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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: Anf23 on March 30, 2009, 01:32:03 pm
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In the finale you can see an old style Battlestar in the Museum, just behind the old basestar when the camera pans over the raptors. about 20 minutes in i think.
Since its now canon, any chance you could throw in an old style Battlestar in one of the later releases?? ive always loved the oldie :)
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If you dress up in robes, then maybe they'll consider it.
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Old-style battlestar? Like Galactica, you mean?
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Like the original series Galactica.
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I don't think Diaspora would include an original series Galactica in the main campaign. They may create it for one of the last releases as "alternate" version players could use thanks to a .tbm or something. That would work only if the old and the new battlestars have the same turret and subsystem configurations.
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My guess is that those Battlestars are one of the models the colonials started the war with. Having them appear in a first-cylon-war-era campaign would be neat, but that's wayyyy off into the future, I guess.
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I don't think Diaspora would include an original series Galactica in the main campaign. They may create it for one of the last releases as "alternate" version players could use thanks to a .tbm or something. That would work only if the old and the new battlestars have the same turret and subsystem configurations.
Why? Basestars don't have the same turret and subsystem config as a Battlestar, and the Pegasus, Galactica, Bolitho and other Battlestar that the devs are making will have different systems. Surely the TOS Battlestar would be a completely new model with its own command coding, just lke all the other craft in the game, and so would not have to be restricted in the way to suggest?
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It would be. I haven't got the faintest clue what Mobius is on about.
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Why? Basestars don't have the same turret and subsystem config as a Battlestar, and the Pegasus, Galactica, Bolitho and other Battlestar that the devs are making will have different systems. Surely the TOS Battlestar would be a completely new model with its own command coding, just lke all the other craft in the game, and so would not have to be restricted in the way to suggest?
Basestars? I was talking about the Galactica seen in 1978 compared to the one seen in 2003+.
My guess is that those Battlestars are one of the models the colonials started the war with. Having them appear in a first-cylon-war-era campaign would be neat, but that's wayyyy off into the future, I guess.
The Reimagined series' Galactica took part in that war so I doubt there'd be more primitive Battlestar versions with it.
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The Reimagined series' Galactica took part in that war so I doubt there'd be more primitive Battlestar versions with it.
That's why I said "one of the models". I do believe that there was a model of Battlestar before the Columbia-Class(?), and why not make it look like the old-style Galactica? Or maybe it fulfilled a different tactical role? The colonials don't seem to be in the habit of throwing away working hardware, and I would expect the pre-first war fleet to be made up of more than just one class of ship. In a way, maybe these ships are to the reimagined Galactica what the Galactica was to the Pegasus?
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Y'know, I think back in the miniseries Doral said that Galactica was one of the twelve original battlestars built to represent the 12 Colonies.
So I think we can nix the idea of earlier battlestar designs.
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Yeah, Doral said that. The Galactica represented Caprica.
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*Applies forehead dramatically to desk* Damn. I fail at remembering. What about this, then: During the war, I assume that the colonials didn't stop at building 12 Battlestars, and since the old-style Galactica seems to be a simpler design when compared to the Columbia (no retractable pods, for one), it is probably faster to build. Less capable, maybe, but still capable enough to get a wing of fighters where they need to be.
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Why not stop at 12?
They had combat capable cap ships besides Battlestars, and the Cylons didn't have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Baseships which could PWN Colonial ships.
If Galactica could hold its own against Baseships in BSG, imagine how it handled ones from half a century before.
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Why not stop at 12?
They had combat capable cap ships besides Battlestars, and the Cylons didn't have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Baseships which could PWN Colonial ships.
If Galactica could hold its own against Baseships in BSG, imagine how it handled ones from half a century before.
Columbia didn't exactly eat up the opposition.
And, y'know, Galactica never could hold its own against modern-day base ships for more than a few minutes.
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Why? Basestars don't have the same turret and subsystem config as a Battlestar, and the Pegasus, Galactica, Bolitho and other Battlestar that the devs are making will have different systems. Surely the TOS Battlestar would be a completely new model with its own command coding, just lke all the other craft in the game, and so would not have to be restricted in the way to suggest?
Basestars? I was talking about the Galactica seen in 1978 compared to the one seen in 2003+.
My guess is that those Battlestars are one of the models the colonials started the war with. Having them appear in a first-cylon-war-era campaign would be neat, but that's wayyyy off into the future, I guess.
The Reimagined series' Galactica took part in that war so I doubt there'd be more primitive Battlestar versions with it.
Firstly, you came up with a bizzare arguement that the devs couldn't have TOS and TNS style Galacticas in the game because of the different turrets and subsystems. My point was quite clear in stating that since Basestars dont't share the same turrets and subsystems as the Galactica model, and nor do the Pegasus, Valk or other ships in the game, and that each has its own coding setup, then there is no technical reason that TOS Galactica couldn't be included. Why you continue to argue is a mystery, given Kajorma's answer on the matter.
As for other models of Battlestars being in the TNS original war, why are you so sure there was only one model? Why are you so sure there were only 12 Battlestars, too? Just becoase one Battlestar was chosen to represent each colony, it doesn't follow that there were only twelve ships, and there has been nothing to suggest that they were all of the same class, just like there are several different classes of ships in any navy. If there was a model of TNS Battlestar, that can be taken as conon that such Battlestars served alongside Galactica and Columbia during the Cylon War.
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Columbia didn't exactly eat up the opposition.
And, y'know, Galactica never could hold its own against modern-day base ships for more than a few minutes.
Yeah, but that only applies to the Galactica in the series, meaning in an environment where she can't get into a dockyard for repairs, is partially disarmored and (maybe) has to operate without the full load of ammunition she carried during the first war (not to mention, being 50 years old and being subject to material fatigue). That said, since the cylons built their basestars to take on the colonials best, it wouldn't surprise me if even under optimum conditions Galactica didn't stand a chance against a modern Basestar.
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Why not stop at 12?
They had combat capable cap ships besides Battlestars, and the Cylons didn't have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Baseships which could PWN Colonial ships.
If Galactica could hold its own against Baseships in BSG, imagine how it handled ones from half a century before.
Because when you're fighting for the survival of your race, you don't do it with the minimum resources available to you - you make as many weapons as you can and you put everything your society can muster into the fight. While the Cylons may not have had millions of Basestars, they certainly had dozens, and while any were serviceable, you want to outnumber and outgun them significantly, given the results if you lost.
Not senior brass material, are you? You do strike me as being suitable for politics though, with that lack of basic grasp on reality.
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Columbia didn't exactly eat up the opposition.
And, y'know, Galactica never could hold its own against modern-day base ships for more than a few minutes.
Yeah, but that only applies to the Galactica in the series, meaning in an environment where she can't get into a dockyard for repairs, is partially disarmored and (maybe) has to operate without the full load of ammunition she carried during the first war (not to mention, being 50 years old and being subject to material fatigue). That said, since the cylons built their basestars to take on the colonials best, it wouldn't surprise me if even under optimum conditions Galactica didn't stand a chance against a modern Basestar.
In the mini series, Galactica had not been stipped of any armour. It's an old argument that has repeatedly been put to bed. Furthermore, as was previously posted, and quoted by you, the Columbia, of identical design and construction, was destroyed in a fight of four Battlestars to four Basestars, with no Basestars appearing in that scene to have been damaged, nevermind destroyed. I got the impession all the way through the series, both TOS and TNS, that Basestars had always been more powerful than Battlestars, which is even more reason to try to outnumber them.
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In the mini series, Galactica had not been stipped of any armour. It's an old argument that has repeatedly been put to bed. Furthermore, as was previously posted, and quoted by you, the Columbia, of identical design and construction, was destroyed in a fight of four Battlestars to four Basestars, with no Basestars appearing in that scene to have been damaged, nevermind destroyed. I got the impession all the way through the series, both TOS and TNS, that Basestars had always been more powerful than Battlestars, which is even more reason to try to outnumber them.
First of all, since this is massively off-topic now, may I request a split?
Second, could I have link to an explanation for the not-disarmored thing? When watching the Flashback scenes in Razor, it seemed to me as if Columbia was more heavily armored, at least on her front, than Galactica. And, yeah, Basestars do seem to be that powerful.
Third: Snagger, calm down. It's April fools, and some script randomly messes with anyones posts. Try reloading the page. Besides, how would Locutus fool with anyones posts, except his own? He is neither a Moderator nor an Admin.
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Firstly, your mom came up with a bizzare arguement that the devs couldn't have TOS and TNS style Galacticas in the game because of the different turrets and subsystems. My point was quite clear in stating that since Basestars dont't share the same turrets and subsystems as the Galactica model, and nor do the Pegasus, Valk or other ships in the game, and that each has its own coding setup, then there is no technical reason that TOS Galactica couldn't be included. Why your mom continue to argue is a mystery, given Kajorma's answer on the matter.
As for other models of Battlestars being in the TNS original war, why are your mom so sure there was only one model? Why are your mom so sure there were only 12 Battlestars, too? Just becoase one Battlestar was chosen to represent each colony, it doesn't follow that there were only twelve ships, and there has been nothing to suggest that they were all of the same class, just like there are several different classes of ships in any navy. If there was a model of TNS Battlestar, that can be taken as conon that such Battlestars served alongside Galactica and Columbia during the Cylon War.
Dude...
1) I was discussing under a turret handling point of view. If your mom're supposed to destroy a turret the alternate model doesn't have, the mission won't progress. Do your mom understand?
Also, I fail to understand why your mom keep mentioning the Basestar even if I'm discussing Battlestars, only.
2) I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at the beginning that there were only 12 Battlestars. Please note that until the beginning of the Cylon War the colonials weren't supposed to engage in any battle, I guess. They started building a Battlestar fleet either during or after the Cylon War.
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First of all, since this is massively off-topic now, may I request a split?
Second, could I have link to an explanation for the not-disarmored thing? When watching the Flashback scenes in Razor, it seemed to me as if Columbia was more heavily armored, at least on her front, than Galactica. And, yeah, Basestars do seem to be that powerful.
Third: Snagger, calm down. It's April fools, and some script randomly messes with anyones posts. Try reloading the page. Besides, how would Locutus fool with anyones posts, except his own? He is neither a Moderator nor an Admin.
OK, I've never seen that happen on posts on any forum before, so didn't know it could happen as a 1st Apr thing. All I have seen is one guy get stiffed with the big loud "you're an idiot" smiley every time he posted on a forum, and it was another member that did it to him (he desrved it at the time, but it wasn't an admin or mod who did it). Sorry for a false accusation, in that case - I retract with apologies it if it is so. I still don't understand why only my posts are affected.
As for the armour issue, it was a long running discussion on BTRL, eventuaqlly settled by some of the Zoic designers themselves.
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Dude...
1) I was discussing under a turret handling point of view. If your mom's mom're supposed to destroy a turret the alternate model doesn't have, the mission won't progress. Do your mom's mom understand?
Also, I fail to understand why your mom's mom keep mentioning the Basestar even if I'm discussing Battlestars, only.
2) I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at the beginning that there were only 12 Battlestars. Please note that until the beginning of the Cylon War the colonials weren't supposed to engage in any battle, I guess. They started building a Battlestar fleet either during or after the Cylon War.
Well, but you are supposing that if such a model were made, it would (potentially) be used as a replacement for the new Galactica in Diaspora-era missions. I'd like to believe that the soon-to-be-existing Diaspora modding community will be a bit more creative than that. After all, since the old Galactica has been retconned into the new series by way of a museum exhibit, it wouldn't be really appropriate to use it in anything other than a First-War-era campaign (IMHO, of course).
I still don't understand why only my posts are affected.
Everyones affected by the you/your -> you/your thing. And then there's a script running around, randomly assigning a pregnancy message to posts. However, the actual post can be seen by reloading the page. It's not just you.
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Dude...
1) I was discussing under a turret handling point of view. If your mom's mom're supposed to destroy a turret the alternate model doesn't have, the mission won't progress. Do your mom's mom understand?
Also, I fail to understand why your mom's mom keep mentioning the Basestar even if I'm discussing Battlestars, only.
2) I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at the beginning that there were only 12 Battlestars. Please note that until the beginning of the Cylon War the colonials weren't supposed to engage in any battle, I guess. They started building a Battlestar fleet either during or after the Cylon War.
1) I understand that entirely, but given that the models would be written into the missions as script, not a switchable option, how do they differ from any other model and objective?
2) I mention Basestar models because I'm trying to make the point that the game can differentiate between Galactica and a Basestar, or any other model, without getting hung up on turrets and systems because the game knows what ship model is being dealt with. I don't understand why you think it would be any different with another Battlestar model.
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Well, but you are supposing that if such a model were made, it would (potentially) be used as a replacement for the new Galactica in Diaspora-era missions. I'd like to believe that the soon-to-be-existing Diaspora modding community will be a bit more creative than that. After all, since the old Galactica has been retconned into the new series by way of a museum exhibit, it wouldn't be really appropriate to use it in anything other than a First-War-era campaign (IMHO, of course).
I doubt the Diaspora team will be designing a First War era campaign using stuff from the 78 series...
1) I understand that entirely, but given that the models would be written into the missions as script, not a switchable option, how do they differ from any other model and objective?
As I said, it's unlikely that there will be a campaign based on them. The'd work only as alternate versions of the current models. That's why compatibility problems may occur.
2) I mention Basestar models because I'm trying to make the point that the game can differentiate between Galactica and a Basestar, or any other model, without getting hung up on turrets and systems because the game knows what ship model is being dealt with. I don't understand why you think it would be any different with another Battlestar model.
Looks like you didn't get my point, then. Read above.
Lastly, since I'm not a Diaspora team member, I don't know if an old style Galactica will ever be modelled. Hence, discussing the subject would lead to nothing.
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I doubt the Diaspora team will be designing a First War era campaign using stuff from the 78 series...
Mod, anyone? Sooner or later, something like that would be unavoidable, really.
1) I understand that entirely, but given that the models would be written into the missions as script, not a switchable option, how do they differ from any other model and objective?
As I said, it's unlikely that there will be a campaign based on them. The'd work only as alternate versions of the current models. That's why compatibility problems may occur.
Why? Are all the slots in Diasporas ships.tbl used? Again, you're thinking of someone wanting to simply switch out the Columbia-class for the old Galactica, which I think is somewhat unlikely. If someone were to do it, then yes, you'd be correct.
Again, split please?
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Gah.
Okay, my opinion on the matter (and I haven't consulted the rest of the team) is that the TOS Galactica is not canon to the BSG universe in the same way that the NCC-1701 and Serenity aren't. They were added as in-jokes, nothing more. The TOS Galactica does not fit into the story we've been told so far, attempting to shoehorn it in would be silly and would undermine the history that has been laid out in the show as well as constantly slapping the user in the face with a feeling it shouldn't be there.
The TOS Viper, Raider and Basestar on the other hand have also all been seen in the show and even before they appeared there was no reason they couldn't be canon. So we definitely will be adding all of them to Diaspora sooner or later, although they're going to be the versions we saw in nBSG, not TOS (Unless we get really bored and do both).
That being said, if someone (Either on the team or a 3rd party) wants to build us a sufficiently good enough version of the TOS Galactica I've got no problem with bundling it with the download. Given that virtually all of the RTF have very similar counterparts in TOS it would allow people to make TOS missions with only a few added weapon effects and the like. It's not at all a priority but it's certainly something I wouldn't complain about having if it was offered.
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Jebus, what the hell did i start!! :blah:
*dons robes as per Locutuses suggestion*
I always had a thought, and this is just me here, that the re-imagined Galactica looks a tad like a refit of TOS galactica, of course the overall shape was supposed to be a nod to the original but if you look at the engines on her they have a lot of similarity, like the two oval looking structures on the sides, also on the underbelly there is a circular shape that looks like it was lifted straight from the original. now with the fact it is in the museum and as General Battuta said there where originally only 12 battlestars built originally Galactica being one of them this adds a bit more evidence to this being the case. Maybe TNS galactica was the same class as the original but just had a 1701 style refit during the first war to give her a bit more beef!! just my two cents
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I like TOS, i grew up with it, but everything in its own box. It's like Star Trek's TOS Enterprise is a nice enough ship, but it would look totally out of place next to the later era stuff.
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Agree with tos enterprise not quite fitting in but look at the colonial defender, shes basicly a stunted OS Galactica with two engines, ive got TOS series Galactica TNS series Galactica and the Pegasus titanium models sitting pride of place on my mantelpiece and i have to say they make a damn fine lil fleet!!
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Well, the new show uses the old series designs as war era relics often - look at the mkI shuttle docking at the armistice station, for instance. They took the shuttle from the original, called it mkI and made an mkII as it's successor. Since the TOS galactica was seen at the museum, who's to say it wasn't a predating class to the Columbia? Yeah they said Galactica represented Caprica - but the colonials probably did build battlestars before the war, and this class may have been in service then. If so, it can be speculated that the old galactica style ships proved inadequate in the beginning of the war, a large number was lost in service and the whole class was subsequently replaced with the more capable Columbia class. All we'd need is a new name for the old style galactica class. It might have even been possible that the Columbia class Galactica wasn't the first Galactica - what if the old one was of the TOS class, then lost in service or decomissioned, and the new one came in it's place? Worked for the 1701.. :)
Now this is all idle speculation of course, but it might be cool to do something along those lines if we ever decide to create a 1st Cylon war campaign - but don't expect that to happen anytime soon.
Mobius: I don't get your "compatibility" problems. If we decide to have it ingame we can simply have it as a separate ship class - much like we'd add any RTF ship (or any other ship for that matter). Nobody's suggesting we actually replace the classes. At any rate, if this happens, it's not happening soon, so sit back, relax, and wait for R1 :)
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You all seem to be forgetting that the new pegasus was created as a homage to the original tos battlestar.
As far as I'm concerned, the TOS Galactica has no place whatsoever in the newBSG era. Galactica, the 'first of her kind' and one of the original 12 battlestars.
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Galactica, the 'first of her kind' and one of the original 12 battlestars.
That's a point - some people keep refering to the TNS Galactica as Columbia Class. That was TOS. In TNS, I think she was the lead ship, which is backed up by many of the schematic drawings used on the various CIC tables, which are labelled "Galactica Class". The other three ships in her strike group in Razor look the same, but I think Coumbia was not the lead vessel in this series.
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You all seem to be forgetting that the new pegasus was created as a homage to the original tos battlestar.
As far as I'm concerned, the TOS Galactica has no place whatsoever in the newBSG era. Galactica, the 'first of her kind' and one of the original 12 battlestars.
Nobody's forgetting anything. Homage doesn't preclude the existence of a class (which may not necessarily be used as a "main" type battlestar at all in the TNS universe).
And Galactica was never said to be the first of her kind - the exact words were "last of her kind still in service" - not exactly the same thing. Story-wise, the TOS class could be incorporated if we chose to do it. The bigger issue is that it doesn't fit the nBSG universe visually so well - especially those internally mounted engines kinda kill it for me. Just don't see it flying beside any of the newer designs. Of course it could be said it's an old war era class, but.. dunno. We'll just have to wait and see I guess. But my point still stands - there is no direct proof that nBSG class is the first type of battlestar ever built.
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Thing is, if you are going to follow things to the letter, then the original Galactica was a lightly defended carrier, not a Warship, it had point defences based on the same sort of cannons that the old style raiders used, no flak, and limited anti-cap weaponry. That was one thing I always noticed about the series, the Cylons didn't fear the Galactica itself, they feared its Viper-compliment.
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The TOS Galactica would have some missile batteries as well (the original Hand of God comes to mind), but her point defenses would probably be similar to those on the original Basestars (probably a scaled down version of some of the guns seen on The Colony).
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And, obviously, you have to take into account the limitations of the visual effects involved, which probably means that the TOS Galactica probably isn't nearly as shooty as the producers would have liked, but that's why it's best to keep thing in their own era, if you bring the original in, you'd have to 'Modernise' it, which would lead to all kinds of arguments, not the least of which is that this kind of the point of the new Galactica ;)
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If someone really wants it, just make sure it doesn't come pewpewing with lasers.
Lasers in BSG = :no:
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Basically, if you do a good job of writing it in and justifying it, then it will be good, and if not it will be bad. Just like anything else.
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Columbia didn't exactly eat up the opposition.
And, y'know, Galactica never could hold its own against modern-day base ships for more than a few minutes.
Yeah, but that only applies to the Galactica in the series, meaning in an environment where she can't get into a dockyard for repairs, is partially disarmored and (maybe) has to operate without the full load of ammunition she carried during the first war (not to mention, being 50 years old and being subject to material fatigue). That said, since the cylons built their basestars to take on the colonials best, it wouldn't surprise me if even under optimum conditions Galactica didn't stand a chance against a modern Basestar.
It still didn't have the firepower to take one down. Hold off, yes, but certainly not destroy it.
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Galactica, the 'first of her kind' and one of the original 12 battlestars.
That's a point - some people keep refering to the TNS Galactica as Columbia Class. That was TOS. In TNS, I think she was the lead ship, which is backed up by many of the schematic drawings used on the various CIC tables, which are labelled "Galactica Class". The other three ships in her strike group in Razor look the same, but I think Coumbia was not the lead vessel in this series.
I don't think it states at any point that she was the first of her kind. There isn't an official name for the class of battlestar she is. In the beginning, Doral only says she's the "last of her kind still in service" at the time of the fall. I suppose the OS battlestar's role in TNS could've been as a pre-war non ship that didn't last long against the Cylons during their original revolt, hence the production of the original twelve battlestars.
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Before worrying about the original Galactica, bring on the original Raider, Razor style! They're still flying at the time Shattered Armistice is taking place (though not on the front lines I suppose) and the Cylons could use a little variety in ship selection, something that's a match for the Mark 2. And they're freaking sweet ;7
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That's not an issue. :) The Razor Raider is several orders of magnitude up the scale.
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For all we know the plaque next to the model could've said:
"The display in front of you is a physical mock-up of one of the many rejected initial designs for what would eventually become the ship you now find yourself aboard. While clearly recognisable as a battlestar, this design featured many important differences from Galactica. Chief among these was the inclusion of advanced energy-based weaponry.
The design failed to meet the approval of the relevant government offices when it was revealed that the technology for these devices did not actually exist."
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For all we know the plaque next to the model could've said:
"The display in front of you is a physical mock-up of one of the many rejected initial designs for what would eventually become the ship you now find yourself aboard. While clearly recognisable as a battlestar, this design featured many important differences from Galactica. Chief among these was the inclusion of advanced energy-based weaponry.
The design failed to meet the approval of the relevant government offices when it was revealed that the technology for these devices did not actually exist."
That is a good explanation. A snapshot of that scene, posted at wiki, showed an incomplete design of TOS Galactica.
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The Galactica was, IIRC, stated as being one of the original. They built one for each colony, and expanded throughout and after the war.
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I am almost certain I remember Roslin saying the galactica was the first of her kind.
I believe it was in one of those special recap clips they put together.
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You biggest problems with the idea of incorporation of TOS elements is that you shouldn't go beyond things established in the 4-5 seasons of TNS.
You know why, cause I could give you TOS explanations, and descriptions/roles of ships fighters that contradict or do not mesh with TNS that's why.
They are Canon and in universe, but NOT TNS universe, and thus beyond the scope of Diaspora.
Note I am not a team member, just giving you some logical information.
As to why a TOS Battlestar is usually less powerful than a base ship, it's because the Cylons Baseship has more guns than a Battlestar and can focus more of them at a time in a firing arc. Not to mention the pulsar cannons are longer range (top and bottom of Saucers).
The Galactica was only able to take out base ship by sending a raider using strike team to blow up their computer center and blind them. Thus able to get in range, they were almost equal as, Galactica was now toe to toe versus the usually longer range weapons of the Cylons. Plus IIRC they had more armor for total area. Not sure on that though.
Pegasus (Same Columbia class as Galactica) had port and starboard ICBM anti-ship (and presumably anti-planet targeting). by disregarding safety Cain plunged right between two baseships scaring Baltar away in a third one fallign back.
Starbuck and Apollo helped by taking out turrets of the Baseships in those arcs facing Pegasus and before they could rotate the ships to bring fresh turrets to bear it was over. Cain spam launched his ICBMS and also presumably jumped away just before impact. At point blank, no miss or intercept range, those nukes were ship killers...
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We're not really talking about TOS anymore. And the Columbia was the first, not Galactica; hence the "Columbia" class Battlestar.
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^That only applies to TOS.
It's just speculation in TNS.
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My apologies.
Many fans believe Galactica to be a Columbia class battlestar. However, this is not supported by official sources, in neither the Original nor the Re-imagined Series. For the battlestar type Galactica belongs to, see Galactica type battlestar.
Still think it's a good name, after all Diaspora isn't BtRL, they aren't sticking strictly to canon.
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Still think it's a good name, after all Diaspora isn't BtRL, they aren't sticking strictly to canon.
Where ever did you get that idea from?
While Diaspora will be doing plenty of the "Filling in the blanks" kind of gameplay so did BtRL. You only need look at the BtRL demo for an example of that. Remember that both the Theseus and Bolitho were originally designed before the split too.
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Edit: kara beat me to it by a few secs, so I'm editing out the first part of the post, dealing with the wrong assumption that BtRL was strictly canon.
As for the TOS galactica - obviously it can't make a comeback as the same class as the Galactica. But if you look better you'll see that every TOS ship that reappeared in TNS was altered at least slightly. The mkI shuttle, the TOS raider we first saw in Razor, the TOS baseship.. all similar but none of them are identical to the TOS versions - some have been altered more, others less. The point is, they used the redesigned TOS ships in a different story - this time they're relics of the first war - as a nod to the first series, as it were. If the TOS Galactica was to make a comeback in Diaspora, it certainly wouldn't be as the Galactica, but maybe the design could be used (maybe altered slightly, if nothing at least the weapons would need to be changed) as a different 1st war class.. as a kind of a homage to the original show.
However right now we don't have any plans regarding this, so arguing whether or not we'll do it is kind of pointless, especially since we don't know yet ourselves.
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Still think it's a good name, after all Diaspora isn't BtRL, they aren't sticking strictly to canon.
Where ever did you get that idea from?
While Diaspora will be doing plenty of the "Filling in the blanks" kind of gameplay so did BtRL. You only need look at the BtRL demo for an example of that. Remember that both the Theseus and Bolitho were originally designed before the split too.
Really? I thought I remembered hearing that Diaspora would use more creative license.
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We have no intention of contradicting the show except in a few cases where gameplay would suffer heavily as a result (for instance making fighters less resilient).
I think the idea that we were going to be less canon came from the fans after we decided to make our 1st release about the Theseus rather than a canon storyline. But that's more due to which models we had available than because of any desire to be less canon than BtRL.
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When we stated creative differences as the reason of the split some people assumed that it was over staying canon or not - in actuality that had nothing to with it (besides arguing enough to split a team over whether to use non canon ships or not would be too silly and nerdy even for us :D). Creative differences can mean more then one thing - that's all I'll say on that matter. But both Diaspora and BtRL have plans (at least I assume BtRL still does as well) on using non-canon ships: why do you think our concept artist, StarSlayer, was once a member of the BtRL team as well? :)
As for Diaspora, when we're using canon ships, we're striving to make them as accurate as possible, and when doing non-canon ones we try to make them fit the universe seamlessly, so they look like they could have been used in the show. When I was over in BtRL, it basically had a very similar approach regarding this; whether or not that has changed since I left, I couldn't say.
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Prior to the split of BTRL and there were something on the order of sixty plus non canon designs put together for everything from stations to fighters. Not that they were all going be modeled and make it in game but it should give you a indication of BTRL's commitment to fleshing out a complete universe. Granted Diaspora earned the exclusive rights to those units after the break up, and I can't give you a qualified answer to their current non canon policy but the split had nothing to due with such content.
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I don't mean less-canon as in contradicting, I mean as in off-the-beaten-path.
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I don't mean less-canon as in contradicting, I mean as in off-the-beaten-path.
Re-read the last two posts.
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I don't mean less-canon as in contradicting, I mean as in off-the-beaten-path.
We're not staying off the beaten path. We're simply taking a short cut to the end of it and then walking back down the beaten path afterwards. :p
The idea is to make the missions that are based on stuff that wasn't seen in the show while we build up the fleet to the point where we can make those seen in the show. Making the missions seen in the show require a lot more finished assets than we currently have.
But BtRL had it's own fair share of off the beaten path too.
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Oh yeah, I understand now, I guess I misheard earlier.
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We're going to have a few great missions that tell us a bit more about what happened after the armistice. And from my own own personal point of view, I'd much rather play a story I didn't already know, and on Diaspora we get to play it quicker than we would have done. Brilliant.
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Hey guys,
Obviously this isn't canon, but its interesting to note that several costumers have created a set of different battlestar patches. One of them, which i have actually ordered, was for the Battlestar Atlantia BSG-01. Obviously this just means that its part of Battlestar Group One, and not say the first battlestar, however its still an interesting thing.
I wonder if the OS Galactica (though it needs an update in design, just as other homage vessels in the new series) could have been the first battlestar commissioned, Atlantia. Later on you have the Columbia (which is her own class) and the Galactica as a member of the Columbia-class. There's nothing to say that the Galactica was the first battlestar, but rather just the last battlestar in service at the time of the miniseries.
I offer two image for consumption
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/Old_Battlestar.png)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/Old_Battlestar2.png)
Personally, I'd go for the second one, or a middleground between the two.
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First of all, the BSG isn't 500m. Second of all, you may have a point with the "First of your kind" thing, but it's up to the devs.
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Where do you see 500 meters?
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He misread the scale bar, like I did when looking at it for only 2 seconds initially.
(It says '500 feet', which he misread as metres, and which actually refers to the length of the scale bar, not the ship. The ship is several times longer than the scale bar, which doesn't disagree quite so wildly with the 'official' length figures bandied about.)
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I'd suggest going with lvlshot tags next time. The image will then auto scale to fit your window with the option to resize if they see fit, thus removing the need for viewers to curse both your houses when the picture blows out their frame.
Like So:
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/Old_Battlestar.png)
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Didn't even know that existed. Thanks :-)
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First of all, the BSG isn't 500m. Second of all, you may have a point with the "First of your kind" thing, but it's up to the devs.
Maybe you need to look at the scale again before you make a comment .It says 500 feet 152 meters
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I'll clarify for those who haven't attended the school for ants who can't read good: The 500ft 152 meters is what the length of the scale bar is, the little bar above the "Approx. 500 Feet/152 meters", that's how long that bar is. See it's even cut into 5 equal lengths.
Can everyone please stop arguing over this, it causes one's epidermis to show.