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Since I recently got flat rate I started donwloading a lot of stuff. And hten I decided it might be nice to watch a few animes - see a few old favorites, see what's new.
So I started my internet watching bonanza.
I though I'd share my watch log with you guys together with my impressions:
Trigun - starts fun, ends up switching more towards drama as the story nears it's end. Wild West fun action.
Hellsing - Bloody. The main character is a complete monster (Vlad the Impaler), even worse than those he fights.
Yukikaze - strange and somewhat surreal. Impressive visuals of areal battles. Has a bit of a WTF? and Mind Screw effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFh3PsOpb4
Irresponsible Captain Taylor - a bit strange, but fun.
Full Metal Alchemist - strange. Don't really know what to think about this one.
Blade of the Immortal - story of a immortal samurai. OK.
Tytania - space battles, and a LOT of political intruige and backstabbing. Very good visuals too. :yes:
Outlaw Star - Oldie. Not bad at all, but boy did those grappler ships make me laugh!
Excel Saga - goofy, crazy, experimental and funny. Insane characters, insane plots and a lot of 4'th wall breaking. :yes: :yes: (and the director and original manga writer both appear)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9BX_mR2uQ0
Puni Puni Poemi - made by the same guy who made Excell Saga. Nabeshin is insane. Also, more fanserive, but very short alltogether (2 episodes)
Time of Eve - 6 episodes so far. Nice visuals, interesting and deep story. This is a brainy flick that's here to raise questions and make you think. :yes:
CURRENTLY WATCHING:
Chobits - what would you do if you found a fembot in the trash?
Azumaga Daioh - high school on LSD
OLD (watched them more than 2 months before):
Vision of Escaflowne (movie/series) - :yes: :yes: :yes:
Saint Seiya - oldie but goldie :yes:
Rourin Kenshin (movie/series) - move great, series medicre
Cowboy Beebop - snazzy :yes:
Evangelion - mind screw deluxe. I hate the last two episodes
Beserk - gotta agree. Depressive. But bloody as hell.
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Those last two are dire apart fro Aunt haruka. .
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Eh? You sentance confuses me. dire apart?
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I am now obsessed with Yukikaze, THANK YOU!
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One missing letter didn't break the whole sentence construction did it? :bah:
Apply filter to sentence.
<quote> Those last two are dire (aka crap) apart from Aunt Haruka (the only saving grace in Azu manga whatever it's called)
</quote>
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Two things i really liked were:
'Venus Wars' First ever manga film I ever saw. Must have watched it hundreds of times! brilliant!
Not sure if anyone has heard of this, but I was watching this on 'Joost' very recently on the 'Gong' channel.
'Cosmo Warrior Zero' -Thought it was very enjoyable, loved the old style space ships, more like WW2 destroyers.
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My current anime is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Season 2, which more accurately would be The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, but no one seems to be calling it that. People are subbing the new episodes pretty much as soon as they're aired in Japan.
At this point it's difficult to say how good the new season is, though, since "We've entered an endless recursion of time."
Kyoto Animation is really having fun messing with its fans with this...
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Gundam 08th MS will always be my favorite.
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My current anime is The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Season 2, which more accurately would be The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, but no one seems to be calling it that. People are subbing the new episodes pretty much as soon as they're aired in Japan.
At this point it's difficult to say how good the new season is, though, since "We've entered an endless recursion of time."
Kyoto Animation is really having fun messing with its fans with this...
Season 2?
OH, SNAP
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I'm lazy, so go here (http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Top_Gun). :p
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Try...
Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex
Serial Experiments Lain, Boogiepop Phantom, or Paranoia Agent, if you're into horror.
Tenchi Muyo, Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventures, Love Hina, if you're not against wacky harem ish plots.
K-on... fluffy slice of life.
Full Metal Panic
Howl's Moving Castle, Castle in the Sky, Princess Mononoke for classics
The Place Promised in Our Early Days - an art form.
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Irresponsible Captain Taylor - a bit strange, but fun.
You called Outlaw Star old, but not this? wtf? :P
Nadesico. Don't watch the movie. It'll make you want to hurt people.
Nanoha. I'm not terribly fond of Striker S, but it's worth a couple viewings. The original's better once it grows the beard around episode 5 or 6. A's is best.
Newer version of Area 88.
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Currently watching Bakemonogatari (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPgwOt0Q_98) and Haruhi S2 (The endless recursion sucks -.-)
That Yukikaze AMV really looked interesting, have to try this out :)
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One missing letter didn't break the whole sentence construction did it? :bah:
Apply filter to sentence.
<quote> Those last two are dire (aka crap) apart from Aunt Haruka (the only saving grace in Azu manga whatever it's called)
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So you saying Vhobits and AD are crap compared to Haruhi?
Or am I getting this wrong?
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Notables that haven't been mentioned thus far:
Must Watch
- Gungrave
- Gunslinger Girls (misleading title, first season is superb, haven't seen the second)
- Innocent Venus
- Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion / R2
- Black Lagoon
- Coyote Ragtime Show
- Great Teacher Onizaku (no significant plot resolution, but very funny)
- Witch Hunter Robin (ending was a little annoying, but the rest is great)
- Zombie Loan
Must Not Watch
- Berserk (depressing for no reason, the series stops about 1/10th of the way through the plot)
- GantZ (way more depressing than the above + no plot progression or explanations)
- Last Exile (had serious potential, no real explanation for the ending)
- Vandread (trust me, don't waste your life on this)
That's about all that I can remember. Keep in mind that all of them should only be viewed in their best subbed forms.
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I'm saying they're crap full stop. On par with "oh my godess" or that "malice doll" junk. But my views don't represent the status quo i'm just airing them.
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Why has Gurren Lagann not been mentioned yet?
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Forgot to say, i rate the Venus WArs mention a ten out of ten. Pure class.. Also Akira, Guyver, and a little known MD Geist.. The latter being one of my all time favourites, even more than the later Robotech episodes.
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(...)
- Berserk (depressing for no reason, the series stops about 1/10th of the way through the plot)
Berserk? Depressing? You don't want to read the manga then. It gets much, much worse! :P
Awesomely worse of course.
Still, the lack of Fullmetal Alchemist (remake) and Fate/Stay Night in this thread doesn't bode well.
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Still, the lack of Fullmetal Alchemist (remake) and Fate/Stay Night in this thread doesn't bode well.
AR.. I knew I forgot something!
Got to edit hte first post now. I probably forgot a few anime :p Well ,teh very fact I forgot about it doens't bode well for it, no? :p
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Death Note is also excellent.
It's got geniuses playing mind games with each other and epic potato chips.
(I also second Snail's suggestion of Gurren Lagann. Anyone who's a fan of mecha anime owes it to themselves to watch that show.)
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Still, the lack of Fullmetal Alchemist (remake) and Fate/Stay Night in this thread doesn't bode well.
AR.. I knew I forgot something!
Got to edit hte first post now. I probably forgot a few anime :p Well ,teh very fact I forgot about it doens't bode well for it, no? :p
Yes. Fate/Stay Night: awesome. Although if you can get the visual novel: go for that instead.
Anime: based on Fate path.
superior Unlimited Blade Works path is superior.
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Heaven's Feel is even better in my opinion. :p It's a testament to the anime that it went with the "worse" path and it still kicked ass.
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Does that mean it's So Bad It's Good (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlethsq3mffp09i)?
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No, it's so good it's awesome. And that's scary considering they didn't choose more awesome paths.
In Unlimited Blade Works you have Archer (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassLongcoat) kicking everyone's ass (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FieldOfBlades).
In Heaven's Feel, Shirou takes several hundred thousand levels in badass (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TookALevelInBadass) and... well... kicks everyone's ass.
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Death Note is also excellent.
It's got geniuses playing mind games with each other and epic potato chips.
In the case of Death Note, I would recommend the live action movies - they are imho better.
Death Note (the anime) suffers from a very boring second half, it's far better in the movie.
For something a little depressing or grim I would recommend Now and Then, Here and There (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NowAndThenHereAndThere) and Narutaru (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NaruTaru) - unfortunately the latter is unresolved during the anime, and finishes it's plot only in the manga.
Also The Sky Crawlers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqnrMe7_rT8&feature=related) has great visuals, but is very calm and can be depressing depending on your intepretation.
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yeah. Gurren Lagann. Watch it.
There's a new Evangelion movie out that changes most of the story and removes some of the mindscrew.
Blade of the Immortal - anime is so-so. The original manga is way better.
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ok, since the is now an anime recommendation thread.
Gurren Lagann, this is the ultimate in over the top awesome, it is not a show for newcomers to the medium, or for those who have murdered their inner child. not many shows can be a light hearted roit an action explosion and still manage to actualy pull of some solid drama at the same time. this show is anime, therefore if you like anime you will like Gurren Lagann
I don't usually get down on dubs too much, but this is one of those shows you realy should watch subed.
black lagoon, when I first herd people talking about this from the name I was expecting some sort of tropical island setting, so it took me a while to watch it. turns out it's a modern day cowboy bebop, with a band of pirates in the south china sea, dealing with international crime syndicates playing for power in the underworld. if you like fast pased action, chicks with guns blood, explosions, arms dealing nuns, indestructible nannies, homicidal child porn stars, or any sort of "****'s go'n down" type story, you should wach Black lagoon.
now, one anime I realy want to advocate, because I haven't heard any one else mention it yet, is Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Higurashi, is a gripping horror suspence serize, that will leave you wide eyed and not knowing what to expect next, it goes from happy go lucky supper cute slice of life of a hand full of school children ranging from the age of 11 to 18 (I think), to dark I'm going to ****ing drive a nail through every joint in your fingers and then disembowel you while you watch. I like to describe it as ground hogs day meets the shining, the basic plot is that the group of friends are stuck in a time loop where every time something goes just ****ing flat out wrong, for some reason one of the people will get psychotically paranoid and snap usually ending in the vast majority of the cast dead and the story starting over, the point of the show is to figure out how and why, I will not spoil anything, even discussing the tone of the end would be a spoiler, but I will say that it does have continuity between the loops (it's subtle at first) and everything does get explained in the second season. unlike Haruhi, they did time loops right.
Higurashi: Friends Help You Move, Real Friends Help You Move bodies. :)
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No, it's so good it's awesome. And that's scary considering they didn't choose more awesome paths.
Hmm...mayhaps. But following the escapades of a ominpotent jerkass/bully in a school uniform doesn't really appeal to me plot-wise. Especially since I know she never gets put in her place.
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No, it's so good it's awesome. And that's scary considering they didn't choose more awesome paths.
Hmm...mayhaps. But following the escapades of a ominpotent jerkass/bully in a school uniform doesn't really appeal to me plot-wise. Especially since I know she never gets put in her place.
What? Who? Tohsaka?
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In the case of Death Note, I would recommend the live action movies - they are imho better.
Death Note (the anime) suffers from a very boring second half, it's far better in the movie.
I agree that the movies are, overall, much better in terms of storytelling. They do, however, lack the anime's kickass soundtrack, which is a shame. They also lack a lot of the funny moments (epic potato chips, pretty much everything L does in the Yostuba arc, SAKUJO!, etc.), and the funny moments they kept weren't as good, in particular the "Misa shows up at Light's college" scene. Although I will admit that L's mask was hilarious.
Basically: both the movies and the anime have their pros and cons, although the movies are better overall.
There's a new Evangelion movie out that changes most of the story and removes some of the mindscrew.
Clarification: Set of four movies, not just one. Rebuild of Evangelion 1.0 is due to be released in English this fall, RoE 2.0 just premiered in Japan, 3.0 and 4.0 are in production.
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Liberator must not be reading this thread. The gratuitous use of TV Tropes would have set him off by now.
That said:
Gundam 08th MS will always be my favorite.
This.
Followed Closely by:
Gunslinger Girls (would you believe that my friend's church youth group did a bible study based on these? I'm not making that up.)
Full Metal Alchemist (Ditto with this one. His youth group is flippin' awesome.)
About 10% of Naruto (the non-filler parts)
and Dragonball/Dragonball Z. not GT. GT wasn't that good, IMHO.
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and Dragonball/Dragonball Z. not GT. GT wasn't that good, IMHO.
You must be joking. I can, just barely, understand the recommendation of the original, but Z? Dear god no. You start picking out reused animations five eps in and it all goes to ****...
Also, for the record, I cannot in good conscience recommend any of the following:
Anything with Haruhi. (The whole concept is just...uninteresting. It has its moments, like the awesomely over the top space battle against the computer club, but it never asks the only interesting question the show could ask: can you kill Haruhi? And if you do, what happens?)
Code Geass. (The Knightmare Frames went bat**** super robot on me too quickly, and let's face it: Lelouch isn't worthy of admiration or respect. He's also totally ****ing crazy to think his plan will work, but that's another issue. The animation is good, though, I'll give it that.)
Any Eva, even Rebuild. (It will disappear down the massive black hole Dethroning Moment of Suck that is Shinji Ikari when not under the control of Charles Bhepin.)
Any anime built around an Unlucky Everydude and his Unwanted Harem. You know which ones they are.
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You must be joking. I can, just barely, understand the recommendation of the original, but Z? Dear god no. You start picking out reused animations five eps in and it all goes to ****...
You most likely have a point there. Then again, I grew up with it, and little access to other anime, because Toonami apparently has an institutional fear of long running shows.
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YUKIKAZE!!!
Though I might be part of the minority who likes the Mave more than the Super Sylph... SCREAMING SCRAMJET!!!!!
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;-)
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Well drawn cartoons with obvious plots based around card games are still. . .wot I just said.
Genocyber was a 2 parter I think but blows most others out of the water.
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and Dragonball/Dragonball Z. not GT. GT wasn't that good, IMHO.
You must be joking. I can, just barely, understand the recommendation of the original, but Z? Dear god no. You start picking out reused animations five eps in and it all goes to ****...
Also, for the record, I cannot in good conscience recommend any of the following:
Anything with Haruhi. (The whole concept is just...uninteresting. It has its moments, like the awesomely over the top space battle against the computer club, but it never asks the only interesting question the show could ask: can you kill Haruhi? And if you do, what happens?)
Code Geass. (The Knightmare Frames went bat**** super robot on me too quickly, and let's face it: Lelouch isn't worthy of admiration or respect. He's also totally ****ing crazy to think his plan will work, but that's another issue. The animation is good, though, I'll give it that.)
Any Eva, even Rebuild. (It will disappear down the massive black hole Dethroning Moment of Suck that is Shinji Ikari when not under the control of Charles Bhepin.)
Any anime built around an Unlucky Everydude and his Unwanted Harem. You know which ones they are.
Uu...have to agree NGTM-1R here. Evangelion has it's moments tough. And the animation in Code Geass (character design) doesn't strike me as nice.
http://weare.clickpopmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/code-geass-25-large-35.jpg <--- I mean, look at him.
EDIT:
To everyone who contemplates watching Yukikaze - it has great space battles, but watch out - the end is full of WTF and unanswered questions with a dose of mindscrew.
The only Yu-gi-Oh I like is the ABRIDGED SERIES. Comedy gold.
Yugi: Wait a minute. Did you just summon a bunch of dragons in one turn?
Kaiba: Yeah, so?
Yugi: That's against the rules, isn't it?
Kaiba: Screw the rules, I have money!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yu-Gi-OhTheAbridgedSeries?from=Main.YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries
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Ok good recommendations and hints people.
But c'mon...
Vandread (trust me, don't waste your life on this)
Vandread was fun :D
Anyways I think I'll add something aswell.
Jungle wa itsumo Hale nochi Guu:
In a nutshell - Crazy and cute wtf wth WTF stuff in jungle and time to times in a city.
*cough* A more detailed explanation would be that on one day a young kid called Hale meets a cute girl maybe of his age in jungle he's living in. Everything seems normal at first but when he get's back home that girl is there and reveals her "true" self, with her name. Guu. Actually people still don't know what Guu is, not even after all these years. But believe me if this series doesn't bring the WTF-laughs then nothing will. Guu does all crazy stuff and... well, I don't wanna spoil anything. Just watch it ok, it's hilarious :yes:
Strike Witches:
Now, this is a fan service series done perfectly. The basic idea is that there are 11 girls who fly using magic powered propeller using machines on their feet and fight against a mysterious force called Neuroi on an alternative WW2 era where the WW2 never happened. Oh and the girls don't wear any pants or skirts, just panties. But the thing in this series is that all of them have a real world fighter pilot they are based on (http://koti.mbnet.fi/gortef/Harbl/StrikeWitches_Chart.jpg). For example Charlotte Yeager is based on Chuck Yeager (who is still alive, the only one from the cast btw.), and our Finns very own Eila Ilmatar Juutilainen is based on Eino "Illu" Juutilainen. The basic consept is Mecha Musume and the character design is made by Humikane Shimada. Get's a three thumbs up recommendation from uncle Gortef. :yes::yes::yes:
ok that should do for now
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/me is reminded of Moetan.
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Strike Witches:
Now, this is a fan service series done perfectly. The basic idea is that there are 11 girls who fly using magic powered propeller using machines on their feet and fight against a mysterious force called Neuroi on an alternative WW2 era where the WW2 never happened. Oh and the girls don't wear any pants or skirts, just panties.
D00d, you scare me. :eek2: :wtf:
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Cyber city OEDO. And legend of the four kings also :yes:
Ahem. . Rekensudoji. . . .that's all i'm saying about that :nervous:
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Cool, Vandread isn't forgotten either. But it's so hard to find anything other than the anime itself around here... :(
it never asks the only interesting question the show could ask: can you kill Haruhi? And if you do, what happens?
/diabolical laughter
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Nobody has mentioned the best anime ever?
Initial D
(first two seasons)
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I remembered another good one: Ergo Proxy.
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[truth]Code Geass is excellent. The protagonist is the Magnificent Bastard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard). The ending is superb. The soundtrack is symphonic.[/truth]
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Seeing that people here are making recommendations I might as well add a few from my collection:
1. GaoGaiGar: If you likes Gurren Lagann and desperately need another fix of giant robo action then this is worth a go. It's available in two boxsets, both at very decent prices. The first box, the green "Bullet X Box" is SUB/DUB while the second yellow "Za Powa Box". The first twenty or so episodes are your basic monster of the week stuff mainly used to introduce the main characters and attacks, the real meat is in the remainder. Basically if you can stomach this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wODKm9cI9Lw) for nearly every episode then you will like GaoGaiGar and then will curse the anime industry until GGG Final gets licenced.
2. Gunbuster & Gunbuster 2 Don't bother with the movie editions. If you can find them get the original OAV versions. GB comes as a single 3 disc set while GB2 is available as 3 separate single disc releases. More giant robot action from the creators of Evangelion and Gurren Lagann.
3. Godannar: More giant robot action (seeing a pattern here?) of the combining variety from the same creative mind as GaoGaiGar with almost the same amount of recycled combination sequences but with the addition of a healthy dose of fanservice.
4. Giant Robo: The Animation: This should be in everybody's collection.
5. The Big O: Another giant robot show (this is getting silly now). Possibly holds the prize for best opening sequence ever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdA6iRk94Hc) If I had infinite money I would go over to Sunrise inc. in Japan, hand them a cheque with a lot of zeroes on it and a message saying "Make Big O season 3 now please".
6. The original Macross is always worth looking at, along with Macross Plus.
7. Dai-Guard: Is what you would get if you had a Giant Robot built by the lowest bidder and then run on a shoestring budget, can't even afford a proper Rocket Punch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuhegyYeZEU)...
and finally
8. Rahxephon: If you enjoyed Evangelion or proper giant robot action isn't your thing then you can do a lot worse than this.
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lol, Rahxephon, that was like the Evangelion clone.
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I just finished wathcing Chobits. It was actually better than I thought. The episode of trying to teach your persocon to buy underware was legendary :lol:
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lol, Rahxephon, that was like the Evangelion clone.
Except Rahxephon has a touchingly happy ending.
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Strike Witches:
Now, this is a fan service series done perfectly. The basic idea is that there are 11 girls who fly using magic powered propeller using machines on their feet and fight against a mysterious force called Neuroi on an alternative WW2 era where the WW2 never happened. Oh and the girls don't wear any pants or skirts, just panties.
D00d, you scare me. :eek2: :wtf:
Hey don't blame the messenger :p
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Must Not Watch
- Last Exile (had serious potential, no real explanation for the ending)
Ignore this man. I'm not going to get into a debate about the ending, but it is nothing close to an excuse not to watch the rest of the show which is pretty much fantastic all the way through. The storytelling and production values are some of the best I've seen in an anime.
I'll second Ergo Proxy and Tytania. The art on the latter is pretty poor, but the feudal politics more than make up for it.
Twelve Kingdoms doesn't appear to have been mentioned, so I'll throw that out there. I'm yet to watch all of it, but it's a very compelling high fantasy series with a wonderful soundtrack.
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Just finished Yukikaze and I have to say: Thanks TrashMan for that hint :>
I really liked it.
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Samurai Champloo anyone?
Oh and DeathNote was awesome.
EDIT: So was Blade of the Immortal.
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I've read two bloggers' reviews about Clannad After Story, and both of them seem to have praised it on overall. Is it THAT good?
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I'll +1 the recommendations for Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Black Lagoon, Samurai Champloo, Ergo Proxy and Wolf's Rain. (My rule of thumb is, if Yoko Kanno worked on it, it's at least worth checking out)
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I've read two bloggers' reviews about Clannad After Story, and both of them seem to have praised it on overall. Is it THAT good?
Have you seen Air or Kanon (original or 2006 version)? If yes and you liked those, then you may well like Clannad After Story. However, After Story picks up where Clannad left.
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I'll +1 the recommendations for Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Black Lagoon, Samurai Champloo, Ergo Proxy and Wolf's Rain. (My rule of thumb is, if Yoko Kanno worked on it, it's at least worth checking out)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno#Anime_works
She friggin rocks. Forget John Willians, she's 100 times better. She's even a Greater Diety in the TV Tropes Pantheon:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Pantheon/Craft
That's said, I'm just finishing Azumanga Daioh - that thing is da ****z. Sindefield on crack. Not as funny as Excel Saga, more downright bizzare.
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I feel an urge to write several paragraphs citing shows that everyone should actually watch (though The E touched on a few of the essentials), but I'm far too lazy at the moment. :p Suffice it to say that just about anything created by Studio BONES is pure gold.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Kanno#Anime_works
She friggin rocks. Forget John Willians, she's 100 times better. She's even a Greater Diety in the TV Tropes Pantheon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUk2r-cJtTs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2_9epHxhhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfLskTpT6I0
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You're linking the Escaflowne opening and NOT one of the awesome soundtracks? :wtf:
No Epstile? No Dance of Curse? No Revenge? No Regret? (yes, I got the whole soundtrack) You're all backwards man.
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Couldn't be arsed to dig for song names, it's been great many years since I've last listened to Escaflowne tracks.
However, here are a few from Initial D. Unfortunately the best tracks have been pulled from Youtube or availability is limited. :sigh: Either way, Initial D is a must watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1jMO3GtSp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSl_Uktt3Hg
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If you don't watch Ghost in the Shell, you suck. There, I said it.
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Oh yeah, what about .hack//?
Talk about awesome music in the anime... especially in .hack//SIGN. Have a listen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECv1qCejNuQ). The fact that the DVD's have the option to play the series with the only sound being the music should tell you something.
.hack// is... unique. Very slow-moving, very little action (except for the games, but that's to be expected). What that does mean is that the series is almost completely driven by character development and dialogue, which is not a bad thing at all.
The problem is that it isn't exclusively anime: there are manga, novels, and videogames that all tell separate parts of the story, and they all cross-over a bit and reference each other. If you want the whole story, you'll have to watch/read/play all of them.
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If you don't watch Ghost in the Shell, you suck. There, I said it.
If you mean the movie, I'll strangle you with your own bedsheets.
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I agree with NGTM-1R. The movies made no bloody sense but I liked Stand Alone Complex, both seasons.
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Couldn't be arsed to dig for song names, it's been great many years since I've last listened to Escaflowne tracks.
HERESY! YOU WILL BE PURGED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfkqkVMEqmk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UK2YtSRzQU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbnPOKOSKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeRixRQ9Po4&feature=related
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Fun fact: Escaflowne features gender-bending. :D
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Fun fact: Escaflowne features gender-bending. :D
:blah:
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5. The Big O: Another giant robot show (this is getting silly now). Possibly holds the prize for best opening sequence ever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdA6iRk94Hc)
You call that the best opening sequence ever? :wtf:
I feel an urge to write several paragraphs citing shows that everyone should actually watch (though The E touched on a few of the essentials), but I'm far too lazy at the moment. :p Suffice it to say that just about anything created by Studio BONES is pure gold.
Do that. Lists like that are always interesting.
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5. The Big O: Another giant robot show (this is getting silly now). Possibly holds the prize for best opening sequence ever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdA6iRk94Hc)
You call that the best opening sequence ever? :wtf:
Its notable becuase it pays hommage the to Flash Gordon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGFmUdXhjE0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGFmUdXhjE0&feature=related)
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Neon Genesis Evangelion and its movie, End of Evangelion.
Enough high-octane nightmare fuel to last a lifetime.
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Do that. Lists like that are always interesting.
Meh, what the hell, I'm bored anyway. I've been doing this for a few years, and the list (http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Top_Gun) is up to 150 completed entries and counting, so I've seen a good variety of stuff. These are in no particular order, as I'm just going down that list and picking out several of my favorites, and I hope you'll forgive me if I repeat any earlier suggestions. As in all things, your mileage may vary.
Also, this could (read: will) get very, very long. :p
1) One Piece -- Into long-running shounen? This is the long-running shounen, par excellence. (For those not in the know, a "shounen" is an anime or manga primarily targeted at younger teenage boys, generally of the action variety.) More specifically, One Piece is how one does the long-running anime series right. It has an art style all its own, its main cast is eminently lovable and goes through an amazing amount of growth for a show of this type, the universe it's set in is insane in the best sort of way, and most importantly of all, it just keeps getting better, story arc after story arc. Particularly notable is its main protagonist, Monkey D. Luffy, the man who would hunt down the legendary treasure One Piece and become the Pirate King...I've seen a whole lot of characters of his type, but no one with as unique a personality as his. The taste of adventure, the true value of friendship, the perseverance of inner strength...it hits all those old standbys in spades. The show's currently surpassed 400 episodes in Japan, so this isn't something you'd sit down and watch over the course of the weekend. Just stay far away from the horrifically butchered 4Kids English adaptation; thankfully, the American distributor FUNimation Entertainment is currently releasing it in uncut form.
2) The Big O -- I know it was just brought up, but I have to give some love to my personal favorite series. Take one part steampunk-esque classic mecha action, mix in a heavy dose of film noir stylings, combine with liberal amounts of questions regarding the value of memories and one's true identity, and sprinkle in a bit of Jewish mysticism and Metropolis references, and you have Big O. Forty years ago, the people of Paradigm City, humanity's last refuge, lost all of their memories; today, Paradigm's top negotiator Roger Smith protects the city as the Dominus of the giant robot Big O and tries to get to the bottom of the city's past. Trying to figure out exactly what's going on may drive you mad, and the ending is one of those heartbreaking semi-cliffhangers that will probably never get resolved, but the ride's well worth it. Plus, there's a bunch of giant robots repeatedly tearing the crap out of everything, which is always good stuff. BIG O! SHOWTIME!
3) Cowboy Bebop -- I know almost everyone has probably heard of this before, but there's no way it could be left off such a list. For my money, Bebop is the best anime series of all time, hands-down, and easily one of the best pieces of entertainment I've ever seen in any medium. In the year 2075, humanity is scattered across the solar system after a hyperspace cataclysm rendered Earth uninhabitable, and dangerous bounty heads are chased down by "cowboys" after quick cash. Spike, Jet, Faye, and Ed, the crew of the ship Bebop, try to outrun the demons of their past as they make their way through this world. The show largely consists of stand-alone episodes, relying on the incredible strength and humanity of its main cast to bind it together. The production values are top-notch, and Shinichiro Wantanabe's genius touch of direction turns almost every episode into its own independent masterwork. And the music...by God, the music. This is Yoko Kanno at her very very best, breaking out all the stops and infusing the whole production with jaw-droppingly awesome jazz and blues tunes; in many ways, the soundtrack is just as much a cast member as any of the actual characters. I can't recommend this series enough, really. Oh, and if you are watching for the first time, please do it in English, as the American cast easily outstrips its Japanese counterparts.
4) Dennou Coil -- Sadly unavailable domestically at this time, this little gem of a show takes a good look at what our daily lives might be like with the addition of augmented reality. By wearing special goggles, one can get a glimpse of the virtual world around oneself, including all of the wonders and dangers that that world possesses. A group of schoolchildren manage to get caught up in a strange web of hacking, viruses, and corrupted cyberspace, but the consequences to one's mind wind up being far more serious than a crashed hard drive. It's kind of a bit hard to describe, but there's some great plot and character work here.
5) Eden of the East -- This series just aired this past spring, and its storyline is still waiting on two movies to complete it, but I had to throw this in. A Japanese college grad named Saki Morimi is on vacation in Washington, D.C., standing just outside the White House, when she comes across something strange. There's a man standing there. Completely naked. Carrying a cellphone with almost ten billion yen's worth of credit on it. And with no memory at all of his identity or past. Yup. Saki soon finds herself caught up in the world of this strange man, who it turns out goes by the name of Akira, a world surrounding a secret "game" to change the course of Japan's future. Like your Bourne-Identity-esque conspiracy thrillers? This is right up your alley.
6) Ergo Proxy -- From the crazy writing mind of Dai Sato, whose touch can be felt on several of the shows on this list, comes a post-apocalyptic tale of artificial intelligence and existential philosophy. Re-l Mayer, of the authoritarian domed city of Romdo, comes into contact with a strange monstrous creature called a Proxy that's somehow related to a virus infecting the city's androids, as well as a mysterious immigrant by the name of Vincent Law. Her journey to find out just what the hell is going on leads her outside of the city's "safe" confines and into the blasted wasteland of what's left of Earth. There's a whole ton of classical philosophy at work here (that virus goes by the name of "Cogito"), and while you may be scratching your head half the time, it's a nice brain-teaser of a ride.
7) Eureka seveN -- Ostensibly about sky-surfing giant robots and strange alien creatures, this Dai Sato work is really one of the most well-developed love stories I've seen portrayed in any medium. Renton Thurston is your standard anime teenage boy who's bored with his life...until the day a mysteriously beautiful girl named Eureka literally crash-lands her mech on his grandfather's mechanic shop. Renton soon gets whisked away with the anti-government group Gekkostate, headed by his sky-surfing idol Holland, yet he soon finds that he might be in over his head. The first half of the series concentrates mostly on character development, and the unfolding of the relationship between Renton and Eureka, culminating in a supreme Crowning Moment of Awesome at the halfway point...after that, it's full speed ahead plot-wise. As I said, the real joy of this show is watching Renton and Eureka slowly come to terms with their feelings for each other and develop as characters; by the end, they've come light-years ahead of where they started. This one might not be for everyone, as I've seen a few of you bums speak against it in the past, but I count it as one of my all-time sentimental favorites.
8) Fooly Cooly (FLCL) -- Crafted by the crazy minds at Gainax, the studio responsible for Neon Genesis Evangelion, this gorgeously-animated 6-episode OVA (direct-to-video release) is, simply put, pure insanity. Naota is your average middle-schooler, living in a town where nothing happens...until an alien girl riding a Vespa scooter smacks him in the noggin with a Rickenbacker bass and starts pulling giant robots out of his head. Yup. The production staff was given essentially the budget of an entire 26-episode series, and the insane results include such gems as two animated-manga scenes, a South Park parody or two, some Matrix bullet-time, a Lupin the 3rd homage, a John Woo tribute, a Daicon IV throwback, and more nerdy references than you know what to do with. And yet at its core, it's essentially a coming-of-age story. Oh, and did I mention the fantastic soundtrack contributed by Japanese rockers The Pillows? This is an absolute must-see for everyone, and I'd highly recommend giving it a listen in English, as it's one of the best dubs out there.
9) Fullmetal Alchemist -- This popular series from a few years ago tells the story of Edward and Alphonse Elric, two brothers who pay the ultimate sacrifice in an attempt to bring their mother back from the dead, and who now seek to regain what they have lost. The fundamental principle at work here is that of alchemy, the ability to transmute matter into something completely different...but unlike the ancient treatment, this alchemy is subject to strict scientific rules, such as the Law of Equivalent Exchange (think conservation of matter). To overcome this supreme law, Ed and Al must seek out the Philosopher's Stone, a legendary item that can overcome equivalent exchange and grant them what they seek...but at what cost? The plot is intricate, the characters are complex, and the whole package is a ton of fun. This original 2005 anime series started off fairly close to its parent manga, but instead of going into a realm of "fillers" as so many shounen series do, it chose instead to craft an entirely-original second half, to great result. I'm not really sold on the concept of the brand-new remake, which adheres very closely to the manga, so I haven't been watching it.
10) Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex -- Set in an alternate storyline than the 1996 movie, this cyberpunk gem based on the works of Shirow Masamune follows the members of Public Security Section 9 as they deal with cyberterrorism and government corruption in a world heavily changed by the 'Net. When humans can enclose their brains in fully-prosthetic human bodies, and artificial intelligences become almost indistinguishable from the human mind, what really defines humanity? What is this "ghost" that represents the human soul? GITS deals with all sorts of fun stuff like this, particularly through the eternally-cheerful Tachikomas (think super-curious five-year-olds...in the form of multiped tanks). Both the first and second season (known as 2nd Gig) consist of both stand-alone episodes and an overarching storyline, and everything's pulled off with top-notch production values. Oh, and did I mention the fantastic Yoko Kanno soundtrack?
11) Haibane Renmei -- This beautifully-understated little show comes from the creative mind of Yo****oshi ABe. A girl named Rakka awakes from a giant cocoon in a mysterious walled city and finds herself as one of the Haibane...winged creatures with no memories of their past lives. The Haibane live out their lives among normal humans in this strange town, at least until their mysterious Day of Flight. The series has what I can only describe as a beautifully warm feel, with rich characters whose personal struggles with identity lay at the heart of the story. This is another one that's very difficult to put into words, but it really is a wonderful piece of work.
12) Kaiba -- Speaking of shows that are incredibly difficult to put into words...hoo boy. A boy named Kaiba suddenly awakens with no memory--and a hole in his chest. He finds himself in a strange, fantastical world that can probably best be described as Dr. Seuss on crack. In this world, memories can be removed from the body and transferred to another, so even death can be surmounted...so long as you're able to pay. The true noteworthy feature of this series is the art style, which can only be described as ridiculously unique (http://omisyth.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/apr_kaiba.jpg), though I guess another would be that you'll probably have little idea what the hell is going on until halfway through.
13) Kino's Journey -- Yet another in the "hard to describe" pile. A quiet traveler by the name of Kino and her talking motorcycle Hermes journey from one town to the next, following her rule of staying only three days in any particular place. Each episode is its own stand-alone story, centered on a particular theme generated by the town in question. It's a very whimsical, almost dreamlike sort of show, just the thing for when you just want to sit back and spend some time in quiet thought. Oh, and the music is quite beautiful.
14) Monster -- Very closely based on the manga by Naoki Urasawa, this psychological thriller centers on a Dr. Tenma, a brilliant Japanese neurosurgeon working in Japan, who one day is called on to save the life of a young boy named Johan stricken by a gunshot wound to the head. Tenma is successful...but when Johan returns years later, his life is thrown into a living hell, and he must fight to clear his name and rid the world of the evil that he unwittingly unleashed. Simply put, this series is 74 episodes' worth of fantastically-plotted thriller, populated by a rich and well-developed cast of characters. The persona of Johan is by far the creepiest antagonist I've come across in anime, but in an awesome way. Is there such a thing as pure evil in the world? Watch this gem to find out.
15) Noein -- This uniquely-animated piece of science-fiction centers around a young girl by the name of Haruka, who finds herself at the center of an interdimensional war between dimension-hopping Dragon Knights and an entity known as Shangri'la that seeks the annihilation of all space-time. As luck would have it, Haruka is apparently the Dragon Torque and has the power to alter the flow of dimensions. What hooked me about this show is how effectively it utilizes many of the metaphysical aspects of the various interpretations of quantum mechanics, specifically the many-worlds interpretation; it's the only anime I know of where Schrodinger's cat actually makes a cameo. Haruka and her friends are given one of the most realistic treatments of middle-schoolers I've seen, and it's their interactions that really help drive the story.
16) Paranoia Agent -- By the master of psychological head-cases Satoshi Kon, creator of such films as Perfect Blue and Paprika, comes this disturbing little tale of a strange entity called L'il Slugger, who with one swing of his golden bat brings relief to those driven to absolute despair. The detectives put on his case have to wade their way through a series of psychologically-troubled victims, starting with Tsukiko Sagi, designer of the immensely-popular animated dog Maromi. But as the case unfolds, the boundaries between fantasy and reality start to break down, and the question of just what Maromi represents comes to the forefront. Both a mind-screwing psychological trip and a poignant commentary on current Japanese society, this one's a must-see.
17) Planetes -- From Goro Taniguchi, the director behind the schizophrenic-yet-massively-entertaining Code Geass and the utter fr00tiness that is s-CRY-ed, comes...a work of hard science fiction? With incredibly well-developed characters? Bwuh? But yes, this is the case. In the year 2075, humanity has finally expanded beyond Earth's boundaries, settling on lunar colonies and in massive space stations in low Earth orbit. Unfortunately, with the advent of space travel has come the ever-growing threat of space debris, a threat that holds deadly consequences for any spacecraft in the wrong place at the wrong time. The members of the Debris Section of the space-based Technora Corporation, derogatorily referred to as "Half-Section," are faced with the mundane yet necessary task of removing troublesome bits of debris from orbit, clearing the way for space commerce. Yes, this show is about space garbage collectors, but it's also a fantastic work of hard sci-fi...there's no sound in space, things move like they're supposed to, and the characters floating in 0-G look as natural as those on the ISS today. There's some great character interplay at work here, particularly between the main characters Hachi and Ai. Highly recommended for anyone who loves sci-fi.
18) Samurai Champloo -- Another work from the masterful Shinichiro Wantanabe of Bebop fame, this anachronism-packed romp through feudal Japan tells the story of a young girl named Fuu who's looking for "a samurai who smells of sunflowers." She's joined by the hotheaded vagrant Mugen and the demure ronin (ex-samurai) Jin on her quest, which leads her to Edo and beyond. This series is heavily influenced by its hip-hop soundtrack, provided by some of Japan's biggest names in that genre, to the point where it takes on a style all its own. You'll see everything from beatboxing carpenters, to a graffiti-tagging contest, to ninjas playing baseball...all in Japan of the 1600s. Again, the characters are Wantanabe's true strength, and his directorial masterwork is evident in every episode. Definitely worth a look-see.
19) Seirei no Moribito -- Also known as Guardian of the Spirit, this recent high fantasy gem centers around Balsa, a female bodyguard who's deadly with her spear, who one day comes across and rescues a young boy who's been thrown into a raging river. Said boy just so happens to be Chagum, second crown prince of the Yogo Empire, and he just so happens to be carrying a secret: his body has been possessed by the egg of a water spirit. As his father the emperor sees no other choice but to execute his possessed heir, Balsa answers the plea of Chagum's mother and agrees to protect the boy come hell or high water. This Production I.G. work features some of the highest production values I've come across in a televised series; the background art is practically orgasmic. If you're a fan of an incredibly well-crafted literary story, this is definitely for you.
20) Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann -- Generator of many memes, recipient of much hype, Gurren-Lagann is packed with more raw manliness than an entire World's Strongest Man competition. Gainax's loving tribute to the super-robot classics of the past, and in many ways an anti-Evangelion, Gurren-Lagann starts out showing the life of Simon the Digger, a young boy living in an underground village whose hot-blooded best friend Kamina dreams of breaking through to the forbidden surface. One day, Simon digs up a small robot with a big face called Lagann, and the drill that powers it up...and with that, everything changes. Simon and Kamina, along with the bombshell sniper Yoko and the pig-mole Boota, find themselves caught up in an underdog fight against the oppressive Beastmen, led by the mighty Spiral King. But even that isn't the end of things...though I won't say any more here. Gurren-Lagann is 27 episodes of hot-blooded manly spirit, ridiculous super robot action, and incredibly fun characters, and it manages to keep ratcheting up the scale and scope of things (quite literally) as its plot unfolds. Leave plausibility and realism at the door, and enjoy the very personification of the Rule of Cool.
21) Trigun -- Based on the manga by Yasuhiro Nightow, this true space Western centers around the persona of Vash the Stampede, the "Humanoid Typhoon," a dangerous man with an enormous $$60 billion bounty on his head. Insurance agents Meryl Strife and Milly Thompson are dispatched to catch up with the fearsome Vash and try to mitigate the massive damage toll he's been racking up. What they find when they finally come across him is not a terrifying force of nature...but instead a goofy klutz who craves donuts and lives by the motto, "LOVE AND PEACE!!!" It soon becomes apparent, however, that this man really is a legendary gunfighter...so why is it that he refuses to take another human life? This is one of those old standbys from the past decade for so that should be on anyone's watched list.
22) Wolf's Rain -- Last (at long last), but certainly not least, is this masterwork from the minds of Studio BONES, also responsible for Eureka seveN and (before they were formed) Cowboy Bebop, which is probably the one series I can pick out that truly turned me into an anime fan. In a cold post-apocalyptic future, wolves are thought of as nothing more as an extinct legend of the past...yet they still walk among humans today, concealing their presence from the oblivious people around them. A lone wolf by the name of Kiba, driven by the scent of the lunar flower, meets up with fellow wolves Tsume, Hige, and Toboe, who together seek out the mysterious Flower Maiden, Cheza, whom legend says is capable of opening the way to the wolves' true Paradise. Along the way, they manage to drag several humans into the web of mystery surrounding Cheza, and are forced to deal with the machinations of the mysterious Nobles, who seek the Flower Maiden for their own nefarious ends. The series manages to meld together Eastern and Western spiritual concepts of sin and rebirth into a coherent whole. If Big O is my favorite series and Cowboy Bebop is what I call the best, I'd define Wolf's Rain as by far the most beautiful I've had the pleasure to watch. The artwork is gorgeous, the characters incredibly memorable, and the soundtrack is Yoko Kanno at her emotion-grabbing best. The original series includes four recap episodes necessitated by the SARS scare a few years back, but it concludes properly in a four-episode OVA...and if this conclusion does not move you to tears even once, I have to include that you are less than human. Just a stunningly, soul-movingly beautiful work.
Well...that was ridiculously long. :lol: If even one person reads all of that, I'll be intensely surprised. I didn't bring up any movies, but I can note those quickly. Anything by Hayao Miyazaki is obviously incredibly good stuff; the epic fantasy Nausicaa is my personal favorite. Satoshi Kon's works, which I mentioned in the Paranoia Agent entry, are all good mind-bending stuff as well. For gorgeous background art and wistfully sentimental storytelling, I highly recommend Makoto Shinkai's three films, though I think I liked The Place Promised in Our Early Days the most. And finally, for something completely different, the Gainax work Dead Leaves manages to take the most insane elements of FLCL and Gurren-Lagann and then crank the volume up to 11.
...why the hell do I get myself into stuff like this? :p
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I only read the ones which I actually already had watched. Yeah, I'm stupid that way.
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This thread is terribly short on recommendations for
befriending Nanoha.
Yes, yes, it's a magical girl show. It's also the most terribly awesome magical girl show ever made. Truthfully, the series has moved away from magical girl conceits starting about episode seven, and season four has completely dropped the Mahou Shojo from the title apparently. This is just as well, because it was apparently always Nanoha's destiny to be the RX-78-2 in a schoolgirl outfit.
No, I'm not kidding. The show owes about 4/5th of itself to giant robot series. Striker S, the third season, even has what amounts to Gao Gai Gar-tan in Subaru Nakajima. Stock footage is conspicous by its absence; fight scenes are well-coreographed and usually rich in high-energy beam weaponry. Admittedly, some people go into fits over the first season/second season single-use transformation sequence and what was termed its "maligant lolicon" content, but that's cutting your nose off to spite your face. Stick with it, it won't dissapoint.
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Truthfully, the series has moved away from magical girl conceits starting about episode seven, and season four has completely dropped the Mahou Shojo from the title apparently.
There's a fourth season? As in, after StrikerS? Why didn't I get the memo? I demand to know the title!
Oh and Hajime no Ippo and Hunter x Hunter are awesomeness personified.
The first is about a teenager who gets into the world of boxing and follows his path towards the top while the second is about a kid who discovers his father is the greatest "hunter", think hired jack of all trades, who ever lived and is trying to find him by becoming one.
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There's a fourth season? As in, after StrikerS? Why didn't I get the memo? I demand to know the title!
Currently, AFAIK, only the promotional manga has actually been released. The rest is still in production.
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I just finished watching both Appleseed movies. Rating: Very good. Recommend to anyone else that likes anime and/or video games. It has seriously the best CGI animation I have ever seen. The best is in the second movie, but the first is still head and shoulders above most. The only issue is that the lip movements don't completely match up. But hey, if they did, it wouldn't be anime. Also has some of the best movie gunfights I've seen in a long time.
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The only issue is that the lip movements don't completely match up. But hey, if they did, it wouldn't be anime.
The funny thing about lip-syncing in anime is that, for the most part, Japanese voice actors don't make a whole ton of concerted effort to stay in-sync with the animation, so their TV audiences are fairly used to voices not matching up completely. The place this causes headaches is when English-speaking actors have to try to dub an anime series. Unlike in Japan, most American animation's voicework is recorded before the animation is complete, and the character's lips are synced to pre-existing audio. As a result, domestic audiences are used to seeing that sort of match-up, so American dubbers have to put extra effort into making sure that the script and performances get as close as possible to the lip-flaps. I've seen some people hypocritically criticize English dubs for having poor lip-syncing, when the original Japanese is generally far worse. :p
And yeah, I did have a lot of fun with the first CGI Appleseed movie, though I haven't seen the second yet. It's not exactly the cream of the crop as far as movies go, but it's a great visual experience. That final battle scene was something else.
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If you haven't seen the second one, you're missing out. The animation in the second one is an order of magnitudes better than the first one, which is itself head and shoulders above most other CGI out there.
As to this point:The funny thing about lip-syncing in anime is that, for the most part, Japanese voice actors don't make a whole ton of concerted effort to stay in-sync with the animation, so their TV audiences are fairly used to voices not matching up completely
They used facial motion capture for the lip movements, so I imagine that it's spot on in the original Japanese *Note to self: Watch in Japanese*.
Also, the plot, while a little out there, is well executed. The visuals do nothing but help. I couldn't help but be reminded of ESIV: Oblivion when it came to the CGI, but better than that. The last 30 minutes are liberally sprinkled with Nightmare Fuel, which gives a great deal of atmosphere. Also, the mecha battles are pretty bad-ass too.
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Finished watching Ergo Proxy. Love the art style used....but watching the show is a creepy drugged experience. The storyline is messed up, a whole lot is unexplained. A lot of dreamy/vision/surreal episodes. It felt like Evangelion (the last two episodes) again.
Final conclusion: Good, but not that good.
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It's like that, yeah. I loved it, personally, but it's certainly not a satisfying show in any sort of traditional way.
Thanks for the list, Mongoose. I've added a bunch of those on my to-watch list.
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This thread is terribly short on recommendations for befriending Nanoha.
Yes, yes, it's a magical girl show. It's also the most terribly awesome magical girl show ever made. Truthfully, the series has moved away from magical girl conceits starting about episode seven, and season four has completely dropped the Mahou Shojo from the title apparently. This is just as well, because it was apparently always Nanoha's destiny to be the RX-78-2 in a schoolgirl outfit.
No, I'm not kidding. The show owes about 4/5th of itself to giant robot series. Striker S, the third season, even has what amounts to Gao Gai Gar-tan in Subaru Nakajima. Stock footage is conspicous by its absence; fight scenes are well-coreographed and usually rich in high-energy beam weaponry. Admittedly, some people go into fits over the first season/second season single-use transformation sequence and what was termed its "maligant lolicon" content, but that's cutting your nose off to spite your face. Stick with it, it won't dissapoint.
Spreading love through superior firepower!
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This thread is terribly short on recommendations for befriending Nanoha.
Yes, yes, it's a magical girl show. It's also the most terribly awesome magical girl show ever made. Truthfully, the series has moved away from magical girl conceits starting about episode seven, and season four has completely dropped the Mahou Shojo from the title apparently. This is just as well, because it was apparently always Nanoha's destiny to be the RX-78-2 in a schoolgirl outfit.
I'm not familiar with magic school girl shows, my exposure to anime is pretty limited. However I know what a mobile suit is and the statement about her being an RX-78-2 incarnate had me in stitches.
My anime repertoire being what it is...
Cowboy Bebop
08th MS Team
0083 Stardust Memory
Macross
Macross DYRL
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Meh. .. my list want much bigger until recently either.
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Here's the big damn list of things I've seen:
009-1 (12 eps)
3x3 Eyes OVA 1 (4 eps)
3x3 Eyes OVA 2 (3 eps)
5 cm per second
801 TTS Airbats (7 eps)
AD Police Files OVA (3 eps)
AD Police TV (12 eps)
Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka (12 eps)
Akikan (12 eps)
Akira
Alien 09 OVA (4 eps)
All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku OVA (6 eps)
Amon Saga
Angelic Layer (26 eps)
Appleseed OVA
Appleseed (2004)
Appleseed Ex Machina
Area 88 OVA (3 eps)
Area 88 TV (12 eps)
Argento Soma (26 eps)
Armitage III - Dual Matrix
Armitage III - Poly Matrix
Armitage III OVA (4 eps)
Armor Soltier Mellowlink (12 eps)
Armored Trooper VOTOMS - OVA 1 - The Last Red Shoulder
Armored Trooper VOTOMS - OVA 2 - Big Battle
Armored Trooper VOTOMS - OVA 3 - Roots of Ambition
Armored Trooper VOTOMS (52 eps)
Asu no Yoichi (12 eps)
Aura Battler Dunbine (49 eps)
Avenger (13 eps)
Ayashi no Ceres (24 eps)
Bakuretsu Tenshi (24 eps)
Bald Force EXE (4 eps)
Banner of the Stars - Movie
Banner of the Stars (13 eps)
Banner of the Stars 2 (10 eps)
Banner of the Stars 3 OVA
Bastard (6 eps)
Berserk (25 eps)
Beyond The Clouds
Big Wars
Black Lagoon (26 eps)
Blood The Last Vampire
Blue Gender - The Warrior
Blue Gender (26 eps)
Blue Submarine no.6 (4 eps)
Brain Powerd (26 eps)
Bubblegum Crash (3 eps)
Bubblegum Crisis 2040 Tokyo (26 eps)
Bubblegum Crisis OVA - Hurricane Live! (2 eps)
Bubblegum Crisis OVA (8 eps)
Club to Death Angel Dokuro-chan (8 eps)
Club to Death Angel Dokuro-chan 2 (4 eps)
Code Geass (25 eps)
Comedy (Kigeki)
Cowboy Bebop - Knocking on Heaven's Door
Cowboy Bebop (26 eps)
Crest of the Stars - Movie
Crest of The Stars (13 eps)
Crest of the Stars OVA
Cyber City Oedo (3 eps)
Dagger of Kamui
Dai Mahou Touge (8 eps)
Darker Than Black (25 eps)
Detonator Orgun OVA (3 eps)
Detroit Metal City (12 eps)
Dominion Tank Police (4 eps)
Dragon Half (2 eps)
Dragon's Heaven
El Hazard - OVA 1 (7 eps) - The Magneficient World
El Hazard - OVA 2 (4 eps) - The Magneficient World
El Hazard - OVA 3 (13 eps) - The Alternative World
Elfen Lied (13 eps)
Elfen Lied OVA
Ergo Proxy (23 eps)
Fate/Stay Night (24 eps)
FLCL (6 eps)
Freedom (7 eps)
Full Metal Panic - Fumoffu (12 eps)
Full Metal Panic - The Second Raid (13 eps)
Full Metal Panic - The Second Raid OVA
Full Metal Panic (24 eps)
Fushigi Yuugi OVA (3 eps)
Futari Ecchi (4 eps)
Galaxy Express 999 - The Movie
Gall Force OVA 1 (3 eps)
Gall Force OVA 2 - Rhea
Gall Force OVA 3 - Earth Chapter (3 eps)
Gall Force OVA 4 - New Era (2 eps)
Gasaraki (25 eps)
Generator Gawl (12 eps)
Geneshaft (13 eps)
Ghost in The Shell
Ghost in The Shell - Stand Alone Complex (26 eps)
Ghost in The Shell - Stand Alone Complex 2nd GIG (26 eps)
Ghost in The Shell - Stand Alone Complex Solid State Society
Ghost in The Shell 2 - Innocence
Golden Boy (6 eps)
Good Morning Althea OVA
Grave of the Fireflies
Great Teacher Onizuka (43 eps)
Grey - Digital Target
Gunbuster (6 eps)
GUNNM (AKA Battle Angel Alita)
Gunparade March (12 eps)
Gunsmith Cats (3 eps)
Guyver OVA 1 - Out of Controll
Guyver OVA 2 (12 eps)
Hack.Sign (28 eps)
Haibane Renamei (13 eps)
Hellsing (13 eps)
Her and Her Cat
Heroic Legend of Arslan OVA (4 eps)
Higan
His and Her Circumstances (26 eps)
Hoshi no Koe
Hyper Polic (25 eps)
Iczer 1 (3 eps)
Iketeru Futari (16 eps)
Infinite Ryvius (26 eps)
Innocent Venus (12 eps)
Inu Yasha - The Movie
Jin-Roh The Wolf Brigade
Kannagi (13 eps)
Kannazuki no Miko (12 eps)
Kanokon (12 eps)
Kara no Kyoukai (7 movies)
Karin (24 eps)
Kemonozume (13 eps)
Kenkoo Zenrakei Suieibu Umishou (13 eps)
Key The Metal Idol (15 eps)
Kite (2 eps)
Kurau Phantom Memory (24 eps)
Kurogane no Linebarrels (24 eps)
Laputa - Castle in The Sky
Last Exile (26 eps)
Legend of Crystania OVA (3 eps)
Legend of Lemnear
Love Love? (13 eps)
M.D. Geist 2
M.D. Geist Director's Cut
Macross - DYRL
Macross 2 - The Movie
Macross Flashback 2012
Macross Plus OVA (4 eps)
Macross Zero OVA (5 eps)
Madlax (26 eps)
Madox-01
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (13 eps)
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A (13 eps)
Mai HiME (26 eps)
Martian Successor Nadesico - Prince of Darkness
Martian Successor Nadesico (26 eps)
Megazone 23 (3 eps)
Memories OVA (3 eps)
Mezzo Forte OVA (2 eps)
Mezzo Forte TV AKA DSA (13 eps)
Millennium Actress
Mnemosyne (6 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam - Char's Counterattack
Mobile Suit Gundam - The Movie Trilogy
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080 (6 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 OVA (13 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam 8th MS Team (12 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Evolve
Mobile Suit Gundam F91
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (50 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED OVA
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Stargazer (3 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing (49 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Endless Waltz Movie
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Endless Waltz OVA (3 eps)
Mobile Suit igLoo (3 eps)
Mobile Suit igLoo Apocalypse (3 eps)
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (51 eps)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 1 - Heirs to The Stars
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 2 - Lovers
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 3 - Love is The Pulse of The Stars
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (50 eps)
Murder Princess (6 eps)
Nausicaa and The Warriors of The Wind
Neon Genesis Evangelion - Death
Neon Genesis Evangelion - End of Evangelion
Neon Genesis Evangelion - Renewal 2003 (26 eps)
New Dominion Tank Police (6 eps)
Ninja Scroll
Ninja Scroll TV (13 eps)
Noir (26 eps)
Now and Then, Here and There (13 eps)
Oh! My Godess - The Movie
Oh! My Godess OVA (5 eps)
Orguss 2 OVA (6 eps)
Otaku no Video OVA (2 eps)
Outlanders
Outlaw Star (26 eps)
Pale Cocoon
Paprika
Paranoia Agent (13 eps)
Parasite Dolls - The Movie
Patlabor 1 - The Movie
Patlabor 2 - The Movie
Patlabor 3 - The Movie
Patlabor OVA (7 eps)
Patlabor TV (47 eps)
Perfect Blue
Phantom Quest Corp (4 eps)
Plastic Little
Porco Rosso
Power Dolls (2 eps)
Princess Mononoke
Project Arms (26 eps)
Project Arms 2nd Season (26 eps)
RahXephon - The Movie
Read or Die OVA (3 eps)
Record of Lodoss War OVA (13 eps)
Riding Bean
Robot Carnival
Rocket Girls (12 eps)
Rosario to Vampire (13 eps)
Roujin Z
Saikano (13 eps)
Saikano OVA (2 eps)
Samurai X OVA 1 (4 eps)
Samurai X OVA 2 (2 eps)
School Rumble (26 eps)
Scrapped Princess (24 eps)
Scryed (26 eps)
Sekirei (12 eps)
Sekirei OVA
Sentou Yousei Yukikaze (5 eps)
Serial Experiments Lain (13 eps)
Shakugan no Shana - The Movie
Shakugan no Shana (24 eps)
Shakugan no Shana OVA
Shakugan no Shana Second (24 eps)
Shingetsutan Tsukihime (12 eps)
Sky Crawlers
Sky Girls (26 eps)
Sky Girls OVA
Slayers TV (26 eps)
Sol Bianca - The Legacy (6 eps)
Sol Bianca (2 eps)
Sola (13 eps + 2 extra)
Soukou no Strain (13 eps)
Soukyuu no Fafner (26 eps)
Soul Link (12 eps)
Soul Taker (13 eps)
Sousei Seiki Devadasy (3 eps)
Space Battleship Yamato - Final
Space Battleship Yamato - Movie
Space Battleship Yamato (1978) - Farewell to Yamato
Space Battleship Yamato (1979) - New Journey
Space Battleship Yamato (1980) - Be Forever Yamato
Space Battleship Yamato 2 TV - The Comet Empire (26 eps)
Space Battleship Yamato TV (26 eps)
Spiral ~ Suiri no Kizuna (25 eps)
Spirited Away
Spriggan
Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko - OVA 1 (3 eps)
Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko - OVA 2 (3 eps)
Starship Operators (13 eps)
Starship Troopers (6 eps)
Sub 707R OVA (2 eps)
SunaBouzu (24 eps)
Super Dimensional Fortress Macross (36 eps)
Sword of the Stranger
Tales of Symphonia OVA 1 (4 eps)
Texhnolyze Rogue (22 eps)
The Animatrix
The Cockpit OVA (3 eps)
The Five Star Stories
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
The Irresponsible Captain Tylor OVA 1 (2 eps)
The Irresponsible Captain Tylor OVA 2 (8 eps)
The Irresponsible Captain Tylor TV (26 eps)
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (14 eps)
The Vision of Escaflowne - The Movie
The Vision of Escaflowne (26 eps)
Those Who Hunt Elves (12 eps)
Those Who Hunt Elves 2 (12 eps)
Toaru Majutsu no Index (24 eps)
Tokyo Babylon (2 eps)
Tokyo Godfathers
Toradora! (25 eps)
Touhou - Niji Sousaku 1st Movie
Toward Terra - The Movie
Toward Terra (24 eps)
Trigun (26 eps)
Tsukuyomi Moon Phase (25 eps)
Utawarerumono (26 eps)
Vampire Hunter D
Vampire Hunter D - Bloodlust
Vampire Princess Miyu OVA (4 eps)
Vampire Princess Miyu TV (26 eps)
Vandread (13 eps)
Vandread OVA
Vandread Second Stage (13 eps)
Venus Wars
Video Girl Ai OVA (6 eps)
Viper's Creed (12 eps)
Welcome to NHK! (24 eps)
Wicked City (2 eps)
Wicked City (movie compilation)
Wings of Honneamise
Witch Hunter Robin (26 eps)
Wizardry
Wolf's Rain (30 eps)
Wonderful Days
X - The Movie
X TV (24 eps)
xxxHolic - The Movie
xxxHolic (24 eps)
Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito (13 eps)
Yotoden OVA (3 eps)
You're Under Arrest - OVA 1 (4 eps)
Zero no Tsukaima (13 eps)
Zero no Tsukaima 2 - Futatsuki no Kishi (12 eps)
Zombie Loan (13 eps)
Zone of the Enders - Dolores I (26 eps)
Zone of the Enders - Idolo 2167 OVA
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I'm curious where you found VOTOMS... :P
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Flaser my friend you have too much free time.
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Flaser my friend you have too much free time.
Hey, it took me 10 years 13 years to watch all this.
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Finished watching Ergo Proxy. Love the art style used....but watching the show is a creepy drugged experience. The storyline is messed up, a whole lot is unexplained. A lot of dreamy/vision/surreal episodes. It felt like Evangelion (the last two episodes) again.
Final conclusion: Good, but not that good.
:confused:
It was a while back when I watched it, but I remember that just about everything was explained, albeit vaguely.
Unless you're talking about that really weird gameshow episode. The developer explained in some sort of press-release (which I can't be bothered to look for) that they had to deliver a lot of plot very quickly due to budget cuts (the series was originally going to be much longer).
The same thing happened with Big O. :/
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@Flaser: I can't believe you were able to stomach Gundam Seed. :ick:
And... uh... there are a few... promiscuous titles in that list. :P :nervous: ;7
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Neon Genesis Evangelion and its movie, End of Evangelion.
Enough high-octane nightmare fuel to last a lifetime.
Some people treat it as fetish fuel. :wtf:
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Misato is my wife.
Seriously though it's not that bad once you get over Shinj-emo.....
EDIT- seriously though Shes my wife >:(
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*SNIP*
boy.
*impressive whistle*
I'm surprised I didn't see Excel Saga on the list.
On a somewhat related note, anyone here watched the AMV Hell's? I friggin love em!
I'm ATM making compilation, combining the best gags.
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Just finished watching Death Note. Good visuals and interesting story, but they really overdid it with the plot twists and "lucky coincidences".
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Just finished watching Death Note. Good visuals and interesting story, but they really overdid it with the plot twists and "lucky coincidences".
I didn't care for the ending, myself. And I'm pretty sure someone already posted this, but....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/GenoStar/deathnoteinanutshell077mo0.jpg)
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Neon Genesis Evangelion and its movie, End of Evangelion.
Enough high-octane nightmare fuel to last a lifetime.
Some people treat it as fetish fuel. :wtf:
You can't forget about rule 36, when dealing with that series. :P
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Side note: I've found another good abridged series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZNza6-XDtc&feature=PlayList&p=6EC7B047181AD013&index=0).
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You can't forget about rule 36, when dealing with that series.
Do you mean Rule 34?
Apparently not.
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I didn't care for the ending, myself. And I'm pretty sure someone already posted this, but....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/GenoStar/deathnoteinanutshell077mo0.jpg)
LOL...good one. Frankly, I think the plot quality started to drop off after L and Light shacked up together. The amnesia bit and really redicolously intricate plans + crazily prepared^2 kinda started to mark the show. Still, was rather interesting. Loved hte ending where the bastard got what's coming to him.
Not happy that the killer girl stayed free.
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I didn't care for the ending, myself. And I'm pretty sure someone already posted this, but....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/GenoStar/deathnoteinanutshell077mo0.jpg)
LOL...good one. Frankly, I think the plot quality started to drop off after L and Light shacked up together. The amnesia bit and really redicolously intricate plans + crazily prepared^2 kinda started to mark the show. Still, was rather interesting. Loved hte ending where the bastard got what's coming to him.
Not happy that the killer girl stayed free.
Fixed.
It's hinted at that she commits suicide.
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20) Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann -- Generator of many memes, recipient of much hype, Gurren-Lagann is packed with more raw manliness than an entire World's Strongest Man competition. Gainax's loving tribute to the super-robot classics of the past, and in many ways an anti-Evangelion, Gurren-Lagann starts out showing the life of Simon the Digger, a young boy living in an underground village whose hot-blooded best friend Kamina dreams of breaking through to the forbidden surface. One day, Simon digs up a small robot with a big face called Lagann, and the drill that powers it up...and with that, everything changes. Simon and Kamina, along with the bombshell sniper Yoko and the pig-mole Boota, find themselves caught up in an underdog fight against the oppressive Beastmen, led by the mighty Spiral King. But even that isn't the end of things...though I won't say any more here. Gurren-Lagann is 27 episodes of hot-blooded manly spirit, ridiculous super robot action, and incredibly fun characters, and it manages to keep ratcheting up the scale and scope of things (quite literally) as its plot unfolds. Leave plausibility and realism at the door, and enjoy the very personification of the Rule of Cool.
I've heard this mentioned a few times earlier on the HLP. Thanks to your post, I finally decided to watch it.
Good stuff! The "manliness" factor definitely went down when Kamina was killed, but that's to be expected... Other than that, it was certainly worth the watch. Again, thank you for the suggestion.
:yes:
-Thaeris
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you just spoiled episode 8 for everyone who has not seen the show.
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Spoiler tags next time, please.
And it doesn't help to name what episode said spoiler takes place in LOL.
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you just spoiled episode 8 for everyone who has not seen the show.
This is like the sled in Citizen Kane. You can't not know it by now. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItWasHisSled)
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Quite right. I'm sorry if that ruined your day. Sarcasm aside, I'll be a bit more tactful next time.
In truth, spoilers usually never bother me too much. If you want to watch it, watch it regardless and get the greater value/worth from the production. Certainly plot elements are crucial in that sense, but the whole is usually not so fixated on that single point that it is ruined if revealed.
-Thaeris
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you just spoiled episode 8 for everyone who has not seen the show.
No, YOU did. Most of us who watched it or read up on it know he died, but those who haven't watched it do not know when he died. :p
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And eventually everyone else died. This is a characteristic feature of biological life forms...
:drevil:
-Thaeris
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Tone it down people and use spoiler tags. I've added spoiler tags to several messages in last page.
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I figured mine was vague enough that if the original spoiler was tagged it would be innocuous.
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you just spoiled episode 8 for everyone who has not seen the show.
This is like the sled in Citizen Kane. You can't not know it by now. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItWasHisSled)
You know, I've never seen that movie. .... .... I should really add it to my NetFlix list.
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Here's the big damn list of things I've seen:
009-1 (12 eps)
blah blah blah
Mobile Suit Gundam - Char's Counterattack
Mobile Suit Gundam - The Movie Trilogy
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080 (6 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 OVA (13 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam 8th MS Team (12 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Evolve
Mobile Suit Gundam F91
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (50 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED OVA
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Stargazer (3 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing (49 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Endless Waltz Movie
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Endless Waltz OVA (3 eps)
Mobile Suit igLoo (3 eps)
Mobile Suit igLoo Apocalypse (3 eps)
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (51 eps)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 1 - Heirs to The Stars
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 2 - Lovers
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 3 - Love is The Pulse of The Stars
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (50 eps)
blah blah blah
You missed 00, quite possibly the greatest ever, since they seemed to homage everything that came before and do something new(ish).
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Eureka Seven
Haibane Renmei
I love you.
08th MS Team
This x 1000.
There's not much that I've seen that hasn't been mentioned here already.
Gun x Sword is a solid mech show. There are some goofy designs and some episodes where it falters, but it's still a good watch. Good but not great.
Darker Than Black is a sort of a cross between X-men and... something else. A strange unexplained event leaves two large tracts of land (one in South America, one in Japan) really topsy-turvy, so they're walled off. The night sky takes on a new appearance, with the old stars and moon replaced by false stars. And super-powered people called contractors start appearing. They're called contractors because every time they use their powers they're compelled to perform some random task, from writing bad poetry, to drinking beer to, to eating dandelions. Good super-powered conspiracy show. :yes:
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Hmm, I'll add some sports series to this soup.
Hungry Heart Wild Striker:
The main guy Kanou Kyosuke is a highschool tough guy who has quit playing soccer, but because of some circumstanses he is boing forced to coach a girls highschool soccer team.
After a while he does remember how much he likes to play soccer and joins in the male team and that's how the story begins. So basicly it's about highschool soccer and games after games, but why I liked this quite a lot was that the characters were fun and the matches not that long (like in Captain Zubasa where making one goal took 3 episodes... good series that too though, and a classic). Also there are not that many super moves in this one. The only downside is that the ending is a bit too rushed. :yes::yes:
Prince of Tennis:
Hah, the best way to describe this would be "Dragonball Z on a tennis court". Seriously, in the beginning the shots the players make are... even somewhat reasonable (ok he's got long arms so that's why he can make such curves etc.), but after a while the shots are plain ridiculous. But that's the fun of it. :yes::D
Eyeshield 21:
This series is about American Football. A freshman Sena is a mousy weak fella who is often being bullied and made to run some errands (like carrying backbags etc.), and that's why he has some extraordinary legs and can run really really fast. Sena decides to join in an American Football club as a manager (a manager doesn't have to play in such dangerous games, but he can still be in a club) but the captain of the team Hiruma (one of the most awesome charactes ever) has other plans for him. Hiruma has seen Sena run and forces him to join as their running back. Sena is reluctant, but Hiruma is... well quite persuaisive. Also to keep Senas identity as a secret Hiruma makes him to wear a helmet that has an eyeshield, a player number 21 and that's how a Daimon Devil Bats hero running back codenamed Eyeshield 21 is born. Great series, all the matches are intense and lots and lots of marvelous characters. There are "supermoves" in this one. Only thing is that the manga is much better than the anime. Also the manga has been finished. Definetly gets three thumbs up from me :yes::yes::yes:
Major:
A series about baseball. Honda Goro is a small kid whose father is a pro baseball player. Goro has lost his mother when he was really small, so he now lives with his father. Lot's of things happen in the beginning of the first season, so I don't wanna spoil anything on this one. But all those things make this series what it is. Goro loves baseball, and is quite a good pitcher. Like the official description says, "A dramatic baseball series". No fireball or other that kind of supermoves on this one. But the effects make the pitches really intense. This is an ongoing series, and get's two thumbs up and a smiley :yes::yes::)
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Maybe its' me but I never liked sport animes. They are always so forced.
Anywayz, watched Gurren Toppa Lagren and it's fun. Kinda loses the funny rather fast tough. Rather mediocre actually (IMHO).
Also watched Lucky Star. It really is Seinfield on crack. Methinks Azumanga Daioh is better.
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Here's the big damn list of things I've seen:
009-1 (12 eps)
blah blah blah
Mobile Suit Gundam - Char's Counterattack
Mobile Suit Gundam - The Movie Trilogy
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080 (6 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 OVA (13 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam 8th MS Team (12 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Evolve
Mobile Suit Gundam F91
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (50 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED OVA
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Stargazer (3 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing (49 eps)
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Endless Waltz Movie
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing Endless Waltz OVA (3 eps)
Mobile Suit igLoo (3 eps)
Mobile Suit igLoo Apocalypse (3 eps)
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (51 eps)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 1 - Heirs to The Stars
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 2 - Lovers
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - A New Translation 3 - Love is The Pulse of The Stars
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (50 eps)
blah blah blah
You missed 00, quite possibly the greatest ever, since they seemed to homage everything that came before and do something new(ish).
I've seen that, I just never bothered to archive the fansubs as beside the "cool CG assisted GRAPPHHIKS" there was nothing that really went with that show. Characterisation? Bland to cliche. Story? "Skullnumbingly" didactic and predtictable.
I've also seen Gundam SEED Destiny which was an ambomination, and am watching Igloo 2.
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Someone mentioned that they didn't like the Ghost in the Shell movie earlier on. I'd just like to praise it for an above average plot and intelligent progression. Too many anime films (FILMS not long standing series) treat their audience to substandard stereotypes for fear of alienation. Ghost in the shell was the first Manga I saw since Akira that made me smile because it didn't spoon-feed me drivel dressed with explosions and boobage. . . Not that I don't enjoy simple pleasures, I just like plot once in a while too.
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The only anime film I've seen to date was the one made for Fullmetal Alchemist. It was ok... but far inferior to the series itself. I feel that the general story would have been presented far better through an actual series, which would not have had to rush through details. Which is another argument against the series-based anime movie in general...
-Thaeris
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It's always hard to make a movie out of a series. Especially if the series is awesome. How can you compress 26 episodes of awesomeness (roughly) into just an hour and a half?
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It's always hard to make a movie out of a series. Especially if the series is awesome. How can you compress 26 episodes of awesomeness (roughly) into just an hour and a half?
You don't.
Instead you either tell a different story, or really abbreviate the whole story (mercilessly cutting out a lot of stuff) and use your greater budget to bring out the ambiance that really characterized the show.
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Like explosions and boobage?
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On 00, I've found the plot to far less confusing than say SEED Destiny or X even. The characters are well written and coherent throughout the series, with no references . Some of the Mech designs are questionable, but of the Gundams themselves, only Arios looks like a cobbled together something or other.
Compare to SEED where the last few episodes of both series serve to illustrate how completely overpowered vs. everything both the Freedom and the Justice are. The 00 is technologically more powerful, mostly centers around using it's vast power generation and reserves to extend the classic weapon to near Goku like power levels, which is a little unbelievable, but they make you believe it's at least possible. The only thing I didn't quite comprehend was the "Quantizing" where 00 broke down into GN particles and vanished.
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Ok stupid question time. Who hears him say Rosebud? There was really no one there to hear it, so how did anyone know what to look for?
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It's always hard to make a movie out of a series. Especially if the series is awesome. How can you compress 26 episodes of awesomeness (roughly) into just an hour and a half?
You don't.
Instead you either tell a different story, or really abbreviate the whole story (mercilessly cutting out a lot of stuff) and use your greater budget to bring out the ambiance that really characterized the show.
You mean like the Cardcaptor Sakura one? I believe that took place after the ending of the actual anime series.
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It's always hard to make a movie out of a series. Especially if the series is awesome. How can you compress 26 episodes of awesomeness (roughly) into just an hour and a half?
You don't.
Instead you either tell a different story, or really abbreviate the whole story (mercilessly cutting out a lot of stuff) and use your greater budget to bring out the ambiance that really characterized the show.
Problem is, it rarely turns out good. the series have a lots of characters, and usually a lot of time to flesh them out and have them grow.
A movie can't really do that.
I can only name one or two good movies that were made fro ma series.
EDIT:
Just watched FLCL. WTF?? :wtf: The whole thing is retardedly f*** up, drowing in crack.
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Not really, wait a week and watch it again.
Bear in mind it has an overarching theme, I won't tell you what, but see if you can grasp what it is.
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Not really, wait a week and watch it again.
No thank you. Why would I want to do that? It already failed if I have to watch it twice just to figure out what is going on.
On to the next anime!
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Maybe its' me but I never liked sport animes. They are always so forced.
Meh, mebbe true. But they always manage the make the events intense enough to satisfy my exitement. Also as I said, on some of those series there are truly magnificent characters.
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Not really, wait a week and watch it again.
No thank you. Why would I want to do that? It already failed if I have to watch it twice just to figure out what is going on.
On to the next anime!
Remember though, this was made by the same studio that made Evangelion, and you still don't understand that either. Just watch it again after you have had time to digest it and it'll make more sense.
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I know, which is precisely my point. A movie/series/book fails if I have to watch it 10 times. That means it didn't present it's plot coherently enough. More importantly, it failed to captivate me enough to even want to watch it again.
Either way...what should I watch next...hmmmmmm
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Thundercats :p
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FLCL is strange indeed. I've read several reviews of it and noted the commentary with hopes of better understanding the objectives of the series. Ultimately it often comes down to the meaning you apply to what you've watched; hopefully that meaning is useful. In that sense, the given production often becomes like a piece of literature (which several animes are based off of anyway). I think of reading "Lord of the Flies" in high school when saying this: I compiled an abstract meaning for the text which was really quite different than what most people figured. Of course, it was high school, so I don't think all that many of the students really put too much effort into serious literary analysis...
In terms of "WTF," here's what most certainly has to be said of FLCL:
Poor kid. Essentially raped throughout the course of the series...
In regards to looking at an anime more like literature, a series like Code Geass actually becomes better when viewed in such a manner. I've noted NGTM-1R's comments and feel they have some validity, as there are some definite inplausibilities in certain plot/environment aspects. I liked the series because it actually reminded a lot of Frank Herbert's "Dune" (which due to his subject matter is often very strange as well...) in many regards, but that's a discussion in itself. Taking in directly what you see is important, but being able to extrapolate some depth in the production is also highly (or even most) important. I thought even Gurren Lagann did that to some degree...
But TrashMan's right: it takes a while to find any purpose to FLCL...
-Thaeris
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Ranma 1/2
DNAngel
InuYasha eps 1-12
Chrono Crusade
Street Fighter 2V (ADV dub from Video Tape)
Street Fighter 2 Movie
Ghost In The Shell
Neon Genesis Evangelion + Movies
Tenchi Muyo OVA 1-3
.Hack//Sign
.Hack//Liminality
Animatrix
Martian Successor Nadesico
Gundam Wing + Endless Waltz
Full Metal Panic
Full Metal Panic Fumoffu (DONT ASK)
Azumanga Dioh
Ah! My Goddess!
Tsubasa: Resovoir Chronicle
Cardcaptor Sakura (Subbed)
Sailor Moon (Subbed)
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Not Sure if Tokusatsus count...but
Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger
Jikuu Senshi Spielban
Choujinki Metalder
Uchuu Keiji Shaider
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You mean like the Cardcaptor Sakura one? I believe that took place after the ending of the actual anime series.
Actually i think he's refereing to Evangelion Death and Rebirth...
Besides dont forget that many Tokusatsu (essentially Live Action Anime) Movies are essentially blown up versions of episodes from the TV Series. I mean the Metalder Movie and the vaious Showa Kamen Rider Movies could very easily have been episodes of the TV Series
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Not really, wait a week and watch it again.
No thank you. Why would I want to do that? It already failed if I have to watch it twice just to figure out what is going on.
You already failed by missing the point. :p You're not supposed to get FLCL the first time. Or maybe even the second. But after a few rewatches, everything should become fairly clear. And the pleasure's in the rewatching, because FLCL is essentially awesomeness in a can. Just sit back, turn off your brain, and embrace the insanity. If nothing else, rewatch it to see the ridiculously awesome animation direction again, particularly that long and loving tribute to the Daikon opening animations at the end of episode 5.
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You already failed by missing the point. :p You're not supposed to get FLCL the first time. Or maybe even the second. But after a few rewatches, everything should become fairly clear. And the pleasure's in the rewatching, because FLCL is essentially awesomeness in a can. Just sit back, turn off your brain, and embrace the insanity.
I am the one missing the point? :wtf:
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I think it makes the point I stated earlier more apparent. It is what it is. Now you have to find the point it has for you. That's my take...
So I'd say you haven't missed the point at all. You have yet to determine one...
-Thaeris
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You already failed by missing the point. :p You're not supposed to get FLCL the first time. Or maybe even the second. But after a few rewatches, everything should become fairly clear. And the pleasure's in the rewatching, because FLCL is essentially awesomeness in a can. Just sit back, turn off your brain, and embrace the insanity.
I am the one missing the point? :wtf:
My point is that, by utterly closing your mind to any show that requires more than one viewing in order to completely understand, you'll never get any of the points that FLCL presents, and you'll wind up missing out on a whole list of other fantastic series in the process. Personally, I find that series which just about require at least one more viewing are those I like the most, because of how highly rewatchable they are and how much they reward the attentive viewer. I've sat through FLCL at least ten times, and each time, I've managed to catch at least one Easter egg I'd never noticed before, or pick up on some hilarious bit of dialogue that I'd glossed over...and that's not even mentioning the more thematic elements of it. If a director can keep you coming back and picking up on new material, they've done a damn good job.
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I know, which is precisely my point. A movie/series/book fails if I have to watch it 10 times. That means it didn't present it's plot coherently enough. More importantly, it failed to captivate me enough to even want to watch it again.
:yes:
Either way...what should I watch next...hmmmmmm
Check out GunGrave.
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You already failed by missing the point. :p You're not supposed to get FLCL the first time. Or maybe even the second. But after a few rewatches, everything should become fairly clear. And the pleasure's in the rewatching, because FLCL is essentially awesomeness in a can. Just sit back, turn off your brain, and embrace the insanity.
I am the one missing the point? :wtf:
My point is that, by utterly closing your mind to any show that requires more than one viewing in order to completely understand, you'll never get any of the points that FLCL presents, and you'll wind up missing out on a whole list of other fantastic series in the process. Personally, I find that series which just about require at least one more viewing are those I like the most, because of how highly rewatchable they are and how much they reward the attentive viewer. I've sat through FLCL at least ten times, and each time, I've managed to catch at least one Easter egg I'd never noticed before, or pick up on some hilarious bit of dialogue that I'd glossed over...and that's not even mentioning the more thematic elements of it. If a director can keep you coming back and picking up on new material, they've done a damn good job.
IMHO FLCL is a lot like Pulp Fiction. I tried watching it as a kid, and didn't "get" it all.... I was not in the right frame of mind. FLCL can't be watched with expectations of a "coherent, concise" message.
The whole OVA is an allegory about leaving childhood. The protagonist faces issues that were simply "not part of childhood", like guns, violence, real (trusted) friends and relationships, dealing with the opposite sex and sexual tension. This is done in a nonsensical, cheek-in-tongue manner that thanfully doesn't take itself seriously.
Naota tries to be "serious" and "grown up" all the time as a defense mechanism against his dysfunctional family and utterly irresponsible father. What he doesn't realize is that he's still just a child and instead being a grown up is just a child who "plays a grown up".
The robots, Medical Mechanika, Atoms and so on are a more literal allusion to his repressed urges, the hormonal urges of a teenager and finally the repressed feelings his situation creates in him. They literally burst out of his head, out of his subconsciousness and wreak havoc upon his little make-believe life of "responsible boredom". Only when he finally accepts his urges, his "repressed self" is when he can truly grow up....
...and KICK ASS!
Literally, and allegorically...
...to an awesome rock soundtrack by the "Pillows"!
/me hums to himself....
ORANGE no SLIDE utsusu sora
SPONGE no PRIDE burasakete
SPIDER
kike totta sono yokan wa
kakusanakuta tte ii n da
iro no tsuita yume mitai na
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Orange slide, the sky that it reflects
Sponge's pride, being dangled
Spider
The apprehension that was caught alive
It's okay even if I don't hide it
I want to have colored dreams
All in all the main reason why I think Trashman doesn't "get" FLCL is that it's a very Avant-garde OVA.
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My point is that, by utterly closing your mind to any show that requires more than one viewing in order to completely understand, you'll never get any of the points that FLCL presents, and you'll wind up missing out on a whole list of other fantastic series in the process. Personally, I find that series which just about require at least one more viewing are those I like the most, because of how highly rewatchable they are and how much they reward the attentive viewer. I've sat through FLCL at least ten times, and each time, I've managed to catch at least one Easter egg I'd never noticed before, or pick up on some hilarious bit of dialogue that I'd glossed over...and that's not even mentioning the more thematic elements of it. If a director can keep you coming back and picking up on new material, they've done a damn good job.
In other words, it's like modern art? :wtf:
Thank God you explained that. Now I'm damn sure I'll never watch it again.
If I spend hours watching an ink blob I will see something. That doesn't make it art or deep and meaningful. If you stare into anything for hours you'll start seeing things - your mind will make you see things to keep you from going insane.
Doesn't matter if it's the directors, writers or animators fault OR if it's planned like that from the beginning. The book/movie/series fails if I have to watch it 10 times. If I *want* to watch it again because of awesome story/characters, that's good. Bonus points for that.
If it didn't deliver in the first try, it didn't present the plot coherently and in a simple way. Why should I give it a second chance? Why would I watch it again? Why would I WANT to? You make it sound like re-watching it 10 times is a amazing experience and good use of time. I don't think so.
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In other words, it's like modern art? :wtf:
Thank God you explained that. Now I'm damn sure I'll never watch it again.
I didn't say that. Not once. Nor will I. It's nothing like the sort of "modern art" you're decrying.
Doesn't matter if it's the directors, writers or animators fault OR if it's planned like that from the beginning. The book/movie/series fails if I have to watch it 10 times. If I *want* to watch it again because of awesome story/characters, that's good. Bonus points for that.
But my argument was that one should want to watch it that many times, at least ideally. That's how much value both myself and many other people place on its quality. You apparently see things differently.
If it didn't deliver in the first try, it didn't present the plot coherently and in a simple way. Why should I give it a second chance? Why would I watch it again? Why would I WANT to? You make it sound like re-watching it 10 times is a amazing experience and good use of time. I don't think so.
Again, in my opinion, it is an amazing experience, though I can see now that it'd be utterly lost on you. The whole joy I've found in the medium of anime is how many plots out there aren't of the blindingly simple sort that even a ten-year-old would be able to piece together on the first attempt. That isn't to say that shows of that type can't be enormously fun, but I'm generally significantly more interested in the sorts of shows that I can sink my mental teeth into, shows that leave me thinking about them for several days after I've finished watching them.
Do yourself a favor and read what Flaser posted. All of those themes are packed into the six episodes of FLCL, and they're all handled intelligently and skillfully. The show isn't entirely clear to most people the first time around, nor as it meant to be...just as its main theme of adolescence is the most unclear period in most people's lives. Yet once you understand what's going on, you see how everything really was tied together from the very beginning. Most of the imagery in the show (besides the stuff that's just thrown in to be hilarious or look cool) has a particular symbolism or meaning to it, and being able to pick out those sorts of things on repeated viewings is what makes shows like FLCL so damn fun, at least for me. After all, if you got everything you possibly could out of one viewing of a series or movie, why would you ever bother rewatching it, or even owning it?
You know what, I won't bother derailing this thread further arguing with you. Go and watch your shounen plots, and leave the thinking to the big boys.
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The whole joy I've found in the medium of anime is how many plots out there aren't of the blindingly simple sort that even a ten-year-old would be able to piece together on the first attempt. That isn't to say that shows of that type can't be enormously fun, but I'm generally significantly more interested in the sorts of shows that I can sink my mental teeth into, shows that leave me thinking about them for several days after I've finished watching them.
Ahh...so complex plots and deeper meanings cannot be delivered in a more coherent way?
Bollocks. I watched quite a few movies and animes that left me with enough mind chewing material for at least a weeks worth of pondering.
I get what you're trying to say, but IMHO, you got your priorities mixed up. A medium - any medium - should deliver it's message as cleary as possible.
Do yourself a favor and read what Flaser posted. All of those themes are packed into the six episodes of FLCL, and they're all handled intelligently and skillfully.
Maybe they are. Maybe they are not.
Did the writer planned for that or is the symbolism only there by accident? People can read anything from everything. Do I find hte smae things in the work as you? Give me any book and some time and I will find hidden meanings and deeper truths to last you a lifetime.
Do you understand why I don't love such work much?
You know what, I won't bother derailing this thread further arguing with you. Go and watch your shounen plots, and leave the thinking to the big boys.
Ahh..the intelectual approach.
Alas, this work is too "sophisticated" for me. Just like modern art. How ever can I live with myself now?
FYI - I rather like Sinen. I'm jsut not much a fan of useless mind scre:
The Mind Screw is basically a work that relies so heavily on symbolism that the immediate response afterwards is "What the heck was that?!?!"
These works practically beg for fans to invent their own improbable theories about Epileptic Trees and such.
While some fans can make arguments over what the symbolism means, and what everything represents, many mind screws will pad themselves with meaningless sequences to make the audience work even harder. Arguments over which sequences are significant are common.. Don't expect the writer to be very helpful. And if the show has supplemental materials, don't expect them to be much help either. (If, by some miracle, they are helpful, you've got yourself a Mind Screwdriver.) The more decipherable symbolism tends to focus on the perceptions people have of one another. And puberty.
Also known as Mind ****, for those that don't mind the profanity.
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There's no reason to bother watching something again if you truly didn't like it or have no desire to find a reason or meaning for it. In that case, TrashMan's opinion of FLCL is perfectly valid.
Again I think of literature. Although I never read it personally, I knew those who read the book "Brave New World" for Advanced Literature in high school. Very few of them actually enjoyed it, even after analysis of the various interperetations of the novel.
Thus, let it be. A discussion over the meaning of a work is one thing, but trying to force your precieved meaning of that work of upon someone else who has no interest in the matter is a little rude. Not everything is for everyone...
Safety on the spoilers, though. Usually I don't mind spoilers, but FLCL has such a shock factor that it's better to keep insight to a minimum unless using spoiler tags.
As far as easily enjoyable goes, though, I would most definately recommend Moribito/Seirei no Moribito. An English dub only exists for the first 10 episodes (which were very well performed). Aparently, Adult Swim cut production after the first 10 episodes for no apparent reason. That said, you'd have to watch the rest in Japanese. The sub-work is good, though, so not too many details should be "lost in translation." I've never seen a better rendered series, either. The visuals are truly superb.
-Thaeris
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Stop this topic from becoming a "you don't get this programme blah blah" slang match or i'll lock it down quicker than a missouri state trooper >:(
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As far as easily enjoyable goes, though, I would most definately recommend Moribito/Seirei no Moribito. An English dub only exists for the first 10 episodes (which were very well performed). Aparently, Adult Swim cut production after the first 10 episodes for no apparent reason. That said, you'd have to watch the rest in Japanese. The sub-work is good, though, so not too many details should be "lost in translation." I've never seen a better rendered series, either. The visuals are truly superb.
Actually, your info is a bit out-of-date and/or incorrect. Moribito was originally licensed by Geneon Entertainment, who commissioned its dub. (Just to clarify, [adult swim] doesn't produce the dubs for any of the series that it airs; it merely obtains broadcast rights from the American licensors.) When Geneon ceased in-house distribution of titles and lost many of their licenses, the licensor Media Blasters took over the distribution rights from them. (Media Blasters has been mostly dealing in more niche series released sub-only lately, so they presumably got a good deal on it.) [adult swim]'s deal to air the show was originally made with Geneon, so when they all but closed, the broadcast rights presumably reverted to their Japanese parent company; the head of Media Blasters confirmed that his company never held the TV rights. [as] originally broadcast only the first ten episodes of the series at the ungodly hour of 5:30 AM because that was all they had to show; apparently, there was some delay in getting the video masters from Geneon to Media Blasters. [as] later re-aired the first ten episodes at a more reasonable timeslot, but due to the whole licensing snafu, they were forced to stop airing the show, and it looked as though they might have to give up the rights entirely.
But to get to the point of this whole convoluted situation, [as] recently started re-airing the series from the beginning for the third time, and they're going to continue past the tenth episode and run through the entire series. It's currently in the 1AM slot on Saturday nights (or Sunday mornings), and I think this upcoming Saturday's episode is the eighth one. All of that stuff aside, I completely agree with the recommendation; Moribito is an utter gem of a series that seems to have flown under a lot of people's radar.
And just to throw in one last remark to TrashMan, FLCL's creators have discussed/confirmed essentially everything that Flaser mentioned, so there's no "are or aren't" going on there in the least. :p In deference to our esteemed mod, I won't say any more, lest I raise the wrath of his drunk-fu.
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I've read the latest comments and on Trashman's opinion I call:
'Bollocks'
Art and literature by their nature are transcendent. That means that neither the creator nor the receiver/interpreter can claim it as their own. The reason is simple: Art/literature means something different for everyone, so you can't ascribe a singular "meaning" to it.
This is an oft forgotten fact, and literature teachers drive me up to the wall with it. Especially when they go: "the artist meant to...".
We (here in Hungary) have an anecdote about this. One of our poets, Edre Ady who - surprise! surprise! - was THE EMBODIED hungarian avant garde, well he lived to see some of his poems analyzed in class.
The lecturer started to say:
-Here, poet wants to say... - when a shout interrupts him.
-The shucks wanted! - says the poet.
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The lecturer started to say:
-Here, poet wants to say... - when a shout interrupts him.
-The shucks wanted! - says the poet.
Good God. Those are beautiful words.
-Thaeris
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This is an oft forgotten fact, and literature teachers drive me up to the wall with it. Especially when they go: "the artist meant to...".
And yet what the artist was thinking or sought to achieve with a work still exists. Galieo's Retort, as it were.
"The artist meant to" is a perfectly valid statement. That everyone draws different meanings from the final object does not conflict with the possiblity of a singular intent for the work.
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A medium - any medium - should deliver it's message as cleary as possible.
Ok, what we're saying is it did get it's message across. The theme is something most of on this forum can relate to.
FLCL is no less than Naota-kun's journey from childhood into adulthood, everything is covered, from the growing "horns" that were bigger than before to his first crush and his realization that his brother's ex has been using him as a substitute for her own first crush. Canti serves to contrast how Naota is quite powerless in the face of forces he cannot control and he wasn't prepared for, much like a child who is beginning puberty.
So, unlike Evangelion which is just a mind ****, this has a logical flow and is very deliberate, if manic, in it's delivery of thematic elements.Art and literature by their nature are transcendent. That means that neither the creator nor the receiver/interpreter can claim it as their own.
As far as this goes, an Artist does indeed "own", in every sense of the word, they're works, legally, financially, creatively. It is not an absolute ownership, as such phenomena as AMVs and other reuse of video or audio have been more or less been ruled fair use. In any such case, the artist is always free to tell the other creator either personally or through legal representation that they don't want they're property used like that. But copyright law has GOT to evolve in the face of the ability by ANYONE with access to a minimally functional computer to create perfect copies of ANY work stored on media available to that computer. The alternative is to go back to LPs and distribute like they did in the 60s
*fixed for spoilage
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Damn it, Liberator! They're called spoiler tags, use them.
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A medium - any medium - should deliver it's message as cleary as possible.
Ok, what we're saying is it did get it's message across. The theme is something most of on this forum can relate to.
In the most confusing way possible.
Why bother? Dead Poets Society, Forrest Gump, Gattaca, etc (I can keep going)... - they all have a deep emotional impact on the viewer and give your brain a lot to nibble on once the flick is over. Without having to re-watch it 10 times.
I'm saying that not all methods of delivery are equally good, regardless of the creators intentions.
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Anyway, thinking of watching something from my childhood again, just for kicks. Maybe Daitarn 3 ....hmmmm..I have started watching a few episodes of Haruhi. Not impressed so far.
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Stop this topic from becoming a "you don't get this programme blah blah" slang match or i'll lock it down quicker than a missouri state trooper >:(
please do
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One disapproval is enough after reading through the dross.
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Ey, I'm not so sure about that, it seemed a pretty substantive debate...I'm gonna unlock it for now, Dekker, but if you feel it really deserves to be shut down, let me know.
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I can see your point of view, bear in mind though members, discussion doesn't warrant "bollocks" for example, a valid response, keep it civil. . .
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Not an anime really, but this is awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9e_WIoJJnI&feature=related
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Need... fire... for... eyes.
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Not an anime really, but this is awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9e_WIoJJnI&feature=related
Old, but golden.
Up there with Evangelion Re-Death:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPtFxvtfH9I
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Since we're doing that sort of thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3LMwj2FUqs
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These 3 are fun. ANIME DANCE PARTY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPaHllWlb5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfb8HFtgW8s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlSx7qBaRk&NR=1
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Since we're doing that sort of thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3LMwj2FUqs
If you're using that song, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med5td_S-1c) is far superior.
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Decided to get befriended by Nanoha, quite frankly Ngtm-1r's promise of mobile suit action was to good to not give it a shot, and it did deliver. The first season starts off a little slow but once they introduce Fate the whole thing gets exponentially better and continues that trend through the following seasons. I'd argue by the end of season 3 Nanoha is closer to being a RX-93 ν in a schoolgirl outfit. I might whinge about the transformation stuff but other then that there isn't much not to like. The fact that the protagonist doesn't angst out about kicking ass and taking names is refreshing in and of itself. Besides the show is a tvtrope goldmine to boot.
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*agrees wholeheartedly with StarSlayer*
Just finished the series myself, and loved it. My gripe is that, from what (admittedly little) I've seen of it, the English dub appears to be very poor. Not badly translated, mind you, but the voices don't seem to be anywhere near as good, particularly the Devices (except Bardiche, I think he might be incapable of not being awesome), which sound far too mechanical.
I think I'll stick to subs, for once.
EDIT: And Haruhi S2 has finally broken out of the endless recursion of time, so we should see a return to form in the coming weeks. Not sure when the next new episode is coming... if they're doing the "Disappearance" arc (which I'm dearly hoping they are), then it'll be at the end of the season, since they're airing them in chronological order this time.
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So... this Nanoha thing has piqued my curiosity. Let's say I watched Mai-Hime, thought the first half was meh, thought the darker second half was sweet, and then thought the whole thing was ruined by its ending. That's really my only experience with any magical girl shows. Will this be up my alley?
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EDIT: And Haruhi S2 has finally broken out of the endless recursion of time, so we should see a return to form in the coming weeks. Not sure when the next new episode is coming... if they're doing the "Disappearance" arc (which I'm dearly hoping they are), then it'll be at the end of the season, since they're airing them in chronological order this time.
w00t! Sounds good.
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Just finished the series myself, and loved it. My gripe is that, from what (admittedly little) I've seen of it, the English dub appears to be very poor. Not badly translated, mind you, but the voices don't seem to be anywhere near as good, particularly the Devices (except Bardiche, I think he might be incapable of not being awesome), which sound far too mechanical.
Bardiche's first spoken words in the franchise were "Photon Lancer. Full Autofire." From that, it's pretty conclusive he's incapable of not being awesome.
So... this Nanoha thing has piqued my curiosity. Let's say I watched Mai-Hime, thought the first half was meh, thought the darker second half was sweet, and then thought the whole thing was ruined by its ending. That's really my only experience with any magical girl shows. Will this be up my alley?
I can't really say, having never seen Mai-Hime. (Though from the TVTropes entry I suspect I wouldn't like it much.) Nanoha isn't dark in the same sense most shows are. One episode from the first season, a couple episodes of A's and a multi-episode run on Striker S get pretty crapsacky, but the show isn't very fond of angst when there's asskicking that needs to be done. It comes down firmly on the side of "take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them", with arms in this case being magical BFGs. If you've ever wanted to scream at somebody in Eva to get their **** together, this is probably something you'll enjoy.
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To draw back to something mentioned around page 3 or 4... Brethern... we have potentially good news:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-08-06/fate/stay-night-unlimited-blade-works-film-confirmed
I don't care. I don't care if it has problems. What I care about. Is more than anything I want to see in animated form:
Shiro vs Archer and Shiro vs Gilgamesh
Bricks will be shat if I get that.
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Awesome.
But don't forget
Archer vs Caster, Archer vs Lancer, Archer lobing a "nuke" at Berserker and finally Archer bombarding the Holy Grail lake.
:P
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For all the HLPers....enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSkvx_5LJSI :lol: :lol: :lol:
for all Toppa Gurren Lagan fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW9e4rZC03E
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That first one was gold...but the second one "is not available due to copyright restrictions in your region"? Bwuh? We're the country that's supposed to do that to everyone else, not the other way around. :p
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Hey, everyone. I'm making advantage of the free streaming day on ANO, and two episodes in I'm liking This Ugly Yet Beautiful World. I've already been curious about it several times before, anyone's opinions on it?
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For all the code monkeys out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_wd9Qf0IE
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That video is pure gold. :lol:
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Hee, good stuff.
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUvkfULoV6U) little Weird Al ditty set to FLCL is one of the more amusing videos I've come across. But when it comes to pure video-editing quality, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQAf6MQj1kE) left me breathless.
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For all the code monkeys out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_wd9Qf0IE
Ha ha, thankfully my office ain't that bad but plenty of clients have been :D
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But when it comes to pure video-editing quality, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQAf6MQj1kE) left me breathless.
Oh yeah. That one is friggin amazing. I know a few other good ones, but that one...it's pure gold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9HCg9uBTU (One Day More - Robotech)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyiCOSJoEDU (Ramstein: Angel - Evangelion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1JTcqbtClQ (In Tenebris & Knightrider of Doom - Escaflowne)
If you can find them for Escaflowne (I will do Anything for love, Glory of Love, Heaven is a Place on Earth - all are great, but they have either been removed or the sound has been removed) I can't find either a great Saint Seiya AMV - SAGA (saints And Gold Always)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_iuBHmO89c (Goodbye - Avatar: The last Airbender)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XFh3PsOpb4 (Fairy Air Force)
for some great mixed amvs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY-ZByxy9A (She's got the Look)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gieiW1JmLQ4 (Rythm Animation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3m-dLd4Kd0 (Villanous Destiny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhDvUq_FAUk (Hereos never give up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaFnjkdCY0k (Holding out for a hero)
For a big comprehensive list:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=73767
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Mayhaps there should be a separate thread for AMVs?
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I finished watching Viper's Creed. And aside from the ending (which is complete bull****)*, it's pretty good.
*First, they have the perfect opportunity for using Chekhov's Gun with the disabled pill-box mech (see: first episode), and they completely ignore it, opting instead for a crappy 'quick-draw' scene.
Second, they bring back the one protagonist that they actually show is dead, and kill off all the ones that aren't shown dying.
If they'd done the ending better, 8-9/10. But as it was, 6.8/10. Good enough to watch. Bad enough to rage about.
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I just found out about something: Inuyasha is getting renewed. They're actually going to finish the series. Starting sometime in the fall.
I actually liked the show when it wasn't bogged down in filler, but with the manga already done, there's no real need for filler, so this could be quite good.
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As far as producers and the like are concerned, filler is like Jello. Dragonball Kai seems to be an exception.
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As far as producers and the like are concerned, filler is like Jello. Dragonball Kai seems to be an exception.
I don't know that anyone on the production side of things necessarily likes making filler episodes (though the head of the production company probably appreciates the additional DVDs to sell), but they seem to be a necessary evil in most/all long-running shounen series based on in-progress manga. Due to the peculiarities (and they are peculiar) of the Japanese television model and its audience, long-running series can't take seasonal breaks as they do in the US. As a result, whenever a show starts running close to its parent manga, its creators are forced to scramble to throw in some original material and/or draw things out as much as possible. Out of the shows in this model I've seen, One Piece has decidedly the least percentage of filler content, which is probably due to the fact that Oda's chapters apparently cram a lot of material into them; in contrast, Bleach finds itself mired in filler so frequently because Kubo Tite's chapters are relatively sparse.
Dragonball Kai sort of represents a special case in all of this, since as far as I understand, it's essentially DBZ stripped of the hideous amounts of filler and stalling-for-time that that series piled up. I couldn't tell you personally, though, since DBZ in any form is about the last series on the planet I have interest in seeing. :p
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I actually liked the show when it wasn't bogged down in filler, but with the manga already done, there's no real need for filler, so this could be quite good.
You are aware the manga didn't resolve anything, right?
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I actually liked the show when it wasn't bogged down in filler, but with the manga already done, there's no real need for filler, so this could be quite good.
You are aware the manga didn't resolve anything, right?
D:
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I actually liked the show when it wasn't bogged down in filler, but with the manga already done, there's no real need for filler, so this could be quite good.
You are aware the manga didn't resolve anything, right?
It's a Takahashi manga, why would it resolve stuff? :p
Actually, I heard the Inuyasha manga resolved quite a bit (uber-spoilers): Naraku defeated, the Shikon Jewel dealt with and gone, and the two big couples actually paired off decisively in an epilogue set three years later. That volume hasn't been translated officially yet, though.
After the not-an-ending that Ranma 1/2 had, I was a bit surprised.
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If that's actually true, I think my brain just broke. Miss Takahasi's not supposed to be able to do that dammit.
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Yeah, from what I've heard, that's all true. Maybe you were thinking of the original series, whose ending was almost quite literally a, "Hey, thanks for watching! Keep reading the manga!"
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Watched Fay Stay Night. Gotta say, it was interesting. :yes:
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Finished watching The Irresponsible Captain Tylor, and I'm disappointed.
The series, by and large, was good. It had the right dash of silly humor. But the ending was awful. No plot resolution whatsoever.
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But the ending was awful. No plot resolution whatsoever.
Welcome to anime. :p
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Finished watching The Irresponsible Captain Tylor, and I'm disappointed.
The series, by and large, was good. It had the right dash of silly humor. But the ending was awful. No plot resolution whatsoever.
But but... the ending to Tylor is great!
They have a battle where both sides win! ;)
Plus, you know, there are OVAs...
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Watched Innocent Venus. Gotta admit it was a very good anime.
Damn, I'm goblling them up like crazy.
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You guys should watch Gunbuster. It's the bomb
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Literally
They end up deploying a megastructure class gravity bomb
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Finished watching Yomigaeru Sora - Rescue Wings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yomigaeru_Sora_-_Rescue_Wings) (5.8/10).
Rescue wings is a series without any real plot. There's no real character progression, and the story tends to jump between major (if you can call them that) characters and time frames with neither rhyme nor reason. The worst part about it is that there isn't any real difference between the majority of the characters' faces, which makes it difficult to tell who is who. I literally mistook newly introduced characters (minor and major) for the protagonist (if you can call him that) at least six times.
I will say this, they managed to do a good job presenting it, despite the lack of substance.
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Question: Is there a Touhou anime?
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So TeamFourStar's account was suspended (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQ4L6gXRRE). :mad2:
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Question: Is there a Touhou anime?
I don't believe so.
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Actually, there is. Not an official one (meaning: not written by ZUN, but then roughly 90% of the series merchandise is not written by ZUN), but:
Touhou Musou Kakyou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqgCQu9PhNQ), of which a single episode has been released.
The character art looks a bit sloppy, but that was intentional. ZUN apparently requested lesser-quality characters since the overall animation was smoother that way. Their original trailer had more detailed designs.
We get lots of Touhou in-jokes and a cool battle scene between Reimu and Patchouli, so that's good. And they hired an English-speaking person to proofread their subtitles, so the translation is much better than you'd expect. Also they somehow got ahold of professional voice actors, so the voices are excellent.
EDIT: TeamFourStar is back up under a different account, here (http://www.youtube.com/user/Tfsdbzabridged). No videos up just yet, though.
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The character art looks a bit sloppy, but that was intentional.
No matter, I just watched it, and I enjoyed it all the same. :)
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That was kinda neat actually. The seiyu were really good.
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Well, they aren't really (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mai_Nakahara) small-time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kikuko_Inoue) seiyu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rie_Tanaka), either. ;)
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Hey, I recognise Rie Tanaka's name. She voiced Lacus Clyne and Sugintou. ;7
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Heard that the Unlimited Blade Works movie is being made. This should be interesting.
Can anyone recomed another good anime? Preferaby with a more realistic drawing style.
That reminds me, does anyone know the name of the anime with some soldiers fighting in the sewers with armor and masks with glowing eyes.
EDIT: NEvermind. I found out the name.
http://www.santaquiteria.net/wp-content/fgallery/200x/Jin-Roh.jpg
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Ok, Jin-Roh (the Wolfs Brigade) is stunning and downright depressing. No happy ending here. A bit too heavy on the wolf metaphore.
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Holy crap! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSQsOUzxELw) The animation looks gorgeous.
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It's a trailer. :rolleyes:
But, yes, that was impressive. :D
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I want some of the armour. :sigh:
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The only anime I've ever watched with any regularity is Avatar: The Last Airbender. :p
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Except that can be argued not to be anime.
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If you go with the actual Japanese definition of the word, which is simply "animation," then even Family Guy could rightly be called "anime." If you go with the general Western definition, "animation produced in/for Japan," then Avatar definitely doesn't qualify, as it was a US-created series. However, it definitely draws many stylistic and structural elements from anime, which its creators would be the first to admit. Whatever you call it, it was a terrific show.
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I'm not really a fan of the Fate/Stay Night stuff, but then, that's because I'm remembering its Bleached Underpants.
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The only anime I've ever watched with any regularity is Avatar: The Last Airbender. :p
No! No! Bad human! :mad2:
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Obviously you've never seen it. Definitely the best American toon of the last 10 if not 20 years.
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INCORRECT!
Harvey Birdman: Attourney at Law
However, I admit that is exceedingly OFF TOPIC.
-Thaeris
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I've been watching Avatar: The Last Airbender for the first time ever. Currently almost done with second season. It's good entertainment for sure. But I wouldn't say it is anime per-se.
Waiting to get off from work in seven hours so that I can watch the latest episode of One Piece. Which is awesome series by the way.
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I like Avatar, personally. That aside ...
tl;dr most of the thread.
My watched list is extensive. Mostly mecha and fantasy up there though.
Code Geass is a recent anime, that shat awesomness and bled godlikness. To say the least. It's a much watch, both seasons.
Hayate no Gotoku! just started its second season. It's funny and rife with modern references.
Clannad and its sequel Clannad ~After Story~ are two good anime with pretty good story. It is romance/high school though.
And finally there's Eureka Seven. Its starts out unassuming, becomes freaking awesome, ends on a very, very, very narm moment. Oh, and techno amazing grace FTFW!!!
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Firstly, you're using "narm" incorrectly. And secondly, your blind Geass fanboyism disappoints me. :p
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I'll say it again....Gundam 00 is the stuff. Course anything with a Red, White and Blue mech blowing the hell outta stuff gets a thumbs up from me. Except maybe Double Zeta, that was just weird.
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G Gundam anyone? :p
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Holy crap! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSQsOUzxELw) The animation looks gorgeous.
O_O WANT WANT WANT!
Btw, something is puzzling me here, Archer is using a weapon I do not recognize with complete certainty at the 40 second mark. I want to say Hrunting but Hrunting is used only during Fate/Hollow I thought. *Scratches head*
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I'm assuming it's
at the beginning of the UBW scenario where Saber is fighting Berserker and Archer is only seen from very far away in the novel and lobs an unknown noble phantasm (well, broken phantasm) at Berserker.
Shocking is a few seconds later when
they show Gilgamesh petting Ilya, considering what happens the instant after.
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Firstly, you're using "narm" incorrectly. And secondly, your blind Geass fanboyism disappoints me. :p
A moon with a massive heart and "Renton *heart* Eureka" isn't narm for you? Sure is for me. That scene is listed as narm on on TVTropes anyway.
Okay, so Code Geass is all awesome. It's mostly awesome.
Btw, something is puzzling me here, Archer is using a weapon I do not recognize with complete certainty at the 40 second mark. I want to say Hrunting but Hrunting is used only during Fate/Hollow I thought. *Scratches head*
Could be a crafted weapon. He is You-Know-Who.
I'll say it again....Gundam 00 is the stuff. Course anything with a Red, White and Blue mech blowing the hell outta stuff gets a thumbs up from me. Except maybe Double Zeta, that was just weird.
"Ore wa Gundam da!" has become the catch-phrase of the year for Gundam fans, apparently.
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Btw, something is puzzling me here, Archer is using a weapon I do not recognize with complete certainty at the 40 second mark. I want to say Hrunting but Hrunting is used only during Fate/Hollow I thought. *Scratches head*
Could be a crafted weapon. He is You-Know-Who.
Yes, but he can't make weapons, he can only copy them, therefore it must have existed before for him to see it. "My magic isn't creating swords. First of all, I can't do such a skillful thing."
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Once me and my friends did a project together at one of their houses. We'd done all we could for the day, so while we waited to be taken home, my friend put on Castle in the Sky. I saw the first half an hour, that's it.
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You should really take the time to watch all of Laputa. It's one of the better ones.
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You should really take the time to watch all of Laputa. It's one of the better ones.
I've enjoyed everything I've ever seen from Miyazaki-san.
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Firstly, you're using "narm" incorrectly. And secondly, your blind Geass fanboyism disappoints me. :p
A moon with a massive heart and "Renton *heart* Eureka" isn't narm for you? Sure is for me. That scene is listed as narm on on TVTropes anyway.
No, that's not narm, that's pure cheese, which I'll freely admit as someone who loves the hell out of that ending. Pure cheese, but cheese of the delicious and wonderful sort, like the gooey nacho cheese you slather on your tortilla chips. Narm would be all of the Gundam 00 cast in the episode I watched last night thinking to themselves with heartfelt emotion the name of the person they're fighting for...and then Tieria and Setsuna doing the same with "Veda" and "Gundam" respectively. :lol:
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Yeah, that was kinda silly. Except that in they're psychology, Setsuna feels that the Gundams, particularly his Gundam, are gods sent to avenge wrongs and guide mankind into the "coming dialogues"(whatever the hell that is, the common thought is XT contact), and given his very religious bent and that the first one he ever saw saved his life(exclusively) and was hovering above the ground with what appeared to be wings of light he wouldn't be far off. Tieria is a bit harder to explain. Imagine that you had a direct link to whatever your god is, you'd had it your entire life, it had given you purpose and direction in your life. Now imagine that link severed...violently. Tieria and Setsuna are both fighting for they're respective gods.
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I know there was a valid background for what they said, but it didn't make it any less amusing to hear them do so after everyone else mentioned their true love or treasured family member. It reminded me of the SD gag trailer for the second season that was released, in which Tieria and Setsuna professed undying love for each other and then revealed that they were an android and a Gundam themselves. :D
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You mean this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B-Afc2SEGc)? I LOL'd.
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Gundam is overrated.
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Code Geass is a recent anime, that shat awesomness and bled godlikness. To say the least. It's a much watch, both seasons.
No, this person is wrong, very wrong. Code Geass is a train wreck, it has so many plot twists that it becomes 5 different knots over the course of season 1 alone, and the plot just wasn't great at all.
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Gundam is overrated.
Agreed. There are only two series within the Gundam universe that I like. Wing, and 08th MS Team.
Seed (particularly season 2) was the worst, though.
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No, this person is wrong, very wrong. Code Geass is a train wreck, it has so many plot twists that it becomes 5 different knots over the course of season 1 alone, and the plot just wasn't great at all.
List of things Hades apparently doesn't like:
- Multiple plot twists - Check
- Classic 'underdog kicks ass to gain revenge' story - Check
- Symphonic soundtracks - Check
- Magnificent bastards - Check
- Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check
- All that is good and Holy - Check
- Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga (see above) - Check
Glad we settled that.
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- Multiple plot twists - Check
It's not so much that I don't like multiple plot twists, but when they occur every 3-7 minutes, it's a bit too much.
- Classic 'underdog kicks ass to gain revenge' story - Check
It's an overused and cliche story that has been done many, many times before.
- Symphonic soundtracks - Check
I never said anything about the soundtrack, so that is really a stupid assumption.
- Magnificent bastards - Check
They weren't very magnificent to me.
- Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check
Again, I never said anything about the animation, so you're just assuming again.
- All that is good and Holy - Check
Code Geass is neither good or holy. And you just pulled the "DOESN'T LIEK ANYTHING HOLY OR GOOD HURR HURR HURR" out of your ass as well.
- Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga (see above) - Check
And I don't even know what this is.
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There are only two series within the Gundam universe that I like. Wing, and 08th MS Team.
Seed (particularly season 2) was the worst, though.
I'll go with the SEED one, though when the second season started I thought it held promise, but then the fangirls boo'd, then Kira returned and the fangirls squealed and .......
I like Gundam X though, Garrod Ran, though whiny, is probably one of the most skilled pilots in UC. Zeta was okay, even with emo Kamille. And then there's V Gundam, which is very dark. Those are the ones I've watched and liked, including the original Gundam of course.
00 was passable. I just liked watching the mecha.
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- Multiple plot twists - Check
It's not so much that I don't like multiple plot twists, but when they occur every 3-7 minutes, it's a bit too much.
- Classic 'underdog kicks ass to gain revenge' story - Check
It's an overused and cliche story that has been done many, many times before.
- Symphonic soundtracks - Check
I never said anything about the soundtrack, so that is really a stupid assumption.
- Magnificent bastards - Check
They weren't very magnificent to me.
- Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check
Again, I never said anything about the animation, so you're just assuming again.
Code Geass is a train wreck,
What's your definition of 'train wreck', then? :confused:
- All that is good and Holy - Check
Code Geass is neither good or holy. And you just pulled the "DOESN'T LIEK ANYTHING HOLY OR GOOD HURR HURR HURR" out of your ass as well.
- Orson Scott Card's Ender Saga (see above) - Check
And I don't even know what this is.
The last two were obviously part of a hyperbolic joke. Forgive me for striking a nerve. :doubt:
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It is a trainwreck.
Why?
Everybody has unattainable and downright stupid objectives. Charles wants to kill god, nevermind he can't find god (if he could he'd be my personal hero) and is a douche. Lelouch rachets it up to being a dip****, and wants to end all violence by focusing all humanity's hatred on himself and then dying. This is of course also impossible. Even if he Geass'd everyone it'd only work for a generation.
Basically, all magnificent bastards in the series disallow themselves from the title because they focus on goals that are, even for them, impossible. Part of magnificent bastardy is victory, even if temporary. I have a fondness for madmen and sinners (as anyone who's ever heard me extol the virtues of GoonSwarm's The_Mittani knows), in much the same way Patton was fond of Rommel, but nobody in the show manages to arouse much sympathy or admiration. Just to top it off, the mecha went all Lensman Arms Race on us way too quickly.
So no. Code Geass is an endless flat black, an exhaustion of the mind, a revulsion of the spirit, in much the same way Evangelion was.
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hello! i am a mitten, a mighty SPACE TYRANT~, i focus my space tyranny on the v. important job of being 1. warm 2. fuzzy
today we destroyed bob
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Magnificent Bastard you say?
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/gargoyles/images/thumb/f/fe/Xanatos.jpg/275px-Xanatos.jpg)
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hello! i am a mitten, a mighty SPACE TYRANT~, i focus my space tyranny on the v. important job of being 1. warm 2. fuzzy
today we destroyed bob
Indeed. (http://www.tentonhammer.com/features/mittani)
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:wtf:
Is failing to use spoiler tags against forum rules? If it isn't, It really should be.
Everybody has unattainable and downright stupid objectives. Charles wants to kill god, nevermind he can't find god (if he could he'd be my personal hero) and is a douche. Lelouch rachets it up to being a dip****, and wants to end all violence by focusing all humanity's hatred on himself and then dying. This is of course also impossible. Even if he Geass'd everyone it'd only work for a generation.
We must have been watching different subs (unless you watched the dubs, in which case you can't really judge the series), because our interpretations of events are very different.
He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.
Lelouch succeeds: It's clearly stated in the epilogue. He didn't create a perfect world (as stated in the epilogue), but everything is a Hell of a lot better than it was. You went from a clearly dictatorial rule to a neo-U.N., that's effective at its job. It might not last, but it wasn't his goal to make everything perfect forever. His goal was to allow his sister to live in a peaceful. Which he did.
Basically, all magnificent bastards in the series disallow themselves from the title because they focus on goals that are, even for them, impossible. Part of magnificent bastardy is victory, even if temporary. I have a fondness for madmen and sinners (as anyone who's ever heard me extol the virtues of GoonSwarm's The_Mittani knows), in much the same way Patton was fond of Rommel, but nobody in the show manages to arouse much sympathy or admiration. Just to top it off, the mecha went all Lensman Arms Race on us way too quickly.
Really? It seems to me that you had three powerful (but not indestructible) suits at the end of the first season, and only a handful at the end of the second. The fact that actual strategy is used to defeat the specialties of the suits shows a great deal of insight into the problem with the whole 'uber-mech' idea.
So no. Code Geass is an endless flat black, an exhaustion of the mind, a revulsion of the spirit, in much the same way Evangelion was.
You're comparing Code Geass to Evangelion? .... Seriously? .... Really? .... I can't come up with a response to that, it's so far out there. .... .... ....
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We must have been watching different subs (unless you watched the dubs, in which case you can't really judge the series), because our interpretations of events are very different.
He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.
Subs nothing. I got it direct from Japanese fans explaining the series.
Also, that's not god, according to the Word of God.
The statement you cannot judge a series by its dub reveals a level of head-up-ass-ness that isn't very encouraging to boot. This isn't Carl Maeck's work, son.
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Actually, Code Geass's subs are quite accurate. I've heard its probably one of the best.
Mitten. Is he the one who ochestrated some major assasination on EVE Online? Of some major group? Getting his assasin to be second in command of that group? Cause if he is, then yes, he is one hell of a magnificent bastard.
It's not God that Charles found; its the collective conciousness of the human race, apparently.
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We must have been watching different subs (unless you watched the dubs, in which case you can't really judge the series), because our interpretations of events are very different.
He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.
Subs nothing. I got it direct from Japanese fans explaining the series.
Also, that's not god, according to the Word of God.
So... did you actually watch the series? If so, in which form? Who are these fans? Are they people with much experience in reviewing metaphysical interpretations of events and plot devices in anime?
I'd also like a link to the dev's comment about that.
The statement you cannot judge a series by its dub reveals a level of head-up-ass-ness that isn't very encouraging to boot. This isn't Carl Maeck's work, son.
The quality of dubs is, more often than not, outright terrible. Not only do you have to deal with censorship and cuts (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) (note: that site appears to be under maintenance, but there's an excellent collection of translation differences between the versions of Chrono Trigger there that you can find when it's working again), but also downright misinterpretations. Granted, there are bad subs out there. But I've yet to see one that's worse than a standard 4Kids (or equivalent) dub.
I've watched a few episodes of the aired dub (after viewing the sub), and there's obvious changes in dialogue and nomenclature that serve no purpose.
By the by, how does finding an original format superior make one exemplify "head-up-ass-ness"?
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It's not God that Charles found; its the collective conciousness of the human race, apparently.
Yeah.
He did find god, or whatever qualified in the series as god. You remember that giant retro thing in the sky? Guess what.
I think that that qualifies.
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I've noted before that although I thoroughly enjoyed Code Geass, I also understand the criticism very well. You take the good with the bad and get on with it. :D
If there aren't any merits to the work you can find, then why would you like it? I thought the series managed to consider several philisophical points in an interesting fashion. It also brought about a good deal of "shock factor," if you enjoy that sort of thing. Many elements in the story also reminded me of reading Dune, which though not always... great in subject matter... did manage to make some rather good insight as a whole.
I will most definately agree with NGTM-1R on this though: Subs and dubs pale in comparison to actually comprehending the work in its native language. I've seen a few of the more "confusing" (and unfortunately critical-for-plot) episodes in both the dub and subtitled versions (which often were poorly translated). While this enabled me to piece together more of what the objective of the episode was with a fair degree of clairity, that would certainly never have been an issue if I could understand Japanese.
"In general, translated books always leave something different."
-Thaeris
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Mitten. Is he the one who ochestrated some major assasination on EVE Online? Of some major group? Getting his assasin to be second in command of that group? Cause if he is, then yes, he is one hell of a magnificent bastard.
Haha, what the Mittani did makes the Guiding Hand Social Club (the assassins you refer to) look like a bunch of toddlers playing cops and robbers in a sandbox.
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So... did you actually watch the series? If so, in which form? Who are these fans? Are they people with much experience in reviewing metaphysical interpretations of events and plot devices in anime?
Yes. Subbed and dubbed. The ones who do entries for TVTropes, though I did actually speak to one via MSN. :P
Oh come on. Even by your own standards he didn't find god. :P Also, I can't read Japanese and neither can you, so admittedly I got it from secondary sources. :P
The quality of dubs is, more often than not, outright terrible. Not only do you have to deal with censorship and cuts (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) (note: that site appears to be under maintenance, but there's an excellent collection of translation differences between the versions of Chrono Trigger there that you can find when it's working again), but also downright misinterpretations. Granted, there are bad subs out there. But I've yet to see one that's worse than a standard 4Kids (or equivalent) dub.
And this wasn't dubbed by 4kids, therefore your points are invalid. Also, we're not talking about Chrono Trigger, so your points are still invalid. And generalization is also invalid when discussing a single instance.
I've watched a few episodes of the aired dub (after viewing the sub), and there's obvious changes in dialogue and nomenclature that serve no purpose.
Yes, but what does that have to do with damaging the story, if anything? Nothing, you say? That's what I thought. There's a lot of culture nuance that a good dubbing job translates or modifies which would otherwise be lost. Automatically assuming changes are mistakes is stupid.
By the by, how does finding an original format superior make one exemplify "head-up-ass-ness"?
See my comments about managing to prove nothing about the dub in question.
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Haha, what the Mittani did makes the Guiding Hand Social Club (the assassins you refer to) look like a bunch of toddlers playing cops and robbers in a sandbox.
Oh? Pray tell. I'm always interested to know how magnificent magnificent bastards can be without being Xanatos.
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talking one dissatisfied director of a rival superpower into flipping a switch that destroyed said rival superpower in an instant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM8HMy2uO-Y
watch the big blue and yellow blobs pay particular attention around the 0:55 mark.
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- Really, really good cell-shaded animation - Check
Meh..I hate that drawing style. The nose is featurless and blends with the face like it's not there, the chin is a spike and hte eyes are a continent apart.
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talking one dissatisfied director of a rival superpower into flipping a switch that destroyed said rival superpower in an instant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM8HMy2uO-Y
watch the big blue and yellow blobs pay particular attention around the 0:55 mark.
That.
He convinced a dissatisfied member of BoB to dissolve the entire alliance. Goonswarm then registered BoB as a member of itself.
The end for EVE's biggest superpower, and a multi-year war resolved by a single defector.
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The quality of dubs is, more often than not, outright terrible. Not only do you have to deal with censorship and cuts (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) (note: that site appears to be under maintenance, but there's an excellent collection of translation differences between the versions of Chrono Trigger there that you can find when it's working again), but also downright misinterpretations. Granted, there are bad subs out there. But I've yet to see one that's worse than a standard 4Kids (or equivalent) dub.
No, no, no, no. Seriously, people, this isn't 1995 anymore. Even an average-level dub by one of the studios left doing them (as sales continue to increase because of kiddies leeching fansubs, more and more series are seeing sub-only releases, which is nothing but bad from where I'm sitting) is light-years ahead of the average effort of last decade, and I could point to any number of instances where the English audio track easily matches, if not outright betters, the Japanese original. And while certain anime series may receive censorship and time cuts to air on TV, there are very few instances where they aren't presented in completely-uncut form on the DVD release. Sorry to jump on you like this, but it really cheeses me off when people continue to use unfounded anti-dub arguments that haven't been valid for at least several years.
(...and how did we get onto EvE here? :p)
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So... did you actually watch the series? If so, in which form? Who are these fans? Are they people with much experience in reviewing metaphysical interpretations of events and plot devices in anime?
Yes. Subbed and dubbed. The ones who do entries for TVTropes, though I did actually speak to one via MSN. :P
I was under the impression that anyone could edit those pages. And how did you go about confirming their citizenship?
Oh come on. Even by your own standards he didn't find god. :P Also, I can't read Japanese and neither can you, so admittedly I got it from secondary sources. :P
By my standards? No. By the standards of religion? Yes.
And you're correct in your assumption that I can't read any form of Japanese writing. Although I'm not sure where you got that from.
The quality of dubs is, more often than not, outright terrible. Not only do you have to deal with censorship and cuts (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) (note: that site appears to be under maintenance, but there's an excellent collection of translation differences between the versions of Chrono Trigger there that you can find when it's working again), but also downright misinterpretations. Granted, there are bad subs out there. But I've yet to see one that's worse than a standard 4Kids (or equivalent) dub.
And this wasn't dubbed by 4kids, therefore your points are invalid. Also, we're not talking about Chrono Trigger, so your points are still invalid. And generalization is also invalid when discussing a single instance.
My points are invalid because you say they are? Good to know. I was hoping for something more than 'I can't hear you! La-la-la,' though. :P
Notice that I stated "(or equivalent)," in my prior post. I wasn't stating that 4Kids dubbed Code Geass, I was using it as a benchmark for bad translations. And, whilst Chrono Trigger was a text-to-text translation, I was using it as an example of how badly a bad translation can be done.
Also, please elaborate on "And generalization is also invalid when discussing a single instance." It sounds like an interesting frame of thought.
I've watched a few episodes of the aired dub (after viewing the sub), and there's obvious changes in dialogue and nomenclature that serve no purpose.
Yes, but what does that have to do with damaging the story, if anything? Nothing, you say? That's what I thought. There's a lot of culture nuance that a good dubbing job translates or modifies which would otherwise be lost. Automatically assuming changes are mistakes is stupid.
First, let me congratulate you on literally putting words into my mouth. There are a few physicists and politicians who would like to have words with you. :P
Second, there are some things that won't fly past translations. Things such as sayings that have no direct meaning, or cultural references. However, the things that I'm speaking about have absolutely nothing to do with any sayings or references whatsoever. And changing something without reason sets a dangerous precedent. Notice how I said that I "watched a few episodes" of the aired dub, rather than the series as a whole. As such, I couldn't compare the major plot differences, if there were any.
By the by, how does finding an original format superior make one exemplify "head-up-ass-ness"?
See my comments about managing to prove nothing about the dub in question.
"Where's the beef?"
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One last thing.
Subs nothing. I got it direct from Japanese fans explaining the series.
Also, that's not god, according to the Word of God.
"I'd also like a link to the dev's comment about that."
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The quality of dubs is, more often than not, outright terrible. Not only do you have to deal with censorship and cuts (http://www.chronocompendium.com/) (note: that site appears to be under maintenance, but there's an excellent collection of translation differences between the versions of Chrono Trigger there that you can find when it's working again), but also downright misinterpretations. Granted, there are bad subs out there. But I've yet to see one that's worse than a standard 4Kids (or equivalent) dub.
No, no, no, no. Seriously, people, this isn't 1995 anymore. Even an average-level dub by one of the studios left doing them (as sales continue to increase because of kiddies leeching fansubs, more and more series are seeing sub-only releases, which is nothing but bad from where I'm sitting) is light-years ahead of the average effort of last decade, and I could point to any number of instances where the English audio track easily matches, if not outright betters, the Japanese original. And while certain anime series may receive censorship and time cuts to air on TV, there are very few instances where they aren't presented in completely-uncut form on the DVD release. Sorry to jump on you like this, but it really cheeses me off when people continue to use unfounded anti-dub arguments that haven't been valid for at least several years.
One word: Shinigami. :sigh:
(...and how did we get onto EvE here? :p)
I'm rather curious about that, myself. :lol:
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One word: Shinigami. :sigh:
You're referring to Bleach, I take it? Kubo Tite, the author of the original manga, specifically stated that "soul reaper" should be the official English translation of the term, since it carries the proper connotations for English speakers. So basically, all of the people who whined about the use of that phrase were essentially whining to the person who created what they were whining about in the first place. Isn't knowledge fun? :p
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I was under the impression that anyone could edit those pages. And how did you go about confirming their citizenship?
IP.
By my standards? No. By the standards of religion? Yes.
Charles has very specific reasons for wanting god dead, reasons that, in the event, are not fulfilled, as the series ascribes your "god or equivalent" no particular powers, only to be some kind of gestalt that has no actual influence on anything that's admitted.
So basically he just blew up the portable drive or something.
And you're correct in your assumption that I can't read any form of Japanese writing. Although I'm not sure where you got that from.
I'm pretty sure you admitted it at some point, but even then, you have to admit it's usually a safe bet. :P
My points are invalid because you say they are? Good to know. I was hoping for something more than 'I can't hear you! La-la-la,' though. :P
Notice that I stated "(or equivalent)," in my prior post. I wasn't stating that 4Kids dubbed Code Geass, I was using it as a benchmark for bad translations. And, whilst Chrono Trigger was a text-to-text translation, I was using it as an example of how badly a bad translation can be done.
But you still failed to prove anything, as I pointed out (validly), because we were discussing the dub of this particular series, not of Chrono Trigger or any 4kids show. Those have no revelance to what we're talking about, because we aren't talking about them. Granted even on the larger scale you're wrong, as Mongoose so artfully pointed out, though.
Also, please elaborate on "And generalization is also invalid when discussing a single instance." It sounds like an interesting frame of thought.
We're discussing one object.
You wish to generalize about it's category.
The generalization about the category however, being generalization, is useless to the discussion of the object, which may or may not have anything to do with it.
"Where's the beef?"
Fine, I'll be blunter. You dismissed it out of hand because you assume automatically that dubs are bad, like you're still living in the age of Mackres or something. It's 2009. The days of the intolerable dub, outside the offices of 4kids, are long since over. Wake up.
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This is going back in forth with no headway in either direction. :doubt:
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One word: Shinigami. :sigh:
You're referring to Bleach, I take it? Kubo Tite, the author of the original manga, specifically stated that "soul reaper" should be the official English translation of the term, since it carries the proper connotations for English speakers. So basically, all of the people who whined about the use of that phrase were essentially whining to the person who created what they were whining about in the first place. Isn't knowledge fun? :p
I've never watched Bleach, I was referring to Death Note.
Shinigami translates to Death God.
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Yes, it does literally, but "Death God" sounds profoundly stupid in everyday English. They could have theoretically gone with "Grim Reaper," but that conveys a different image itself. I'm assuming that the original manga's author didn't prescribe a particular translation, so the translators make the call to stick with "shinigami," which worked fine for me.
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Rule of Cool.
Besides, calling Ryuk a Death God doesn't work. He's not a Death God in the sense of any Death God a Western person would be familar with, like say Hades/Pluto. He doesn't have nearly enough power.
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And I don't think Hades ever had a crack fix for apples. :p
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EvE got on because some one brought up magnificent bastards.
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No ****...
http://shibuya246.com/2009/08/22/gundam-wedding/ (http://shibuya246.com/2009/08/22/gundam-wedding/)
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Lucky Star had a joke that no matter what happened, as long as they tagged on the word 'Gundam', the Gundam otakus would feel honor-bound to watch it, no matter how crap-filled it was.
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The power of extreeme fans...it's amazing isn't it?
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"Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today in the sight of God and Gundam..."
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"Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today in the sight of God and Gundam..."
Why do that when they have a God Gundam?
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I wonder why people do that?...go to such extreems in fanboyism I mean.
Me, I'm not a fanboy of anything and I downright refuse to be. I force myself to be extra critical of anything I like so I never end up like those people.
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I wonder why people do that?...go to such extreems in fanboyism I mean.
Me, I'm not a fanboy of anything and I downright refuse to be. I force myself to be extra critical of anything I like so I never end up like those people.
Because it's ridiculously awesome, much like having a full-scale iron Scopedog in your backyard. It's not being taken in deadly earnest; it's a form of performance art.
You sir are a liar and a cad and have at various times fanboy'd for battleship and carrier FS designs, conservative values, sexism, and conservative Christianity.
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Why do that when they have a God Gundam?
Cause it's FINGER BURNS WITH THE DESIRE TO DEFEAT YOU!
I'm sure everyone's fanboy'd at least a few times in their live, even if they don't know it.
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I'll openly admit I used to be a fanboy for Blizzard. Then they released WoW and I was like :(. Nothing like a fanboy without his object of fanboyism.
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Don't bad mouth my WoW. I'm not gonna sit here and say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, I'll leave that for the Starcraft tards.
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Don't bad mouth my WoW. I'm not gonna sit here and say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, I'll leave that for the Starcraft tards.
"Lore lol"
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Because it's ridiculously awesome, much like having a full-scale iron Scopedog in your backyard. It's not being taken in deadly earnest; it's a form of performance art.
A 20 meter model of a giant robot (or spaceship) is awesome (but impractical. I surely wouldn't need one in my yard), but owning costumes, having every collectable thing in the universe, cosplaying, changing your name, re-decorating the house? That's a whole new level of insane.
You sir are a liar and a cad and have at various times fanboy'd for battleship and carrier FS designs, conservative values, sexism, and conservative Christianity.
That Sir, is an insult! I merely like or appreciate a few things. To lift them to a level of blind fanboyism is an outright lie. Not to mention that some things are a 100% fabrication to begin with.
I demand we meet on the field of honor! *slap*
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It's they're lore, they can retcon it if they want to. Besides, most of the retcons have made the story more interesting.
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I must confess I gave Blizzard a mental thumbs-up when I realised they had incorporated Lovecraftian lore into their cartoony fantasy game.
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The Lovecraftian stuff was introduced in The Frozen Throne, which was a great piece of storytelling and set up a fascinating situation in a charged, divided, and deep universe.
Then WoW did nothing with all that potential. *sigh* So many great characters and story ideas turned into fodder for end-game raids. Kel'Thuzad? Illidan? Arthas, even? Jeez.
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Well how exactly do expect them to tell the stories of these characters to 11 million people? Hour long cutscenes?
Blizzard admits they screwed up the storytelling with Illidan, but with Arthas he's been front and center the WHOLE expansion. The first four levels of Wrath you could hardly turn a corner without tripping over the bastard. They are making a mistake though, I bought the companion book Rise of the Lich King and while it's hardly necessary to understand what's going on, it sets a very bad precedent for all but requiring the player to do anything else but play the game.
Gears of War did this from what I can tell, you have to read the prequel book and subsequent fiction to be able to understand anything at all about the plot or background. Which is kinda pathetic since the game itself is...uninspiring. The controls are sluggish, the camera unwieldy, and last but not least, the bosses are invulnerable except for the super satellite cannon which only works outside. So I never got past the first Berserker
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Well how exactly do expect them to tell the stories of these characters to 11 million people? Hour long cutscenes?
Blizzard admits they screwed up the storytelling with Illidan, but with Arthas he's been front and center the WHOLE expansion. The first four levels of Wrath you could hardly turn a corner without tripping over the bastard. They are making a mistake though, I bought the companion book Rise of the Lich King and while it's hardly necessary to understand what's going on, it sets a very bad precedent for all but requiring the player to do anything else but play the game.
With some talent.
Arthras has been massively derailed from his Warcraft 3 appearance. There's basically nothing left of the character now. I could link the entire TVTropes page on character derailment and retcons that make no sense, if you like.
Gears of War did this from what I can tell, you have to read the prequel book and subsequent fiction to be able to understand anything at all about the plot or background. Which is kinda pathetic since the game itself is...uninspiring. The controls are sluggish, the camera unwieldy, and last but not least, the bosses are invulnerable except for the super satellite cannon which only works outside. So I never got past the first Berserker
Actually, reading Aspho Fields is not recommended for anyone, particularly those who played Gears of War. Because it makes no sense at all.
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They are making a mistake though, I bought the companion book Rise of the Lich King and while it's hardly necessary to understand what's going on, it sets a very bad precedent for all but requiring the player to do anything else but play the game.
Dude, two words:
.hack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.hack)
You have to play the games, read the novels and watch the series and read the mangas to even begin understanding what's truly going on.
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Or just read the .hack// wiki, but reading/playing/watching the series is more fun.
What I've found with .hack// is that, while all the various media tie together to make a grand overarching plotline, each individual story is fairly self-contained. For example: the IMOQ games have a pretty self-contained story, although watching .hack//sign and reading .hack//Another Birth help, it's not strictly necessary (it doesn't work in reverse, incidentally: watch .hack//sign and don't play the IMOQ games and you will be left a very confused person by the ending).
tl;dr: with .hack//, it seems that the games contain the main, central stories, with the two canon anime series providing background/prequel to the games, and the novels and manga fleshing out the universe more fully, and filling in little details.
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Wait..did someone use WOW and "great story" in the same sentance? :lol:
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Actually I didn't.
It is really rather immersive if you want it to be though.
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Well how exactly do expect them to tell the stories of these characters to 11 million people? Hour long cutscenes?
Blizzard admits they screwed up the storytelling with Illidan, but with Arthas he's been front and center the WHOLE expansion. The first four levels of Wrath you could hardly turn a corner without tripping over the bastard. They are making a mistake though, I bought the companion book Rise of the Lich King and while it's hardly necessary to understand what's going on, it sets a very bad precedent for all but requiring the player to do anything else but play the game.
NGTM-1R's post nicely sums up my feelings. Supreme character derailment. (By the way, is Illidan canonically 'dead'? Do players kill him for real? How about Kel'Thuzad?)
Gears of War did this from what I can tell, you have to read the prequel book and subsequent fiction to be able to understand anything at all about the plot or background. Which is kinda pathetic since the game itself is...uninspiring. The controls are sluggish, the camera unwieldy, and last but not least, the bosses are invulnerable except for the super satellite cannon which only works outside. So I never got past the first Berserker
You are silly! The Berserker is the only boss like that (well, except for Seeders, but they don't really count), and that first Berserker was easy. You just have to run outside and roll out of the way if she charges at you.
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Neither Illidan nor Kel'Thuzad die until WoW (Kel'Thuzad oddly dies twice in WoW, but Illidan only appears the once, then again - Kel'Thuzad is immortal as long as his phylactery isn't destroyed, and you don't destroy it, you hand it over).
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Or just read the .hack// wiki, but reading/playing/watching the series is more fun.
Did you just say that watching .hack was fun?
I must've misread that, because I could've sworn you did . . .
.hack is just talking. Boring boring boring talking.
You know the first two episodes of Evangelion, where Shinji first goes into EVA-01. Well when the battle starts, it cuts. And shows him in a hospital. Later on, he remembers what happened and we see the whole battle.
In .hack, they do the same thing. Except they never show the battle. The big guy's about to bust someone up, they cut, and then the battles over. Where's the frakking action???
Why SOOOO many people watch these "shows" which are little more than talking drawings is beyond me. I can't stand all of these anime where the characters barely even move.
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All of that talking was what made me interested in .hack//SIGN in the first place. I had very little notion of what "anime" was at the time, and the idea that one could make a cartoon featuring little but characters standing around and talking was utterly mind-blowing for me. It's probably why the mostly-talking episode "Chat! Chat! Chat!" was among my favorites from GITS: Stand-Alone Complex.
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Or just read the .hack// wiki, but reading/playing/watching the series is more fun.
Did you just say that watching .hack was fun?
I must've misread that, because I could've sworn you did . . .
Indeed I did. Your eyesight's still good. :p
.hack is just talking. Boring boring boring talking.
You know the first two episodes of Evangelion, where Shinji first goes into EVA-01. Well when the battle starts, it cuts. And shows him in a hospital. Later on, he remembers what happened and we see the whole battle.
In .hack, they do the same thing. Except they never show the battle. The big guy's about to bust someone up, they cut, and then the battles over. Where's the frakking action???
Why SOOOO many people watch these "shows" which are little more than talking drawings is beyond me. I can't stand all of these anime where the characters barely even move.
Well, to each his own, I guess. I enjoyed .hack//SIGN, can't say I wasn't a little surprised to find that there were... oh, two action scenes in the entire series, but that didn't matter to me. I can't tell you how refreshing it was to see a series that paid such a level of attention to the development and personalities of its characters... while it was undeniably slow-moving, this attention to detail is what made me like the series. The point of .hack// isn't to wow you with explosive fight scenes: the point is the characters and their interactions... when you come down to it, the heart of any story.
Now, you want action, try playing the games. Plenty of action there.
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If you want obsessive character development, go watch Legend of the Galactic Heros.
Oh wait.
That still manages to be more action-y than .hack, despite being nicknamed Boring Germans In Space. :P
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So Singapore has a Gundam Fiest, and I've just realised I've watched every single Gundam series, except the first!. Somehow it made me sad and depressed.
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I've always found Amuro to be a bratty self-absorbed little kidm which coupled with Noah Bright, the most inept and incompetent commanding officer in the history of Gundam. At least with Kira you had the feeling that he was fighting because he had to, not because he wanted to. Setsuna had a strength of purpose that absolutely mowed down any opposition. Hell even Garod fought because there was no one else. Amuro was a whiny little brat with a slightly overpower robot.
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Iirc, Garrod Ran is considered one of the most skilled pilots simply because he's a natural and he handed multiple Newtypes their asses.
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Well, to each his own, I guess. I enjoyed .hack//SIGN, can't say I wasn't a little surprised to find that there were... oh, two action scenes in the entire series, but that didn't matter to me. I can't tell you how refreshing it was to see a series that paid such a level of attention to the development and personalities of its characters... while it was undeniably slow-moving, this attention to detail is what made me like the series. The point of .hack// isn't to wow you with explosive fight scenes: the point is the characters and their interactions... when you come down to it, the heart of any story.
Now, you want action, try playing the games. Plenty of action there.
Well it's not that i need action per say. I just want characters to move. Not sit on a cliff and flap their lips. I don't know, lately it seems I've seen a lot of anime that uses what we in the business call "held cells". Meaning, they just use one drawing. Or in the case of a lot of animes, one drawing plus lip sync.
And it's not just .hack. I mean, in Naruto . . the characters move really well. It's slick animation. But they thing is you have to wait for them to move at all. They throw a punch, pause, and then they have these long boring internal monologues about so and so's chakra.
Or One piece. Lots of full body pans and flapping gums and little else. Even Ghost in the Shell, which many people seem to enjoy for some reason, the characters just sit there most of the show. Except, they don't even have lip sync. They've all got these telepathic brain implants or whatever so they don't move AT ALL. And quite honestly it's boring as hell. Just talking heads.
A friend once lent some . . . weird show, habba habba renmae or something about a bunch of angels that lived in some orphanage or something. And there wasn't any action, wasn't any apparent antagonist, just a lot of walking and talking but I didn't mind it because the characters actually moved around and interacted with their enivronment instead of these one-drawing body pans like One Piece.
That's why I tend to stick to older shows, like the most recent one I watched was Nadia of Blue Water which I picked up on DVD. Not the best series I've ever seen but it's certainly got its moments and it has lot of actual animation to boot.
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You might like Kure-nai, then. Very little action, but it's full of beautifully expressive animation.
It's also just a really nice little series with adorable characters and tight writing. High production values are always appreciated, though.
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Well it's not that i need action per say. I just want characters to move. Not sit on a cliff and flap their lips. I don't know, lately it seems I've seen a lot of anime that uses what we in the business call "held cells". Meaning, they just use one drawing. Or in the case of a lot of animes, one drawing plus lip sync.
With all due respect, limited animation is one of the hallmarks of anime as a whole, going back to its earliest mainstream-product routes. (See things like the original Astro-Boy and Gigangor for particularly notable early examples.) Most anime series are created on budgets that Western animators would scoff at (and on very tight deadlines to boot), and as a result, especially in the case of series intended for mainstream broadcast, they're generally very focused on saving what budget they do have for particularly important moments and taking necessary shortcuts the rest of the time. You mentioned both Naruto and One Piece, two very long-running series (particularly the latter) based on ongoing manga properties; both have examples of gorgeous animation sequences during particular fights (particularly in the climax of the original Naruto series, right before the near-endless filler started), but much of the rest of the content has to be comparatively static by necessity. (One Piece has actually markedly improved in its animation as it progressed; I haven't seen enough of Naruto to know how it evolved.) Even a presumably higher-budgeted show like GITS: SAC had to utilize static scenes frequently, though I'd argue that the gorgeous CGI blending and incredible fight sequences more than made up for them. All of this, of course, also depends on the skill and whims of the series' directors.
In contrast, anime movies and OVAs (direct-to-video releases) tend to have a far higher per-minute budget than broadcast series, so their animation tends to be far more fluid and lacking in many of the shortcuts that their TV counterparts exhibit. There are also shorter television series targeted to more niche arguments that seem to get a larger per-episode budget than more lengthy properties; Haibane Renmei, a fantastic show for many reasons, seems to have been one of those.
In my mind, I'm willing to forgive a series its visual shortcuts provided its storytelling and characterization compensate for them; I watch most of the titles I do primarly because of those elements as opposed to the visual aesthetic. That doesn't mean that I won't call a series on looking like ass when it really shouldn't, though (see: hilarious budget shortcuts in the last few episodes of Evangelion).
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A friend once lent some . . . weird show, habba habba renmae or something about a bunch of angels that lived in some orphanage or something. And there wasn't any action, wasn't any apparent antagonist, just a lot of walking and talking...
I was about to rage...
...but I didn't mind it because the characters actually moved around and interacted with their enivronment instead of these one-drawing body pans like One Piece.
but then I saw this. :yes:
For a second there I thought your were going to badmouth Haibane Renmei.
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At first I thought that was going to be a cute boring anime, fortunatly I was wrong.
Unfortunatly it gave me nightmares (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYEaNFveANk) on the very first episode.
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I am joining this thread late and didn't really bothered to read it all through. I just started barfing uncontrollably when I saw .hack written somewhere in these last few posts.
Anyway, I came here to recommend Starship operators
It's the most realistic space combat you'll ever see in anime.
Seriously. Go watch it.
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Monster is now airing in English, every Monday. On Syfy Channel, for some reason, but whatever. First two episodes have aired, and it seems quite good. A bit slow-moving, but I think that's just because anyone who has read even the smallest plot synopsis or previews knows what happens in these first several episodes.
I've been wanting to see this one for a while, so this will be fun, I think.
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With all due respect, limited animation is one of the hallmarks of anime as a whole, going back to its earliest mainstream-product routes. (See things like the original Astro-Boy and Gigangor for particularly notable early examples.) Most anime series are created on budgets that Western animators would scoff at (and on very tight deadlines to boot), and as a result, especially in the case of series intended for mainstream broadcast, they're generally very focused on saving what budget they do have for particularly important moments and taking necessary shortcuts the rest of the time. see: hilarious budget shortcuts in the last few episodes of Evangelion).
I've watched Astroboy, I have the DVDs as a matter of fact (not the B&W ones). Compare Astroboy to say, Spiderman, Rocket Robin Hood or the Hanna Barbera cartoons and quite frankly the animation is slick. Astroboy and most older Japanese cartoons blow north american stuff out of the water (except the features). But now adays most anime I've seen on TV seems to be very little movement, while NA ones have upped their quality quite a bit.
There's nothing wrong with "cheats" and shortcuts, but when your whole show is one big damn shortcut I give up and turn the dumb thing off.
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Monster is now airing in English, every Monday. On Syfy Channel, for some reason, but whatever. First two episodes have aired, and it seems quite good. A bit slow-moving, but I think that's just because anyone who has read even the smallest plot synopsis or previews knows what happens in these first several episodes.
I've been wanting to see this one for a while, so this will be fun, I think.
Monster freaks me out.
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I've watched Astroboy, I have the DVDs as a matter of fact (not the B&W ones). Compare Astroboy to say, Spiderman, Rocket Robin Hood or the Hanna Barbera cartoons and quite frankly the animation is slick. Astroboy and most older Japanese cartoons blow north american stuff out of the water (except the features). But now adays most anime I've seen on TV seems to be very little movement, while NA ones have upped their quality quite a bit.
There's nothing wrong with "cheats" and shortcuts, but when your whole show is one big damn shortcut I give up and turn the dumb thing off.
I'm not sure which Astro-Boy series you're referring to (The one from this decade? The one from the 80s?), but the one I'm talking about is the original 1960s black-and-white series. And trust me, if you're complaining about too many animation shortcuts in today's series, be prepared for an eye-opener if you go back and watch that. It makes Scooby-Doo look fluid. :p
And when you're talking about comparative animation quality across different time periods, it's also important to specify just what you're comparing, and also to take into account the general industry conditions at the time it was made. Movies and OVAs (direct-to-video releases) almost always have a significantly higher per-minute animation budget than weekly television series, so the animation quality is correspondingly higher; this would explain why an OVA from the 80s is probably animated far more smoothly than your average shounen episode today. Also, the 1980s marked a sort of "anime boom" connected with Japan's economic success, particularly in the case of OVAs, so all sorts of projects were getting a significant amount of money thrown at them; this period lasted to some extent into the mid-90s. Compare that to today's market, in which a global recession coupled with declining home entertainment revenue (which is how anime actually makes its money) means that there are fewer series being made than just a few years ago, and less money in general to go around between them. It's completely reasonable that certain series will get the short end of the stick.
In the end, I'm probably not going to watch a show if it looks like complete ass, but I'm willing to forgive a decent amount of shortcuts if it has a compelling plot and good characters. (But no pass for you, Eva. :p)