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Title: just need a little info/help
Post by: captain-custard on April 27, 2009, 05:51:02 am
ok ive got an idea for a mod

(not going to sya what it is but it is)

although the mod itself will be technically non-cannon it relies on cannon events ..!

and now the help i need is (and yes i am looking also in the wiki)  in any cannon timeline of freespace what ships (caps and fighter wings etc) are maked as lost (MIA) and there is no evidence that they are destroyed.

if you have any ideas i would be grateful for the following information :-

1:-name and type of ship / wing

2:- timeline , (what fs and which mission)

3:- any other relevant information you have ......



if you need more info please pm me

thanks  :D
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: karajorma on April 27, 2009, 08:06:52 am
The biggest one to look at would be Kappa Wing from Mystery of the Trinity in FS2. They all disappeared but Kappa 3 reappeared.

By the way it's canon not cannon. The last one refers to a big gun while the former means the events considered genuine within a fictional universe.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: captain-custard on April 27, 2009, 10:26:06 am
The biggest one to look at would be Kappa Wing from Mystery of the Trinity in FS2. They all disappeared but Kappa 3 reappeared.

By the way it's canon not cannon. The last one refers to a big gun while the former means the events considered genuine within a fictional universe.


its almost like you actualy believe i can spell
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 27, 2009, 10:47:35 am
I don't think the NTC Alexandria counts, right? That ship was destroyed by the Shivans, I think.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Blue Lion on April 27, 2009, 10:51:40 am
I don't think there are any ships listed as "missing" but there are plenty of ships who don't have a definite fate.

The only real fighters are Kappa wing.

The two Shivan ships Bosch and such were on, but I wouldn't really call those missing either.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: captain-custard on April 27, 2009, 12:57:26 pm
ok thanks every one ...

of the ships that have a non determined fate any names , what class were they etc ....

im still hunting through the wiki and through the game
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Blue Lion on April 27, 2009, 02:37:36 pm
"every ship that wasn't blown up"

Plenty of ships are named once or seen in missions once.

it all kinda depends on when the mod is. If its post FS2 you can pick almost anyone you want. If it's during or before you're a little more constrained (but not really)
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 27, 2009, 03:53:11 pm
If FS1, there was a fleet that disappeared, IIRC.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: karajorma on April 28, 2009, 09:33:28 am
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The Shivan juggernaut Sathanas is now en route to the jump node leading to Terran-Vasudan space. Command ordered all units to rally in Gamma Draconis in three hours' time. Though we have accounted for most of our fleet, at least six warships have failed to reach the rendezvous point. We can wait for them no longer.  The GTVA Security Council has authorized the immediate destruction of the Knossos subspace portal.


Possibility right there. :D
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: captain-custard on April 28, 2009, 09:35:50 am
thanks loads , i guess these are unamed ships so i can add sort of what i want using that this is the sort of thing im looking for , now i just need to work out where all the ships went missing and ...............
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Scotty on April 28, 2009, 06:54:06 pm
Short answer:  The Nebula.  Feel free to go nuts with that.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Aardwolf on April 28, 2009, 11:30:54 pm
I can't remember, was the NTC Alexandria actually said to be destroyed? Or did it just drop off the Grall for no apparent reason?
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Droid803 on April 28, 2009, 11:48:00 pm
I think Snipes mentioned something about the crew piling onto the Grall for whatever reason...not sure...
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: karajorma on April 29, 2009, 06:44:15 am
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"You're lucky we found you, Snipes. What happened out here?"

"The Shivans swarmed us near Gamma Drac, so we made an emergency jump. The rest is history."

"How many survivors?"

"17 of us made it to the transport. The shockwave banged us up pretty bad. Comm and life support were all we had to work with out here."


He doesn't say what the shockwave is from but it's a reasonable assumption that it was the loss of the Alexandria.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Blue Lion on April 29, 2009, 09:02:31 am
I'm not really sure they would leave the capital ship to jump into an Argo deep in Shivan territory just for kicks.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 29, 2009, 09:10:32 am
I'm assuming that the Alexandria was set upon by many Shivans, much like the Trinity. Although the Alexandria managed to hold out for a while, it became apparent that it would not survive the engagement, so everyone made a mad dash for the Grall, which was docked to the cruiser, but only 17 people, including Snipes, made it before the Alexandria's reactor went critical. My guess is that the Grall tried to depart straight away, but the explosion of the Alexandria jarred its engines, so it was probably only capable of making a Hermes-like jump to a random point in the nebula before the engines died.

Wasn't there a discussion quite some time ago concerning which class of cruiser the Alexandria was?
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Mobius on April 29, 2009, 04:34:17 pm
I remember a campaign about the GTVA ships that didn't make it to Gamma Draconis in time when the first Sathanas appeared... I don't remember the campaign's name, though. Was it Desperation?
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Scotty on April 29, 2009, 06:24:19 pm
Hmm, I think I posted an idea about a nebula campaign, and someone linked to that.  However, that's gonna be a few pages back on the missions and campagins forum, under "Idea Feedback."

EDIT: found it

Into the Depths of Hell. (http://www.geocities.com/noiseball2000/itdoh.html)
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 30, 2009, 02:13:37 am
Ahh, ItDoH. That's an excellent mod. It's a pity that Chapter 5 doesn't work.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: ssmit132 on April 30, 2009, 04:54:26 am
so it was probably only capable of making a Hermes-like jump to a random point in the nebula before the engines died.
Snipes mentioned that the navigation buoys were dropped by the Alexandria, so I don't think the Grall managed to make a jump anywhere.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 30, 2009, 07:05:36 am
In that case, it must have broken off the Alexandria and taken massive damage to its subsystems in the process, much like what happened to the GTT Discovery, only that it's an Argo.

I believe the only reasons why the Grall took only 20% hull damage prior to the Skulls finding him is because it wasn't the only target for the Shivans, and that the Shivans were using all the wrong weapons.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: colecampbell666 on April 30, 2009, 07:32:20 am
Do they ever use the right ones?
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 30, 2009, 08:50:52 am
They did in Argonautica and Return to Babel. Basilisks + Hornets = Dead Argo.

However, they used Nahemas with Piranhas in As Lightning Fall. With that kind of pea-shooter, the Argo should survive.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: karajorma on April 30, 2009, 11:43:41 am
I remember a campaign about the GTVA ships that didn't make it to Gamma Draconis in time when the first Sathanas appeared... I don't remember the campaign's name, though. Was it Desperation?

IIRC Desperation was set after the second time the GTVA retreated, not the first.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: captain-custard on April 30, 2009, 11:49:56 am
ive got to say this ... thanks your all a great mine of information this is really helping me
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Mobius on April 30, 2009, 06:27:36 pm
so it was probably only capable of making a Hermes-like jump to a random point in the nebula before the engines died.
Snipes mentioned that the navigation buoys were dropped by the Alexandria, so I don't think the Grall managed to make a jump anywhere.

How about "What was the point in jumping if there were many useful nav buoys in the area?"

Jumping is a risk - you know what's around you when you jump out, but you don't know anything when you jump in. With the nav buoys there, the Grall simply had to wait for an SOC wing.
Title: Re: just need a little info/help
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on April 30, 2009, 10:17:03 pm
Read the post on top of this page, Mobius. :rolleyes: