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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rick James on May 26, 2009, 01:30:31 pm
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Clicky. (http://digg.com/politics/Interrogator_to_Cheney_Torture_Cost_Thousands_of_Lives)
"And remember--one of Al Qaeda's goals is not just to attack the United States, it's to prove that we're hypocrites. That we don't live up to American principles. So when we use torture and abuse we're playing directly into one of their stated goals."
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Awesome. Bookmarking.
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There are dozens of reasons to not use torture techniques in interrogation as the United States of America.
However, the former vice president seems to think he knows something we don't as to why torture has been productive for the war effort in Iraq and protection of America and American interests at home and abroad. Because I don't think he'd go to all the trouble to repeatedly say that unless he meant it, I'll wait until Obama decides to declassify whatever absolving documents Cheney is hoping he will until I agree that torture has cost more American lives than its saved (regardless of the techniques' moral or legal credibility.)
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I have my doubts he actually does know something at this point; certainly he believes it, and perhaps even because has to believe it or he won't sleep at night. However the man operated as a more or less seperate entity from the main adminstration since at least 2005. (Reading The War Within is an enlightening experience if you can digest the sheer mass of detail.) I don't think he actually knows anything because he didn't have his finger on the pulse of the organization he was theoritically part of; he was out of touch, distant, trying to play some kind of gray eminence. Nobody in the adminstration knew what he was telling the president and it's doubtful he knew what they were telling the president either.
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Former VP Cheney was definitely pushed a bit out of the loop after the 2004 election. But most the policies Cheney is defending took place in 02-03, when he had the greatest influence. Certainly he's speaking out to save a bit of face and defend some of the administration's (and his own personal) decisions. Which is why I'm really ****ing curious to know what potentially Jack Bauer-esque disasters he was able to avert by ****ting on our nation's integrity. The problem is, declassifying those memos would be even more retarded than the ones Obama already did.
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Hasn't Dick Cheney realized by now, that, golly, I don't know...
...that people hate him? That maybe the best thing he can do for himself is shut the hell up and disappear?
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Hasn't Dick Cheney realized by now, that, golly, I don't know...
...that people hate him? That maybe the best thing he can do for himself is shut the hell up and disappear?
One does wonder about that. I mean, I think that even the majority of Bush supporters generally disliked him, if not outright hated him.
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I want to know more about this - I don't think Cheney would allow torture and such to go on just for the hell of it, which is what most people I've talked to have made it seem like.