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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: iamzack on February 25, 2009, 05:52:50 am
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somebody changed MS Word on this computer to use the dvorak keyboard layout for this non-dvorak-layout keyboard...
how do i change it back?
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jk, i fixed it, i so smart :]
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worries
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Anyone who types with the dvorak layout needs immediate removal from the gene pool.
*has bad memories of dvorak*
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Sounds like a bad-guy from Dr Who...
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There was a DVORAK in Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory as well.
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Well, let's not let this thread go to waste:
Is there really any advantage DVORAK has over QWERTY, or vice versa?
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I don't think there is any more to be honest, most of those formats were invented to cope with typewriters that had mechanical mechanisms.
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QWERTY was developed for typewrite issues. Dvorak is supposed to be more ergonomic and also made for faster typing.
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Even if QWERTY is a slower method I still type at 60-90wpm ...so how much faster is there a need to be :)
How is it more ergonomic?
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I said "supposed to be."
It's what I've been told. If it's true, I guess it has something to do with the most commonly-used letters being more within reach or something.
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Sounds like a bad-guy from Dr Who...
Nonsense ;)
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Sounds like a bad-guy from Dr Who...
Yes, who can forget that classic episode where Dr. Who has to sit through the entire New World Symphony.
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I never understand how a Dvorak keyboard can possibly speed up the typing speed of somebody who has used the Qwerty keyboard for years.
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Sounds like a bad-guy from Dr Who...
Nonsense ;)
LOL
Sounds like a bad-guy from Dr Who...
Yes, who can forget that classic episode where Dr. Who has to sit through the entire New World Symphony.
'Attack of the Bearded Czechs'?
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I never understand how a Dvorak keyboard can possibly speed up the typing speed of somebody who has used the Qwerty keyboard for years.
I don't know either, but there are people who says it did that for them... I consider sometimes switching and seeing if it's nicer to type on, though. But I don't type normally on a regular keyboard. My fingers are kinda stubby and crooked so typing from the homerow is way too awakward. :P
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dovorak is better, but nobody is trained in dovorak.
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dovorak is better, but nobody is trained in dovorak.
QFT. People will stick with what they're used to. I've been meaning to switch to Dvorak for years, but I've never gotten around to taking the time to retrain myself.
Hippo has, however. *calls Hippo*
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i don't actively use it, but i know it enough to remember the layout and have a dvorak keyboard and qwerty combined for quick reference
problem being that i learned qwerty, and have a qwerty G15 keyboard, so by second nature if i forget where a letter is i tend to go with the qwerty location, and taping letters on a lite up keyboard is weird
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I'd get a dvorak keyboard, but i now type with 8 fingers since my index fingers lost feeling from index finger crunching accidents. I was able to adapt on qwerty, i'd probably be really ****ed up on a dvorak.
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Nope, no dvorak. Can't play Freespace on dvorak.
:yes2: QWERTY :yes:
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I don't think I could've played FreeSpace on Dvorak either. The layout would mean that all the controls would be screwed.
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Actually not really, unless you use letters for controlling your flight. O_o
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One of the reasons that QWERTY still exists, is the same reason that Americans use imperial units of measurement. Making such a fundamental switchover, even to an objectively superior system, is a hassle.
It's a shame, because young people are forced to learn the inefficient, archaic system that we are used to.
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the dvorak layout seems like it will become really popular with nerds first and everntually spread into the mainstream or something... like eveyrhting else
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No, I don't think so. Remember, the Dvorak Layout has been around since the 1930s. Right now, there are only very few of these Keyboards available in the market, and that propably won't change, unless the biggest buyers of keyboards start requesting them.
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*shrug*
This one retardedly smart girl I know uses a dvorak keyboard.
It's that it's all different from common keyboards and has supposed benefits and blah blah that I think nerd types would pick it up first.
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No, I don't think so. Remember, the Dvorak Layout has been around since the 1930s. Right now, there are only very few of these Keyboards available in the market, and that propably won't change, unless the biggest buyers of keyboards start requesting them.
I've never even seen a Dvorak keyboard being sold here in Singapore.
...they're even rarer than Macs! :wakka:
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That's because when you overpay for an apple product which is always...you're actually purchasing the lifestyle.
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I'd say Davorak (or whatever) is just as random as qwerty.
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When I first learnt to type (I was about 6 or 7), I thought "Why don't they just have
abcdefghij
klmnopqrs
tuvwxyz
instead of this random array?"
Of course, now I'm used to the QWERTY layout.
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I think they used to. Now they don't.
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*Skips Thread and reads AE's post*
They used to have the vowels all on one line....good way to screw up your keyboard. I believe they fixed that during the 'typwriter stage' anyway.
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Sounds like a bad-guy from Dr Who...
Nonsense ;)
I lol'd so hard.
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Well, qwerty has been around since 1874 (according to wikipedia). it was designed in such a way to reduce the amount of mechanical failure on typewriters and to distribute the letters in a way that enables typists to effectively utilize both their hands. The dvorak layout is (supposedly) an even better distribution, because its letters are arrayed in such a way to make sure that both hands are used the same way. (This also means that there is no such thing as a "common" dvorak layout, as it has to be altered substantially for every language.)
The E - doing the research so you don't have to!
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Having started on Dvorak, and then forced in to QWERTY for school purposes, I enjoy being back on Dvorak.
And while it is tedious, Freespace can be re-mapped to utilize the Dvorak layout rather well. If it would just take the OSes Regional and Language settings in to account, that would be more for teh win, but apparently (like most improvements seem to be getting these days) it would require breaking the pilot files code some.
The down side for converting a Qwerty keyboards are:
Either having removable keys that do not have funky grooves for the home row keys, or overlaying stickers on them.
(EX: Logitech are easy to move the keys around on. Saitek and half the M$ keyboards are not)
In BIOS or DOS window environments, because the ASCII character pins on the ROM are still sending Qwerty signals, you still have a Qwerty keyboard in these environments. Some keyboards, this can be corrected on. Such as the G15, which is what I am using.
I don't know what my previous Dvorak typing rate was, but my Qwerty was at it's highest @ ~90wpm error free. It is now closer to ~125. I rarely can manage to type that fast when in a free form conversation because of the nature of how my brain works, but it comes in handy any way.
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... I've never even heard of DVORAK. Regardless, I think that if you grew up with DVORAK, and you're used to it, you'll be able to type very fast. Ditto for using QWERTY. It's mostly muscle memory, imo.
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I was once told that the most primitive keyboards had their keys arranged in alphabetical order.
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When I first learnt to type (I was about 6 or 7), I thought "Why don't they just have
abcdefghij
klmnopqrs
tuvwxyz
instead of this random array?"
Of course, now I'm used to the QWERTY layout.
The random array of letter really helps out. Otherwise wit abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz on the keyboard in order. You'd be using one hand a lot more than the other for typing based on the letters that you have to reach which would be inefficient.
This reminds me of kindergarten in the 1988 when i was 4. They had all of these apple computers loaded with typing software that was themed by the muppet babies. Sure i knew my alphabet, and i didn't know the point of the software since i don't remember the teacher telling me why we were going on the computers. It was obviously to teach keyboarding, but i didn't know that. I guess other people in my class knew how to read, i didn't. I just liked kermit the frog and did whatever i could on the keyboard to make him show up again.
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When I was eight, I was the fastest typist in my class. We had a typing program on the Windows 95 PCs in our schools, and we had to type about ten to fifty lines of words. Our lesson was due to end at recess, but I finished first and early, so I was released ten minutes before everyone else in my class. :D
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Oh I remember that program. Touch-type or summat like that, wasn't it? The teacher made me help him teach.
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Yes, that's the one. Touch-Type or Touch-Typing. :nod:
I will admit that my dad bought a copy of Typing Instructor Deluxe a year before I started my first Touch-Typing lessons, and although I spent most of my time typing gibberish on Typing Instructor, a head-start is still a head-start, no matter how crappy it may be. When I did get serious, however, I could do an average of 16 WPM, which was about 5 to 8 WPM faster than my classmates. The fastest I went at that time was 19 WPM, and even then, I was still the slowest typist in my entire family! My dad, despite not a frequent user of computers, could do ~23 WPM, but my mum went as far as 49 WPM! :wakka:
It's better now, though. I estimate that my current typing speed is about 25 to 30 WPM, and that's fine. :)
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I didn't actually learn how to type until i was in 8th grade when i was 14 in 1999. It was an awesome computer class they offered. They taught keyboarding, ms publisher, ms excel, ms powerpoint, and ms word all in one class. Great class, the only reason i know my way around ms office actually.
I forget what the keyboarding software was called, but it had lots of keyboarding games. My favorite was the game where your racing against another car, and it'd give you hard words and stuff, the faster you typed them correctly the faster you went. It had really cool music too.
The fastest i could get to was 120wpm a year later in highschool. But, two random accidents involving both your index fingers going numb, my has keyboarding changed. Idk how fast i type anymore, but it's a good deal slower than my fully functional hand fastest. I even bought a keyboard smaller than the one on my 15 inch laptop to accomodate for my hands and the two extra fingers that must reach a little further. It's very possible to keyboard just fine without your index fingers.
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Meh. I could do about 30 WPM then, slower than my mum by far, who's a certified typist and can fire away at 100 over, I think. It helped that I spent my early years typing 'power overwhelming', pretending that my units were invincible only in my base.
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A brief explanation:
The QWERTY layout was invented because people were typing too fast for typewriters to keep up. Before QWERTY, they had the most common letters (e, for example) on the home row (the one with the little dimples), and people typed faster and the typewriters were like "wtf screw you CRASSSHHHHHHHHHburnburnburn." Well now that computer keyboards don't have to worry about that, some people are switching to keyboard layouts where the fingers' rest position is on the more commonly used letters (like e).
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I learned how to use Microsoft Word and most of Microsoft PowerPoint on my own. All I had to do was to see my sister use it, then what I did was to "explore" the slightly finer bits of Word and PowerPoint. At the age of ten, when my classmates were doing about 100 to 400 KB presentations, mine was 1.43 MB. Come secondary school, when they finally manage to hit 1 MB, I was doing 50. Two years ago, as a Teachers' Day present, I cranked out a PowerPoint presentation that had so much stuff embedded into it, it took up 429 MB of disk space! :wakka:
That's the biggest PowerPoint presentation I've ever done to date, and I believe I still have it somewhere. I highly doubt that any future PowerPoint presentations I do will go anywhere near that size again.
The biggest Word document I've ever done (which I'm still doing, in fact), is 37.5 MB, has about 147 960 characters in 30 401 words and 81 pages.
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I learned how to use Microsoft Word and most of Microsoft PowerPoint on my own. All I had to do was to see my sister use it, then what I did was to "explore" the slightly finer bits of Word and PowerPoint. At the age of ten, when my classmates were doing about 100 to 400 KB presentations, mine was 1.43 MB. Come secondary school, when they finally manage to hit 1 MB, I was doing 50. Two years ago, as a Teachers' Day present, I cranked out a PowerPoint presentation that had so much stuff embedded into it, it took up 429 MB of disk space! :wakka:
That's the biggest PowerPoint presentation I've ever done to date, and I believe I still have it somewhere. I highly doubt that any future PowerPoint presentations I do will go anywhere near that size again.
The biggest Word document I've ever done (which I'm still doing, in fact), is 37.5 MB, has about 147 960 characters in 30 401 words and 81 pages.
Now I'm interested what the hell you put in that powerpoint...
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Sir, WHAT THE ****! do you put in your powerpoints and word docs?!
429 MB!!!!!! That's a lot of pwettyful pwictures
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Let me think...what I did was use PowerPoint 2000 with the following options:
Embed TrueType fonts
Embed system fonts
Embed objects smaller than 50,000 KB
There were about 15 to 20 slides, and I used the following three fonts:
Copperplate Gothic Light
Copperplate Gothic Bold
Unown™
Almost every slide has a separate background picture I made in Terragen and saved in BMP format at an image size of 1024 x 768 pixels. Each image embedded is about 1.2 MB in size.
Music is probably the biggest culprit. I embedded a WAV file into almost every single slide, and each file was between 1:30 to 4:30 in terms of run length. The smallest file was about 20 MB in size, and the largest, 45 MB.
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Let me think...what I did was use PowerPoint 2000 with the following options:
Embed TrueType fonts
Embed system fonts
Embed objects smaller than 50,000 KB
There were about 15 to 20 slides, and I used the following three fonts:
Copperplate Gothic Light
Copperplate Gothic Bold
Unown™
Almost every slide has a separate background picture I made in Terragen and saved in BMP format at an image size of 1024 x 768 pixels. Each image embedded is about 1.2 MB in size.
Music is probably the biggest culprit. I embedded a WAV file into almost every single slide, and each file was between 1:30 to 4:30 in terms of run length. The smallest file was about 20 MB in size, and the largest, 45 MB.
Wow
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I didn't actually learn how to type until i was in 8th grade when i was 14 in 1999. It was an awesome computer class they offered. They taught keyboarding, ms publisher, ms excel, ms powerpoint, and ms word all in one class. Great class, the only reason i know my way around ms office actually.
I forget what the keyboarding software was called, but it had lots of keyboarding games. My favorite was the game where your racing against another car, and it'd give you hard words and stuff, the faster you typed them correctly the faster you went. It had really cool music too.
The fastest i could get to was 120wpm a year later in highschool. But, two random accidents involving both your index fingers going numb, my has keyboarding changed. Idk how fast i type anymore, but it's a good deal slower than my fully functional hand fastest. I even bought a keyboard smaller than the one on my 15 inch laptop to accomodate for my hands and the two extra fingers that must reach a little further. It's very possible to keyboard just fine without your index fingers.
Is that Mavis Beacon teaches typing I see? It has really crappy .gif images for its graphics. Does the guy flying the plane crash if you lose? That's like "Oh no, you lost the race, I'm going to kill myself (emo)....BOOM!".
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Mavis Beacon had a chameleon game also. I liked it best, I don't remember why. But Ido know I never did homerow keys. I type entirely with my left index and middle finger (but I only use the middle finger when pushing two keys on the left side in quick succession) and my right index and middle finger and my right thumb (for spacebar). Oh, and I us my right pinky for shift. It's much faster, but I can't type without looking for more than a few seconds at a time. But that's only ever useful when I'm typing up something that is on paper. :P
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*snip*
Lol wut. My presentations have never hit so large.
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... I've never even heard of DVORAK. Regardless.
Neither have I until this thread appeared. :P
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Lol wut. My presentations have never hit so large.
There we go. My point proven. :p
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I learned how to use Microsoft Word and most of Microsoft PowerPoint on my own. All I had to do was to see my sister use it, then what I did was to "explore" the slightly finer bits of Word and PowerPoint. At the age of ten, when my classmates were doing about 100 to 400 KB presentations, mine was 1.43 MB. Come secondary school, when they finally manage to hit 1 MB, I was doing 50. Two years ago, as a Teachers' Day present, I cranked out a PowerPoint presentation that had so much stuff embedded into it, it took up 429 MB of disk space! :wakka:
That's the biggest PowerPoint presentation I've ever done to date, and I believe I still have it somewhere. I highly doubt that any future PowerPoint presentations I do will go anywhere near that size again.
I demand you upload this presentation for our evaluation. It sounds far too good to be true.
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For me and one friend it was about making 15 - 30mb comics with Powerpoint using STICKMEN.
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I demand you upload this presentation for our evaluation. It sounds far too good to be true.
Are you serious? :wtf:
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I demand you upload this presentation for our evaluation. It sounds far too good to be true.
Are you serious? :wtf:
Yes we are that serious.
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Is that Mavis Beacon teaches typing I see? It has really crappy .gif images for its graphics. Does the guy flying the plane crash if you lose? That's like "Oh no, you lost the race, I'm going to kill myself (emo)....BOOM!".
Yes that was mavis beacon. Wierd name, but i enjoyed it a greatly.
I learned how to use Microsoft Word and most of Microsoft PowerPoint on my own. All I had to do was to see my sister use it, then what I did was to "explore" the slightly finer bits of Word and PowerPoint. At the age of ten, when my classmates were doing about 100 to 400 KB presentations, mine was 1.43 MB. Come secondary school, when they finally manage to hit 1 MB, I was doing 50. Two years ago, as a Teachers' Day present, I cranked out a PowerPoint presentation that had so much stuff embedded into it, it took up 429 MB of disk space! :wakka:
That's the biggest PowerPoint presentation I've ever done to date, and I believe I still have it somewhere. I highly doubt that any future PowerPoint presentations I do will go anywhere near that size again.
My question is why?!!?! I stay away from powerpoint because it's retarded. In college i make all of my presentations just a series of png's (i used gimp because i had linux, you can also make a good looking presentation with mspaint). All OSes today come with image viewers that let you click a "next" button to go to your next slide or go into a slideshow mode so it works out great for me.
In powerpoint you can add fancy animations which only dumbs down the audience (oh this'll shock and awe them...details materializing into existence). I hate powerpoint, i've also found that many professors asking for only powerpoint presentations to be handed really didn't care that mine were just a series of png's in an image viewer on fullscreen mode. They thought my presentations were equally as good as powerpoint.
It's my belief that powerpoint presentations or similar only dumb people down and detract from the details being spoken. There is a way to give powerpoint presentations that is smart though. I saw one person who was talking about various places of the world. Her powerpoint presentation wasn't much, but it gave a great time for her to show a world map and point to locations on it with zoom in pictures in later slides pointing to where cities she was talking about were with some photos about what that place looked like. Make the audience interact with your powerpoint presentation and even interact with it yourself.
Mine was similar to hers except a little simpler. I would rather just gotten up there and talked. I did one about the black plague of 1347 with my series of png's :D There wasn't much i could do with it except make intriguing illustrations based on the many forms the black plague took when it was spread. These made the audience ask me more questions about how the black plague spread in its many forms. The funniest illustration i had was a big skull i found somewhere on the internet with green gasses coming from it blowing towards this stick man with an open mouth (showing how the airborne form spread). It was funny and awkward, but i really wanted to talk about the many ways the black plague was spread and also explain it visually as best as i could. Talking about the effects on society of the black plague back then with visual stimuli was a lot easier as i just grabbed pictures of artwork from that time period on the internet. I also had gotten a pointing rod that was 3 feet long (that my friends dubbed the spear of a spartan since we were testing our spear throwing abilities after we saw the movie) and i was pointing to the images and explaining them :D
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When I have to do a presentation, I usually bake it into a pdf. Actually, my professors insist on that, because they don't like Powerpoint either. :D
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Yeah, interactive Powerpoints are simple to make.
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When I have to do a presentation, I usually bake it into a pdf. Actually, my professors insist on that, because they don't like Powerpoint either. :D
I like your initiative :yes:
I've recently started sending all of my assignments to my instructors as pdfs only. Saving as .doc is a good guarantee they can open it up too.
I remember one horrible thing that happened. In class i was to give a presentation on how to make a blog. So i just showed everyone directly on the projector hooked up to my computer how to make a blog at blogger.com even showing them what widgets are and stuff like that. Screw powerpoint, i instructed everyone :D
The next person who actually gave a presentation on how to make a blog. She had this 10 page powerpoint presentation that had lots of pretty graphics. Lets just say the information coming out of her mouth was relevant and great, but the powerpoint presentation going along with it was purposeless. She was talking about all the different places you could sign up for a blog, she had ten pages of pretty looking blogging web site logos and slightly faded login screens for each. I was just like wow....rofl. Idk how i contained myself. She concluded her presentation by logging into her blog and making a new post inside of it.
She didn't nail the topic much at all, she just told you where you could go to make a blog. I actually instructed everyone how to make a blog by signing up for one, ver, how to make posts, edit your posts. Change your blog layout, title, url, and theme, add extra bull**** like a clock or a weather and temperature bar for where you're at. All she showed was where you could get a blog. If this was a class where we could team up to and give a presentation together that would've worked great, i only showed blogger (but absolutely how to sign up for it and how to do a lot of stuff with it) where all she did was summarize all the different places you could sign up for a blog and show her blog with nothing else (doesn't fit the topic of how to create a blog what she did with her worthless powerpoint presentation).
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PDFs are good because they embed the fonts you use, so somebody who doesn't have the font installed on their computer will still see the font when they open the file.
I think you did a great service for Blogger.com, S-99. That is how instructions on setting up a blog should be done. PowerPoint has little use in such a situation.