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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on May 21, 2009, 11:13:03 pm
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Has come out with an appearently non-peer reviewed study saying GM food proved to be bad in tests with lab rats (http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html)
Any thoughts?
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an appearently [sic] non-peer reviewed study
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I have a non peer reviewed study that says GM food gave me super powers.
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I invented cold fusion! :D
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Without peer review this study isn't worth wiping my arse with.
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Eh, what ever problems they have now will be fixed eventually. GM are usually subjected to scrupulous testing for about a decade or so before they can be considered safe for human consumption.
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Well someone else have found some other studies that evidently were published in journals, can anyone verify how good they (the journals) are?
Irina Ermakova, “Genetically modified soy leads to the decrease of weight and high mortality of rat pups of the first generation. Preliminary studies,” Ecosinform 1 (2006): 4–9.
M. Malatesta, C. Caporaloni, S. Gavaudan, M. B. Rocchi, S. Serafini, C. Tiberi, G. Gazzanelli, “Ultrastructural Morphometrical and Immunocytochemical Analyses of Hepatocyte Nuclei from Mice Fed on Genetically Modified Soybean,” Cell Struct Funct. 27 (2002): 173–180
Malatesta, et al, “Ultrastructural Analysis of Pancreatic Acinar Cells from Mice Fed on Genetically modified Soybean,” J Anat. 2002 November; 201(5): 409–415; see also M. Malatesta, M. Biggiogera, E. Manuali, M. B. L. Rocchi, B. Baldelli, G. Gazzanelli, “Fine Structural Analyses of Pancreatic Acinar Cell Nuclei from Mice Fed on GM Soybean,” Eur J Histochem 47 (2003): 385–388.
L. Vecchio et al, “Ultrastructural Analysis of Testes from Mice Fed on Genetically Modified Soybean,” European Journal of Histochemistry 48, no. 4 (Oct–Dec 2004):449–454.
Nagui H. Fares, Adel K. El-Sayed, “Fine Structural Changes in the Ileum of Mice Fed on Endotoxin Treated Potatoes and Transgenic Potatoes,” Natural Toxins 6, no. 6 (1998): 219–233.
R. Tudisco, P. Lombardi, F. Bovera, D. d’Angelo, M. I. Cutrignelli, V. Mastellone, V. Terzi, L. Avallone, F. Infascelli, “Genetically Modified Soya Bean in Rabbit Feeding: Detection of DNA Fragments and Evaluation of Metabolic Effects by Enzymatic Analysis,” Animal Science 82 (2006): 193–199.
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frakking hippies
GM food is the future.
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Where's MP Ryan? I'm sure he could verify whether or not those sources provided are the real deal.
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Right here.
I read this...
This technology is also referred to as "genetic engineering", "biotechnology" or "recombinant DNA technology" and consists of randomly inserting genetic fragments of DNA from one organism to another, usually from a different species.
...and didn't bother reading any further initially. That generalization alone tells me the authors have a poor understanding of the subject material.
Skimming through their sources, I see a Lancet and Royal Society of Medicine, but nothing else noteworthy. Most of them deal exclusively with specific rat and mouse strains, so I would take all the findings with a significant grain of salt - especially as their findings deal specifically with the immune system and hormone regulation. While mice make good general biological models for humans, specifics don't usually carry over directly. Our immune and digestive systems are sufficiently different to inject a healthy dose of skepticism.
This paper reads like an opinion piece sprinkled with citations (none of which actually cite anything, you might notice, but take generalizations from entire papers) to make it look like science. And citing books? Please. Give me reproducible facts or STFU, thanks.
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That's what I figured. Thanks. So I take it the other stuff in my previous post is also bunk?
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Isn't recombinant DNA the way they changed people in the Maximum Ride series? (Not a question)
Does it actually work like in those books? (Question)
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Isn't recombinant DNA the way they changed people in the Maximum Ride series? (Not a question)
Does it actually work like in those books? (Question)
I'm not familiar with the books. However, as a general rule, anything in books, movies, or television that references DNA and/or genetics is usually base VERY loosely on actual science. The only recent movie I've seen that actually used genetics in a realistic way was I Am Legend, actually. Though it has problems too.
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That's what I figured. Thanks. So I take it the other stuff in my previous post is also bunk?
Link me. If it wasn't in this thread I probably missed it.
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However, as a general rule, anything in books, movies, or television that references DNA and/or genetics is usually base VERY loosely on actual science.
That goes double for anything regarding coding or computers. (see: CSI <City Name>/Las Vegas/Swordfish/Generic Eye-Candy II)
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That's what I figured. Thanks. So I take it the other stuff in my previous post is also bunk?
Link me. If it wasn't in this thread I probably missed it.
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,63239.msg1247798.html#msg1247798
Someone sent me that list, but I don't know how good any of it is.
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,63239.msg1247798.html#msg1247798
Someone sent me that list, but I don't know how good any of it is.
They're all peer-reviewed journals, but there aren't any big names there. The only one I don't recognize is Ecosinform. Also, none of them are more recent than 2006. The field has seen several advances since then, in particular ease of non-random insertion.