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Title: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: FraktuRe on March 07, 2009, 02:43:17 am
RIP Galactica.

Judging by Adama's comments, she's going out with a bang.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Herra Tohtori on March 07, 2009, 04:05:50 am
RIP Galactica.

Judging by Adama's comments, she's going out with a bang.

As long as the series doesn't end with a whimper, I can accept that. I can even accept a downer ending (to limited extent... I don't want to associate Galactica to a nice boat, if you catch my meaning) as long as they don't make it a Gainax ending... :nervous:

And I think the old lady still has a role to play. And I don't mean Roslin, though that's possible too. Perhaps Anders will commandeer the Bucket... And talking about Roslin and... medicinal herbs, remember to check 10:47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdmo_KCsutI&fmt=18) of this gag reel... :lol: Even if you've seen it before. Got a joint indeed...

I am noticing a pattern alternating between slower and action-packed episodes. This week's episode was a good one, not earth-shattering but at least it moved the plot ahead somewhat - scuttling Galactica and how it goes will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: newman on March 07, 2009, 07:06:46 am
Anyone else thought the Cylon base looked kinda.. off? And what was with the 1st war era raiders packed there? Hope their presence had a purpose beyond just a visual effect.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: FraktuRe on March 07, 2009, 07:16:19 am
yeah I wondered about them too.

I'm guessing it's because the colony was from the era when the cylons first left on their own.

It's not really stated with the colony was kept in use or not over the 40 years, but I guess if it wasn't there'd be old raiders there.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: karajorma on March 07, 2009, 07:22:15 am
Cavil probably used up a lot of his more modern Raiders in the civil war. So if he found older ones in mothballs he'd probably use them. I wonder who he got to fly them though. :D
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: TESLA on March 07, 2009, 07:42:28 am
yeah, its really setting things up for the final episode
Heard that the final episode is 120 minutes long! Thats going to be good!!!

So galactica will be going down in a fury of a storm
Wonder will the Admiral go down with the ship?


Well plans are in motion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1NV9NBHaAQ
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: newman on March 07, 2009, 08:58:27 am
I wonder who he got to fly them though. :D

Who says old style centurions are the only ones who can fly them? I'll bet new ones can do the job too..
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: FraktuRe on March 07, 2009, 09:04:34 am
or doral and simon, it's not like they have anything else to do.

The final episode is 3 hours long, split into a one hour ep next week, and the final 2 hours the week after.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: karajorma on March 07, 2009, 09:32:56 am
With the resurrection hub down any skinjob who dies is gone forever. I can't imagine you'll have fun finding volunteers. :D With the new centurions you face the problem that they're pretty thick. The old ones could think for themselves but I doubt that Cavil wants the new ones doing that.

So like I said, I wonder which way he went.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: newman on March 07, 2009, 09:51:08 am
Cavil doesn't want the raiders to think for themselves, either. They still have their piloting subroutines intact.. he might have just uploaded a fighter pilot program to the centurions without making them fully self aware - same way they can function as guards/troopers without being too bright :)
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Deckard on March 07, 2009, 01:03:22 pm
The scene Kara posts her own photo on the wall is remarkable, indeed.

And poor Galactica...
anyways... to Galactica!

( And now, another beer to kill this frakking flu and some of Demigod online )
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Cobra on March 07, 2009, 03:55:40 pm
anyways... to Galactica!

So say we all. :D

I'm still not getting what's up with Kara Thrace. Is she a Cylon or an angel as Baltar said?
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: General Battuta on March 07, 2009, 05:57:34 pm
Not a Cylon as we know it.

I think she was reincarnated by Kobol-style resurrection, which I'm guessing worked for non-Cylons.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Cobra on March 07, 2009, 06:05:42 pm
But if that's so how did she get a brand-spanking new Viper with a number and plaque (or whatever the thing on the side is that says who pilots the damn thing) matching the old one?
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: General Battuta on March 07, 2009, 06:17:03 pm
But if that's so how did she get a brand-spanking new Viper with a number and plaque (or whatever the thing on the side is that says who pilots the damn thing) matching the old one?

God.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: newman on March 07, 2009, 07:31:22 pm
But if that's so how did she get a brand-spanking new Viper with a number and plaque (or whatever the thing on the side is that says who pilots the damn thing) matching the old one?

Ewoks.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Blue Lion on March 07, 2009, 07:48:10 pm
The same thing is going to happen to the Galactica.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rainman on March 07, 2009, 09:09:09 pm
Anyone else thought the Cylon base looked kinda.. off? And what was with the 1st war era raiders packed there? Hope their presence had a purpose beyond just a visual effect.

I thought the colony looked strange as hell, and I'm betting on the fact that it can't jump either. The old planes are believable by me, why would he scrap the old ones that came with the colony? The colony is built to suit them, so they could have just kept them in service just like modern armies keep older planes, just because if they were scraped it would be a loss as long as resources aren't short, and for all I know the cylons never had a shortage of tylium or metal. And since they were under constant fear of being attacked by the colonies still, scrapping such fighters would be a significant reduction in the fleet that could compromise defense. Now after the colonies have been wiped out, they can scrap them for new ones though but probably never got to it or are still in the process.

But I'm wondering how they'll take out that massive structure, if that's what they'll end up doing. Considering galactica will "go out in style", I'm thinking it will be great. But how the hell is galactica going to get there, if its more than 12 jumps away?? Galactica is barely in shape for one jump. And the FTL will want to be scavenged for some civilian ship too.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: SpardaSon21 on March 07, 2009, 09:56:12 pm
I really liked the double funeral with different ceremonies for the different religions.  A sign that Baltar's monotheists have gotten fairly powerful.  And sadly, I missed the first half.  I was pissed when I found out Sam Anders had been made into Galactica's hybrid.  How could they do that to the old girl?  And yes, the Galactica will be going out in style.  Or did anyone but me see during the previews for the next episode
Spoiler:
Adama mentions "it will most likely be a one-way trip", and his call for volunteers
?
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: IceFire on March 07, 2009, 11:16:15 pm
I really liked the double funeral with different ceremonies for the different religions.  A sign that Baltar's monotheists have gotten fairly powerful.  And sadly, I missed the first half.  I was pissed when I found out Sam Anders had been made into Galactica's hybrid.  How could they do that to the old girl?  And yes, the Galactica will be going out in style.  Or did anyone but me see during the previews for the next episode
Spoiler:
Adama mentions "it will most likely be a one-way trip", and his call for volunteers
?
Saw that indeed and its very interesting...

I hope the series ends on a positive note.  But I suspect we'll have allot of pain before we get to that point.

I just hope there is a huge space battle...BSG has had some good ones but not in a good amount of time.  During the send out I demand dramatic space battles with Vipers, Raiders, and so forth.  Of course it has to serve the story but you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rainman on March 08, 2009, 01:02:28 am
I really liked the double funeral with different ceremonies for the different religions.  A sign that Baltar's monotheists have gotten fairly powerful.  And sadly, I missed the first half.  I was pissed when I found out Sam Anders had been made into Galactica's hybrid.  How could they do that to the old girl?  And yes, the Galactica will be going out in style.  Or did anyone but me see during the previews for the next episode
Spoiler:
Adama mentions "it will most likely be a one-way trip", and his call for volunteers
?
Saw that indeed and its very interesting...

I hope the series ends on a positive note.  But I suspect we'll have allot of pain before we get to that point.

I just hope there is a huge space battle...BSG has had some good ones but not in a good amount of time.  During the send out I demand dramatic space battles with Vipers, Raiders, and so forth.  Of course it has to serve the story but you know what I mean.

Yea but I've heard him say that before... just watch it be a remake of the end of the battle of New Caprica with galactica getting shot up... but then out of the blue the baseship comes in and crashes into the Cylon Colony and Galactica lives to fight another day. But then again I might expect that from any other show but not BSG. The fact that they decided to end the show here means they care more about the story than about making money out of it, and they won't keep trying to squeeze more money through more seasons and ruin the story just for cash. I can't wait till next episode.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: FraktuRe on March 08, 2009, 07:44:03 am
Also interesting to note

Quote
One of the biggest challenges of Islanded was actually scoring two different versions of it.  In addition to the version you just watched, I also scored an extended version for the DVD release.  Not only are many of the dialog scenes expanded, but there are several scenes that were cut entirely from the show that required substantial original music.  One of these scenes established that Tyrol is now in the brig for his role in Boomer’s escape and kidnapping of Hera.  I was disappointed that this story point was cut from the episode, since Chief’s arc last week was so emotionally powerful.

From http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671#more-1671
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mefustae on March 08, 2009, 10:10:42 am
I just know it's going to end with a kamikaze. It's so cliche, and I want to hate it. But at the same time, I can't wait to see some schweet 'splosions!!
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: newman on March 08, 2009, 03:50:37 pm
Hey, did anyone else barely suppress a laugh when Starbuck said she was no angel? :D
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: General Battuta on March 08, 2009, 03:55:47 pm
Hey, did anyone else barely suppress a laugh when Starbuck said she was no angel? :D

Yes.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: TripRussell8142 on March 08, 2009, 04:09:50 pm
Hey, did anyone else barely suppress a laugh when Starbuck said she was no angel? :D

Yes.

Second.. hehe
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: StarSlayer on March 08, 2009, 05:23:52 pm
I just know it's going to end with a kamikaze. It's so cliche, and I want to hate it. But at the same time, I can't wait to see some schweet 'splosions!!

Could take a page out of Living Legend Part II and leave it a question mark :D  Not that they will but it would pay homage to the original series
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Hellstryker on March 09, 2009, 01:56:12 am
I just know it's going to end with a kamikaze. It's so cliche, and I want to hate it. But at the same time, I can't wait to see some schweet 'splosions!!

Could take a page out of Living Legend Part II and leave it a question mark :D  Not that they will but it would pay homage to the original series

No. Just, no.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: StarSlayer on March 09, 2009, 11:52:09 am
I just know it's going to end with a kamikaze. It's so cliche, and I want to hate it. But at the same time, I can't wait to see some schweet 'splosions!!

Could take a page out of Living Legend Part II and leave it a question mark :D  Not that they will but it would pay homage to the original series

No. Just, no.

Is that a knee jerk reaction to TOS or do you actually object to the idea of a valiant charge into the teeth of her foes with her eventual fate left slightly ambiguous?
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Furyofaseraph on March 09, 2009, 03:52:59 pm
I think the objection is, we've already paid homage to the Cain with the Cain arc. I think that an ambiguous ending would leave us hanging. I think that we need to see a strong, glorious, but unexpected end.

I still think everyone but starbuck will die >.<
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Polpolion on March 09, 2009, 04:47:19 pm
I think that the Galactica should be sent on a suicide mission to the heart of hostile territory and then Alpha 1 would jump in with an SF Dragon and docks with the Cylon colony's fighter bay and destroy it's reactors, creating a subspace cataclysm opening a portal to an Earth where it is a thriving human/cylon planet with lots of cool technology.  :nervous:
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: IceFire on March 09, 2009, 05:42:56 pm
I just know it's going to end with a kamikaze. It's so cliche, and I want to hate it. But at the same time, I can't wait to see some schweet 'splosions!!
Haha...I have to say thats about what I was thinking too.

Maybe it won't be strictly a kamikaze mission but thats probably what it will turn out to be.  Galactica can barely hold it together as it is...a battle will probably finish her win or loose.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: TripRussell8142 on March 09, 2009, 06:35:39 pm
Perhaps, it will be a 1978 "Hand of God" tribute.  Starbuck and Apollo break in the Colony, and set some charges off to give Galactica some advantage, in the fight, then escape on that old raider.  Thus, the Admiral will let loose Galactica's nuclear arsenal.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Hellstryker on March 10, 2009, 05:57:49 am
I think that we need to see a strong, glorious, but unexpected end.

That's what I'm hoping for.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: josh_88 on March 10, 2009, 09:21:56 pm
Galactica is a tough ship as we've seen, but the rate that she is caving in on herself and falling apart, she's not gonna be able to take much of a beating, especially when they are already afraid to jump her because they don't know which one will actually kill her. I'd like to see an epic go out with a bang fight, but assuming cavil has at least two solid baseships in reality that's probably end of fight right at the start.  :shaking:

as bad as they've made the damage out to be I just don't see her having any real fight left in her, and it would be strange to see her make a strong stand last while because it wouldn't fit right. maybe thats just me.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: General Battuta on March 10, 2009, 09:27:56 pm
What bothers me is that they're offloading the munitions and Vipers.

How are we going to have one last crazy space battle without munitions or Vipers?
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Hellstryker on March 10, 2009, 10:13:22 pm
What bothers me is that they're offloading the munitions and Vipers.

How are we going to have one last crazy space battle without munitions or Vipers?

Raiders and baseship?  :nervous:
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: General Battuta on March 10, 2009, 10:28:43 pm
What bothers me is that they're offloading the munitions and Vipers.

How are we going to have one last crazy space battle without munitions or Vipers?

Raiders and baseship?  :nervous:

Right, but they wouldn't commit those to a suicide mission.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Snagger on March 11, 2009, 07:08:28 am


But I'm wondering how they'll take out that massive structure, if that's what they'll end up doing. Considering galactica will "go out in style", I'm thinking it will be great. But how the hell is galactica going to get there, if its more than 12 jumps away?? Galactica is barely in shape for one jump. And the FTL will want to be scavenged for some civilian ship too.
12 jumps by Raptor, is probably less in the Galactica, but now that she has Cylon FTL and a Cylon hybrid to control her, she can probably jump there in very few moves.  There was the comment by one of the engineers that they had maybe as much as 9 jumps left in her... they can get to the Cylon colony, as long as they find out where it is.

As to how they destroy it - anyone want to guess that the new plot device of jumping within a ship or in too close proximity caused the spatial distortions to rip that ship apart?  My guess is that they do a jump right next to a critical system, like reactors or fuel tanks, of the colony.  Either that, or maybe they still have some of the virus from the sick Basestar and satellite from the earlier season?  Maybe there will be a mutiny in the colony against Cavil if the other Cylons find out how they have been played by him just so he could exact revenge on their creators?  Tthe rest of the skin jobs still seem pretty reverent about the five.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Furyofaseraph on March 11, 2009, 09:31:30 am


But I'm wondering how they'll take out that massive structure, if that's what they'll end up doing. Considering galactica will "go out in style", I'm thinking it will be great. But how the hell is galactica going to get there, if its more than 12 jumps away?? Galactica is barely in shape for one jump. And the FTL will want to be scavenged for some civilian ship too.
12 jumps by Raptor, is probably less in the Galactica, but now that she has Cylon FTL and a Cylon hybrid to control her, she can probably jump there in very few moves.  There was the comment by one of the engineers that they had maybe as much as 9 jumps left in her... they can get to the Cylon colony, as long as they find out where it is.

As to how they destroy it - anyone want to guess that the new plot device of jumping within a ship or in too close proximity caused the spatial distortions to rip that ship apart?  My guess is that they do a jump right next to a critical system, like reactors or fuel tanks, of the colony.  Either that, or maybe they still have some of the virus from the sick Basestar and satellite from the earlier season?  Maybe there will be a mutiny in the colony against Cavil if the other Cylons find out how they have been played by him just so he could exact revenge on their creators?  Tthe rest of the skin jobs still seem pretty reverent about the five.

I thought it was 5.
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: redsniper on March 11, 2009, 12:29:09 pm
1. Get everyone off Galactica except Anders.
2. Jump Galactica inside the Big Bad.
3. Fire all nukes.
4. ??????
5. Profit
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fish on March 11, 2009, 03:37:04 pm
None of these plans address how to recover Hera...
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Flipside on March 11, 2009, 03:55:46 pm
Always said I suspected the Galactica would end its says flying up Cavills' nose, still have that suspicion. Also, I suspect Roslyn, and possibly Adama won't make it, since Roslyn isn't supposed to make it according to the scrolls.

Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grizzly on March 12, 2009, 05:43:11 am
Always said I suspected the Galactica would end its says flying up Cavills' nose, still have that suspicion. Also, I suspect Roslyn, and possibly Adama won't make it, since Roslyn isn't supposed to make it according to the scrolls.

The scrolls speak of a dying leader.
The scrolls speak of a leader which will never make it to the promised land.

What if a translation error or something cropped up somewhere and the dying leader and the leader which will not make it to the promised land are something completely different?

Another thing to consider is that thanks to Hera, the endless cycle (All of this has happened before, and it will happen again) has been broken...
Title: Re: Ep. 420 "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" Discussion (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kosh on March 12, 2009, 05:50:14 am
I think we can expect Galactica to light up its nukes, that's for sure. One thing that annoyed me about the previous episodes was the rebel Cylons seemed so eager to just run away and make a go of it themselves (they nearly got wiped out doing it that way). Glad to see they have finally made up their minds.