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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on May 06, 2009, 09:12:16 pm
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http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58519
3D Realms shut down because of lack of funds.
Pardon me if I'm not coloured surprised, to have funds, you kind of need a product that people can give you money for....
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http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58519
3D Realms shut down because of lack of funds.
Pardon me if I'm not coloured surprised, to have funds, you kind of need a product that people can give you money for....
Enough with your capitalist dogma. Duke Nukem is ETERNAL.
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Now that's hysterical.
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http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58519
3D Realms shut down because of lack of funds.
Pardon me if I'm not coloured surprised, to have funds, you kind of need a product that people can give you money for....
Enough with your capitalist dogma. Duke Nukem is ETERNAL.
Will be now, the greatest game that never was, it'll be up there with the Beatles 'lost' single, Shakespeares 'Love's Labours Won', and Beethoven's lost symphony ;)
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Oh wow....awesome. Horrible for the folks involed I guess...but what exactly have they been doing all this time.
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Oh wow....awesome. Horrible for the folks involed I guess...but what exactly have they been doing all this time.
My guess? Obsessing over trying to keep up with the technological Joneses. Much like a lot of Freespace mods here get stuck doing...
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Yup, that's my impression too, the longer it took, the more technology advanced, the more technology advanced, the more work was needed to make it 'worth the wait'. Endless circle.
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I was kind of hoping to actually see the game come out some day. I loved D3D. :(
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Trust me, it'll be better in your heart than it ever would have been on screen, kind of like FS3 in that respect ;)
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Crossposting this from the SA forums. Channel_F was an employee at 3DR. Based on his account of things, it's no wonder development was a mess.
The typical work flow there went something like this:
Designer would be assigned a task (build a new map, rebuild an old map, polish a bit of a map, etc.). Designer would work on said task for two, three weeks, a month, all the while lower management would be looking over it and making sure it was going in a "good general direction." Designer would move on to another task. A month or two later upper management would finally look at the work and say, "It's all wrong, do it again." Rinse, repeat.
Entire maps would be done from the ground up, almost to beta quality, and then thrown out simply because no one would make decisions early on in the process. (Read up on Valve's 'orange box' method of design -- that's how you make games)
Another example of WTF is the fact that there was one part of one map that was being worked on before I started working there. Nineteen months later and the same designer was still working on the same part of that same map... I'm not blaming the designer, it wasn't his fault.
I think the biggest problem that the company had in general is being self-funded. When you're a developer working directly with a publisher and you have milestones to meet it's a whole different ballgame. If you don't meet those milestones, you don't get any money. That right there will keep your project on schedule. If, however, you're funding it yourself, you don't really have anyone to answer to except yourself and you can quickly lose sight of just how much money is going out the door.
I don't share the cynicism of those who say they're not surprised by this. It's the recession that put the nail in the coffin, more than likely.
I was never a fan of this series, but I'd have bought it along with everyone else if it had ever seen release. The title became almost mythical. It's a hell of a shame to see it end like this.
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exactly. A shame.
Also, 3D Realms was working on Prey 2, the first was awesome!
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Good riddance. Now those who actually had development and social skills can actively look for a new job. The guys who screwed up everything can continue licking their fingers and look for new jobs OUTSIDE the gaming industry.
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Also, 3D Realms was working on Prey 2, the first was awesome!
Human Head Studios made Prey. 3DR only produced it. I don't know who's developing Prey 2, though.
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Good riddance. Now those who actually had development and social skills can actively look for a new job. The guys who screwed up everything can continue licking their fingers and look for new jobs OUTSIDE the gaming industry.
Hey, you can make awesome stuff without good social skills! >C
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Hey, you can make awesome stuff without good social skills! >C
You need social skills to be able to work as a team.
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I'm actually really, really bummed out about this.
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Hey, you can make awesome stuff without good social skills! >C
You need social skills to be able to work as a team.
Oh, those social skills.
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But...but now what will we use as a reference point for "it'll never happen"? I feel so...lost. :(
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But...but now what will we use as a reference point for "it'll never happen"? I feel so...lost. :(
Limbo of the Lost 2
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As much as it is a shame, to be honest, I'm amazed it went on as long as it did, especially if all the bickering was over Media, not code, then it's even more ironic that it all fell flat on its' face.
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Oh wow....awesome. Horrible for the folks involed I guess...but what exactly have they been doing all this time.
This. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsrpqUL93aI)
[19:34] <an0n> Does this make Duke Nukem Forever more or less likely?
[19:34] <an0n> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8037688.stm
[19:35] <Fury`> old news :p
[20:01] <Androgeos> So 3D Realms is gone. Pretty sudden.
[20:02] <maelstrom0511> yep
[20:04] <Androgeos> You would think that, if they were shutting down, they would crash and burn instead of just puffing out like a lighted matchstick on a windy day.
[20:05] -->| Darius ([email protected]) has joined #hard-light
[20:05] <ShadowGorrath> JIHAD
[20:05] <ShadowGorrath> Er.. Hi
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LOL!!!
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But...but now what will we use as a reference point for "it'll never happen"? I feel so...lost. :(
BWO :nervous: :p
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This is an interesting read, really hope it isn't actually true: http://gamingisstupid.com/2009/05/06/the-chair-story-revival/
Makes fun reading though.
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This really blows, (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8037688.stm) especially since they were actually making progress with DNF, and after seeing the trailer a couple years ago or so I was really looking forward to it.
Guardian newspaper games writer Steve Boxer said it was astonishing 3D Realms had not finished the game after more than a decade of development.
"It would have been nice to see another Duke Nukem game, but given they had more than 12 years it's just incompetence of the highest order.
"3D Realms made some great games in the past, but they got overtaken by the 21st Century.
"Sadly, Duke Nukem Forever was the most aptly named title in the history of games. Now, it's just Duke Nukem Never."
Lame, but true. :hopping: :hopping: :mad: :mad: :mad:
In a posting on Twitter, Apogee Software said it was "officially not affected by the situation at 3DRealms".
"Development of the Duke Nukem Trilogy is continuing as planned and further announcements about upcoming games will be made in the near future," the statement added.
I thought Apogee was 3d realms?????? :confused:
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BWO :nervous: :p
Heh. Actually, BWO is in fairly decent shape.
This made me think of something. Of all the major campaigns that claimed they would be released before DNF concluded development, ST:R is the only one for which that claim holds true. :D
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Well looks like I don't have to make JAD4Ever then...
Yessss....
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Well looks like I don't have to make JAD4Ever then...
Yessss....
No but you still need to make your Barney one......
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Well looks like I don't have to make JAD4Ever then...
Well, you need to start it, at the very least. First in FS1, before you scrap everything and move to retail FS2, before you scrap everything again and start it in an old FSO build, before you scrap it all again and move to a newer FSO build.... Since your self-imposed gag order will prevent you from engaging in any kind of human interaction, you'll have to stay in your home, until the project is finished, so by the time you realize it's time to cancel the stupid thing, you'll have been declared legally dead.
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Then you can release from BEYOOOOND THE GRAAAAAVE!
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Well, not many people are pressing for JAD4Ever, Axem. Most of us are just waiting ever so patiently to see if it can get through the fire and the flames of procrastination and feature creeping.
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This is what I cant understand, 12 years doing nothing, how can they not have closed sooner? Do the people paying these guys like to throw money away? Look, if a game is taking more than 6 years to get done then something is wrong but 12? Then you know they just arent giving a damn.
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I don't think the problem was people not giving a damn so much as people giving entirely too much of a damn about things they should have let be considered final.
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As has been mentioned before, this is the other end of the scale, most developers suffer because they are faced with time limits that mean they have to rush the project, and produce an under-par offering, in this case, there was too much time and feature creep, combined with an obsession with getting everything 'perfect' without even being certain what the standards for 'perfect' were did the damage.
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I doubt we have heard the full story of 3DRealms going down yet.
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Also, the chair story appears to be fiction, or actually an answer to rumors that spread around back then about Duke Nukem being conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, the sarcastic notes around the quote have been left out.
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I'm thinking along the lines of Flipside. After being in development for over a decade, you can't help but wonder if DNF was deliberately being held in development so that it can become the most modern game ever made (which is impossible given the increasing levels of realism every couple of years or so).
A few days ago, I was watching the 2001 DNF trailer on YouTube, and some of the users who commented said that the 2001 incarnation would still be a match for GTA4 despite it being dated.
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After 12 years they should have realised that most of their fans who still play computer games are now retro fans who don't care much about graphics anyway and just released the damn thing. :p
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Indeed. Duke Nukem is a lot like Metal Slug. Both games simply involve lots of stuff blowing up, lots of violence (animated in DN, cartoon in MS) and many shout-outs and catch phrases ("That's one DOOMed space marine" and "I ain't afraid of no Quake" in DN and stock screams and "MISSION ALL OVER!" in MS as examples).
I honestly felt that DNF in 2001 was amazing enough for it to be released, and yeah, most of Duke's fans grew up in that era where the sound system was crap and game graphics were even crappier. I spent most of my childhood playing the slightly better stuff (which explains why I use DOSBox).
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I honestly felt that DNF in 2001 was amazing enough for it to be released,
I remember seeing the trailer and wonder "why dont these guys release it?" Dated graphics don't matter as much when gameplay is totally awesome.
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Just because they have enough content for a trailer doesn't mean the game is finished. It was likely still at least six to twelve months from completion even if they had decided to stick with that incarnation.
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Six to twelve months for DNF to be release would still have been shorter than eight years and not getting anything.
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just a reminder for those making campaigns, and Duke Nukem Fornever of course...
The Race to the Moon took less time between announcement and completion than it took DNF to not be finished.
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Just so everyone knows, the 2001 trailer was entirely scripted. Not an ounce was real gameplay.
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Just so everyone knows, the 2001 trailer was entirely scripted. Not an ounce was real gameplay.
Really? If it is, is the 2008 teaser scripted too?
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I have seen the quote saying that there never was any game but a scripted teaser in 2001 countered by 3D Realms that the guy who wrote the text was not working at 3D Realms any more. They say it was actually in game.
Also, God damnit
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YLHALVVM
This is a demo reel of the game... found via 3D Realms forums.
Mika
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I note the video has been spawned around the web already.
All in all, it really seems like Duke Nukem, at least. Giving middle finger to a mothership (?), ripping a horn off and *****slapping twenty times larger alien than yourself...
Yeah, it really looks like fun
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very very sad.
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I couldn't make out the captcha letters in that Megaupload link, so I don't know if this is same; http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/316675.html
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Damn I love the Megadeth remix of Grabbag.
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an now EX-animator of 3D Realms posted this to present his work to a possible future employer.
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At least the last two days have been relatively entertaining. I think I'll start amassing those PWNED! photos... for later use.
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http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/plat_shop.asp?platform=PCS
Somebody hasn't been told methinks. Look at the "Hot Pre-Orders" list.
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It takes a while for the news to spread, Demitri. They'll be notified sooner or later.
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It takes a while for the news to spread, Demitri. They'll be notified sooner or later.
I know, just amused me is all.
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http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6209901.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6209901
Here's to the next 12 years....
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20 million it says? If this keeps up production of this game will be the cost of a contract to develop a new aircraft. :rolleyes:
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Never?
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Sweet merciful crap...
I was in a conversation that had to do with Duke and Halo yesterday...
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STANDBY
Some stuborn idiot still wants to keep the license instead of giving it to for example Take2 so sb else could finally finish it.
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From the article Flipside linked to:
Take-Two made a last-minute proposal to acquire the Duke Nukem franchise and the 3DR development team. Take-Two's proposal was unacceptable to 3DR for many reasons, including [...] no guarantee to complete the DNF game.
:lol:
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well, IGN didn't write that. :lol:
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Judging from what I read the whole thing goes like this
1) Take Two give 3DR $12m to make Duke Nukem.
2) 3DR piss it up the wall.
3) 3DR say they're going bankrupt and won't deliver Duke Nukem.
4) Take Two say they'll sue 3DR for not delivering the game.
5) 3DR say they aren't bankrupt after all.
:lol:
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I wonder how stupid that Take2 boss was to sign a contract like this.
12M for the publishing rights for Duke, no time limit, no safeties, just a when it's done (ever, maybe).
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ZP reviews DNF :wtf::
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/748-Duke-Nukem-Forever (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/748-Duke-Nukem-Forever)
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Saw that yesterday. I am now sad I can't play a game that integrates shooting terrorists and Cooking Mama seamlessly.
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Saw that yesterday. I am now sad I can't play a game that integrates shooting terrorists and Cooking Mama seamlessly.
i think its the best one he's done sinc SSBB
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It's not dead yet.
3D Realms says that it requested $6 million to "cover the costs to complete both the Xbox 360 and PC versions" of the notoriously long-in-development title, with Take-Two supposedly agreeing to this amount. However, Take-Two lowered the amount of $5 million, and, "at the last minute (on April 22 [2009])" further lowered it to $2.5 million.
This coincides with 3D Realms' previous statement that Take-Two "materially changed the parameters of the proposed funding agreement" into something 3D Realms could not "financially afford," with 3D Realms then rejecting an "unacceptable" proposal Take-Two made for the franchise and development team.
3D Realms adds that Take-Two couldn't have been "unsure of the development progress" for the game, as Take-Two claimed in its filing, because Take-Two "stated it was impressed with the gameplay and pleased with the development progress on the game" when 3D Realms visited the company in April 2009.
The negotiations ceased on May 1, 2009, according to 3D Realms, with the company laying off "most of the DNF game development team" a few days later on May 6. 3D Realms claims that "Take-Two was fully aware this was going to happen weeks before this date is a funding agreement was not reached."
Surprisingly, 3D Realms explicitly notes that it continues to work on "the development of" Duke Nukem Forever, though "it released the majority of its employees working on the development" because of a "lack of funding to sustain the high level of development."
"[3D Realms/Apogee Ltd.] admits that it has continually worked on the development of the DNF for many years, and continues to do so," reads the specific clause.
3d Realms is also countersueing Take-Two for halting the development of "Duke Begins"
The new effort, titled "Duke Begins," was part of the October 2007 Agreement that saw Take-Two provide 3D Realms with $2.5 million. That sum was paid July 2008 in order to "help fund the development of the DNF game," with 3D Realms having previously said the money was "in connection with another agreement for an unannounced game."
The Take-Two-published Duke Begins was slated for release by mid-2010, with development set to begin within 2 months of the October 2007 agreement and 3D Realms stating that it needed to approve "any changes to that [development] schedule."
"All development work by the third-party game developer" on Duke Begins was halted in April 2009, 3D Realms claims "upon information and belief." However, 3D Realms says that "Take-Two...simply denied [the stoppage]," with a later letter to Take-Two VP Dan Emereson regarding the game's status said to have been "ignored."
As 3DR believes that Duke Begins "has been delayed by 12 months or longer," the company says that the push has harmed both 3DR and the Duke franchise, and will "delay any royalty payments...from sales of the Duke Begins game and prevent Apogee from being able to repay the [$2.5 million] advance when it becomes due in 2012."
Furthermore, 3D Realms believes that Take-Two is "taking such actions with a goal of pressuring [3D Realms/Apogee Ltd.] to sell the Duke Nukem franchise rights to Take-Two for less than their true value."
Since 3DR was not consulted regarding its perceived delay of Duke Begins, the company accuses Take-Two of breaching the October 2007 contract, and is demanding a jury trial, with damages believed to "be far in excess of $75,000, excluding interest and costs, including lost royalties and damage to the Duke Nukem franchise rights."
Full article here. http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1154 (http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1154)
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Heh. I thought this might happen; it's like some sort of karmic inertia. It's been in development so long, it can never die. :D
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The Un Cancelled.
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Heh. I thought this might happen; it's like some sort of karmic inertia. It's been in development so long, it can never die. :D
That would make the joke title "Duke Nukem Forever (in Development)" sound valid. :drevil:
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Its a shame though
I remember seeing that trailer in 2000, it looked deadly!!!!!!
Talk about trying to create perfection
They took it too far.
re-design, new design, re-design, new design, frakin hell!!!!
Looks like its now up to the modders on the web to create their own version of it!
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And be sued by either Take-Two or 3D Realms? No way. Remember Descent 4?
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And be sued by either Take-Two or 3D Realms? No way. Remember Descent 4?
Ah, where there is a will, there is a way!
Dont call it Duke Nukem, but Nukem Duke or something :drevil: Similiar voice and style, like the way your cheap Aldi store rips off Cadburys