organic memory transfere. this implys that starbuck could be downloaded, my guess is daniel was her father and set up a means for her to download if nescessery. all speculation though.
the 7s (daniel) were destroyed during maturation by john (ones)
daniel is mentioned as an artist. we know from
SPOILERS
that kara meets an enigmatic piano player in followin episodes. possibly daniel
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Woo, big infodump episode. Probably going to have to rewatch it, but from what I gather, there was a war on Kobol with the humans vs Cylons. The Cylons left and established Earth, while the humans left and established the 12 colonies, Kobol being decimated. The Cylons on Earth did not have resurrection or jump technology; they were basically humans. Eventually they created their own race of Cylon slaves. Warned of the upcoming war, the Final Five resurrected resurrection technology (bad pun intended), and left to go warn the humans on the 12 colonies to keep the Cylons close and not to mistreat them - they arrived too late. So they made a deal with the Cylons that if they gave them Rez technology (which, btw, I'm assuming that the Hub is actually that very same ship that they traveled on), they would stop the war, and they did.
John was angry with the fives for creating them in the image of man, so he airlocked them and then wiped their memories, implanting them in the human race soon after the war was over - if Ellen is correct, to torture them further.
Very interesting episode, a lot to stew over.
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Unknown Target seems to have picked up the same stuff as me.
It all makes sense, and definitely need to know the rest!
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I was almost positive this week's episode would be a step down from the last one... and I'm glad I was wrong. It's different, last one was more about action while this one more about the underlying story, but it was really great. I've always been afraid of the ending story - it could only be awesome or suck badly. And so far, it's leaning towards awesome - the explanations so far work very well for me.
As for the bucket, I'm glad they're finding a way to keep her in action, but I'm really hoping they're not going to change her appearance on the outside, at least not too much. We're talking structural changes, ship's "bones" as the chief put it, so the plating on the outside might not get modified.
Ellen works surprisingly well as a Cylon - I was very pleasantly surprised by her character in this episode. Looking forward to seeing more of her.
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I think UT summed it up a bit better than I did. Here's something I'm wondering though...are the Cavils the ones that programmed the other "normal" Cylons to never think about the Final Five? Gotta wonder if the Cavils have been pulling the strings of the Cylons this whole time they thought they were a democracy. I'm also wondering how the Centurions fit into this...they're the ones that are responsible for the human-form Cylons in the first place.
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I'm actually wondering how much power Cavil actually has and how much he thinks he has...
The Centurions might still have a word or two to say before the end. Well, not literally. But you know what I mean.
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Well the Centurions are sentient, but have had some form of inhibitor placed in them. The rebel cylons removed those chips, caville hasn't.
Caville was the first humanoid cylon, and helped create the others, but didn't do it himself.
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Update upon rewatch: Ellen (and likely the other Five) were, in fact, products of procreation between Kobol-model humanoid Cylons. Otherwise Ellen wouldn't have had a father named John.
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ADDITIONAL HOLY ****
So, upon rewatch, in this middle of his craziness, Anders mentions 'warning signs' that the Final Five received before the Holocaust on Earth. "I saw a woman, you saw a man...Tyrol, you thought you had a chip in your head..."
They all had virtual entities in their heads, just like HeadSix with Baltar, and HeadBaltar for Caprica-Six.
They virtual beings really are angels of God! Or so it seems.
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That reminds me of the comment the doctress made at the end of the show. " He [Anders.. his consciousness.. ] seemed her to do not be in there [ into his body - brain ] ". Which sounds very promising to me :)
By the way.. at last we've seen Cylon Launching tubes ! :D
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Update upon rewatch: Ellen (and likely the other Five) were, in fact, products of procreation between Kobol-model humanoid Cylons. Otherwise Ellen wouldn't have had a father named John.
EDIT:
ADDITIONAL HOLY ****
So, upon rewatch, in this middle of his craziness, Anders mentions 'warning signs' that the Final Five received before the Holocaust on Earth. "I saw a woman, you saw a man...Tyrol, you thought you had a chip in your head..."
They all had virtual entities in their heads, just like HeadSix with Baltar, and HeadBaltar for Caprica-Six.
They virtual beings really are angels of God! Or so it seems.
I somehow completely missed that...that's huge. And how does Hera fit into all this? What's the deal with the opera house? Too many questions! Frak this is getting confusing. :confused:
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(which, btw, I'm assuming that the Hub is actually that very same ship that they traveled on)
If it is, then the FTL sections were retrofitted on by the Centurions. It is possible that whatever reactionless engines the baseships and hub use can reach relativistic speeds.
However, due to the mention of a colony, I wouldn't be surprised if they abandoned their actual ship and constructed the hub and resurrection ships with joint technology.
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Overall, a great episode information-wise. :yes:
Dean Stockwell's acting? Not so much. :no:
In my opinion, Stockwell just didn't seem convinced by the material. His being pi$$ed off at his "mother" Ellen, wasn't, well, very angry in an emotive sense, and for some reason, just about every word he spoke was drawn out. When people get angry and speak, the words zip out. For Stockwell, just the opposite. Weird. I'm a huge fan of his, particularly his work on Quantum Leap, but his last few appearances in the series have left me wondering what's causing his delivery to seem so flat.
Cavil's a great character, but I'm starting to regret Stockwell's selection to play the role. This episode was THE moment for him to just unleash his rage regarding his very existence on Ellen. Instead, it came out as a whimper with really bushy eyebrows trying to look enraged. The lines regarding the limitations of "human" flesh, and his desire to dance about the very stuff of stars were well written. There's a lot that one could read between these lines, such as wanting too badly to ascend into the immortal, with none too subtle allusions to Lucifer or whatever demonic deity one would like to submit here, based on personal tastes. But man, their delivery! Awful. Really, really bad stuff here, Dean.
That aside...
Wow! So much to digest. I think that the brain injury was a great means to justify Anders' sudden reconnection with his Cylon history, and to try and get it out as quickly as possible before his memory's subordinated and/or lost.
Having the scenes with Ellen on the basestar was a nice device to temper the agitated data flooding out of Anders.
The posts here have really fired up my imagination. I'd like it if Daniel was Baltar, and that one of the models was Starbuck's father. But if that's the case, and the rumor regarding her future encounter with a piano player are an indication that there is a model of Daniel in the fleet and he's the piano player, well, there's no way that Baltar could be a Daniel-model.
The head-Baltars and head-Sixes must be a manifestation of the other individuals visiting the heads of all the other models. Anders didn't describe the one he saw as looking like a Six, so that's interesting to contemplate...
There's definitely a bigger player(s) involved in all of this. Perhaps whatever it is they keep referring to as "god". Is it also responsible for Starbuck's return from the dead? The timeline doesn't seem to permit Ellen to be the one who intervened in the Cylon ship regarding Kara's fate, so...
Can't wait for the next one!
Seriously people, stop casually dropping in spoilers for future events. Last warning. - Karajorma
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So all of a sudden speculation is equal to spoilers? :wtf:
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So all of a sudden speculation is equal to spoilers? :wtf:
The piano player
is.
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So all of a sudden speculation is equal to spoilers? :wtf:
He referred to a rumour of an event that would occur in a later episode. And it was a very specific rumour.
It's like saying before 4x12 aired "So if this rumour that the BSG cast did a scene on a nuked planet is true then I guess they find Earth and it's destroyed" That's an absolutely massive spoiler. It's not simple speculation at all.
Posting rumours that relate to future episodes can easily be a spoiler regardless of whether you are certain or not that they are true.
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One thing thats bugging me about this episode is that its said cavil sent the 5 back to the colonies to mingle with the humans after the war. but didn't Tigh and Adama meet years ago?, i seem to remember an episode, i cant remember which one but its when Tigh and Adama meet (Adama sporting the classic moustache look) but I'm sure Tigh looked a hell of allot younger, but when they showed the flashbacks on Earth he seemed to be about the age he is now which would mean he resurrected on their homemade resurrection hub the same age.
Also did Cavil make up credentials and history for the five as Tigh apparently fought in the original war? surely it would show in fleet records that he didn't
This episode hurts my head :nervous:
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One thing thats bugging me about this episode is that its said cavil sent the 5 back to the colonies to mingle with the humans after the war. but didn't Tigh and Adama meet years ago?, i seem to remember an episode, i cant remember which one but its when Tigh and Adama meet (Adama sporting the classic moustache look) but I'm sure Tigh looked a hell of allot younger, but when they showed the flashbacks on Earth he seemed to be about the age he is now which would mean he resurrected on their homemade resurrection hub the same age.
Also did Cavil make up credentials and history for the five as Tigh apparently fought in the original war? surely it would show in fleet records that he didn't
This episode hurts my head :nervous:
They met after the first war, when they were both trying to get 'back into the Fleet'.
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Ah, a lot of plot exposition makes for a very satisfying episode. The only thing that disappointed me was a lack of fallout from the mutiny, but that's not what this episode was about.
Do the Five, in their current forms, age? We see Ellen come back exactly as she died, but if this was the way Cavil sent them to the colonies, they would have had a hard time integrating into human society - not to mention maintain their self-belief of being human.
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooo that had lots of info in it.........
Going to watch that a few times to make sure i have it all...............
Couple of Q for everyone here. Since their was possibly an AI conflict on Kobol, which led to the creation of the 13th tribe, Nuked earth, etc, etc.
1) Are all humans from Kobol wiped out???
2) Could these humans be the 'head 6 & head Baltar' With the talk of angels in this episode. An evolution of humans??
3) Is Galactica ****ed? One more nuke could end her me thinks????
4) Does John (Cavil) look more sickly to you?? Not sure is it real life, the makeup, kind of appears as if he is dying. Could explain why he hates his body so much, cancer or something?
5) Tigh went weeks without booze???????
6) Why would the centurions be more loyal to John than Ellen, since she is the creator?
7) Are we going to see a trip back to earth or is this 'colony' somewhere else?
8) Is Boomer really helping Ellen, or is it a trick so John can find out the location of the fleet.....
That about does it, not many more episodes to go!
And that smiley little prick who keeps correcting my spelling: **** off! :D
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Presumably survivors of Kobol humanity founded the Twelve Colonies.
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Presumably survivors of Kobol humanity founded the Twelve Colonies.
Yeah, the original Cylons and the humans had a war on Kobol, devastated it, and then everyone went their separate ways. The Cylons colonizing Earth, the humans colonizing the Colonies.
And boozeless Tigh is a major WTF moment for me. He's supposed to be the fleet's drunk. I wonder if he's going to start shaving now and get back to being the mean-ass XO he was at the start instead of the drunken lout he has been.
Also, since Boomer is heading to the fleet, are she and Tyrol going to hook back up? And Boomer and Athena are going to have to resolve some problems regarding Athena's origins. The whole "clone with memories meant to trick Helo" thing specifically. There are going to be lots of explanations in the next episode. Especially the one where Tigh tells his wife he was cheating on her and knocked up a Six. Not to mention his apology for killing her. Tigh will have to deal with two women who will have some jealousy issues with him, not to mention he killed one of them.
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I wondered about the Boomer/Chief thing. A possibility and kind of a fitting full circle.
Tigh and his predicament...I wonder if that one won't be much of a starter. The resurrected Ellen is not seemingly the kind to get jealous that easily. I also wonder if she'll find the pregnancy fascinating!
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And boozeless Tigh is a major WTF moment for me. He's supposed to be the fleet's drunk. I wonder if he's going to start shaving now and get back to being the mean-ass XO he was at the start instead of the drunken lout he has been.
Who's to say he can't be both?
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Especially the one where Tigh tells his wife he was cheating on her and knocked up a Six.
It's not cheating if you kill your wife before sleeping with the other woman. :p
The other interesting thing is that Tigh has slept with and got pregnant a woman Ellen regards as her daughter.
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Especially the one where Tigh tells his wife he was cheating on her and knocked up a Six.
It's not cheating if you kill your wife before sleeping with the other woman. :p
The other interesting thing is that Tigh has slept with and got pregnant a woman Ellen regards as her daughter.
That makes him dad AND Grandpa to the same kid. Hmmm!
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I'm My Own Grandpa! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkiOm-vmpcY)
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Regarding someone as your child isn't the same as birthing that person...
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No, but it does mean that Tigh's child is in a way Ellen's grandchild. So that means Tigh is both its father and grandfather. Remember, the Final Five were responsible for the creation of the skinjobs in the first place. Do we even know if the child is male or female yet for that matter?
But I'm really looking forwards to what Tyrol and Boomer do, especially since Tyrol had gotten involved with Kailey(sp?) and started raising a child.
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No, but it does mean that Tigh's child is in a way Ellen's grandchild. So that means Tigh is both its father and grandfather. Remember, the Final Five were responsible for the creation of the skinjobs in the first place. Do we even know if the child is male or female yet for that matter?
But I'm really looking forwards to what Tyrol and Boomer do, especially since Tyrol had gotten involved with Kailey(sp?) and started raising a child.
Cally. And it was a child that ended up not even being his. The more interesting relationship thing, to me, is how the Final Five treat each other with the new knowledge of their past relationships. For example, Tyrol and Tory used to be together...how do they move forward now that they know that?
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Let me see if I get this straight...
The original 12 tribes created humanoid AI. There was some sort of conflict, and this AI left Kobol, becoming the 13th tribe. They eventually settled on Earth, where they flourish in their new society, able to reproduce like humans. Then something happened, they had their own holocaust, and were wiped out, except for 5 that foresaw the end coming. These 5 backtracked to the 12 colonies, to try and warn the humans, except they were too late. So the made a deal with the Centurions: human-form bodies and resurrection technology in exchange for peace. Problem was, the Ones, John, didn't like the idea of being human and having peace. So they tricked the 5, wiped their memories, and tossed them into the 12 colonies. The rest is history.
The whole thing is both very revealing, and extremely confusing. All in all though, I like how Moore, Eick, and the writers have pieced it all together. It feels right, and makes sense. Looking forward to getting more information though...the whole thing is still a bit hazy, with too many gaps.
Speaking of gaps, poor Galactica! She's tearing apart at the seams. I guess even ships can be imperfect, no matter how heroic they seem. I liked Tyrol's quip about the cost cutting during her construction; really brings to mind the old saw about remembering that your gun was made by the lowest bidder. And now she's gonna be part Cylon...that should be interesting.
Excitement and action wise, this episode was lacking. But it did a good job of progressing the story, and tying together some of the hanging threads we've had. So for those of us that like character and story development just as much as bang bang action scenes, I think it was a good episode.
P.S. - Here's predicting that one of the Daniels escaped, and was Kara's father.
The holocaust on Earth was the skinjobs deciding to make Centurions. The Centurions killed Earth skinjobs, but the 5 predicted this war and left to warn the rest of the colonies not to build centurions. But the other colonies already built centurions.
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Kailey(sp?)
Cally.
Thanks. I'm bad with names.
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i know this isn't directly linked to this episode but i couldn't think where else to ask without creating a new topic, but whatever happened to Bulldog, the stealthstar pilot from Hero? it seems hes totally drifted off and with the final episodes looming i cant see him making an appearance since there are no mysteries left regarding the final five
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i know this isn't directly linked to this episode but i couldn't think where else to ask without creating a new topic, but whatever happened to Bulldog, the stealthstar pilot from Hero? it seems hes totally drifted off and with the final episodes looming i cant see him making an appearance since there are no mysteries left regarding the final five
Season 3 had a number of one-shot, episodic stories that haven't really been important to the greater arc.
The writers have admitted they view that as a bit of a mistake.
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http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html
Especially this tidbit:
Jane: The Final Five were polytheists until they met the Centurions, who were monotheists.
That seems rather interesting, since it seemed that the Temple of Hopes was supposed to be dedicated to a monotheistic god and its priests.
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Let me see if I get this straight...
The original 12 tribes created humanoid AI. There was some sort of conflict, and this AI left Kobol, becoming the 13th tribe. They eventually settled on Earth, where they flourish in their new society, able to reproduce like humans. Then something happened, they had their own holocaust, and were wiped out, except for 5 that foresaw the end coming. These 5 backtracked to the 12 colonies, to try and warn the humans, except they were too late. So the made a deal with the Centurions: human-form bodies and resurrection technology in exchange for peace. Problem was, the Ones, John, didn't like the idea of being human and having peace. So they tricked the 5, wiped their memories, and tossed them into the 12 colonies. The rest is history.
The whole thing is both very revealing, and extremely confusing. All in all though, I like how Moore, Eick, and the writers have pieced it all together. It feels right, and makes sense. Looking forward to getting more information though...the whole thing is still a bit hazy, with too many gaps.
Speaking of gaps, poor Galactica! She's tearing apart at the seams. I guess even ships can be imperfect, no matter how heroic they seem. I liked Tyrol's quip about the cost cutting during her construction; really brings to mind the old saw about remembering that your gun was made by the lowest bidder. And now she's gonna be part Cylon...that should be interesting.
Excitement and action wise, this episode was lacking. But it did a good job of progressing the story, and tying together some of the hanging threads we've had. So for those of us that like character and story development just as much as bang bang action scenes, I think it was a good episode.
P.S. - Here's predicting that one of the Daniels escaped, and was Kara's father.
The holocaust on Earth was the skinjobs deciding to make Centurions. The Centurions killed Earth skinjobs, but the 5 predicted this war and left to warn the rest of the colonies not to build centurions. But the other colonies already built centurions.
Why is that confusing??? It is perfectly clear ;) :drevil:
Yeah, honestly i know what you mean, its an episode you wanna watch couple of times to make sure you got it right
Frak it. Dont like Gaps. Gaps should be flushed out the airlock with plot loopholes, bad acting, and Annoying kids on sci fi shows
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We know the 5 travelled back to the 12 Colonies at "relatavistic speeds", with no FTL, to warn the humans not to build a nw race of Cylons, having themselves come to a sticky end and escaped just in time by using newly re-discovered resurrection, but were too late.
So, the Humans once created the Cylons on Kobol, it lead to war and a split. This was then repeated both on the 12 Colonies and the old Cylons' Earth. That makes the current Human/Cylon war the fourth.
We know that the 5 original Earth Cylons managed to bring about the 12 Colonies' armistice by giving the 12Col Centurions resurrection and the humanoid boidies they were already working towards themselves. The first of these new breeds was John (Cavil), who has deep seated instability and hates the limitations of an organic body. He turned on his creators, the Earth 5, and killed them, putting their resurrected bodies amongst the humans as a punishment and revenge. John also killed the Number 7, Daniel, though the explaination of why is not yet clear.
Having just watched the Caprica pilot trailer, I find it interesting that one of the main characters is called Daniel. I think it's Graystone, the creator of the robot copy of Joe Adama's daughter and Bill Adama's sister. My guess is that one or more of the Daniels survived. How this will fit though, seems difficult, as that Caprica Daniel was set prior to the war, and the information from Ellen suggests they arrived after the start of the war. If Tigh's memories of the Cylon War, including the Brinnock, are real, then maybe the Earth 5 arrived before the war with their 8 new models, and gave these models to the 12Col centurions as a peace offering? An what seems like Lucy Lawless in the last voice-over in the trailer... could this robot sister of Bill's become Number 3?
As for the Galactica itself, it seems odd that the structural damage is a surprise to the crew - surely the engineering teams would have been conducting regular inspections, given her age, her participation in two wars, four years on the run, some massive nuclear poundings and a freefall through atmosphere? I can't see any reason she should change in appearance at all for structural repairs - they'd just cut away and replace the bad steel pillars and plate the bulkheads. The only thing likley to chage her lines at all is the Cylon FTL system, but that might just consist of tweaks and modifications to the existing set, ather than and engine compartment rebuild. The organic compund to repair the steel microfractures could change the looks a little, I suppose - it could "eat" the paint and scorch marks' soot, cleaning the ship to an etched metal finish similar to the Raiders, Basestars and season 1 Centurions. If it's meant to be a sentient compound (hive mind, nanobots or whatever other analogy you like), perhaps it'll be a Trek-like end-of-episode reset with an as-new ship at the end of it. I think they'll resist that option, though, and just have it repair the microfactures only - if you have it sealing all the big cracks, it'll get silly; how would id differentiate between a crack in a beam and the joint between a door and its frame, or other moving parts?
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John also killed the Number 7, Daniel, though the explanation of why is not yet clear.
It was explained. Ellen said that Daniel was an artist, and he was very close to her hearth. John felt that she was playing favorites. So, driven by the most pitiful human emotions, jealousy and rage, he killed the Daniel models.
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John also killed the Number 7, Daniel, though the explanation of why is not yet clear.
It was explained. Ellen said that Daniel was an artist, and he was very close to her hearth. John felt that she was playing favorites. So, driven by the most pitiful human emotions, jealousy and rage, he killed the Daniel models.
I just thought that, in true BSG fashion, that was only a part of the story. It's clear that john controlled the other models right from hi insept, and I understood it that he actually helped in creating them too. Now, if Daniel was also designed to be a leader, John's character flaws having been revealed to the original 5 creators, then perhaps he killed Daniel to prevent himself from being usurped.
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zomg
cavil is master cheif
john = john
On a more serious note, doesn't it seem like the lightspeed limit introduces some continuity holes? Wasn't the Ionian Nebula 13,000 lightyears from the algae planet?
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They met Cylons after their sub-luminal trip, not necessarily in the immediate vicinity of the Colonial space... Who knows how far the Cylon Centurions had spread at that point.
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They met Cylons after their sub-luminal trip, not necessarily in the immediate vicinity of the Colonial space... Who knows how far the Cylon Centurions had spread at that point.
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Hrm, almost believable.
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the revelations of the episode also bring to light other things, such as the inhibitors imbedded in the centurions to keep them docille. clearly an attempt to stop what had happend twice before hand from happening.
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because apparently people are totally incapable of treating their toasters decently
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I don't think we will hear much about Daniel (number 7). RDM said in his podcast they had to introduce a 13th Cylon somehow, because they numbered boomer an 8 before they came up with the final five. They then realized that 8 and 5 did not equal 12. So Daniel was a continuity tool.
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I don't think we will hear much about Daniel (number 7). RDM said in his podcast they had to introduce a 13th Cylon somehow, because they numbered boomer an 8 before they came up with the final five. They then realized that 8 and 5 did not equal 12. So Daniel was a continuity tool.
Well that's a cop out...if they're going to introduce a new Cylon, the least they can do is integrate him more into the story. Couldn't they have just said that Boomer was Number 8 because 7 is an unlucky number? :p
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Like I said, there is a Daniel in the Caprica spin off, and I think he invents the Cylon skin jobs ahead of the Centurions being created. How does he have the knowledge to do that, with little time taken for development, if he's not a skin job himself? It's just speculation, but there appears (from a trailer only, admittedly) to be a possibility of further cross-over intrigue there.
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Why would Cavil kill all the sevens out of jealousy and then only box the threes when they threatened his whole thing about keeping the final five dead to everyone?
That's the only reason I think the Daniels might have some significance... or at least that there's a bit more to that little Cavil killing him thing than they said.
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Like I said, there is a Daniel in the Caprica spin off, and I think he invents the Cylon skin jobs ahead of the Centurions being created. How does he have the knowledge to do that, with little time taken for development, if he's not a skin job himself? It's just speculation, but there appears (from a trailer only, admittedly) to be a possibility of further cross-over intrigue there.
It could be, but the timelines don't work out -- we know that Daniel wasn't created until after the Five arrived, which was after the Cylon uprising, which was after Caprica.
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Like I said, there is a Daniel in the Caprica spin off, and I think he invents the Cylon skin jobs ahead of the Centurions being created. How does he have the knowledge to do that, with little time taken for development, if he's not a skin job himself? It's just speculation, but there appears (from a trailer only, admittedly) to be a possibility of further cross-over intrigue there.
It could be, but the timelines don't work out -- we know that Daniel wasn't created until after the Five arrived, which was after the Cylon uprising, which was after Caprica.
Yep, but there have been plenty of other continuity snafus. It's just a lot of coincidence otherwise. Maybe Daniel left Earth well ahead of the Five and other new skin jobs, wanting to learn about the other 12 tribes?
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umm what?
the 8 were created by the five together with the centurions AFTER the war.
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umm what?
the 8 were created by the five together with the centurions AFTER the war.
I have only seen the episode once, so have probably missed a few remarks and details, but I got the impression that the five had made John themselves, and that the others may have been made later with the aid of the Colonies' centurions, or that they had already been designed and built as individuals but then copies were made later for the centurions. I just didn't pick up on any specific details that stated the earliest of the 8 weren't built until after contact with the Colonial centurions. The fact that none of the others knew whoe the Five were or about Daniel suggests to me that John and Daniel were built quite early on, and why would you label the second bult as "7". I'm just not sure about the chronology of events - I think it's possible that the originals of each of the 8 were created on Earth, and that a Daniel that evaded John went ahead, and that the designs were given to the centurions when the Five arrived near the 12 Colonies... It's unlikely perhaps, but given the continuity errors so far, it's probably nothing that needs to be over-analysed.
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Cavil most likely wiped the memories of all the skinjobs when he wiped the memories of the final 5. No doubt he kept his own memories though, which is why he was so against anybody talking about the final five.
I consider Daniel being from Earth to be incredibly unlikely. It's one thing to make a continuity error with something from a season earlier, it's a completely different to make one over something that you introduced as "The Answer" a couple of episodes ago.
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umm what?
the 8 were created by the five together with the centurions AFTER the war.
I have only seen the episode once, so have probably missed a few remarks and details, but I got the impression that the five had made John themselves, and that the others may have been made later with the aid of the Colonies' centurions, or that they had already been designed and built as individuals but then copies were made later for the centurions. I just didn't pick up on any specific details that stated the earliest of the 8 weren't built until after contact with the Colonial centurions. The fact that none of the others knew whoe the Five were or about Daniel suggests to me that John and Daniel were built quite early on, and why would you label the second bult as "7". I'm just not sure about the chronology of events - I think it's possible that the originals of each of the 8 were created on Earth, and that a Daniel that evaded John went ahead, and that the designs were given to the centurions when the Five arrived near the 12 Colonies... It's unlikely perhaps, but given the continuity errors so far, it's probably nothing that needs to be over-analysed.
Nope, you actually just missed some stuff in the episode.
The Five built the Eight for the Centurions after the armistice. It was one of the conditions of ending the war -- they brokered the Armistice, after all.
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Nope, you actually just missed some stuff in the episode.
The Five built the Eight for the Centurions after the armistice. It was one of the conditions of ending the war -- they brokered the Armistice, after all.
I got that bit. I just wasn't sure they hadn't already built the Eight on Earth or on their way to the 12 Colonies, and then taught the Centurions how to make more of them for themselves as part of the peace deal.