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Title: 2009-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 15, 2009, 02:58:46 pm
Since almost the day we went live with this project we've been telling you that the game would include a battlestar in R1. Since then we've played our cards very close to our chests on what it would look like. Time to finally show 'em. :)

This is the concept as drawn by Starslayer.

(http://diaspora.hard-light.net/images/wip/wip_theseus_001.png)

and this is what Meleardil has done with it.

(http://diaspora.hard-light.net/images/wip/wip_theseus_002.png)
(http://diaspora.hard-light.net/images/wip/wip_theseus_003.png)


The Theseus will be your home base for Shattered Armistice, the long promised R1. Like many other Sobek-class battlestars, it is a veteran of the 1st Cylon War. At just over a kilometre in length the Sobek-class is much smaller than the Galactica. Despite its size however it does pack quite a punch. Although not a match for a modern Cylon basestar it was certainly able to deal with those of its day.

Okay, now for the questions.

1) Can we launch from the tubes. - We're working on that. Hopefully.
2) Can we combat land on the pods. - Again, working on it.
3) Will the nuke tubes open? - Yes.
4) Will the guns rise up out of their resting positions when fighting the enemy? - Probably not in R1. In later releases, most likely. In R1 they'll already be up in their combat positions.
5) How big is it exactly?

Length: 1072 meter + 28 meter the nose antenna array.
Width: 461 meter on the widest point of the pods.
Height: 132 meter from the lowest point of the pods to the highest point of the spine.
Internal height of the pods: higher = 18 meter, lower = 9,5 meter.
Landing length of the pods: 544 meter.
Launchtube length: minimum 91 meter, maximum 97 meter.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Something on April 15, 2009, 03:01:54 pm
Man, that looks amazing and pretty close to the drawing too.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: The E on April 15, 2009, 03:11:51 pm
Ahhh, MY EYES! I've been blinded by overexposure to sheer awesomeness!
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Mobius on April 15, 2009, 03:26:00 pm
I though the Theseus was state of the art, just like the Pegasus...the fact that it is comparable to the Galactica makes everything more interesting.

About the Theseus' class - lol
(someone needs to change the redirect to the GVCv Sobek on the FreeSpace Wiki)

EDIT: Don't Kill Me Please... (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Battlestar_Theseus)  :nervous:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 15, 2009, 04:54:29 pm
Awesome model guys!! :yes:
Can't wait to see it textured.

A couple of questions though:

How many launch tubes has it?
How many Anti-fighter cannons?

Since it's a FCW Veteran, i hope it's pretty rusted ( texture wise )?!?   :nervous:
Or are ya aiming for a more Galactica-ish look?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Meleardil on April 15, 2009, 05:07:57 pm
Rust in space? :) The RTF ships became dirty and rusted on the surface of New Caprica.

It has 40+40 launchtubes. It has 26 big guns and 196 AA railguns. All modelled. Of course the AA guns are grouped in the pof, so there won't be insane number of individual turrets.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 15, 2009, 05:12:59 pm
Since it's a FCW Veteran, i hope it's pretty rusted ( texture wise )?!?   :nervous:
Or are ya aiming for a more Galactica-ish look?

Galactica is older than this ship is. And this one is still in active service.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 15, 2009, 05:37:50 pm
great work guys!  :yes:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: swashmebuckle on April 15, 2009, 06:42:17 pm
She's a beauty.  How many triangles all together?  Can't wait to see her dressed up!
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: peterv on April 15, 2009, 07:18:54 pm
 :yes: :yes: :yes:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 15, 2009, 07:21:26 pm
Tres belle.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: General Battuta on April 15, 2009, 07:34:10 pm
Gorgeous. Best and most distinct fan-made battlestar I've seen.

Sobek-class, though...? Has the BSGverse used Egyptian mythology in any significant way before? I bet a lotta fans are gonna be a bit confused by that.

Something Greco-Roman might be more appropriate.

Then again, I'm sure you've discussed it.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: StarSlayer on April 15, 2009, 08:33:35 pm
Well back in the days of yesteryear before the exodus from genesis Scotchy (Master of the Beast) posted a couple of renders of a head and torso of he had been fiddling with.  Pretty bare bones at the time but I saw in it quite a bit of potential.  I added a powerful engine block, pods and layered her in thick armor resulting in this:

(http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8286/sobekpurdy1ho9.jpg)

She seemed to be a distilled version of the "Alligator on skis" concept of the Battlestar; a long sleek predator.  I could always imagine her rising out of a nebula cloud to snatch up a Basestar like some unsuspecting Zebra.  For me there was no better name then crock god of Egypt. 

Besides Valkyrie and Columbia already break the Greek Pantheon convention :D
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Lt.Cannonfodder on April 15, 2009, 11:28:00 pm
Yea, given that the show already uses greek, roman and norse mythological names, adding egyptian to that list should be no real stretch.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: General Battuta on April 15, 2009, 11:46:21 pm
Mrm...I disagree, but it's no game-breaker for me, so carry on. Beautiful work on the ship.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: boewolf on April 16, 2009, 12:14:10 am
*Rapidly tries to mop up ever growing puddles of drool* 

*blabbers out somehow*  Very nice.  Words los...........
Title: Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Sidestep on April 16, 2009, 02:29:12 am
Wow, guys, that looks truly amazing.

It was definitely worth all those revisions!

And did I spot the upside down hangars like on the Pegasus as well?

Just gets better and better the more I look at it, it's like a rapid response Battlestar  ;)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 16, 2009, 02:43:37 am
And did I spot the upside down hangars like on the Pegasus as well?

Yes. :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Meleardil on April 16, 2009, 02:54:56 am
She seemed to be a distilled version of the "Alligator on skis" concept of the Battlestar; a long sleek predator.  I could always imagine her rising out of a nebula cloud to snatch up a Basestar like some unsuspecting Zebra.  For me there was no better name then crock god of Egypt. 

Inside the team we simply refer to it as the "GatorStar". :) You cant really see the shape of the head on these renders (intentionally). It really looks like an attacking alligator with partially opened jaws.

This is supposed to be a strike carrier with lots of birds and guns to protect them. It is not prepared for direct capital ship combat. This is a smaller and more agile ship than Columbia class. Main reason of it to release a swarm of vipers and strengthen the point defenses against enemy fighters, also doing it as fast as possible. It has better FTL, also smaller, so no need for retracting the pods. There is no real viper maintenance on board. The room was sacrificed for the double pod concept, therefore allowing faster combat landing. There were lots of problems with this ship after it was deployed, because designers changed too many things at once. Some of their ideas was not really welcomed among military people, and was changed later. The most prominent problem with it, Sobek class heavily depends on supplies. It cant operate alone long. It has too many vipers compared to the maintenance capabilities, and also has very high fuel consumption. Those things were radically changed in the later battlestars, resulting at the end those huge and self sustaining beasts as Pegasus is.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 16, 2009, 03:18:13 am
don't seems this ship can recract his hangars for the ftl jump... or i am wrong?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 16, 2009, 03:35:41 am
Mrm...I disagree, but it's no game-breaker for me, so carry on. Beautiful work on the ship.

If you've seen the whole show, including the finale, you'll see that ANY earth mythology is fair game - there is no logical reason why any of them shouldn't be used. Just in case someone hasn't seen the finale, I'll proceed with spoiler tags:

Spoiler:
It's highly unlikely us earthlings came up with identical mythologies all of our own - it's fair to assume that the colonials, after landing, spread around the planet, some possibly using the remaining raptors, spreading their culture as the years passed. And 12 colonies counts for plenty of mythology. After seeing the finale, I'm pretty open to any ancient earth mythology as a source for ship names, since it's originally colonial mythology anyways :)

Torc, you're correct - this one doesn't retract hangars. She's not exactly as old as Galactica - while the Galactica was around for the whole, or most of the 1st Cylon War, the Sobek class entered service near the end of it, and only a few were completed in time to see real action in that war. So while not new like the Mercury class, it's still a newer (and smaller) design then the Galactica, so she doesn't need retractable pods.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 16, 2009, 03:59:19 am
is good the idea to put the main cannons in the pods!  ;7 great and cool look! small but she have all, just like my girlfriend!  :D
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Echelon9 on April 16, 2009, 04:14:08 am
Landing length of the pods: 544 meter.
... and yet it still provides ample opportunity for me to slam my Viper hard onto the deck in some form of spinning, twisting, high-angled escape from pursuing Raiders or missiles.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: General Battuta on April 16, 2009, 09:35:19 am
Mrm...I disagree, but it's no game-breaker for me, so carry on. Beautiful work on the ship.

If you've seen the whole show, including the finale, you'll see that ANY earth mythology is fair game - there is no logical reason why any of them shouldn't be used. Just in case someone hasn't seen the finale, I'll proceed with spoiler tags:

Spoiler:
It's highly unlikely us earthlings came up with identical mythologies all of our own - it's fair to assume that the colonials, after landing, spread around the planet, some possibly using the remaining raptors, spreading their culture as the years passed. And 12 colonies counts for plenty of mythology. After seeing the finale, I'm pretty open to any ancient earth mythology as a source for ship names, since it's originally colonial mythology anyways :)

Torc, you're correct - this one doesn't retract hangars. She's not exactly as old as Galactica - while the Galactica was around for the whole, or most of the 1st Cylon War, the Sobek class entered service near the end of it, and only a few were completed in time to see real action in that war. So while not new like the Mercury class, it's still a newer (and smaller) design then the Galactica, so she doesn't need retractable pods.

Right, right. Makes sense. It doesn't seem parsimonious, but it fits with the canon, so I'll buy it.

Good explanation, by the way.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angreifer on April 16, 2009, 10:23:18 am
Very good looking ship. Allow me, however, to nitpick your fluff for it.  ;7

If this ship entered service towards the end of the Cylon war, why would it be designed to be so dependent on supply lines? Ship designers already had experience with the Columbia class, which is self-sufficient, and they already are well aware of the demands of the war. It would seem to me that any ship designed during the war would be mandated to be self-sufficient. Having to keep this ship close to supply dumps, or having it followed by supply ships, seems like an unnecessary burden and a blatant risk. If the Sobek-class gets cut off, its going to be dead in the water in short order.

Still a good looking ship though, thanks for sharing it with us!
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: The E on April 16, 2009, 10:31:41 am
Well, yeah, but "supply lines" do not exist if you have a FTL drive like BSG (Up to the infamous red line, anyway). I guess ships like these would be used to hit a Target of opportunity, or in a defensive role. These could essentially cover a colony, or several colonies, while operating from a fixed base somewhere. Offensively, they could be deployed to reinforce a strike group centered on a Galactica-class Battlestar for quick strike missions.
So basically, you have Galacticas to find and engage the enemy, and Theseuses (Theseii?) to hold and patrol the Areas you have already conquered, as well as to reinforce a battle group that needs additional firepower for a short-term operation.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 16, 2009, 10:52:47 am
The class name is Sobek. The Theseus is a single ship of that class. :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angreifer on April 16, 2009, 11:10:57 am
I can see where you're coming from, The E. I guess the Sobek-class can be viewed as a pocket carrier? I still feel like it should have at least rudimentary maintenance facilities, however. Maybe it uses new space-reducing interior architecture techniques so it can have a couple of small, basic maintenance bays? Lets face it, birds are gonna get bent in peace time day-to-day operation, let alone war time.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: The E on April 16, 2009, 11:26:15 am
Then I guess it makes sense that the fluff pretty much states outright that the class was considered something of a failure. This would be one of those designs that make sense during wartime, where they can fill a highly specialized role adequately (and, more importantly, free up the more versatile ships for more important roles), but which aren't ideal for peacetime duties. After the war ended, the colonial fleet probably decided that the support intensive ships like the Sobek should be replaced with more versatile ships (like the Valkyrie).

I guess ships like these are perfectly capable of doing minor repairs on their strike craft, but do not possess the manufacturing capabilities of Galactica, meaning that they can't do any major repairs, or produce new ships on their own. Again, it comes down to the operating conditions they were designed for, with support being easily (and securely) reachable at any time.

EDIT: Another thought: The Sobek does seem to be less manpower-intensive than the Galactica, with more emphasis on the shooters, and less slots for mechanics. I guess that the colonial military did have to operate under rather tight manpower constraints, with experienced mechanics/technicians being in high demand. Having a design like the Sobek, which relies on a centralised support structure, would be somewhat logical, as one support crew can support several combat ships.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 16, 2009, 02:14:42 pm
I think this looks sort of like a Valkyrie predecessor, maybe they built the Valkyrie after this one taking design traits from the Columbia as well as the Sobek. (obviously non-canon)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: StarSlayer on April 16, 2009, 02:29:36 pm
Oh no, the Valkyrie isn't much larger then one of Tessie's pods.  Its hard to see from the show but the Valk is extremely small, Tessie while smaller and sleeker then the Galactica is still very much a big warship.  Besides I've already put together a few 1CW era versions of Valkyrie tonnage :D
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angreifer on April 16, 2009, 04:53:36 pm
Oh no, the Valkyrie isn't much larger then one of Tessie's pods.  Its hard to see from the show but the Valk is extremely small, Tessie while smaller and sleeker then the Galactica is still very much a big warship.  Besides I've already put together a few 1CW era versions of Valkyrie tonnage :D

...Tessie, "Nuf Ced" McGreevey shouted
We're not here to mess around
Boston, you know we love you madly
Hear the crowd roar to your sound
Don't blame us if we ever doubt you
You know we couldn't live without you
Tessie, you are the only only only...

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I now need someone to make an alternate skin for the Theseus with the Red Sox logo emblazoned on it.   :D
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Alan Bolte on April 17, 2009, 01:10:22 am
I like the design, but one thing bugs me - if the pods can't retract, why bother with any indentation along the side?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 17, 2009, 02:42:01 am
There is no pod shaped indentation along the side. Imagine the pods retracting and you'll see there's actually no room for them to retract to. It's thinner along the middle, yes, but every battlestar design is - seen the Pegasus lately? :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Alan Bolte on April 17, 2009, 03:46:28 pm
I didn't mean to imply that the indentation was pod sized. It's the same height as the bars which connect the pod to the ship. Pegasus doesn't have that.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Meleardil on April 18, 2009, 01:07:54 am
Yeah...and Pegasus does not have AA railguns...we need to remove them from Galactica. Pegasus does not have retractable pods, those are stupid, and there is no room for the retracting arms in the main hull, therefore that is physically impossible too, we should remove them from Galactica. Galactica has only 2 arms. Therefore the 3rd one on Pegasus is a complete waste of material and must be gone! Shall I go on? :P
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 18, 2009, 03:04:57 am
At the risk of starting a long winded debate.. I don't think the colonials use railguns. It was never mentioned on the show, fans started that one. And things like muzzle flashes and actual bullet casings we saw would suggest a chemical propellant, rather then an electrical one.
I agree with the rest of your post, though :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Baschl on April 18, 2009, 03:58:24 am
At the risk of starting a long winded debate.. I don't think the colonials use railguns.

I hope I can prevent the debate with this one  :rolleyes: : http://www.specialopsent.com/AA_textured_V29_R002_0033.gif
Look at the little writing: "caution - active gauss"
It´s from Paul Ghezzo´s site. So you´re right, there are no railguns  ;)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Meleardil on April 18, 2009, 04:35:27 am
Sorry...my mistake. I remembered this render, and I saw on it that there is no barrel. There are the slugs and an electromagnetic acceleration system, nothing else.

So, those are Gauss guns according to the writings on it.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Devil_orchestra on April 19, 2009, 03:09:49 am
Wow the new bucket on the block.

Looks amazing.

I can't wait to see it in action!

Pew pew!!!111 1 1
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Master_Drow on April 19, 2009, 07:22:07 am
As an engineer I never understood the whole arm connected to the pod idea. For the Galactica with its retracting pods I understood why they used spindly arms. But if the pods don't need to retract then why not make the pods attach directly to the main body? This would allow the pilots to travel more quickly to the pods (right now only a few doors on a 1+ km ship go to the pods). Also if I was the cylon commander I would have my raiders attack (or suicide into) the spindly arms, if destroyed the pods would come off and then the vipers would not be able to land, also how would a ship like the Galactica jump if it was missing a pod? It would throw off the weight completely.

Those are just my observations on the general battlestar design.

On another note. The Theseus looks friken amazing :eek2:. I wish i could model that well, and I use models like this to inspire me to work harder at my modeling. Keep it up, you keep us newby modelers hoping.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 19, 2009, 11:15:40 am
In which Battlestar group is the Theseus?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 19, 2009, 12:11:04 pm
Slayer's sketch states 29, though I suspect that number was made up on the spot :) To be honest I have no idea if we'll stick to that number, though I don't see why not either.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 19, 2009, 01:00:33 pm
Slayer's sketch states 29, though I suspect that number was made up on the spot :) To be honest I have no idea if we'll stick to that number, though I don't see why not either.

Thanks, i use that number then, should be easy enough to change the texture should the team decide to change it.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: StarSlayer on April 19, 2009, 03:17:26 pm
Sobek is Battlestar Group 29 i'm not sure what group Tessie is.

As for the Pod n' Strut arrangement if I were to wager a hypothesis I assume its because the pods are perhaps the most vulnerable part of the ship.  Like a real Bird farm, the pods are probably full of ammo and aviation fuel in a fairly exposed position.  Given that the pods are a potential firebomb they are held out on struts so as to increase the survivability of the ship should one of them have a catastrophic accident..   
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Devil_orchestra on April 19, 2009, 03:32:28 pm
Interesting observation......


I would think they would keep the ammo and fuel tucked away in a safe spot instead of on the pods.... But thats just me.

Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 19, 2009, 04:04:52 pm
Main ammo and fuel storage, sure. But you can't avoid having fuel and ammo present in the pods, not if you want to refuel and rearm your birds anyway. I suspect they'd have smaller storages for both, in which fuel and ammo is transferred as required.
Master_Drow - about the struts that keep the pods in place.. those things are huge and bulky. It would take great amounts of time and firepower to "saw" through all of them to separate the pods from the ship - and I doubt a battlestar and her viper complement would just sit still and let you do that to it :) And with the amount of precisely directed firepower you'd need to spend on doing that, you might have just as well directed it to a more critical area of the ship, something that would cripple or destroy it for good, like punch through to the main tylium fuel lines/tanks, take out the main reactor, or something along those lines.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 19, 2009, 07:50:14 pm
Probably meant to conserve on materials. Remember, they were in the middle of a war.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Meleardil on April 20, 2009, 03:49:31 am
Probably to make it look cool. :P

Peggy looks cool, doesn't she? (Yes) --> End of arguing...

We are talking about make-believe, don't forget.

Does Theseus look cool? (Yes) --> stfu. :D
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 20, 2009, 02:10:59 pm
Probably to make it look cool. :P

Peggy looks cool, doesn't she? (Yes) --> End of arguing...

We are talking about make-believe, don't forget.

Does Theseus look cool? (Yes) --> stfu. :D
Well obviously, kind of hard to read meaning into something in which there never was one.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: ajax-wounds on April 24, 2009, 02:17:51 pm
well that and the arms are a nod to the original layout of the battlestars form the classic series.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 24, 2009, 02:29:27 pm
I'm saying that the designers didn't think about structural integrity and engineering when they made the show, they just thought about coolness.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Meleardil on April 24, 2009, 03:27:21 pm
Exactly...
Talking about coolness. Here is a higher resolution render:
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1695/theseus0901.png)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 24, 2009, 04:26:27 pm
I love you people. Only 26 main guns? (52 if you count barrels). What do the rest look like?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 24, 2009, 04:34:04 pm
I love you people. Only 26 main guns? (52 if you count barrels). What do the rest look like?

click on the pic above, and check the section near ( left and right ) the nameplate, for instance.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 24, 2009, 04:37:28 pm
Oooooohhh...
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 24, 2009, 05:37:36 pm
really good job guys... there's no much more to say... in italian we say...STI CAZZI!!! :lol:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Mobius on April 25, 2009, 08:15:18 am
One question: is the Theseus supposed to be the only Sobek-class Battlestar?

really good job guys... there's no much more to say... in italian we say...STI C***I!!! :lol:

The Power of Censorship... :drevil:

Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 25, 2009, 09:31:16 am
Let's keep it non-vulgar please. In all languages.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 25, 2009, 09:33:14 am
One question: is the Theseus supposed to be the only Sobek-class Battlestar?

Nope.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 25, 2009, 02:40:17 pm
don't worry, is not a vulgar  word  ;)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 25, 2009, 03:50:31 pm
24 missile tubes? That's twice the number on the Columbia. Packs a punch.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 25, 2009, 03:52:28 pm
yeah, the alligator is snappy.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: YIIMM on April 26, 2009, 07:05:14 am
Are the missile tubes conventional, nuclear or both?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 26, 2009, 07:13:32 am
Are the missile tubes conventional, nuclear or both?

I think that tubes are nukes only, since the Theseus seems to utilize the same weapons like Galactica and Pegasus, which can be switched to fire, either Flak or missiles.
There would be no need to have dedicated missile launchers except for nukes, which are much larger then the average missile.

 :nervous:

Or something.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 26, 2009, 07:42:24 am
Are the missile tubes conventional, nuclear or both?

I think that tubes are nukes only, since the Theseus seems to utilize the same weapons like Galactica and Pegasus, which can be switched to fire, either Flak or missiles.
There would be no need to have dedicated missile launchers except for nukes, which are much larger then the average missile.

 :nervous:

Or something.
I thought that the missiles only fired from the forward tubes on the Galactica?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 26, 2009, 07:47:45 am
Are the missile tubes conventional, nuclear or both?

I think that tubes are nukes only, since the Theseus seems to utilize the same weapons like Galactica and Pegasus, which can be switched to fire, either Flak or missiles.
There would be no need to have dedicated missile launchers except for nukes, which are much larger then the average missile.

 :nervous:

Or something.
I thought that the missiles only fired from the forward tubes on the Galactica?

Nope, in the episode "Resurrection Ship" in the scene where Gal and Peg circle around the Basstar, you can see
Gal's dorsal batteries firing missiles.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: YIIMM on April 26, 2009, 09:06:12 am


Nope, in the episode "Resurrection Ship" in the scene where Gal and Peg circle around the Basstar, you can see
Gal's dorsal batteries firing missiles.

I'm skeptical on that one, looking at the trails from the guns in the battle, they all seem fairly linear, i.e. shells with a tracer effect.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Mobius on April 26, 2009, 10:21:48 am
How many Sobek-class Battlestars are in circulation?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 26, 2009, 10:23:23 am
I don't think we have a number set. If you're asking because of the modeled nametag, the final release will have an alphamapped plane for that, so that fred-ers can swap names easily.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Mobius on April 26, 2009, 10:24:42 am
I'm asking for FS Wiki-related reasons... :nervous:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 26, 2009, 10:32:52 am
Putting anything in the wiki at the moment is really premature as we've not released anything yet and reserve the right to change anything about the ship still.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: eps200 on April 26, 2009, 10:47:08 am
Those pods dont look big enugh to house hangars has it be scalled or is it rule of cool
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Mobius on April 26, 2009, 10:49:07 am
Putting anything in the wiki at the moment is really premature as we've not released anything yet and reserve the right to change anything about the ship still.

Good point... :yes:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 26, 2009, 12:26:29 pm
Those pods dont look big enugh to house hangars has it be scalled or is it rule of cool

They are big enough. They simply don't look it.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: KaraBulut on April 28, 2009, 02:24:40 pm
Man I just can't wait for the mod to be released.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 28, 2009, 03:06:01 pm
Even though Brandx0 isn't making the model, eps200 reminded me:

It's not to the correct dimensions seen in the show.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 28, 2009, 03:09:31 pm
Even though Brandx0 isn't making the model, eps200 reminded me:

It's not to the correct dimensions seen in the show.

I suggest you call up RDM and tell him to fix his version then. We were here first. :p
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Angelus on April 28, 2009, 03:13:37 pm
Judging from the size of the launchtubes, the size of the hangar is perfect.
The respective counterparts of Gal and Peg aren't much bigger.

btw. I'd like to see the Theseus from the side... :nervous:
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: karajorma on April 28, 2009, 03:16:02 pm
You will. Once it's in the game and released you can see it from any angle you want. :D
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 29, 2009, 02:06:35 am
ATTENTION SPOILER!!!! lookin' daybreack part 2 when galactica go inside the colony and alpha team climb down the ship, galactica also don't seems so big too
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 29, 2009, 03:10:55 am
Yeah, and compared to Jupiter the Earth doesn't seem big, either. The colony is frakkin' big. Of course the Galactica will seem small next to it :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Baschl on April 29, 2009, 03:30:54 am
Just found this size comparison of the colony and the BigG, but don´t know if these are official pictures:

Beware of Spoilers for the series finale! :

http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193

for me the colony also seems a little too small  :) , but on the blog is an explanation for this
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 29, 2009, 05:37:41 am
newman i just want to say the theseus size for me is correct  :) maybe you can compare in an image the dimensions of the galactica and the theseus near a little viper   :) in this way everyone can really realize the effective size of him
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: StarSlayer on April 29, 2009, 07:34:40 am
Right,  please keep in mind that not all folks have had th' opportunity t' see season four.  In th' future please restrain yourselves from blurtin' out spoilers in a thread where viewers might not expect them.  If you do feel the irreconcilable need t' discuss them usin' spoiler tags or addin' a warnin' would help folks from bein' taken unawares.

Carry on.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: newman on April 29, 2009, 07:40:12 am
I'd just like to add this. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Because Slayer's sentences don't have enough of those :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Baschl on April 29, 2009, 07:43:55 am
I´m really sorry. forgot about that, will never happen again   :)
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 29, 2009, 08:09:14 am
What? He wasn't talking to you.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: torc on April 29, 2009, 01:30:49 pm
I'M SORRY TOO...
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Sidestep on April 29, 2009, 10:27:27 pm
Will we be able to land on and launch from the Theseus on the first release?

And will we see her in action?
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 30, 2009, 07:24:36 am
1) Can we launch from the tubes. - We're working on that. Hopefully.
2) Can we combat land on the pods. - Again, working on it.
3) Will the nuke tubes open? - Yes.
4) Will the guns rise up out of their resting positions when fighting the enemy? - Probably not in R1. In later releases, most likely. In R1 they'll already be up in their combat positions.
5) How big is it exactly?

Length: 1072 meter + 28 meter the nose antenna array.
Width: 461 meter on the widest point of the pods.
Height: 132 meter from the lowest point of the pods to the highest point of the spine.
Internal height of the pods: higher = 18 meter, lower = 9,5 meter.
Landing length of the pods: 544 meter.
Launchtube length: minimum 91 meter, maximum 97 meter.
Title: Re: 09-04-15 - A First Look At The Battlestar Theseus
Post by: Adalla on May 14, 2009, 10:52:55 pm
It looks beautiful.

Much kudos to Starslayer and Meleardil.