When will we get to play it?It won't have a place in the main campaign AFAIK, better speak to Darius about that one.
That's all Dilmah's work? I'm impressed, honestly.Oh yes, nine.days. of my life were wasted on that mission.
What? Err, aren't you confusing missiles to bombs now? UEF bombs are flagged as bombs however.
Epic.Now imagine 12-20 minutes of that.
Even though I wasn't playing the mission, I could still feel my heart racing. Damn good stuff. I hope the campaign missions of WiH will be similarly fast-paced and atmospheric.
The GTVA seems cruel and unreasonable in this. I almost hope they lose.
Does the vid show that the player will be playing different characters, one for the GTVA and one of the UE? That's going to be really interesting to see two different perspectives in the same conflict.
It won't have a place in the main campaign AFAIK, better speak to Darius about that one.
We'll probably bundle it in with the first release :)
Does the vid show that the player will be playing different characters, one for the GTVA and one of the UE? That's going to be really interesting to see two different perspectives in the same conflict.It won't have a place in the main campaign AFAIK, better speak to Darius about that one.We'll probably bundle it in with the first release :)
My understanding is that it will be a standalone mission, which will fit in with the storyline of the main campaign, but having a different perspective and possibly characters.
The GTVA seems cruel and unreasonable in this. I almost hope they lose.Severanti was a little arrogant, but it was really to contrast Alpha 1's "Mothering" of his wingmates.
The GTVA seems cruel and unreasonable in this. I almost hope they lose.If you mean only the first battle for Neptune, you can read about the outcome in General Battutas first prose (http://blueplanet.hard-light.net/reunion.html) Darius put in the Media section of the BP website.
Just a heads up, both of the BP prose pieces were written by Battuta and critiqued by Darius. However the Inferno piece is Darius' work.I know. I guess I framed the sentence badly. Now I corrected my previous post.
I repent the stupid comment but thanks for the clarification.
With all these teasers that have been released as of late, I was thinking the actual release was not far off at all but from above posts saying anywhere between this year and next year, I'm just hoping this is just a ruse to throw us off lol. Anyways, this keeps looking better and better. The only thing about the video that i kinda didn't like was the fact that Neptune itself made some of the comm chatter unreadable.Use a different colour hud.
The GTVA's economy is pretty much in ruin most likely tying up a lot of fleet assets in anti-piracy actions. Then they also had various rebellions (again tying up ressources), the diplomatic relations with the vasudans are strained (meaning the vasudans might be unwilling to help in the police actions) and there's always the looming threat of a new Shivan incursion (again tying up ships for the reserve and patrols of their own terretory). Additionally they have to guard the jump node to Sol for the unlikely event of a UEF counterattack into GTVA terretory (Delta Serpentis is after all the seat of government and feel high command).
On top of that they have to carefully choose which personel they send into battle against Sol, to make sure they don't have any more desertions, after all half the fleet that was sent there to conquer a beachhead went over to the UEF.
So I can understand quite well why they can't simply overrun the UEF with a massed assault.
Also I think a simultanous attack on every planet in Sol wouldn't be such a good idea. Considering the superiourity of the UEF fighters, it would probably leave the GTVA capitol ships with a too thin anti-fighter screen. For me a concentrated attack on one target after the other seems to fit better with the strength and weaknesses of the GTVA fleet. Furthermore once they got Sol and Mars I doubt that the rest of the system is going to put up much resistance anymore.
The GTVA's economy is pretty much in ruin most likely tying up a lot of fleet assets in anti-piracy actions. Then they also had various rebellions (again tying up ressources), the diplomatic relations with the vasudans are strained (meaning the vasudans might be unwilling to help in the police actions) and there's always the looming threat of a new Shivan incursion (again tying up ships for the reserve and patrols of their own terretory). Additionally they have to guard the jump node to Sol for the unlikely event of a UEF counterattack into GTVA terretory (Delta Serpentis is after all the seat of government and feel high command).
On top of that they have to carefully choose which personel they send into battle against Sol, to make sure they don't have any more desertions, after all half the fleet that was sent there to conquer a beachhead went over to the UEF.
So I can understand quite well why they can't simply overrun the UEF with a massed assault.
Also I think a simultanous attack on every planet in Sol wouldn't be such a good idea. Considering the superiourity of the UEF fighters, it would probably leave the GTVA capitol ships with a too thin anti-fighter screen. For me a concentrated attack on one target after the other seems to fit better with the strength and weaknesses of the GTVA fleet. Furthermore once they got Sol and Mars I doubt that the rest of the system is going to put up much resistance anymore.
Many low-level officers and senior non-commissioned have combat experience from either the NTF or the Shivans.
I thought the great dark spot of Neptune had disappeared?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Dark_Spot
This is something I always wondered about. If BP takes place 18 years after the second incursion, how many of those veterans are still in service? While I agree that the GTVA has a level of institutional experience that the UEF lacks, I wonder if the personal experience is still there. Especially among lower ranked Officers.
Destroyers, and Chimeras and Bellerophons, are not antipirate assets.True, but how many Chimeras and Bellerophons does the GTVA actually have?
This is something I always wondered about. If BP takes place 18 years after the second incursion, how many of those veterans are still in service? While I agree that the GTVA has a level of institutional experience that the UEF lacks, I wonder if the personal experience is still there. Especially among lower ranked Officers.
Hmm.I'd disagree very much with NGTM-1R's statement there, to give you an idea, pilots in the RAAF who join right out of school, do you a 3 year university degree at the Defence Force-Academy and resume a 12.5 IMPS usually end their IMPS as Squadron Leaders. In 18 Years, + some local conflict, I'd expect Second Incursion Vets to be at least Squadron Leaders, or CAGs. And if we're talking NCO's, I'd say they would've been given Battlefield Commissions by now, and would be Captains at the least.Many low-level officers and senior non-commissioned have combat experience from either the NTF or the Shivans.
This is something I always wondered about. If BP takes place 18 years after the second incursion, how many of those veterans are still in service? While I agree that the GTVA has a level of institutional experience that the UEF lacks, I wonder if the personal experience is still there. Especially among lower ranked Officers.
This is The FutureTM, so I'm making an assumption that the active lifespan of a fighter pilot extends into his fourties. Assume most of them entered active service at about twenty. A lot of the experience would still be there.I wouldn't be so sure about a lot of the experience still being there. Pilot training costs a fair bit and the IMPS of Aircrew reflects that, but anyone who wants to retain pilots for 18 years minimum is out of their minds, especially if that stands in a time of war. (Though I would be happy to stay in for 18 years) Based on what's happened in previous conflicts, I'd guess the GTVA were offering 2~5 Year IMPS's at the start of the NTF insurgency, to attract more pilots, and I would assume that by the end of the conflict, about 60%-80% of their Fighter Corps were made up of Volunteers rather than Career Pilots
(Wait, does the force of Gravity mean anything in space?)Not gravity, G-forces generated by fighter acceleration, deceleration and turning are what pilots really feel, both in space and in atmosphere.
I'd expect Second Incursion Vets to be at least Squadron Leaders, or CAGsOf course with the occasional exception, because of disciplinary reasons I'd guess :p
I wouldn't be so sure about a lot of the experience still being there. Pilot training costs a fair bit and the IMPS of Aircrew reflects that, but anyone who wants to retain pilots for 18 years minimum is out of their minds, especially if that stands in a time of war. (Though I would be happy to stay in for 18 years) Based on what's happened in previous conflicts, I'd guess the GTVA were offering 2~5 Year IMPS's at the start of the NTF insurgency, to attract more pilots, and I would assume that by the end of the conflict, about 60%-80% of their Fighter Corps were made up of Volunteers rather than Career Pilots
Some of the experience would still be there of course, but certainly not more than about 40% by this stage, I mean, the human body just can't handle those kinds of G-Forces/stresses (Wait, does the force of Gravity mean anything in space?) past 50 or so years of age.
I don't know about only three classes, I mean, that's assuming Flight Training is still at what? 6 Months or so? You just can't keep your full regime going, when your fighters need filling, everything that isn't completely essential gets the cut. I can realistically see GTVA Pilot Training in full being cut down to 3 months (1 Month Basic Flight School, Second Month Advanced Flight School, Third Month would be operational conversion, with some subsistence Officer Training thrown in there. Anything else such as COMSURV would easily be cut.) And the GTVA has nearly THIRTY systems, and with the demand for Aircrew/Spacecrew, it makes sense to open at least 5-7 training schools to cover your applicant base. The worst thing the GTVA can do right now is have potential pilots twiddling their thumbs waiting for a Letter of Offer for Pilot Training because of great demand.
It is a bit BoE-esque. There's a reason it's probably gonna be a bonus mission, not part of the main campaign.
Considering that FS fighter combat doesn't seem as stressful (from an acceleration perspective) as real-life fighter ops, that seems like a safe bet.
I choose to utilize my imagination in this issue... I'd say it's better that way. :p
It is a bit BoE-esque. There's a reason it's probably gonna be a bonus mission, not part of the main campaign.
It looks great, but just a bit unnormal. There are like four or five ships in the area only on the Player-side. What if you'd let the destroyer warp in after a special event. Like after the first attack and it's clear that you can't hold the lines without reinforcements.:)
All GTA pilots are officers, so we're talking a ninety-day wonder officer training program in addition to flight training. I'm making the assumption that standard flight training is about two years from the time the recruit enters the system to the time he's piloting a fightercraft. (Admittedly, you could dispense with a lot of it being physical in practice, but then, we will.) Cutting it in half, first to a year, then again in half to six months, is about what historically people do. Those nations which have in wartime gone below the quarter-peacetime training regimen usually see a drop in pilot quality so sharp as to nullify the benefits.Well in regards to Officer Training, currently at the Australian Defence Force Academy, studies are supplemented by an individual "Leadership Subject", so some very, very, basic Leadership skills could be taught in that 90 day window. I mean, what use are golden pilots if all your ships are gone by the time they're ready?
Of course I'm assuming an integrated training scheme here rather than a seperate preflight and flight one.
When I saw this video it freaking broke my damn heart. Blue Planet is truly fantastic, yet the prospect of fighting your own people is disheartening. I will still play it, but will loathe every moment I am not on Earth's side.
When I saw this video it freaking broke my damn heart. Blue Planet is truly fantastic, yet the prospect of fighting your own people is disheartening. I will still play it, but will loathe every moment I am not on Earth's side.
When I saw this video it freaking broke my damn heart. Blue Planet is truly fantastic, yet the prospect of fighting your own people is disheartening. I will still play it, but will loathe every moment I am not on Earth's side.
Relax. Like Dilmah said, you'll be fighting for the UEF.
When I saw this video it freaking broke my damn heart. Blue Planet is truly fantastic, yet the prospect of fighting your own people is disheartening. I will still play it, but will loathe every moment I am not on Earth's side.
Relax. Like Dilmah said, you'll be fighting for the UEF.
"Calm down, man... You'll still get to kill and maim each other, it's just that you get to wear red instead of green."
i was actually hoping to fight for the Alliance.... Better to have a unified galaxy against the Shivans rather than one with the most sought after star-system in a state of utter hopelessness (read all those Prose articles :))
I don't think the Shivans would end up coming back unless the GTVA attacks the UEF. And the notion that the UEF has to be subordinate to the GTVA in order to accept military aid, should the Shivans show up again, is kinda zany.
Damn those GTVA warmongers, damn them to hell!
I think the idea that the Shivans only attack races at war is a little unsupported. After all, if that's the case why did it take them 14 years to attack in FS1?It makes as much sense as any other theory.
And where are all the non-warmongering races that the Shivans have left unmolested???The warmongers squished them!
My guess would be it takes them a while to set their eyes on a species, but once that happened, they keep them under observation.The Shivans showing up shortly after the NTF rebellion started was, as far as we know, completely unrelated to the earlier actions of the Lucifer fleet, as the forces we see in FS2 presumably wouldn't have been able to communicate with it. At the very least, we already know why the Shivans showed up in FS2 when they did: Bosch sent the NTC Trinity to open up the Knossos in Gamma Draconis, and the Shivans presumably detected the newly-opened node and poked their noses through to investigate.
That would explain why they needed years to interfere in the TV war, but showed up only month after the NTF rebellion started.
My guess would be it takes them a while to set their eyes on a species, but once that happened, they keep them under observation.The Shivans showing up shortly after the NTF rebellion started was, as far as we know, completely unrelated to the earlier actions of the Lucifer fleet, as the forces we see in FS2 presumably wouldn't have been able to communicate with it. At the very least, we already know why the Shivans showed up in FS2 when they did: Bosch sent the NTC Trinity to open up the Knossos in Gamma Draconis, and the Shivans presumably detected the newly-opened node and poked their noses through to investigate.
That would explain why they needed years to interfere in the TV war, but showed up only month after the NTF rebellion started.
My guess would be it takes them a while to set their eyes on a species, but once that happened, they keep them under observation.The Shivans showing up shortly after the NTF rebellion started was, as far as we know, completely unrelated to the earlier actions of the Lucifer fleet, as the forces we see in FS2 presumably wouldn't have been able to communicate with it. At the very least, we already know why the Shivans showed up in FS2 when they did: Bosch sent the NTC Trinity to open up the Knossos in Gamma Draconis, and the Shivans presumably detected the newly-opened node and poked their noses through to investigate.
That would explain why they needed years to interfere in the TV war, but showed up only month after the NTF rebellion started.
I don't buy that. We hear at the end of FS1 that "...the Shivans can rebuild them {jump nodes}...". They did not have to wait around for the portal to open, they could have opened the portal themselves. Besides, we also know that the Shivans are a subspace-centric civilization, and probably immediately detect all subspace occurences. That is what triggers their attacks, based on canonical information.
Yeah. But in response to Norbert, think about what the Ancients were doing, they were being xenocidal pricks for a little while, before the Shivans showed up. If you will, they're almost like the Universe's SWAT, for when nature fails. Some dirty atrocities inside an Alliance won't attract Shivan attention until they fight other species. I'm guessing after the Great War, the Shivans may have treated the Terrans and Vasudans as a single entity, rather than different species.
I don't buy that. We hear at the end of FS1 that "...the Shivans can rebuild them {jump nodes}...". They did not have to wait around for the portal to open, they could have opened the portal themselves. Besides, we also know that the Shivans are a subspace-centric civilization, and probably immediately detect all subspace occurences. That is what triggers their attacks, based on canonical information.
The degree of Shivan information regarding the GTVA could be contingent on exactly how the Nagari process works.What's the Nagari process?