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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: delta_7890 on March 28, 2002, 02:46:22 pm
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It sucks, and it was made in photoshop, but it was a good seven minute effort.
http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/First.jpg
Just thought I'd show here, mostly to declare that I *am* interested in rendering, and want to know just what I'll need (besides TS, I *will* not use that piece of garbage!) to do the job.
Note: copy and paste the link. Damn these free website hots that don't allow remote linking!
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Heh - link worked for me. :D
As for the render, I like it, actually. Especially the blurry effect on the F22 - makes it look more realistic. :)
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Could be bigger, but otherwise :yes:
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lasso, copy, paste, render clouds, lens flare :D
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Originally posted by Carl
lasso, copy, paste, render clouds, lens flare :D
lasso?? quit living in the past! magic wand 0wnz jo0!
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magic wand is the messy, sometimes difficult way to do it.
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i use PS (graphic designer) all thime and i have to agree with carl
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Heh, you should talk to OneRedPanther over at the Relic Forums (http://forums.relicnews.com) Carl, hes pretty good with PS (and thats putting it mildly)..
He also seems to think lens flares are evil...
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Lens flares are evil and have no place in 3d modelling. Being that lensflares are caused by minute imperfections in the lens of real world cameras, there is no reason to include them in a 3d render. Besides that, every 2bit hack on the planet overuses lensflares to distract from their lack of modelling/rendering/lighting talent.
Of course, I dont' really believe that. I like good lensflares, but I don't use them to cover my lack of talent. I REVEL in my lack of modelling/rendering/lighting talent. :D
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Well, as I said, I suck. :D Thanks for the feedback, and as for the process, carl hit the nail on the head. Magic Wand is indeed very messy. Lasso is far eaiser IMO. Anywho, that's not the point. I'd like to know what programs to get to start pumping out renders like the Great Setekh! ( Hey, I spelled it right I think! )
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I could never get the magic wand to work right when I used PS...
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i use PS (graphic designer) all thime and i have to agree with carl
yeah same here (except that I am a PSP guy); the magic wand does not work too well for me when precision is required. I actually sometimes edit individual pixel colors to get an image perfect. :D
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Good render. I made a render simmular to that using an Xwing. But if you going to make renders like the ones you see here, it may be impossible to make them from Photoshop though.
Does anybody know where the burn tool is? Its not in the toolbar.... Seriously, I never used it.
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102? (Now its 103) I thought I was at 99 posts.
Whos been screwing up my f***ing post count?!
Now look. You made me use the F word.
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Originally posted by JR2000Z
102? (Now its 103) I thought I was at 99 posts.
Whos been screwing up my f***ing post count?!
Now look. You made me use the F word.
Calm down...you probably posted in a thread and didn't realize it...oh, and thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I'll ned something of a higher duty than PS...I'll need MAX! Now if only i could fin...er...buy it! :D
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Ditch the Lens Flare and you've got yourself a great render.:)
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Originally posted by mikhael
Of course, I dont' really believe that. I like good lensflares, but I don't use them to cover my lack of talent. I REVEL in my lack of modelling/rendering/lighting talent. :D
:lol:
You make me laugh, Mik. :D
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The Great Steak posted and didn't comment on my render?!
:headz:
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Sorry; moment of temporary insanity. :o
For a first render, I'm kind of impressed. The render quality is something you rarely see in first attempts, and as Sandwich said, the blur is looking good - sometimes things are just way too clear to be realistic in renders. Judicious use of blurs will see you very far in rendering. ;)
And, you get bonus marks for using the F22 - I love ATFs. :D
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Originally posted by Setekh
Sorry; moment of temporary insanity. :o
For a first render, I'm kind of impressed. The render quality is something you rarely see in first attempts, and as Sandwich said, the blur is looking good - sometimes things are just way too clear to be realistic in renders. Judicious use of blurs will see you very far in rendering. ;)
And, you get bonus marks for using the F22 - I love ATFs. :D
*nods* Yeah, I thought the blur would make the Raptor look much better. I have an alternate version with a Harrier saved on a disc at school (our comp teacher uses PS, and has kindly installed it on each of our computers. Since I'm already finished with my assignment, I get to screw around with it!) so I'll see about getting that up (in my opinion, it came out far better than the Raptor) later today. Now..if I can only get my hands on 3DS MAX...I'll be set...though if there any better rendering proggies out there, let me know. I'm also curious about PSP...where would I find that?
Oh, and I love the Raptor too. :D
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We have a smiley for that. :nod: ;)
About getting your hands on 3dsmax; if you have experience with 2D/3D composition, I think it's a lot better than learning 3D content from scratch. But that's just me. ;)
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http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/Harrier.jpg
Ta-da! I think this came out much beter, myself.
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Originally posted by Setekh
We have a smiley for that. :nod: ;)
About getting your hands on 3dsmax; if you have experience with 2D/3D composition, I think it's a lot better than learning 3D content from scratch. But that's just me. ;)
Point taken...I'm gonna need a few pointers though...namely engine glows, planets, laser/beam fire, and perhaps even stars (right now, the only way I can make a glow effect is the lens flare...which doesn't look too good).
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Looking good! :nod::yes:
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Originally posted by delta_7890
http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/Harrier.jpg
Shadow Moses? Harrier? You got that pic from MGS2?
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Originally posted by Setekh
:lol:
You make me laugh, Mik. :D
What'd I say? :D
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Originally posted by JR2000Z
Shadow Moses? Harrier? You got that pic from MGS2?
:lol: Actually, it's just an odd coincidence.
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Ah yes, add explosions to the list of things-I-need-help-with. :D
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The Harrier came off nicely because of the light bleed. Everything looks cool with light bleed, I kid you not. That is, how something looks when a light is placed behind it - the way the light bleeds in front of it. :)
Razor? In PhotoShop, use the 'Screen' layer blending option. ;)
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Looks better than my first render, which I currently cannot find.
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http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/Second.jpg
Here it is! Offical render number 2! Uses beams, explosions, stars, planets, and nebulas. Enjoy, even though it came out horrible...but hey, practive makes perfect, right? o.O;;
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Exactly. :) That's very nice. :yes: Keep at it - fool around with the settings in Solarcell. See if you can make your light points a little rounder. I think they look better with less distortion than you have on them now - but that's just me. ;)
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If only I had Spire. :D
Nah, what I'll need to do is make larger renders, work on the beams and lasers, and the engine glows as well. Now here's a problem I had in this render, maybe one of you can help out. The ships are actually set behind a light nebula cloud, which is why the engine glows came out so dark. I wanted to put them in front of the nebula (so they wouldn't darken) but stil have thems et behind the ship (as not to make it look al screwy). How would I do this?
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Originally posted by delta_7890
Nah, what I'll need to do is make larger renders, work on the beams and lasers, and the engine glows as well.
Be careful here; bigger is SO not what it's all caught up to be (okay, so Century Battle 2 is the exception...). Focus on your smaller stuff, and put in detail like crazy. Now that is what will make you a good render artist - the size can come later. :)
As for the problem you have, unfortunately since it is a pretty isolated example, I would have to take a look at it myself to see what you mean. But what I can offer you in terms of advice on this matter is to, wherever possible, keep all the elements of your renders seperate, for as long as you possibly can, while making your WIP. If you must blend something, save a backup copy, then blend and save as a new copy. That way, you can always shift things about or delete them with much more ease. Use colorise and overlay maps to your advantage - they are editable, removable, and best of all, do not compromise image quality. Oh, and never underestimate the power of just a little blur. Never. ;)
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Originally posted by Setekh
Be careful here; bigger is SO not what it's all caught up to be (okay, so Century Battle 2 is the exception...). Focus on your smaller stuff, and put in detail like crazy. Now that is what will make you a good render artist - the size can come later. :)
:nod: :nod:
If you've ever seen a play, you know how whenever the focus is on a few specific characters, the other actors are usually engaged in some sort of action that fits with their character? That's how a render should be. (IMHO)
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Ah, but note that by larger, I meant pixel area size, not complexity. Three ships will be my limit for a while (unless I'm making up impossing fleet scenes....muahahaha...).
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Originally posted by delta_7890
Ah, but note that by larger, I meant pixel area size, not complexity.
That's exactly what I meant. 500*500 is a good dimension set to start with - it's really a very nice size. Even after I migrated from that, I still stayed on 900*500 - not large, but you can do things with it, and it's widescreen. Human eyes like widescreen. ;)
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I'm using 350 x 350. o.O;;
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Originally posted by Setekh
Human eyes like widescreen. ;)
Widescreen is cool. :D:yes:
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Wow, those are pretty nice for first renders, even if they are made with photoshop. I should probably get some program to use for rendering, I've done some renders with truespace, and either it, or I suck :D
Anyway, here's my first render for comparison.
http://pera.250x.com/pics/
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IMHO, thats sweet. :yes:
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http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/Third.jpg
number three! Nothing too special, just a test to see how well I can screw around with Glittaro and Axion.
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I seem to remember my first one being:
http://ambience.i8.com/orion_fix2.jpg
Good work delta_7890, keep it up :nod:
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Very nice pieces, everyone! Say, that gives me an idea... :)
Should we start a render gallery which has just people's first renders in it? It would sure be interesting... :)
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Originally posted by Setekh
Very nice pieces, everyone! Say, that gives me an idea... :)
Should we start a render gallery which has just people's first renders in it? It would sure be interesting... :)
It'd be interesting, but how many of the hot-shot renderers would be willing to put their first and probably worst piece of work, which they're more embarassed rather than proud of, on open display? With a tag saying 'my first render'? :p
(I would, but then I'm neither a hot-shot renderer, or anyone who's progressed too far, having only done two...)
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Originally posted by Odyssey
It'd be interesting, but how many of the hot-shot renderers would be willing to put their first and probably worst piece of work, which they're more embarassed rather than proud of, on open display? With a tag saying 'my first render'? :p
(I would, but then I'm neither a hot-shot renderer, or anyone who's progressed too far, having only done two...)
Belive me, you don't wanna see my first one... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Belive me, you don't wanna see my first one... :rolleyes:
Sure I do :)
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:D
(for those of you who can't read Greek, the letters along the bottom spell "Delta". The large triangle is also the uppercase "Delta").
http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/BG.jpg
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Originally posted by Setekh
Very nice pieces, everyone! Say, that gives me an idea... :)
Should we start a render gallery which has just people's first renders in it? It would sure be interesting... :)
Hm, I'd have to digf REAL deep for that. Say, files from, like, 12 or 13 years ago, that are recorded in audio cassetes. :D
Now, for my first 3D render, I'd just have to dig some 8 years. ;)
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..No one likes my pretty background? O.o;;
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Originally posted by delta_7890
..No one likes my pretty background? O.o;;
It's nice, but too... simple. :nod:
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Originally posted by Styxx
It's nice, but too... simple. :nod:
...alrighty..what do you think I could do to improve it?
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Add some lightning effect around the delta, and some more detail - maybe something like a nebula - on the background. And move the delta and the letters away from the center, making sort of a shadow of them. Would look cooler. :)
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Oooooh...good idea! In the meantime, here's render number four!
http://shadowmoses.bravepages.com/Fourth.jpg
Uses a combination of plug-ins. (Yes, I realize that the shadow on the smaller planet is off, sue me. :p)
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The atmosphere and the clouds on the larger planet are too hard. Other than that, it's looking good (well, I'm not taking into account the persistance of lighting, since you already mentioned it :D ).
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Originally posted by Styxx
The atmosphere and the clouds on the larger planet are too hard. Other than that, it's looking good (well, I'm not taking into account the persistance of lighting, since you already mentioned it :D ).
:lol: note to self, do suns before planets.
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Originally posted by delta_7890
:lol: note to self, do suns before planets.
Well, it would be good to keep it consistent on your next one. :)
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Originally posted by delta_7890
..No one likes my pretty background? O.o;;
I think it rocks. Now do one that says 'lambda' and I'll like it even better. :D
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Originally posted by mikhael
I think it rocks. Now do one that says 'lambda' and I'll like it even better. :D
Whooho! Formal semantics! Yay! :D
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Originally posted by Odyssey
It'd be interesting, but how many of the hot-shot renderers would be willing to put their first and probably worst piece of work, which they're more embarassed rather than proud of, on open display? With a tag saying 'my first render'? :p
(I would, but then I'm neither a hot-shot renderer, or anyone who's progressed too far, having only done two...)
Me, for one...
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/setekh/watchers.jpg)
:)
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You sure that was your first?
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Yes, why? :)
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there you go :p
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/ott/variouspics/others/outerspace/pics/test1.jpg)
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:eek2: :eek2:
And I thought mine sucked...heh...
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Originally posted by Setekh
Me, for one...
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:)
Yes, but we've all already seen that one, right? :p
I guess I really shouldn't contradict myself in black text in future...
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Originally posted by Setekh
Yes, why? :)
Nothing, I just thought you had done something before that... My bad. :)
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:bump:
Here's mine:
(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/qm/pub/sandwich/renders/defiant_and_borg2.jpg)
I modeled that Borg ship as 2 cubes, one inside another, textured it with a Borg texture from the ST: Armada demo, and had the black parts of the texture be transparent. I then put green lights in between the cubes, added the Defiant, and walla! :)
EDIT: Hmmm... you can't see the layered cubes effect very well in that pic... try this one:
(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/qm/pub/sandwich/renders/defiant_and_borg.jpg)
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Originally posted by Styxx
Nothing, I just thought you had done something before that... My bad. :)
Really? Which one? I'm pretty sure this is my first. :)
And, Sandwich & Venom: those are actually pretty good... you guys blow my first one away, that's for sure... ;)
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Originally posted by Setekh
Really? Which one? I'm pretty sure this is my first. :)
And, Sandwich & Venom: those are actually pretty good... you guys blow my first one away, that's for sure... ;)
lol... only rendered stuff in there are the ships, the background and the explosions (well, the yellow stains :p ) are done with a brush... :doubt: what was I thinking about?
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Originally posted by Setekh
Really? Which one? I'm pretty sure this is my first. :)
I could swear thatm your first render had something to do with Small Victories... But it's YOUR render, so you should know better. :)
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Originally posted by Styxx
I could swear thatm your first render had something to do with Small Victories... But it's YOUR render, so you should know better. :)
Naw, I started rendering before I thought up SV. :)
Originally posted by venom2506
lol... only rendered stuff in there are the ships, the background and the explosions (well, the yellow stains :p ) are done with a brush... :doubt: what was I thinking about?
Yay! My first explosions looked like yellow stains too! :lol:
Oh, wait... was THIS my first render ever?
http://setekh-1.tripod.com/mod-series.jpg
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Hmm, the Tripod Logo? I didn't know you had done that! :D
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Oh, shush you... :p
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/setekh/mod-series.jpg)
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AHHHH!!!!! It's the attack of the Mk. II and III's!!! Helllp!
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Originally posted by sandwich
AHHHH!!!!! It's the attack of the Mk. II and III's!!! Helllp!
Sorry... I didn't know how to think up names back then... :D
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(http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/voy1.jpg)
(http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/Unknown.jpg)
These are the earliest I could find. They were made late summer '01. :D
Modeled in Blender, rendered in trueSpace and fixed in PS (well one of 'em).
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#1 doesn't look too bad there, Ryx! :D (PS. Did you know you have a brand of chips named after you here in Aus?)
I don't know if you can count #2 as a render, it's kind of.. uhh... :blah:
:D
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Originally posted by sandwich
AHHHH!!!!! It's the attack of the Mk. II and III's!!! Helllp!
Lol, 0wnT! :lol:
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Originally posted by Setekh
#1 doesn't look too bad there, Ryx! :D (PS. Did you know you have a brand of chips named after you here in Aus?)
I don't know if you can count #2 as a render, it's kind of.. uhh... :blah:
:D
Yeah, I didn't mean renders exclusively.
Anyway, a month or two (three?... nevermind) later, this one came along (http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/Ravana1024x768.jpg). Mirrored Ravana... :D
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Originally posted by Ryx
Anyway, a month or two (three?... nevermind) later, this one came along (http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/Ravana1024x768.jpg). Mirrored Ravana... :D
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: Now that is sa-weet!
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Originally posted by sandwich
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw: Now that is sa-weet!
I remember the day that popped up. Still as beautiful as ever. :)
Funny, how everyone knows which way an Orion faces, but not the same with a Ravana. :D
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That one looks good, specially the background. It fits.
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Wowee!!! Sandwich renders seriously well!!!:jaw: :jaw:
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Wowee!!! Sandwich renders seriously well!!!:jaw: :jaw:
Ya, seriously. Well DUH!
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Ya, seriously. Well DUH!
Thats word pun is going to be seriously overcooked, as much as the Setekh Steak pun is.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Thats word pun is going to be seriously overcooked, as much as the Setekh Steak pun is.
True. I feel it'll start to get on my nerves soon...
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Originally posted by Styxx
True. I feel it'll start to get on my nerves soon...
seriously?
hey, someone had to say it :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
seriously?
hey, someone had to say it :p
Must... Kill...
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Originally posted by Setekh
Me, for one...
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/staff/setekh/watchers.jpg
You think that's bad? Your gonna love this ;)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/sot/renders/render_08.jpg)
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ph33r the opaque thruster flames... :D
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Rawr..
(http://www.themodplace.co.uk/renders/gimages/run.jpg)
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That's one heck of a glowing atmosphere, eh?
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Theres a sun behind there...
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It's...err...Capella :lol:
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That stuff is pretty nice. :nod::yes:
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Originally posted by Thunder
It's...err...Capella :lol:
Hehe, must be that, indeed...