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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: WMCoolmon on March 29, 2002, 01:38:12 am
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I was asked this by an acquaitance...anyone else's thoughts?
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no, because freelancer isn't ambitious.
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No, but only because it's impossible to predict this (IMO) without having played the game. Freespace has an entire host of mods and so on, if Freelancer can't be modded it never stands a chance of replacing FS (and we'll have to wait untill something else with FS style gameplay comes along).
That said, it's down for Winter this year as a release.... guess we'll find out!
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No, cause I said so, and games are nothing without my support
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Whoa, five votes already! :eek:
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isn't that like that one game you have to use the mouse and no joystick and you arn't realy controling your ship directly,...
nope
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Nah. Gameplay styles are way different.
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Freespace.
Freelancer... :doubt: *at least, for the moment*
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The concept of Freelancer scares me [cringes] ... I'll stick to Freespace :p
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No. There are few games with THAT long production time (Freelancer has had, what, 5 release dates?), that come out being really good. The graphics are starting to show it's age, and... well, doesn't seem like its going to be something as good as they aim for.
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seems to be going the way of duke nukem forever if you ask me
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i'll tell you once i've played it.
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NEVAR!!1!! :D :p
Seriously (oh no! I said it!) I don't think so. Too different a premise...
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Nope.
Freespace is the arcade style space sim, and neitehr IWar 2 or Freelancer are purely point and shoot.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Freespace is the arcade style space sim, and neitehr IWar 2 or Freelancer are purely point and shoot.
Exactly. :nod:
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Okay, who voted 'yes'? Who's the traitor?
;)
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isn't that like that one game you have to use the mouse and no joystick and you arn't realy controling your ship directly,...
Yeah, that seems pretty messed up; I'm not sure how well the game would play with this system. From what I have heard so far, I am not really expecting this to be a Freespace-killer.
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Dear admins, the one who voted for Freelancer obviously was either drunk, shaky, or not clinically sane. You have the power, please delete that vote.
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:D
burn the blasphemer!!
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Originally posted by CP5670
:D
burn the blasphemer!!
* lights torch *
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Freelancer can't replace Freespace.
Freespace is a space combat shooter, in the arcade tradition. It requires skills on the stick and throttle and its lots of fun. I've never regretted buying it.
Freelancer is bull-buggered agglomeration of insane ideas. PILOT... SHIP... WITH MY... MOUSE?! Um. That game will have to pull out some seriously awe inspiring story, graphics, sound, missions and moddability for me to even consider purchasing it. Looking at what Digital Anvil has said about the game makes me regret ever giving any money to a Chris Roberts venture before.
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Originally posted by Styxx
Seriously (oh no! I said it!)
;7 ;7 ;7
Sorry, Steak.... =D
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Originally posted by sandwich
;7 ;7 ;7
Now I must face the consequences... :D
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Originally posted by mikhael
Freelancer can't replace Freespace.
Freespace is a space combat shooter, in the arcade tradition. It requires skills on the stick and throttle and its lots of fun. I've never regretted buying it.
Freelancer is bull-buggered agglomeration of insane ideas. PILOT... SHIP... WITH MY... MOUSE?! Um. That game will have to pull out some seriously awe inspiring story, graphics, sound, missions and moddability for me to even consider purchasing it. Looking at what Digital Anvil has said about the game makes me regret ever giving any money to a Chris Roberts venture before.
huh? is the fact that freelancer may be crap denies the fact that the WC series was mostly an exelent one?
Btw, I've heard good reactions from sceptical players about that mouse system, when they got to try it when visiting DA.
I'm still not convinced, but i'll lend the game of benefits of doubt.
For graphics, the ships are kick-ass ( I won't mention their design tho...), but the backgrounds really dunnot impress me, far from that. For the story, well, It's Chriss roberts, so it should be good (Starlancer was Erin Roberts game).
Really, I'm really wondering about that game, I guess the demo will tell me what to think of it
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Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan80
Okay, who voted 'yes'? Who's the traitor?
;)
Random forumite: There he is! Set for stun!
:snipe:
Ack, I meant kill! Set for kill!
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Random forumite: There he is! Set for stun!
:snipe:
Ack, I meant kill! Set for kill!
LOL! :lol: :lol:
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Originally posted by venom2506
huh? is the fact that freelancer may be crap denies the fact that the WC series was mostly an exelent one?
Um... Yes. Freelancer, if it turns out to be EXACTLY what Digital Anvil says it will be, it will cancel out every single shred of greatness that was the Wing Commander Saga. It would be like Thief 3 being about running around with a big gun shooting steampunk mecha. Its... its just wrong.
Btw, I've heard good reactions from sceptical players about that mouse system, when they got to try it when visiting DA.
... I guess the demo will tell me what to think of it
Space-Sim + Mouse-Control = WORST IDEA EVAR.
[my opinion]
when I go to play a space sim, it is for the immersive experience. I sit down, I put my hands on a stick and a throttle and I shut out the rest of the world. For that time I am a fighter pilot. For that time there is nothing but me, the hull of my (admittedly nonexistent) ship and the depthless void of the inky black. In that place, in that setting, I don't want a mouse to control my ship. I don't want a keyboard to control my ship. I want the complete control of a stick and throttle. I want the sure knowledge of exactly what my ship is doing and to what degree its doing it. A mouse cannot do that. If you want, I'll give a technical explanation as to exactly why.
[/myopinion]
Yes, the Demo is going to be the true test of the thing. When it comes, if it doesn't have a fully integrated stick-and-throttle control scheme, it had better rock my socks or it had better have a written apology from Chris Roberts. If it turns out to be exactly what DA says it will be, I will not buy it. Its as much of a negative statement as I can possibly make to Chris Roberts.
I know it sounds extreme, but its the only way to look at things in my opinion. Space-sims are my absolute favorite genre of games. I don't know why. Games like Independence War 2 are the Grail to me. I very much dislike the idea of dumbing down piloting to MOUSE controls and turning the game into Diablo-in-space, especially after Chris Roberts promised us, the customers and players, that we would be getting the best thing in space sims ever.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Space-Sim + Mouse-Control = WORST IDEA EVAR.
Oh, so true. :D
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Uh no!! Mouse control is A-1 SUPAR! Still the joystick is better for immersion but not in Multiplayer, aiming with the mouse is easy.
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butbutbut! WC and freenlancer aren't the same universe!
you know why they did that mouse thinguy? to have more people buy the game, coz not everybody has a joystick actually. Anyway, it seems after all you'll be able to use a joystick, but in fact it seems the fighter will be kindda on autopilot most of the time ( yeah, even in dogfights :p ). Really, it's not an idea I like, anyway, as I said, I have to try it to know.
If I don't like the game but it helps the genre rise again, well, it's cool, it means other companies will try to make space sims again, that's the whole point for me, even if FL is crap.
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Originally posted by venom2506
If I don't like the game but it helps the genre rise again, well, it's cool, it means other companies will try to make space sims again, that's the whole point for me, even if FL is crap.
On this, we are in total agreement.
Of course, the cynical part of my mind reminds me that if a mouse-controlled sim helps make the genre rise again ALL THE NEW GAMES WILL BE MOUSE DRIVEN.
Excuse me. I think I need to cry. :(
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Yes i will kill the traitor. NO NO NO!!! That is your answer people! Yes is bad, evil :mad2: :mad2:
Now wait. Freelancer can't even come close to Freespace. If the volition People are smart enough they would fight for the rights, assemle a team and make the Freespace 3, but noooo THQ doesn't want to let them. I hate THQ. How would it be to have freespace 3 on a console? AARGH NOOOOOO!! Make it stop!! The horror!!
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You know what I think? I think the V guys don't give a damn about the freespace rights.
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The Question is does it have Hangers? Or hangers that you can go into?
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Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! 2 votes for yes!
Get the nuclear bomb, we must purge the forum before it;'s too late! (ok, a wee bit of collateral damage, but it's a risk I'm willing to take)
:snipe:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! 2 votes for yes!
Get the nuclear bomb, we must purge the forum before it;'s too late! (ok, a wee bit of collateral damage, but it's a risk I'm willing to take)
:snipe:
I'll take them out in my Apache, just tell me where to shoot :D
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Originally posted by Zeronet
The Question is does it have Hangers? Or hangers that you can go into?
yes, huge ones it seems
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Originally posted by venom2506
You know what I think? I think the V guys don't give a damn about the freespace rights.
as proven by the sorry state of the VBB. *hell*
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Random forumite: There he is! Set for stun!
:snipe:
Ack, I meant kill! Set for kill!
:lol: :lol:
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No offense but as soon as I saw "mouse controlled" I voted for FS! I have not played the game, but from my experience with Rainbow 6 I definately am against any game the sorely uses a mouse. As for reviving the genre.. If the game is crap it might inspire more crap.. Think of that.
As for FS3 who is THq and what's up with volition? How about making FS3 more mod friendly and take notice of whats out there for FRED3 in regards to all the awesome stuff people have produced out of devotion to their product?
I loved WC3 (Heart of the tiger)... I had the chance to try the earlier ones (IMHO they sucked)... I own WC4 and was dissapointed that they dumbed down the graphics so I never finished it. The true goal of a game designer should be to continually challenge themselves as to what they have, how they can improve it, and what the public expects... Fail to do this, and you won't sell your product. (Ramble alert)...
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
As for FS3 who is THq and what's up with volition? How about making FS3 more mod friendly and take notice of whats out there for FRED3 in regards to all the awesome stuff people have produced out of devotion to their product?
Star Dragon; please read this. :)
www.3dap.com/hlp/faq
Anyway, THQ is the publishing company that now owns :v:... Because THQ and Interplay are (ummm, were) rivals, THQ would probably never get the rights for FS off them. Or something like that. Man, I'm beginning to forget the story - it's been so long since someone's asked. :)
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FS3?
mmh... "designating another target for my 1012 ICBM launchers"
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
I loved WC3 (Heart of the tiger)... I had the chance to try the earlier ones (IMHO they sucked)... I own WC4 and was dissapointed that they dumbed down the graphics so I never finished it. The true goal of a game designer should be to continually challenge themselves as to what they have, how they can improve it, and what the public expects... Fail to do this, and you won't sell your product. (Ramble alert)...
WC1 and 2 are some of the best space combat games ever. And after more than 10 years their graphics are still very good. You're just spoiled because of WC3.
Besides, you're insulting the game that's the grandparent of FS (X-Wing/Tie-fighter is the other one) and that made soundcards important.
WC4: that one is ambivalent. Yes they changed the graphics but the storyline is quite good. Very much a change from the previous games.
And if you only play a game for it's graphics then that's sad. Gameplay first, then the rest.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I'll take them out in my Apache, just tell me where to shoot :D
Shoot anywhere, there's a good chance you'll hit those who voted yes. The casualties are acceptable for the destruction of the traitors (man, thats a lot of big words) :p
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Originally posted by Setekh
Anyway, THQ is the publishing company that now owns :v:... Because THQ and Interplay are (ummm, were) rivals, THQ would probably never get the rights for FS off them. Or something like that. Man, I'm beginning to forget the story - it's been so long since someone's asked. :)
Lucky you, it's better to forget all about it... :p
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First note: I didn't do it.
Second Note: *Laughs at Title and thread
Third Note: You guys should really implement an automatic timeout unless specified otherwise.
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Wait a minute... replace how? Sorry to break it to you, guys, but FreeSpace has been defunct for almost a decade now. The new batch of gamers don't even know what it is (granted, they don't know what anything is- kids honestly do seem to get dumber and dumber every generation). There's no "replacing" to be done except that which has been taken care of by pretty much all the fighter sims to have come since FreeSpace. End of story.
If you mean as far as gaming itself goes, they share only some very basic aspects. FreeLancer is much closer to Elite and Escape Velocity than it is to FreeSpace- if anything, I-War 2 replaced FS there, even though EoC was a marketing bomb. It had far superior graphics (no ****), better plotline than FS2 (both plots sucked ass, frankly, but EoC's had pirates), and what is generally considered a better flight model- and I'd agree if I wasn't so wierded out that I was a god at combat in the original and hated it in the sequel. It was highly linear, though you could go off and steal stuff to your heart's content, and had all the weapons and toys you could find in FS and more.
Of course, on the other hand, one of them I can't abide whereas the other... well, I'm here, aren't I?
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First:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,16479.0.html
Second :BAD KT!.. Bumping old Threads BAD!!!;)
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I dont know what everyone's obession is with the joystick.
I myself don't have one and play all space sims and what not with the keyboard + mouse and do just fine.
Pfft.....i bet your all wimps if we take away those throttle control buttons and joysticks :nervous: :ick
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I read half this topic before I realized it was from last year...
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*circumsizes solatar
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Wow. This is old. :nervous:
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Stop vote-bumping old threads.