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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: WMCoolmon on March 23, 2002, 06:27:14 pm
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"Western officials, however, reject any conditions set by Iraq and demand unfettered access to suspected weapons sites. "
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1303384
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We ARE asses...
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You just figured this out now?
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No, just marveling at Bush's assitude. It IS an awesome thing.
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That's why I didn't vote for him
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Doesn't count. After all, who did?;)
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
"Western officials, however, reject any conditions set by Iraq and demand unfettered access to
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1303384
the Surius jump node
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if they really have nothng to hide, they should let us see. by telling us we can't, they are flat out saying that they do have weapons of mass destruction.
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Bush is indeed a complete idiot, but this is one of the few places where I think he (or whoever is in charge) is doing the right thing. Several indications point towards Iraq trying to assemble biochem bombs, one of which is the thing Carl mentioned. ;)
the Surius jump node
There will be no negotiations, Hussein! :D
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... or preserving the illusion that they do, which is really Saddam's only defence against us invading. So long as the US has a slightexcuse to fear him a bit, we won't mess. Only an imbecile would give up his final defence against a foe so clearly intent on destroying him, and whatever Saddam may be, he's no imbecile. Plus, he's showing up Bush for the jackass that he is, and taking advantage of the fact that popular opinion abroad is turning against Bush.
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So what do you think his real plans are? I don't understand your point. :p:D
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I was responding to Carl's post. Not sure who you're talking about, but...
Bush's plan is to invade Iraq, invade Iran, invade any other place that looks weak enough for an easy victory and is convieniently unpopular along the way, and intimidate everyone else into following him unquestioningly. He's a Joe McCarthy for the modern age in every other respect.
Saddam's plan is to survive the next few years and thumb his nose at the US whenever possible.
My plan is to get completely and utterly wasted and die before I reach 40 in some suitably violent and glorious manner.
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I meant Hussein; sorry for any confusion there. ;)
I must say though that Bush reminds me of a gung-ho cowboy who is just going on without thinking first. I agree with trying to get Iraq out of the way, but not with some of his other things.
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i sincerely doubt Bush intends on invading Iran...*cough*oil trade*cough* If Iran is invaded, chances are very good government officials there would rather destroy the oil reserves than let the invaders take it, and there goes another quarter of the world's oil.
Iraq I wont go into.
As for Bush intending on invading all other countries that look like easy victories, are you crazy? Bush is NOT out to start WW III. Cut back on the liquor and rub some common sense into that thing sitting on top of your neck.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
He's a Joe McCarthy for the modern age in every other respect.
He's started hauling American citizens up before a panel and threatening, harassing, browbeating, and cajoling them into admitting to being [members of some unpopular group] or into falsely accusing others of being [members of some unpopular group]?
Somehow I missed that CNN Special Report.
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wasn't there an Alex McCarthy?
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The Iran thing is one of Bush's biggest blunders in my opinion; Iran is a sworn enemy of Iraq and would be a useful ally in a strike against that nation. Politically, Iran still has a long way to go, but it is much better than Iraq and is moving in the right direction.
Also, that "axis of evil" thing simply should not have been said. Even if the three countries did not cooperate earlier, they may ally against the US now since they are united by necessity. The choice of countries was also a bit messy. (Cuba or Pakistan should replace Iran, for instance)
China is also a dangerous country, but they are slowly moving towards a republic and I don't think that the government there will last much longer in its current state. (it will either move slowly towards a democracy or, less likely but possible, be overthrown by the people)
wasn't there an Alex McCarthy?
Yeah, he was the "traitor" in FS1. I wonder if the similarity in the names is just coincidence or not... ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
There will be no negotiations, Hussein! :D
Listen. I can pull my forces out of Rockville... :D
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bah! Leting Saddam get what he wants so a bunch of crap. Sorry but the US could have stopped their attempts to pick at us long ago back when Isreal beat the ever living **** out of those Areab League bastards in the 70's. They put an embargo on us, all we really had to do was cut off all comerical trade since at the time 55% of commerical exports were from the U.S. But no that would be "not very human" would it? "Speak softly, but carry a big stick"
Stumbles around and around and around passes out on floor.
"hey baby, why u taste like dirt?" hmmmmmm you dirty girl. :p
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Originally posted by CP5670
I meant Hussein; sorry for any confusion there. ;)
I must say though that Bush reminds me of a gung-ho cowboy who is just going on without thinking first. I agree with trying to get Iraq out of the way, but not with some of his other things.
He doesn't remind you that, he IS a gung-ho cowboy who is just going on without thinking first.
I read in some poll in the local newspaper that Americans like Donald Rumsfeld because he sais always what he thinks and breaks stuff if he gets angry.
I hope that ain't true, cuz I wouldn't a guy like that within 5 meters of the chair of the Secretary of Defense.
And the Axis of evil stuff...
Man, Bush stepped in a piece of **** this time big.
(Cuba or Pakistan should replace Iran, for instance)
China is also a dangerous country, but they are slowly moving towards a republic and I don't think that the government there will last much longer in its current state. (it will either move slowly towards a democracy or, less likely but possible, be overthrown by the people)
Messing with Pakistan and China right now could be veery dangerous. They aren't right now best friends, so...
We live in dangerous time. Hopefully it'll change after the next election.
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Bush wants to finish what his Dad started, and to hell with the consequences........
In fact, he is his Dad.
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he's also a native texan, and you know what that means....redneck-hillbilly running the nation, anyone else scared?
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Um, an illusion of having weapons of mass destruction would NOT be a defence! The only reason the last war ended was because Allied forces massacred Iraqi forces and Mr Bush was afraid of scenes like the Highway of Death.
If he didnt posses NBC weapons, he'd let the inspectors in and have the sanctions lifted, truth is, he does have them.
Iran, well they are involved in Afganistan, trying to influence the government their. Iran are giving the police forces in Afganistan Iranian made HK clones(brand new), jeeps etc and their is a deeper meaning to this Axis of Evil(classified information most likey). Truth is they know alot more than us.
EDIT: Another reason is this http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1305945
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Originally posted by Zeronet
If he didnt posses NBC weapons, he'd let the inspectors in and have the sanctions lifted, truth is, he does have them.
Iran, well they are involved in Afganistan, trying to influence the government their. Iran are giving the police forces in Afganistan Iranian made HK clones(brand new), jeeps etc and their is a deeper meaning to this Axis of Evil(classified information most likey). Truth is they know alot more than us.
EDIT: Another reason is this http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/world/1305945
Is it right to use what is, in effect, evil measures to destroy evil? Does the end justify the means - especially if the means is a possible nuclear strike - if there are still other measures that can be taken?
I mean, look at the terrorists in Cuba. I know there is no real doubt they are evil and guilty, and deserve to die, but the US - and civillised world - has a justice system based on Innocent until proven Guilty. When that's broken, surely you risk becoming just as bad as the enemy?
The other thing is that Afghanistan has still to be rebuilt. Personally, I think one of the major missions must be to rebuild that country from scratch, above and beyond what the bombing destroyed, to help gain support from the Muslim world.
Possbily we should be looking at ways to reduce the risk of NBC weapons being used, rather than antagonises an unstable dictator who has already used them against his own people. Even if it's only temporary - to creat a window of opportunity - it;s got to be better than the slaughter of innocents, and those who don't have a choice but to fight.
EDIT - it's difficult to criticise Bush's policy without sounding like defending the likes of Iraq and Iran, but I'm trying to make a valid point :)
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Originally posted by LtNarol
he's also a native texan, and you know what that means....redneck-hillbilly running the nation, anyone else scared?
Hey now...not pick on us because we tawk wit our funn'n axcents. I outta goes out there to my bawrn and grab me up the o'l chotgun and mess yo beehind up!
You talkin to me? ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME!?!?!?!
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Is it right to use what is, in effect, evil measures to destroy evil? Does the end justify the means - especially if the means is a possible nuclear strike - if there are still other measures that can be taken?
I mean, look at the terrorists in Cuba. I know there is no real doubt they are evil and guilty, and deserve to die, but the US - and civillised world - has a justice system based on Innocent until proven Guilty. When that's broken, surely you risk becoming just as bad as the enemy?
The other thing is that Afghanistan has still to be rebuilt. Personally, I think one of the major missions must be to rebuild that country from scratch, above and beyond what the bombing destroyed, to help gain support from the Muslim world.
Possbily we should be looking at ways to reduce the risk of NBC weapons being used, rather than antagonises an unstable dictator who has already used them against his own people. Even if it's only temporary - to creat a window of opportunity - it;s got to be better than the slaughter of innocents, and those who don't have a choice but to fight.
EDIT - it's difficult to criticise Bush's policy without sounding like defending the likes of Iraq and Iran, but I'm trying to make a valid point :)
Nukes will never be used against Iraq. Most likey course of action would be air strikes and a full ground invasion. Iraq should of been dealt with a decade ago, people in Iraq thought they'd get support from the US in their civil war, but Bush ran away because he was more worried about votes than what was the right thing to do. The sooner Saddamn is gone, the better.
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Mikhael: if 1100 people arrested without warrant simply because they're ethnically Middle Eastern is something like that, yeah. It got hushed up, but he doesn't even deny that it happened.
If a prominent member of the Cabinet calling anyone who speaks out against said arrests or Bush's policies in general "terrorists" in a publicly-aired speech, yeah. On second thought, he's no McCarthy. He's a budding dicator.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Mikhael: if 1100 people arrested without warrant simply because they're ethnically Middle Eastern is something like that, yeah. It got hushed up, but he doesn't even deny that it happened.
If a prominent member of the Cabinet calling anyone who speaks out against said arrests or Bush's policies in general "terrorists" in a publicly-aired speech, yeah. On second thought, he's no McCarthy. He's a budding dicator.
Exactly.
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Originally posted by LtNarol
he's also a native texan, and you know what that means....redneck-hillbilly running the nation, anyone else scared?
you think i was joking?
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I think that the older Bush made a pretty big mistake by not attempting to take Baghdad completely and capture Hussein back in 1991. They had a good opporunity at that time which they should have taken advantage of.
Do you all think Bush will be elected again in 2004? Public opinion is currently favorable to him (since he was in power during the 9/11 period), but it is going down quite fast.
Listen. I can pull my forces out of Rockville... :D
Pilots, destroy that missile silo! You have your orders. :D
Hey cool, he has forces around here? :D
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bush did rather well under pressure back at 9/11, but now that theres not so much pressure on him, hes doing not so well
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oh BTW:
In fact, he is his Dad.
(http://www.dancingmonica.com/images/image001.jpg)
:D:D
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Originally posted by LtNarol
he's also a native texan, and you know what that means....redneck-hillbilly running the nation, anyone else scared?
Don't be an ass. Although I do hate Texas. It's the ugly, nasty modernized version of Oklahoma, and what I fear Oklahoma might be someday. :( There are some nice people from Texas, but, well remember, Bush was just governor there. They execute more people there than any other state.
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Originally posted by Alikchi
Don't be an ass. Although I do hate Texas. It's the ugly, nasty modernized version of Oklahoma, and what I fear Oklahoma might be someday. :( There are some nice people from Texas, but, well remember, Bush was just governor there. They execute more people there than any other state.
I'm from Texas, yea I don't like Oklahoma either but that is just a thing we have. Anyways, what's wrong with killing ppl in the chair? You kill so and so, you die. :nod:
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Originally posted by CP5670
(http://www.dancingmonica.com/images/image001.jpg)
Nooooooo!!!
I SO want to rip my eyeballs off now. You shouldn't have posted that. It's just plain mean. :lol: :lol:
And I won't comment on the Iraq stuff, or too many people would get mad at me. :p
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Bah- but that's the PROBLEM still! People still think he's a joke!
So long as people fail to take him seriously, he'll remain in power. We're used to having jokes in office. look at the last few- [edit: low blow]. Right now, he can basically do whatever he wants, and he'll be met with mindless fanatic support on the one side and "Aww, ain't he cute?" on the other. It's already happened, and the worst is to come. In fact, I'm beginning to think that his disarming incompetence is the sole reason he was really chosen to run for office, as a mask for his cabinet...
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Originally posted by Styxx
Nooooooo!!!
I SO want to rip my eyeballs off now. You shouldn't have posted that. It's just plain mean. :lol: :lol:
And I won't comment on the Iraq stuff, or too many people would get mad at me. :p
Ditto, ditto, and ditto...
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Originally posted by Setekh
Ditto, ditto, and ditto...
Bah, start making up your own replies, or I'll set my lawyers on you!! :D
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:ha::D
:D:ha:
Which one's better? Left-handed or right-handed?
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Right handed, but it needs a hand. :D :p
ph33r my mad black text writing skillz!
:ha:
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Oh, gimme a break... :D
That smilie took me 30 seconds to add, from upload to CP editing! Not bad! :ha:
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Originally posted by Setekh
That smilie took me 30 seconds to add, from upload to CP editing! Not bad! :ha:
Thirty WHOLE seconds? That's an eternity!! :D
okay, okay, I'll stop complaining...
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
You kill so and so, you die. :nod:
"there are worse things than death kid, and i can do all of them"
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Well, it all depends on how you die... ;)
Btw, Kazan, I tried some rock climbing this weekend - it rulez! I'll have to do it again now... :D
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I am just sooo happy that I am not american and taht I don't live in USA.
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I don't have absolutely nothing against americans, but right now I wouldn't want to live there either...
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For most countries, having two national landmarks destroyed as an act of deffiance by terrorists would make them take stock of why this had happened and realise they shouldn't stick their nose where it doesn't belong. But not America. They ignored the lesson and plunged the world into a 3rd world war, not with Afghanistan but with everyone they decided to pick on once Afghanistan has been crushed, people like Iraq who undoubtedly have many stashed weapons like Agent Orange and Anthrax. Iraq may be wrong in making these weapons but America is just as wrong to threaten Iraq. If left alone, Iraq's neighbours will deal with them when they become a threat, this will unity the middle eat against a common foe and bring stability to the region but no, that is not the way everyone has decided to do things. Stupidity once again reigns supreme and quite frankly, if WWIII does result, the peope whom it strikes down deserve to die for their ignorance and stupidity.
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:wtf: :wtf: I think im actually offended.
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No comment. THIS is why I prefer to distinguish myself from the anti-Amerikan movement as a whole.:rolleyes:
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Why can't we all just live in peace? :nod:
[size=10]LOVE AND PEACE![/size] :yes:
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My eyes!! :D
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I dunno, i wouldnt have a career prospect if that was true, anyhow we do need defence against headz.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I dunno, i wouldnt have a career prospect if that was true, anyhow we do need defence against headz.
Headz?!? :confused:
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Originally posted by Kazan
"there are worse things than death kid, and i can do all of them"
Ummmm,
1. Your not my dad so don't ****ing call me kid.
2. You can do all of them? Ooooo and that is supposed to make us scared?
3. Last time I checked I was taught how to break, disable, and to kill things with just about...well anything, so just because you think some tough ****, shut your damn mouth.
Ok, I'll some this up in four words, I DON'T LIKE YOU!
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
Ummmm,
1. Your not my dad so don't ****ing call me kid.
2. You can do all of them? Ooooo and that is supposed to make us scared?
3. Last time I checked I was taught how to break, disable, and to kill things with just about...well anything, so just because you think some tough ****, shut your damn mouth.
Ok, I'll some this up in four words, I DON'T LIKE YOU!
thats "sum" ^, and kiddo, before you insult Kazan, you should reallize he is one of those big guys up there at the top of the modding food chain. He made the program that made modding practical for the average person, so he has my respect.
(BTW, i was kidding about the "kiddo"):p
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Plus, he said damn little to make you act like a jerk. In fact, scratch jerk, replace with "****". Because that's what you're being. It was a joke, it was by no means intended to be taken literally as a threat, was very clearly NOT so, and your bragging and *****ing just makes you look like the unpleasant person- and when you're being less nice than Kazan, well... :D
[runs away before Kazan can reach him]
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Seriously, when you study history, those Americans do some real bad things sometimes. Well, everyone does, but somehow they seem to stand out. :wtf:
Anyway, has anyone got numbers on the current American population and the percentage of world power (electricity, fossil fuels mostly) they consume? I heard something about some insane ratio between the two but I never pursued it...
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Hey sometimes I like having all the lights on in my house at noon, sue me :D And I don't think we've done anything worse than anyone else really, no countries perfect, no countries evil
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Originally posted by Blue Lion
Hey sometimes I like having all the lights on in my house at noon, sue me :D And I don't think we've done anything worse than anyone else really, no countries perfect, no countries evil
No, I mean really insane...
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o ya, the U.S. has done some pretty bad things worldwide, but what makes it stand out is the fact that it always bullys its way around so that in the end it gets away with all the bad stuff. Other countries seem to just do something bad and then get their rear ends thrown in the fire.
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Originally posted by Setekh
Seriously, when you study history, those Americans do some real bad things sometimes. Well, everyone does, but somehow they seem to stand out. :wtf:
Anyway, has anyone got numbers on the current American population and the percentage of world power (electricity, fossil fuels mostly) they consume? I heard something about some insane ratio between the two but I never pursued it...
Say the US has around 250-300 million. It uses 60% of the oil in the world and has 4-6% of the population of the world.
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uses something around 60-65% of the worlds electricity too
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And produces.....
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Barry Manilow and McDonald's.
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Originally posted by LtNarol
thats "sum" ^, and kiddo, before you insult Kazan, you should reallize he is one of those big guys up there at the top of the modding food chain. He made the program that made modding practical for the average person, so he has my respect.
(BTW, i was kidding about the "kiddo"):p
i dont use pcs
second, i am normally a jerk and i don't brown nose people i find it cowardly. Sorry, but bad day + something that is supposed to be a joke but since it lacks human emotion via lack of speach = stupid rants like mine. I do appoligize to anybody "offended." Including Kazan.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Say the US has around 250-300 million. It uses 60% of the oil in the world and has 4-6% of the population of the world.
Originally posted by LtNarol
uses something around 60-65% of the worlds electricity too
I thought it was something really severe like that. :(
Originally posted by LtNarol
o ya, the U.S. has done some pretty bad things worldwide, but what makes it stand out is the fact that it always bullys its way around so that in the end it gets away with all the bad stuff. Other countries seem to just do something bad and then get their rear ends thrown in the fire.
It's so... it makes me very upset. "The needs of America come first,"... One day, America... well, it's very possible that this nation will swallow the entire world. :(
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I don't think so... they're making a lot of bad moves lately - internally, not even considering external policies. History will tell the true consequences of the 911 attacks...
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Well, everything's coming apart at the seams.
Its only a matter of time before it all falls apart.
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Originally posted by wEvil
Well, everything's coming apart at the seams.
Its only a matter of time before it all falls apart.
That's just what I mean. Dudes, what's going to happen when it all hits the fan?
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it gets chopped up and sprayed everywhere?
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Figured as much. :p
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It all depends on the power of the fan and the strength of the blades, when compared to the density and consistency fo the sh... er, forget it. :p
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Sadly, the US still has a good hundred years of juice left, at the bare minimum. And it's only gonna get worse in that time...
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Sadly, the US still has a good hundred years of juice left, at the bare minimum. And it's only gonna get worse in that time...
Oh, that's just dandy...
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This thread has gone a strange way... :wtf: