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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: iamzack on April 21, 2009, 04:35:28 pm
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They just fail so hard.
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I love how a bunch of them aren't even coherent.
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He wins. I'm gonna go play some Descent now and feel mighty patriotic about me.
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What amazes me is the fact the people forget so quickly that Obama jumped on halfway down the ski-slope and couldn't exactly turn around. These measures were introduced by Bush, Obama has little choice to play the hand he was dealt when he arrived.
And yes, that's a pretty amusing spelling of Dissent...
Edit: Oh, and it's all very well complaining about it, but the recession was being warned about for years before it happened, and no-one lifted a finger until it was too late.
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The highest form of "patriotic". Unless you oppose social conservatism interfering with your life. *sigh*
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What I'd like to know is what Magneto was up to behind him...
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There are nutcases on both sides.
Let's not touch off yet another powderkeg.
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If it turns into a flame war, it'll get locked, simple as that, but people will have an opinion, and, frankly, it's better to shout it out than for everyone to just sit around convinced their opinion is the only right one.
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There are nutcases on both sides.
Let's not touch off yet another powderkeg.
Politics aren't stupid. It's the way you interact with them.
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John Scalzi has some good thoughts on the matter. (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/04/21/teabaggers-and-puppetmasters/)
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All this proves to me is that there are a lot of nuts out there who should have paid more attention in school to basic lessons in spelling and grammar.
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Some of these protests are kind of disturbing. No matter what happens, no one on either side should be encouraging people to compare Obama to hitler. There is such a thing as going too far, and some of the republicans (and probably some democrats too) need to get some sense knocked into them. A country that is divided is not going to be as successful as one that is united in a common goal.
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^^^ lol
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Apparently, the reforms were commented on by an Ancient Greek...?
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The only thing I can think of is that someone tried to google "socialist," but ****ed up the spelling so badly that Google asked "Did you mean scholiast?" And thus was an awesome protest sign born.
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Liberal protesters against Bush could usually cite some reason for him and his policies being a problem.
These people, not so much. They don't know what socialism is, and they are convinced that being black and/or Muslim is somehow inherently a bad thing.
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They just fail so hard.
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Please. Hitler tried to take over the world and revoked just about every civil liberty we hold dear. Obama's trying to save our economy and give us back our civil liberties. And I haven't seen any signs that he's got a secret police, concentration camps or designs on conquering the world, so until this dude has evidence, he should stop fear-mongering and shut the **** up.
If fascism = alliance of business and state, then America has been fascist since the 1940's. Military-Industrial Complex for the fail.
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I bet anarchy sucks even worse.
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Wow... this dude is and incredibly paranoid. Hate to shatter his bubble, but slavery ended ended about 152 years ago and no one is in the mood to start that **** again. And all ethnicities pay taxes, not just whites. Pull your head out of your ass, please.
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Again, hate to shatter bubbles, but America is Christian in demographics only. We have no official religion, and allowing a religion to be the guiding hand in politics is unconstitutional.
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I TOTALLY AGREE!!! Congress should institute no taxes so that it has no income and no funds to do anything, like homeland security! Brilliant!... ****ing noob.
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Right. Because breaking the status quo is like taking a cyanide capsule.
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Lady, how large a rock have you been living under the past two years?
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Sadly the rejects are always nearest the cameras .....from either side of the debates.
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*Scotty enjoys laughing at pictures of idiots.
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What the ****!?
Lady All of you, how large a rock have you been living under the past two years?
White Slavery... Damn, that makes me angry
Christian Nation? What esarai said, why don't you give your life for some stupid cause and save the rest of us some trouble. I here it's what all the cool kids in the Middle East are doing.
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*Scotty enjoys laughing at pictures of idiots.
I'm laughing my ass off.
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And I thought the Hitler Jack Layton (the leader of the New Democratic Party in Canada. His platform involved "socialist" government involvement to help the middle class citizen) was bad...I doubt most of those people even know where the term "Nazi" even came from...
and...white slavery? What the hell?
Also, anybody seen Obama's group on facebook (for those who use it)? It's all full of trolls acting exactly like these wingnuts...
"ZOMG! OBAMA! GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT! SOCIALISM! AIEEEEE!!!!
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Homey don't play dat.
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I do believe that's a disgrace to everyone wearing baggy jeans and expensive chains. Including me. I would very much like to end the sonofa***** who wrote that.
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Actually, the crappy aspects of "black" culture deserve to be mocked.
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...It's the context I was ashamed at. We all get a good laugh out of talking "G" from time to time :pimp:
And besides, the only aspect of Black Culture you like is the weed.
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psh, that was white culture first.
i do like the music, though. from the 90s.
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i do like the music, though. from the 90s.
NWA for Lyf
Now I'd have some real Respekt for anyone from Compton :P
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I do believe that's a disgrace to everyone wearing baggy jeans and expensive chains. Including me. I would very much like to end the sonofa***** who wrote that.
Everyone wearing baggy jeans and expensive chains is already a disgrace to everything anyway.
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Those folks give ignorant filth a bad name.
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LOOOL!
"Nigga whaaat! You have some crazzzzzyyy ass balls for a whi' ki'!"
Those folks give ignorant filth a bad name.
Well excuse me for "expressing" myself ;)
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Back on the protest topic...I love Democratic Underground's 10 Ten Conservative Idiots' take on the matter:
It's a big week for America's backwash - April 15 is Teabag Day, the right-wing's grand anti-government ball-gargling experiment. But all is not well in the land of wingnuttery. According to Neil Cavuto, shenanigans are afoot. As the Huffington Post reported last week...
"Only eight days before a nationwide tea party, some over-caffeinated crashers aiming to lay waste to it," Cavuto said. "Reports of very well-organized infiltrators trying to mix in and rain on this parade. Talk about taxing."
Cavuto's infiltrators are none other than 2008 electoral boogeyman ACORN and the Huffington Post, which has repeatedly asked readers to sign up as "citizen journalists" to help us cover the many-hundred tax day events. (Cavuto's characterization is accurate to the extent "infiltrate" is a synonym for "attend").
Well this is convenient... Fox News has worked a bunch of wingnuts into a frenzy with fantasies of armed revolution against their liberal oppressors, and is sending them out into the streets to protest. What could possibly go wrong? But just in case things do get out of hand, they now have a scapegoat... ACORN and the Huffington Post!
Meanwhile, NewsCorpse reports that Neil Cavuto isn't the only Teabagger shaking in his boots at the thought of this shadowy liberal insurgency. Check out the always entertaining Michelle Malkin, who claims that "on the ground, the tax-subsidized and Soros-subsidized troops are going to try and wreak havoc every way they can. Many readers and fellow bloggers have seen signs that ACORN may send in ringers and saboteurs to usurp the anti-tax, anti-reckless spending, anti-bailout message."
Funny how we pantywaist liberal peaceniks have suddently morphed into insidious and violent havoc-wreakers, but there you go. From Newscorpse...
I'm still having trouble grasping how the right can view liberals as weak, tottering, appeasers of Socialism, yet still fear their foreboding presence at a political rally. It parallels their thoroughly illogical perception of President Obama as lacking the courage or strength to be an effective leader, yet he is also a tyrannical despot plotting to enslave America and bend the world to his will.
The truth about these astroturf-roots charades is that they are nothing more than promotions for Fox News. They are pitched on the air and on Fox Nation. At least four Fox "personalities" are hosting the events (Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity, and Greta Van Susteran). Fox even describes them as "FNC TAX DAY TEA PARTIES."
Hmm, remember the days when people had to get grassroots protests together without the assistance of a major cable news network? Back then they would barely even mention a few hundred thousand people marching in New York or Washington - now they're literally organizing the darn things! I guess change really has come to America.
For what it's worth, Cavuto defended Fox News's blatant promotion of the teabagging events, claiming last week that, "We are are going to be in the middle of these protests because at Fox, we do not pick and choose these rallies and protests. We were there for the Million Man March, even though, as I pointed out, it turned out to be well shy of a million men."
Which is pretty impressive given that the Million Man March happened in 1995 and Fox News didn't go on the air until 1996.
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I was referring to the folks in the photos Dilmah not the sub plot.
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Don't worry, I was only joking :P
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Actually, the crappy aspects of "black" culture deserve to be mocked.
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Normally I refrain from laughing at folks who don't have a good command of English because I know how stupid I sound when I speak Spanish, but the "Loves Baby Killing" and "Descent the highest form of Patriotic" signs overpowered my guilt like a Mack truck hitting a Chihuahua.
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Normally I refrain from laughing at folks who don't have a good command of English because I know how stupid I sound when I speak Spanish, but the "Loves Baby Killing" and "Descent the highest form of Patriotic" signs overpowered my guilt like a Mack truck hitting a Chihuahua.
Poor little dog...
In other words, yeah. I really laughed as hard as I do all the time when I hear about Americans doing stupid things. :rolleyes:
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Oddly enough, the Chihuahua is one of the few domesticated animals I really cannot get along with, the only thing that stops me from hating the little buggers is the fear that one day they might evolve into Yoda.
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Oddly enough, the Chihuahua is one of the few domesticated animals I really cannot get along with, the only thing that stops me from hating the little buggers is the fear that one day they might evolve into Yoda.
:lol: I would totally buy a Chihuahua the day that happens. And then purchase a light saber. For me... not for the dog, Yoda comes standard with his does he not?
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Normally I refrain from laughing at folks who don't have a good command of English because I know how stupid I sound when I speak Spanish, but the "Loves Baby Killing" and "Descent the highest form of Patriotic" signs overpowered my guilt like a Mack truck hitting a Chihuahua.
Hey, it's different if they are native speakers who typically demand that everyone cater to them and learn English.
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Poor little dog...
In other words, yeah. I really laughed as hard as I do all the time when I hear about Americans doing stupid things.
Wait, what?
WHO ARE YOU
GOD DAMN IT WHAT THE HELL IS THIS STEALTH POSTER THE TRANSCENDENT OR SOME **** LIKE THAT
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*agitated*
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Wow.... I thought I was the one who got agitated easily :P
This isn't some holiday in a country that gives the mods an excuse to do something like this is it?
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I don't get agitated easily, but if the Transcendent is posting on our board, we are all in deep trouble.
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Wow.... I thought I was the one who got agitated easily :P
This isn't some holiday in a country that gives the mods an excuse to do something like this is it?
Methinks someone in the admin staff hasn't cooled off after 420 :p
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Poor little dog...
In other words, yeah. I really laughed as hard as I do all the time when I hear about Americans doing stupid things.
Wait, what?
Oh, SHI-
I think I'm first...he's questioning me. :nervous:
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Poor little dog...
In other words, yeah. I really laughed as hard as I do all the time when I hear about Americans doing stupid things.
Wait, what?
Oh, SHI-
I think I'm first...he's questioning me. :nervous:
I think it's fun...ny...
Can you hear me?
Are you there?
I...can't...see you...
Help me...
HELP ME.
HELP ME.
PLEASE.
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If you question his existence enough, he eventually fades out of existence ;)
But isn't this a little off-topic? :nervous:
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Poor little dog...
In other words, yeah. I really laughed as hard as I do all the time when I hear about Americans doing stupid things.
Wait, what?
Oh, SHI-
I think I'm first...he's questioning me. :nervous:
THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO YOU...DOES IT?
*static*
....DO YOU SEE?
ME TOO---LUCK, BUT ID RATHER TAKE MY CHANCES---FZZZT---WITH THE----
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I don't get agitated easily, but if the Transcendent is posting on our board, we are all in deep trouble.
Very Tr-
**** TRANSMISSION TERMINATED *****
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I went and unpacked the voice files from the Transcend VP.
Man. Sometimes I think Transcend isn't really that scary...it's just because we didn't expect to be scared in a video game...I mean, real scary stuff is scarier...
But even listening to those transmissions out of context gives me the creeps.
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Wow.... I thought I was the one who got agitated easily :P
This isn't some holiday in a country that gives the mods an excuse to do something like this is it?
It is neither an admin, nor a mod.
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Then tell us your name, O nonexistent one...
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Wow.... I thought I was the one who got agitated easily :P
This isn't some holiday in a country that gives the mods an excuse to do something like this is it?
It is neither an admin, nor a mod.
When I first saw the "Ghost Poster" I thought it had something to do with Turambar...
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I just had an idea
That "Ghost Poster" isn't Mobius is it?
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It's...it's....IT'S....
METAL GEAR!!!!
I think it's the new HLP Hammer of Justice...in disguise
Terribly sorry for the spam, but I just can't pass this up. :D
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I just had an idea
That "Ghost Poster" isn't Mobius is it?
But his text isn't Mobiusized!
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Wow.... I thought I was the one who got agitated easily :P
This isn't some holiday in a country that gives the mods an excuse to do something like this is it?
It is neither an admin, nor a mod.
When I first saw the "Ghost Poster" I thought it had something to do with Turambar...
O.o? Why?
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If you question his existence enough, he eventually fades out of existence ;)
I exist. :(
This has to either be a forum bug or a very bored admin.
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Anyone who was on IRC tonight knows who it is... :drevil:
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Wow.... I thought I was the one who got agitated easily :P
This isn't some holiday in a country that gives the mods an excuse to do something like this is it?
It is neither an admin, nor a mod.
When I first saw the "Ghost Poster" I thought it had something to do with Turambar...
O.o? Why?
I dunno... some kind of quasi-psychic ability. And the fact that conversation last night (well not in your part of the world) on the IRC channel about what kind of terrible April Fool's joke it would be if you and Turambar were made admins for the day was still fresh in my mind.
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Hmm.. I disagree to push the tax protect on Tax Day into a demonstration from 'silly right-wingers'. Many people on the Left, as well as Right, black and white, were protesting the income tax. The income tax is a tax that doesn't return to the people in form of goods, jobs, social security, etc; but immediately lands in the pockets of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve in turn uses is for their own purposes offshore, instead of investing it into the USA.
It's a shame the protest is being put up as if it was a right-wing scare about taxes themselves. We all know some taxes are good, when they are used to support the people in our communities, and keep people off the streets, homeless. But the income tax that was protested was first of all an illegal tax, as the Federal reserve is as federal as Federal Express (FedEx), and secondly, the income tax goes offshore and doesn't return back into the economy; you could see it as a bleeding wound.
And of course, don't see things in the Right/Left paradigm. It's a much used divide and conquer strategy.
- JC
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Hmm.. I disagree to push the tax protect on Tax Day into a demonstration from 'silly right-wingers'. Many people on the Left, as well as Right, black and white, were protesting the income tax. The income tax is a tax that doesn't return to the people in form of goods, jobs, social security, etc; but immediately lands in the pockets of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve in turn uses is for their own purposes offshore, instead of investing it into the USA.
It's a shame the protest is being put up as if it was a right-wing scare about taxes themselves. We all know some taxes are good, when they are used to support the people in our communities, and keep people off the streets, homeless. But the income tax that was protested was first of all an illegal tax, as the Federal reserve is as federal as Federal Express (FedEx), and secondly, the income tax goes offshore and doesn't return back into the economy; you could see it as a bleeding wound.
And of course, don't see things in the Right/Left paradigm. It's a much used divide and conquer strategy.
- JC
Please go look at the pictures before responding to the thread. This issue isn't about taxes.
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Please go look at the pictures before responding to the thread. This issue isn't about taxes.
To be fair, the images are not exactly representative. Someone found all of the craziest/funniest signs they could.
More to the point, though, the tea parties got BANDWAGON'D!. They actually did start out as being grass roots, about taxes, and in protest of excessive government spending. Unfortunately, a lot of people who were angry at Washington for whatever reason ("Obama is a Communist Muslim reincarnation of Hitler! And he eats puppies!") jumped on the bandwagon. Sadly, though, crazy people make more entertaining news than those who are outraged in a civilized and sane way. They stole the spotlight and made it so that the tea parties got all the wrong kind of attention.
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The history of the Tea Parties is surreal. After a rant by CNBC's Santelli a serious of blogs were up in matter of hours, with surprisingly similar content. After years of berating and belittling protesters as silly, Fox News decides to jump in, cover the protests, give out half a million dollars in ads for them. Santelli says he's proud of creating them... The protest have nothing to do with taxes - pretty much everyone getting less than 250 000/year is getting a tax cut; there were no protests during Bush years; the protests are aimed at liberal muslim communists etc.
This pretty much sums it out:
http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing-pr-machine-is-cnbcs-rick-santelli-sucking-koch/
Grassroots my ass.
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The history of the Tea Parties is surreal. After a rant by CNBC's Santelli a serious of blogs were up in matter of hours, with surprisingly similar content. After years of berating and belittling protesters as silly, Fox News decides to jump in, cover the protests, give out half a million dollars in ads for them. Santelli says he's proud of creating them... The protest have nothing to do with taxes - pretty much everyone getting less than 250 000/year is getting a tax cut; there were no protests during Bush years; the protests are aimed at liberal muslim communists etc.
This pretty much sums it out:
http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing-pr-machine-is-cnbcs-rick-santelli-sucking-koch/
Grassroots my ass.
There were many, many protests against Bush. This goes way beyond left or right, democrat or republican, as i mentioned earlier. A simple Google search brings up a lot (a very simple search would be this -- http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=protests+against+bush&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=&aq=f&oq= )
The thing is that the people behind bush, behind obama, are in charge for quite a while now, and are the ones making the rules; using the 2 - party system to their advantage.
Fox News is and stays a neo-conservative news channel, which i have no respect for at all, but since it's their turn to be critical about the administration, they attempt to hijack and take over these movements. Like how i felt Keith Olbermann was amazing against Bush, now he's soft and apologetic about Obama. I don't have respect for people, especially in the media, that only attack the 'other camp', and when 'their' camp is in power, they're happy.
As mentioned, it's divide and conquer. But both the people in the media and in politics that are on the 'left' and 'right', work for the same people, which have interest by this infight of left versus right, black versus white.
But that's not how things should be, i think. This way we can never fix things and improve our lives, our future.
- JC
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Personally I think the entire country is dumber then a doornail.
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The history of the Tea Parties is surreal. After a rant by CNBC's Santelli a serious of blogs were up in matter of hours, with surprisingly similar content. After years of berating and belittling protesters as silly, Fox News decides to jump in, cover the protests, give out half a million dollars in ads for them. Santelli says he's proud of creating them... The protest have nothing to do with taxes - pretty much everyone getting less than 250 000/year is getting a tax cut; there were no protests during Bush years; the protests are aimed at liberal muslim communists etc.
This pretty much sums it out:
http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing-pr-machine-is-cnbcs-rick-santelli-sucking-koch/
Grassroots my ass.
There were many, many protests against Bush. This goes way beyond left or right, democrat or republican, as i mentioned earlier. A simple Google search brings up a lot (a very simple search would be this -- http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=protests+against+bush&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=&aq=f&oq= )
The thing is that the people behind bush, behind obama, are in charge for quite a while now, and are the ones making the rules; using the 2 - party system to their advantage.
Fox News is and stays a neo-conservative news channel, which i have no respect for at all, but since it's their turn to be critical about the administration, they attempt to hijack and take over these movements. Like how i felt Keith Olbermann was amazing against Bush, now he's soft and apologetic about Obama. I don't have respect for people, especially in the media, that only attack the 'other camp', and when 'their' camp is in power, they're happy.
As mentioned, it's divide and conquer. But both the people in the media and in politics that are on the 'left' and 'right', work for the same people, which have interest by this infight of left versus right, black versus white.
But that's not how things should be, i think. This way we can never fix things and improve our lives, our future.
- JC
You miss the point: the de-facto horn for Republican Party belittled all the opposition for Bush and then, after marketing the current tea party - by the way, they also labelled them as FNC Tea Parties.. - goes out and endorses them. After a scripted "rant"? This was never a grassroots movement, but blatant astroturfing. It's not that Fox News has a chance to be critical - by all means, they can go ahead - but they are doing it in such a blatantly hypocritical way after spending months trying to fly **** at the current administration that it stinks. It stinks to the skies. I have not seen any reporting after looking at dozens of articles that there were anything but the 30%ers there. You certainly do have proof of this statement that
There weren't protests against Bush's government's spending. They were protests, but it was the other site of the isle and against different things - these same people were not protesting against spending or deficits or any other aspect of the disastrous economy, FNC wasn't afraid of "moral hazards" which would be not letting people go homeless, and they sure as hell weren't like the protesting as a means of political dissent at all.
We were talking about astroturfing and what the protests are. They do not even aim at the common goals - one protester here demands less taxes (although he is probably getting tax cuts), another one blames evil communist muslim Obama for economical crisis, third one is your run-of-the-mill Ron Paul wacko.
You seem to dislike the Left/Right axis, but as it stands, the two-party catchall system causes that.
-JC
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This was never a grassroots movement, but blatant astroturfing.
I lol'd.
I don't really care for parties. No one party embodies what I would look for. That said, I would have voted McCain, but didn't have the opportunity (damn voting age). He didn't get elected. Oh well. I may not think Obama is the better choice, but I don't go out and make everyone who didn't vote for him look like an ignorant dumbass. These people are a disgrace.
I still like laughing at idiots, though.
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I don't agree with either party that much either, but I do agree with the Dems more often than the Reps.
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And I the reverse. The party system just screws up any hope of anything working
right correctly.
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Well it wasn't designed for two parties. It was meant for many little factions.
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Arguably not, actually; parliamentary democracies are better suited for that.
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Well it wasn't designed for two parties. It was meant for many little factions.
well then maybe USA should pick another system than the first past the post
like parliamentary system which is p. good fyi
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The democratic system works, we just managed to seriously f*ck it up. The founding fathers never wanted a gigantic two party system, and honestly, when was the last NON Dem/Rep elected?
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Uhmm... Zackary Taylor. Was a whig. (Pre Civil War) But the point is moot as the Whigs became the Republicans.
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Personally I think the entire country is dumber then a doornail.
Irony: Someone accusing people of stupidity failing to distinguish between the words "then" and "than."
Sorry blackhole, couldn't resist :P
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The democratic system works, we just managed to seriously f*ck it up. The founding fathers never wanted a gigantic two party system, and honestly, when was the last NON Dem/Rep elected?
well maybe because they failed to see that parties are pretty much a natural continuation of politics. Why build such a system if it naturally leads to two-party system? Maybe they lacked something like historical perspective back then.
the US system is not unique; UK also has one. Actually there are many two-party systems in the world. This is not something unique or "americans are dumb" - it's built in in the system, it's completely unescapable, it will happen even if you scrapped all party affiliations tomorrow and waited for 2 election cycles.
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The UK doesn't quite have a two party system. It's simply that the Liberal Democrats are so useless that they've failed to capitalise on opportunities to end the current domination of the major two parties.
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The UK doesn't quite have a two party system. It's simply that the Liberal Democrats are so useless that they've failed to capitalise on opportunities to end the current domination of the major two parties.
Torys vs. Whigs
Labour vs. Conservatives
It's always two powerful parties and maybe some little third party (Libdems) providing help, but the FPTP system is so useless that it solidifes the dominance of two large parties for pretty much forever.
It's quite different from other multiparty systems where there are often two or three parties with not as huge a lead as f.ex. the Labour has now and then several smaller.
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Yeah but the Lib dems had the chance 3-4 years ago to kick the Tories either out of opposition or at least put them on a par with them.
Unfortunately instead of taking the long term view of kicking the Tories when they were down they took the short term view of actually trying to win the election by beating Labour (when they had no hope).
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Yeah but the Lib dems had the chance 3-4 years ago to kick the Tories either out of opposition or at least put them on a par with them.
Unfortunately instead of taking the long term view of kicking the Tories when they were down they took the short term view of actually trying to win the election by beating Labour (when they had no hope).
So in regards to original question: how long has British politics been dominated by two powerful parties and the rest are just filling? The parties change - this is not original to Britain - but the dualism remains.
I have for long held the idea that the British politics is dominated by two parties: one is the big opposition party and another one is a winner in election and gets all the important seats, all the positions in the positions that have actual influence, and a complete say in how the politics of the country are handled. The rest? Who cares.
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Like I said, it's not quite a two party system.
It is very close to one but it's not quite there. The liberal democrats hold 1/10th of the total number of seats which make them very important whenever there is a backbench rebellion. Similarly another 30 or so are held by independents.
Compare that to Congress. How many people are there in Congress who aren't from the two main parties?
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Political parties are the bane of democracy
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My absolute favorite by a wide margin.
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Apparently the folks at FreeRepublic want to stick their balls in the Democrats' mouths? :wtf:
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I find the Saudi one hilarious considering Bush's links to the Bin Laden family. :D
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psh, that was white culture first.
i do like the music, though. from the 90s.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/08/18/107-self-aware-hip-hop-references/
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Well, I used a different type of butter. I switched the style up, so let the haters hate and I’ll watch the deliciousness pile up.
Oh GOD! That would actually be okay if he was rapping about his baggies or something... arghhh. I also agree white people should NOT dress like rappers unless they're eminem or look like him :P
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I've got the book. :p
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Stuff White People Like? That book was awesome.
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So true.
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ironically, this picture is totally related
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The problem is all of these pictures are going to be all over the internet and people everywhere are going to think that the right-wing is made up of illiterate drunken rednecks. And it isn't, at least not where I live.
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That's a fair point.
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The problem is all of these pictures are going to be all over the internet and people everywhere are going to think that the right-wing is made up of illiterate drunken rednecks. And it isn't, at least not where I live.
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