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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: spacetrader on April 19, 2009, 03:19:04 pm
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i bought the game off GoG, then downloaded the scp installer, chose to do the 'works', and its been running for about 2 hours now.. i have a cable 10mbit connection, how long is this thing going to take? i only have about 9 hours left in my weekend haha...
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:welcome:
Didn't take more than about 4 hours when I installed it yesterday.
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Where is it right now? And you should download the following manually:
Current Version of the Engine: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,62210.0.html
Current Version of the Launcher: http://fs2source.warpcore.org/exes/Launcher55d.rar
Uncorrupted mediavp package: http://www.freespacemods.net/files/MVP3610/MV_Complete.7z
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do i have to? the last thing i want is to screw something up and not be able to play this, after all this crap. im not saying its been hard so far to install this, but holy cow does it have about 136 different ways to be run/installed/modded. im trying to keep things simple...
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Unfortunately, yes, you do. The Installer's version of the engine is quite outdated, the Installer's copy of the MediaVPs is corrupted, which WILL cause problems sooner or later, and I don't know whether the Installer has the new Launcher already.
And the Installation of those three pieces is quite simple. First, delete everything in <FreeSpace Directory>\mediavps. Extract the mediavps you downloaded into that directory.
The Launcher and the executable go into your FS directory.
As for "136 ways to be modded", no, there really is only one way. Other ways might work, but are unreliable. And there is usually always someone here or on IRC available to help you if you have problems.
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thanks for the info. its still going, i cant tell how far its completed, it doesnt show a percentage complete...
ill install those 3 things above when its finished then... looking forward to play this game on my dlp projector im getting soon
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You lucky dog. :P
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hardly! its more like stupidity. after suffering for two years of nearly losing my house, i still dont have a solid job and im still struggling massively. but i got a fat tax return this year and i decided to redo my living room. the projector was a necessary part of the renovation, so you can see how this is all being done under the cover of 'home improvement' lol :D
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I hope you enjoy it. Freespace 2 is one of the best space combat sim games to date.
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I hope you enjoy it. Freespace 2 is one of the best space combat sim games to date.
The best, in my opinion. :nod:
question: does the MV Complete include the advanced effects as well?
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Yes, but it doesn't include the HQ music files, so you still need to get mv_music separately.
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It seemed to take forever for me too when I did it. I did "the works" and was floored how long it took.
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The installer took me one or two hours, but I already had the mediaVPs and a couple mods. (And that was with a 3 megabit connection)
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~3.5 hours and still going strong... its not even using 1/5 of my bandwidth though, their servers must not be that fast... looks like it runs around 200-300KB/sec.
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~3.5 hours and still going strong... its not even using 1/5 of my bandwidth though
Bandwidth in terms of your LAN? As in, the network chart you see in the task manager from Ctrl+alt+del?
If you have a gigabit LAN (like I do) Your internet will never take more than 5% of your total connection, no matter how fast you download. It depends on your ISP.
My internet is a 4 megabit connection, but it gets divided depending on how many computers in my house are connected at a time, which is always at least two (upwards of 3), so on average I get 2 megabits.
I chose pretty much everything; all the mods, the works, that stuff. I started at noon and finished just after dinner (5 or 6 hours)
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That sounds about right. It's really an astonishing amount of data that has to be downloaded (Not to mention that it takes up a lot of space when decompressed).
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~3.5 hours and still going strong... its not even using 1/5 of my bandwidth though
Bandwidth in terms of your LAN? As in, the network chart you see in the task manager from Ctrl+alt+del?
If you have a gigabit LAN (like I do) Your internet will never take more than 5% of your total connection, no matter how fast you download. It depends on your ISP.
My internet is a 4 megabit connection, but it gets divided depending on how many computers in my house are connected at a time, which is always at least two (upwards of 3), so on average I get 2 megabits.
I chose pretty much everything; all the mods, the works, that stuff. I started at noon and finished just after dinner (5 or 6 hours)
sounds about right, its been downloading around 2mb for me, but i have a 10mb (12mb real world) internet connection that can do 1.3MB/sec all day long. (until the comcast police call me and tell me to stop going over 250gb :D ) i feel it will probably be done within the hour then... its hour 4 now....
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done! :eek: ;7
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Have fun, then. You know where to find us when you have any probles.
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how do i start flying around? im on a crt television for now and i cant read any text. im in this room where i can select doors and a guy, but i just want to start flying and shooting things...
nevermind. i wasnt running the new rc10 exe... now it gets online and plays fine. wow.. this game looks fantastic! so its online only?
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Wait. A CRT TV??? How does that work?
Anyway, the big double doors in the screen center are the gateway to the campaign.
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At the start of the game (or when in the pilots room/barracks) You're given the choice between multiplayer and singleplayer pilots. So either restart or go into the barracks and change.
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If you have trouble, just press F1 and you get an overlay explaining all the doors.
Wait. A CRT TV??? How does that work?
Cathode...rayon....tube...? :eek:
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Holymotherfrakkingsonofa*****! A CRT screen! Talk about old technology, they've got to have been phazed out, what, 5, 10 years ago? :p
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Holymotherfrakkingsonofa*****! A CRT screen! Talk about old technology, they've got to have been phazed out, what, 5, 10 years ago? :p
And they're still better at colour space than any flat panel ever. Aside from being big and heavy as a mountain, a good CRT display is quite frankly superior to any LCD/TFT panel, and to even surpass the mid-level CRT colour quality you need a pretty gosh darn expensive high quality flat panel. Better contrast too (related to colour reproduction). They also have higher vertical synchronization frequency (aka moar frames per second) and are less expensive to manufacture. Perhaps the biggest advantage of LCD's compared to CRT's is that they don't flicker in the same way as CRT's do, but people experience this in vastly different ways.
As far as I know, most graphics designers still much prefer CRT's in cases where accurate colour reproduction is a requirement.
In general, absorptive displays will just never be the same as emissive displays. LED displays have better chances at being the displays of the future, LCD/TFT screens are just a phase. They're just more convenient than the monolithic monitors of the olden days...
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better and best of both worlds is OLED. it's coming, and when it eventually becomes cheap enough, it will replace every screen.
this isnt a crt monitor though, its a 640x480 tv, and thats the res im running. i can barely read stuff, manytimes not in this game. needless to say, my 8800gts g92 and e5200 can run this game maxed out at this res.
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I don't care :p
How do you like the game? :D
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I don't care :p
I smell jealousy?
and what about laser TVs? they sound interesting.
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I don't care :p
I smell jealousy?
I can't be jealous, I don't even know what he said.
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If you have trouble, just press F1 and you get an overlay explaining all the doors.
Wait. A CRT TV??? How does that work?
Cathode...rayon....tube...? :eek:
You must speak French. Rayon?
As for order of operations, this is the order (IMO) in which campaigns should be played. Keep in mind that you must play each to completion as if you switch half-way through you'll corrupt your pilot and lose the accumulated stats
The ones in brackets are separate downloads, but they should be played.
(Terran-Vasudan War Project)
Cardinal Spear
FreeSpace Port
Awakenings
(BR: Shivans)
Silent threat: Reborn
Destiny of Peace
Homesick
Sync
Transcend (or is this after FS2?)
FS2
Derelict
(Warzone) (or is this before Derelict?)
(Renegade Ressurgence)
Procyon Insurgency
Blue Planet
Others worth checking out:
Inferno
Inferno: Alliance
Sol: A History
Shrouding the Light
Aeos Affair
Blackwater Operations Demo
***Deus Ex Machina***
***Just Another Day Trilogy***
Second Great War Pt II
Shivans 0.21
Teeth of the Tiger
*****Windmills*****
Twilight
Flames of War
...Many More...
Check out the links in mine or Lobo's sig for more related info.
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If you have trouble, just press F1 and you get an overlay explaining all the doors.
Wait. A CRT TV??? How does that work?
Cathode...rayon....tube...? :eek:
You must speak French. Rayon?
As for order of operations, this is the order (IMO) in which campaigns should be played. Keep in mind that you must play each to completion as if you switch half-way through you'll corrupt your pilot and lose the accumulated stats
The ones in brackets are separate downloads, but they should be played.
(Terran-Vasudan War Project)
Cardinal Spear
FreeSpace Port
Awakenings
(BR: Shivans)
Silent threat: Reborn
Destiny of Peace
Homesick
Sync
Transcend (or is this after FS2?)
FS2
Derelict
(Warzone) (or is this before Derelict?)
(Renegade Ressurgence)
Procyon Insurgency
Blue Planet
Others worth checking out:
Inferno
Inferno: Alliance
Sol: A History
Shrouding the Light
Aeos Affair
Blackwater Operations Demo
***Deus Ex Machina***
***Just Another Day Trilogy***
Second Great War Pt II
Shivans 0.21
Teeth of the Tiger
*****Windmills*****
Twilight
Flames of War
...Many More...
Check out the links in mine or Lobo's sig for more related info.
I would definitely play FreeSpace Port, Silent Threat: Reborn, and the Freespace 2 first... in that order
transcend should come after FS2
procyon insurgency before renegade resurgance
and awakenings should be the last fs1 era campaign on this list
Also, IMO Inferno, Inferno:Alliance, and Shrouding the Light should be on that top list. I think STL is the best modded FS1 era campaign
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Installing FSO manually ftw.
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WOOOOWWWWW!!! this is so ****in fun! i cant belive i got all this for $6... this is too good. i mean, seriously, this is so much better then i had thought it would be... why isn't this game and mod more known? how could have i been under a rock this long?
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Yeah, that's the usual reaction. Don't forget to check out Multiplayer some time (Although it is recommended that you go on IRC to set up a date)!
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i dont think anyone is going to like me in multiplayer. im still going through tutorials that stop me because i dont have all the key bindings set.
thats really the only downside for me, there are too many controls to fit on my xbox controller. but i leave auto tracking on and only map the most important buttons. things like sheild eq and engine power dont matter much to me... i just like seeing big explosions.
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The big explosions are the best ;)
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Oh, but from my experience, FS2's Multiplayer community is fairly small and welcoming. People of all skill Levels are welcome.
Oh, and if you're done with FS2, make sure to check out The Babylon Project and Wing Commander Saga, as well.
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How could have i been under a rock this long?
Bad marketting, I think. Otherwise I could easily see Freespace reviving the space sim genre if re-released at the proper time.
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Cathode...rayon....tube...? :eek:
It's just RAY, haloboy.
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Bad marketting, I think. Otherwise I could easily see Freespace reviving the space sim genre if re-released at the proper time.
If gog.com did even more advertising for it, and we provided a clear and trouble-free way of upgrading to the full 3.6.10 experience, or if there were packages for Linux that would make installing the SCP goodness easier, then I guess it could be more successful...
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Alternatively, we can just profit from having higher post counts replying to newcomers. :drevil:
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Cathode...rayon....tube...? :eek:
It's just RAY, haloboy.
I know, I just couldn't remember and said that for the sake of how nobody really knows. :P
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Obviously everyone knows but you :D
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Holymotherfrakkingsonofa*****! A CRT screen! Talk about old technology, they've got to have been phazed out, what, 5, 10 years ago? :p
I still use CRT monitors. I have a 19" Compaq Trinitron CRT monitor, and a 17" Insignia monitor on loan from my brother. The 19" is showing its age, but it still works and the color is superb (and even better with the nVidia display optmizations), and you can't beat the performance of a CRT with almost any LCD/plasma.
When I move out of my parents' house, I will get LCDs.
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Holymotherfrakkingsonofa*****! A CRT screen! Talk about old technology, they've got to have been phazed out, what, 5, 10 years ago? :p
I still use CRT monitors. I have a 19" Compaq Trinitron CRT monitor, and a 17" Insignia monitor on loan from my brother. The 19" is showing its age, but it still works and the color is superb (and even better with the nVidia display optmizations), and you can't beat the performance of a CRT with almost any LCD/plasma.
When I move out of my parents' house, I will get LCDs.
I was going to say myself, I also have a 19" Compaq V900 CRT and love it! Alright it's not wide screen, but I don want or need that! The colour and clarity are superb, I can even forgive it for the scratches on the glass! I just need a better card to really push it! {Geforce FX 128mb 5200 :ick: }
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What a shocker. I have a Compaq P900.
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Well, hey...CRT: No ghosting, no dead pixels, no grey blacks...
Just remember to keep magnets away from the screen. :blah:
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Well, hey...CRT: No ghosting, no dead pixels, no grey blacks...
Just remember to keep magnets away from the screen. :blah:
Degauss FTW
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I thought degauss is now done automatically.
Speaking of CRTs, I still use one for my PC.
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CRTs can still have dead pixels, but the likelihood is greatly lower than that of an LCD.
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What always bugged me about CRTs were just how fuzzy the image was...it annoys me.
But maybe that's just because it's interlaced and the resolution is so low on broadcast television. I heard PAL has different variations in resolution, but I think that's only in HD broadcasting.
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Wait, what? PAL has a higher resolution (720*576, as opposed to 720*486 for NTSC), but a lower framerate (50 Hz as opposed to 60 Hz for NTSC). And the fuzziness is more a function of the input signal, just compare the antenna signal to a RGB connection. The easiest test for this are consoles. Most of these come with a CVBS video connector, which gives a notably fuzzier image than a RGB cable.
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NTSC standard dictates 525 lines, but not all lines contain visual elements, so you get 480 lines. Depending on the TV, it may have the same or less lines displayed. The horizontal pixel measurement depends on the TV since that part of the signal was always analog, and each device reads and displays it differently. NTSC uses 30 frames per second, with 60Hz interlaced; one frame is made of two fields, so 30 fps shows smoothly on 60Hz.
Televisions use interlaced scanning to make up for the low frame rate of a broadcasted signal depending on whether it's NTSC or PAL (60Hz in NTSC to smoothly match the 30fps of films, 25 fps for PAL's 50Hz); two fields, containing one vsync pulse each, create one frame.
In modern hardware following the VGA standard, interlaced scanning is avoided as much as possible, so you have what a TV would call "progressive scan." PC monitors often do not use interlaced scanning, and so the picture quality is higher.
The lowest refresh rate I have seen in PC graphics settings is 56Hz, though often it's set to 60Hz. I use 85Hz because my eyes are sensitive enough that I can see the screen refreshing (looks like rippling light); however, when I use an LCD I set the refresh rate to 60Hz as a liquid crystal display does not use an electron gun to produce the image, but rather a control matrix and a panel of thin film transistor (TFT) pixels. The refresh rate in a game--especially if you use vsync--can be computationally intensive, and that's why you need a better computer to do higher refresh rates and higher resolutions in games with vsync on.
VGA (640x480, 16 colors) is comparable to 480i on a TV, for a point of reference.
The fuzziness could come from a faulty shadow mask in the tube, or low dot pitch (http://webopedia.com/TERM/d/dot_pitch.html). I have found that CRT monitors with low dot pitch--such as my Compaq P900 19"--have a crisper image because the pixels are closer together.
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