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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Setekh on March 24, 2002, 12:52:00 am
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Question for you lot. Should people who own Art Galleries (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/art) here at HLP have avatars (which will link to their galleries)? The avatar will be a global one which I design, and will be awarded to all people who have art galleries. Opinions? :) :yes: :no:
I personally think yes. Some of the art galleries on HLP are so huge and quality-rich - as well as requiring a lot of effort to create - that I think they deserve recognition. Avatars would be an appropriate avenue to award people, methinks. :nod:
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its just like your avatar ;)
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IMO, I'd say once they get to 15-20 renders they get an avatar. There are some art galleries that have 5 or so images in them...there are some people who have made that many and don't have a gallery.
The main reason to make their avatar-ness based on their number of renders? Because it encourages them to make more renders, of course! ;7 :nod: :p
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I voted no but only because I got struck with an idea a while ago and whilst I'm not sure if it could be implemented it might clean up the avatars a lot whilst also being kinda cool...
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Originally posted by Thunder
I voted no but only because I got struck with an idea a while ago and whilst I'm not sure if it could be implemented it might clean up the avatars a lot whilst also being kinda cool...
I'm listening...(just interested)
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What about the people who don't render?
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I've just posted it on the staff forum, depending on how things go we'll ask everyone here...
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
IMO, I'd say once they get to 15-20 renders they get an avatar. There are some art galleries that have 5 or so images in them...there are some people who have made that many and don't have a gallery.
Ah yes... that's more leaning towards negative punishment than positive reinforcement (I know it's not true NP, but it is when compared to just giving them as they come). So, then, what about people who make really really big renders (CB2, for example, or a couple of RoachKoach's pics)? If they've only done five but that counts for 25, is that fair? :)
Turnsky, it's for people who own a gallery. Whether or not you render is a moot point. If you've got the gallery, you'll have the avatar. :)
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One more avatar ? Some people already have enough, I think :nod:
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Originally posted by Setekh
Turnsky, it's for people who own a gallery. Whether or not you render is a moot point. If you've got the gallery, you'll have the avatar. :)
But if you biuld up a really great gallery but not in HLP?
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If you own a gallery thats not on HLP then I don't think so - then it could be argued that we should give Icefire an avatar for BWO although he's not hosted here, all the modellers avatars to say they model but not here... it'd get crazy.
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
But if you biuld up a really great gallery but not in HLP?
T got it in one. It's got to be HLP hosted.
If you have a really great gallery, then why not submit it to us? ;)
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Yeah, I think I have enough avatars...
Unless you want to remove these and put text links below the gallery avatar...
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heheh i didn't even need to submit mine
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Originally posted by Thorn
Yeah, I think I have enough avatars...
Unless you want to remove these and put text links below the gallery avatar...
:lol: yes you sure have enough, but I wouldn't mind one more :D
I should have a robotech one soon, no?
How is the hosting doing btw?
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Originally posted by Setekh
Ah yes... that's more leaning towards negative punishment than positive reinforcement (I know it's not true NP, but it is when compared to just giving them as they come). So, then, what about people who make really really big renders (CB2, for example, or a couple of RoachKoach's pics)? If they've only done five but that counts for 25, is that fair? :)
Turnsky, it's for people who own a gallery. Whether or not you render is a moot point. If you've got the gallery, you'll have the avatar. :)
Well, I originally thought about that but never posted that because it would probably turn into a big if-then statement :o Basically, I'd say that as long as the renders are worth it, toss 'em an avatar :nod:
It's getting to the point where everyone has an avatar, though, lol.
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well its casue most of us have been here so long we can all do soemthing useful so we chip in and help
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I have a comic, does that count for an avatar? (waits for the answer: no) :lol:
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
It's getting to the point where everyone has an avatar, though, lol.
Yessss... our plan is coming to effecttttt.... ;)
Unidan, is it on HLP? If not, then no. :)
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More avatars? Run!
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I think everyone having avatars would be a good sign- all us lazy bastards getting off our arses and earning our keep here.
Wait a minute.
Screw that. Anyway, I vote yes, because they're contributing a hell of a lot more than, say, the Node War people, and we actually can see the fruits of their labors before nobody can run FreeSpace because Windows becomes an obsolete OS.;)
That said, I'm biased because I've had a good long time to prep my stuff for when I can upload again, and it's ALL renders or movies, and I plan fully for it to get a gallery or something. I'd work on TAC, but frankly I think it died again with my computer.:D
On a side note, I think gallery ownership has become a bit... lax in the requirements. If someone can produce 3 renders that beat Steak's, they deserve their own gallery and avatar, and all the attendant glory. If someone produces 30 that look like ****, or they're just another person doing pencil-drawn work and scanning it without even bothering to clean it up in Photoshop (which is all right in some cases but is getting very tiresome, since it seems to account for about half now), they should be put on hold 'till they do something good. Basically, if it falls below the p1mp art line, it shouldn't go, regardless of whether the creator labels it "art" or not.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
On a side note, I think gallery ownership has become a bit... lax in the requirements. If someone can produce 3 renders that beat Steak's, they deserve their own gallery and avatar, and all the attendant glory. If someone produces 30 that look like ****, or they're just another person doing pencil-drawn work and scanning it without even bothering to clean it up in Photoshop (which is all right in some cases but is getting very tiresome, since it seems to account for about half now), they should be put on hold 'till they do something good. Basically, if it falls below the p1mp art line, it shouldn't go, regardless of whether the creator labels it "art" or not.
What he said. But if drawn art is good enough *visions of Deimos bridge comes to mind* then it should be able to get by w/o the cleaning stage. :nod:
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Yeah- I never said THAT. Some things, like that anime-type Herc drawing and a few of the sketches, are good enough to be on the gallery. But many, I daresay most, of the stuff that's on there now is not. I have the decency not to start uploading MY concept art and calling it some thing of beauty that deserves a place up with the Havok renders. I imagine most do. But those with overinflated senses of their own drawing and rendering skills shouldn't be humored too much- I speak from personal experience in saying you'll never get better if you think you're good enough.
Yeah, that was bastardly and discredited my first post. So ignore this one if you like, I just wanted to say it.
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Thanks, Stryke. Opinions noted... I'll leave this open for a little while longer to see if the poll sways anywhere. :)
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The Filibusterer strikes again! :D
Hey... I should make a logo for that...
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
The Filibusterer
raised eyebrow :doubt:
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I believe the smilie you're searching for is (http://www.evilnet.net/~mechwar3d/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif)
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I believe the smilie you're searching for is (http://www.evilnet.net/~mechwar3d/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif)
:lol:!
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I voted no, but it's sort of a conditional no. They should get one if, and only if, the staff decide that the quality is high enough to warrant an avatar.
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Originally posted by Setekh
Unidan, is it on HLP? If not, then no. :)
Nope, in fact it has absoulutely nothing to do with Freespace at all. :D
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
IMO, I'd say once they get to 15-20 renders they get an avatar. There are some art galleries that have 5 or so images in them...there are some people who have made that many and don't have a gallery.
The main reason to make their avatar-ness based on their number of renders? Because it encourages them to make more renders, of course! ;7 :nod: :p
If you knew how long it takes to do completely photoreal scenes then you'd place the required images at about...3?
seriously, everything i feel marginally proud of represents over 20+ hours of work.
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Originally posted by Setekh
:lol:!
Hey, I thought I had trademarked the Smilie followed by exclamation mark™ thing... ;)
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Really? Oh... pardon me... :o
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Originally posted by Setekh
Really? Oh... pardon me... :o
NO! No mercy! Expect a notice from my lawyers tomorrow morning. :D
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Er... yeah. I'd think the concept of a numerical minimun kinda defeated the purpose of having galleries. After all, I can produce 2 dozen piece-of-**** renders on a good vacation week, or one really good one involving multiple render-quality models, etc.
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Hm, I thought they said you don't need a minimum...
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How about this: if the staff has deemed an art collection worthy of a gallery at HLP, the creator of said art should have an avatar. Plain and simple. :D
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Sounds good to me...
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Originally posted by sandwich
How about this: if the staff has deemed an art collection worthy of a gallery at HLP, the creator of said art should have an avatar. Plain and simple. :D
:nod:
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And how would you feel if everyone said "no that's not good enough!"? I'd be fairly pissed off myself :nod:
(just offering balance...)
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Originally posted by Thunder
And how would you feel if everyone said "no that's not good enough!"? I'd be fairly pissed off myself :nod:
(just offering balance...)
Ok then, how do you guys hand out art galleries now, hmmm? Well, keep on doing it, but just assign an avatar to those with a gallery. :nod:
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Good point - but if wegave out avatars to everyone with a suitable HLP gallery that wasn't hosted by us then they could easily say "host my art gallery" and we'd have to oblige them under our own rules (not that we wouldn't want to host them but you know what I mean...).
Personally I think if it's not on HLP you shouldn't really get an avatar for it - or else everyone could argue they deserve an avatar for something and there'd be no end of madness :nod:
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Originally posted by Thunder
and there'd be no end of madness :nod:
There's plenty of THAT around as it is ;7
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Well, you should define some criteria, indeed. I just can't think of any that would be completely fair, and that's why my first reply was "More avatars! Run!!"... :D
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i want a chicken avatar :p
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Originally posted by wEvil
i want a chicken avatar :p
:wtf:
Riiiiiiiiight...
:wtf:
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trust me there IS a reason ;7
(theres six of them in my front garden)
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Originally posted by Thunder
Good point - but if wegave out avatars to everyone with a suitable HLP gallery that wasn't hosted by us then they could easily say "host my art gallery" and we'd have to oblige them under our own rules (not that we wouldn't want to host them but you know what I mean...).
Personally I think if it's not on HLP you shouldn't really get an avatar for it - or else everyone could argue they deserve an avatar for something and there'd be no end of madness :nod:
Who's talking about galleries outside of HLP? For them maybe you could link their title, if they have one, to their page. But keep the image-based avatar-ing limited to HLP-hosted galleries.
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Originally posted by sandwich
How about this: if the staff has deemed an art collection worthy of a gallery at HLP, the creator of said art should have an avatar. Plain and simple. :D
Seemed like you were talking about giving all "HLP worthy" gallery owners an avatar dude, did I mis-understand? :nod:
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Originally posted by Thunder
Seemed like you were talking about giving all "HLP worthy" gallery owners an avatar dude, did I mis-understand? :nod:
Ummm, perhaps... Mr. X has a gallery hosted on GeoCities or something. That's nice, but it ain't on HLP, therefore, no avatar.
Mr. Y has nice renders, but no gallery. HLP decides to give himm his own HLP art gallery. Therefore, Mr. Y should have an avatar.
Or look at wEvil: his work is outstanding, but he has his own gallery. So no avatar. But if he were to submit a few of his more relevant renders to HLP for hosting, or if HLP decided on opening up a gallery for him, he would get an avatar.
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Thunder: it was about a month before people started really making fun of me for my work. I wasn't particularly offended, and you have no idea the good it did as far as mod quality goes...:D
HLP isn't just a place to make people feel good. When I came here, people posted under the strict understanding that people would be ruthless in their judgements of second-rate work. Complimenting everything and pampering the semicompetent makes all the nice things you have to say absolutely worthless to everyone, including in the eyes of the creator, insults their intelligence and emotional stability, and moreover denies them the ability to improve their work based on constructive criticism, which is one of the most valuable things this forum has (quickly becoming a had, now) to offer.
Lots of people here are clever, more or less skilled in modeling, and willing to learn. You do them no service by saying "well... this and this could be improved a bit, but overall it's good enough- you deserve a gallery for your genius!" You do us no service by making us sift through the same dozen semiskilled sketches 50 times to find something we like. You do the community no service by allowing everyone's abilities to stagnate in the absence of something to aspire to. Having a gallery should be one of the most prestigious honors that can be bestowed in HLP, not just something that's tossed to every yahoo with a pencil and a scanner or TrueSpace. If they're willing to do work, but not yet good at renders, put them in their place, give them all the advice they should need ('S what we've got a full complement of semiprofessional 3D artists here for, no?), and get them to do better. When they can do something that earns genuine admiration, they get a gallery. If they continue to suck, they can try and start a campaign, something that can be enjoyable no matter how bad the head is at modeling, rendering, or drawing. Sound fair?
It is time for us to join together and end the iron reign of "not bad"! SEMISKILLED RENDERERS OF THE HLP, UNITE!
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My opinion:
If they have an art gallery on HLP, give 'em a generic "Art hosted on HLP" avatar. Example: Carl, Setekh.
If they have something cool that's not on HLP, give them a title. Example: Mikhael (404 Error).
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Actually it's looking like we may have found a way to do this that'll be good for everyone and kinda cool at the same time... more on that later though :nod:
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
You do the community no service by allowing everyone's abilities to stagnate in the absence of something to aspire to. Having a gallery should be one of the most prestigious honors that can be bestowed in HLP, not just something that's tossed to every yahoo with a pencil and a scanner or TrueSpace.
Wow - for once, I find myself in complete agreement with Stryke 9! :jaw:
Originally posted by Thunder
Actually it's looking like we may have found a way to do this that'll be good for everyone and kinda cool at the same time... more on that later though :nod:
8)
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Originally posted by sandwich
8)
You don't like it. :p :(
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Originally posted by Setekh
You don't like it. :p :(
?? What are you talking about? 8) is the same as :cool: - a smiley with sunglasses. :D
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Steak! More work for ya! :D
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Originally posted by sandwich
?? What are you talking about? 8) is the same as :cool: - a smiley with sunglasses. :D
I meant what you said on ICQ; never mind.. :o
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Originally posted by Setekh
I meant what you said on ICQ; never mind.. :o
Bah - I was simply confused and we both know it! After all, you showed me these numbers and said they were the new avatars... I was like, "Huh?" :p ;)
But now that you've explained the idea, I leik! :D :lol:
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Originally posted by sandwich
Bah - I was simply confused and we both know it! After all, you showed me these numbers and said they were the new avatars... I was like, "Huh?" :p ;)
But now that you've explained the idea, I leik! :D :lol:
Okay, okay... :) tragedy averted, then... *backs away from cliff* :D
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Bah, you and your ICQ conversations. When I find Setekh online, he's alsmost always in a zombie state because of sleep deprivation... he still didn't learn the secret Styxx technique for staying awake for several days straight, obviously...
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Well, I think that the numbers say it all...the people have spoken and they want avatars!
Here's a slightly OT question but anyway: Why doesn't machina terra have an avatar?
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Originally posted by Styxx
Bah, you and your ICQ conversations. When I find Setekh online, he's alsmost always in a zombie state because of sleep deprivation... he still didn't learn the secret Styxx technique for staying awake for several days straight, obviously...
No, it's because he's always talking to me 'till the wee hours of the night. :p
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Originally posted by Corsair
Here's a slightly OT question but anyway: Why doesn't machina terra have an avatar?
Because we don't host them...
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Originally posted by Styxx
Bah, you and your ICQ conversations. When I find Setekh online, he's alsmost always in a zombie state because of sleep deprivation... he still didn't learn the secret Styxx technique for staying awake for several days straight, obviously...
It's true, though... by the time you find me, I'm way too tired. Time zones, I say - time zones! :) Really, I'm sorry... I'll try and deprive myself of sleep less in future so I can catch you in a more lively state...
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Bah, all that because some freaks decided that it would be cooler if the Earth was round instead of flat. Silly people. :p and don't worry about it, I already pester you enough right now... =D
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Originally posted by Setekh
It's true, though... by the time you find me, I'm way too tired. Time zones, I say - time zones! :) Really, I'm sorry... I'll try and deprive myself of sleep less in future so I can catch you in a more lively state...
Its the opposite with me, I get you just as I'm going to sleep.
I sometimes catch you when I get up, but then youre going to sleep :p
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Originally posted by CobaltStarr
Because we don't host them...
But...but...but the FORUMS!
Oh and nice avatar Cobalt!
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Art avatars are in. I almost forgot about them. ;) Okay, Styxx - deal. Hopefully, this Easter weekend, though, I'll be able to catch you after you get back from work, since I won't have to wake up on Monday. ;-)
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Originally posted by Corsair
But...but...but the FORUMS!
Oh and nice avatar Cobalt!
Yeah, but there site is elsewhere... so... :)
And thanks! :D
Originally posted by Setekh
Art avatars are in. I almost forgot about them. ;)
And because of this I took the liberty of closing the poll... :)