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Title: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 15, 2009, 05:54:55 am
http://www.d-9.com/


Can't really remember if anyones atarted a topic yet. I'm all for this film. Effects budget aside.

Imagine ALien NAtion, but how it would be more likely to pan out.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on August 15, 2009, 06:04:15 am
I heard it was pretty 1337.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 15, 2009, 06:56:17 am
It's on my list.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: achtung on August 15, 2009, 08:29:06 am
Saw it, it's pretty good.

It's the first film that's actually kept me a bit on the edge of my seat in a long time.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Titan on August 15, 2009, 08:35:48 am
I've been waiting for that movie since school let out. Then it was rated R, so I can't see it.  :p
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 15, 2009, 10:10:14 am
Just lie :) say you have short syndrome or something. ;)
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Mefustae on August 15, 2009, 10:15:39 am
Saw it last night. Quite good, if I do say so.

Spoiler:
Specifically, I adore the exo-suit. It's everything powered armour should be, presented in a a believable fashion and displaying the capabilities true armoured exoskeletons designed for combat should have. When you get right down to it, it's a person wrapped in a main battle tank. It even presents an outward view of the HUD! Very, very cool moments.

Also, the lighting gun that exploded people was pure sex.

Generally, an extremely interesting look at the alien invasion trope. No destroyed cities, no biological infiltration, just good old fashioned people acting completely human in the most depressing way possible.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Locutus of Borg on August 15, 2009, 11:07:41 am
South Africa FTW
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: dragonsniper on August 15, 2009, 12:01:31 pm
For those that have seen it, how much language and gore is in it. I've heard that the blood and gore factor earned it the R rating and that there were several F bombs, but any clue on how many?

South Africa FTW
:yes:
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 15, 2009, 02:24:26 pm
F bombs? You ****ing mean ****ing saying ****? A word only has the meaning you give it.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Mongoose on August 15, 2009, 02:33:45 pm
Just give him the ****ing answer, then. :p
Title: Re: District frickin 9
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Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 15, 2009, 08:04:28 pm
I saw it. Cannot recommend it strongly enough.

First movie since Children of Men that genuinely had me tense. Comparisons between the two abound, I might add.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Zex Marquise on August 15, 2009, 09:23:38 pm
Children of Men was tight. The ending was sad, though. Definitely needing to see this District 9 for epicness. Peter Jackson=win, gunfights and robots=win, aliens=win, disillusioned view of the government=win. With so much win, how could it not be good?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: BloodEagle on August 15, 2009, 09:59:33 pm
Children of Men was tight. The ending was sad, though. Definitely needing to see this District 9 for epicness. Peter Jackson!=win, gunfights and robots=win, aliens=win, disillusioned view of the government=win. With so much win, how could it not be good?

Fixed for great justice. (By the way, he didn't write or direct it.)

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For those that have seen it, how much language and gore is in it. I've heard that the blood and gore factor earned it the R rating and that there were several F bombs, but any clue on how many?

134 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/parentalguide) "F bombs" are used in the movie, it seems.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: SpardaSon21 on August 15, 2009, 10:41:44 pm
134 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/parentalguide) "F bombs" are used in the movie, it seems.
That's ****ing awesome.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: BloodEagle on August 15, 2009, 11:02:48 pm
I disagree.  :doubt:
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Ace on August 15, 2009, 11:04:20 pm
I disagree.  :doubt:

Well frak you.... CYLON! *whiskey spittle flies out of mouth*
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Bobboau on August 16, 2009, 12:30:58 am
you know there was only one of those 'f bombs' that I noticed, and that was because it was it was so appropriate. I'm not sure if saying there is a lot of blood and gore would be a appropriate description, it would be better to say there is a lot of raw meat.

overall I'd say it was a very good movie, though some times the people acted a little too evil to be believable.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Locutus of Borg on August 16, 2009, 12:38:46 am
I liked the movie, even though some points disgusted me. (but not too much)

I thought I was going to hate the movie, but there's one scene
Spoiler:
When the protagonist escapes the medical facility
at which point I realized the movie was just beginning. I was sad to see it end.

I thought it was interesting for Joburg (of all places) to be where the ship stopped.

Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 16, 2009, 12:58:03 am
Loved the bit where the alien, of all people, went '****!'
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Bobboau on August 16, 2009, 03:02:13 am
and I haven't seen a bigger pussy of a mech pilot since Shinji, seriously, just get in the ****ing thing, what does it have to just kill all the bad guys for you and light up a big 'get in me' sign?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Ashrak on August 16, 2009, 04:13:00 pm
and I haven't seen a bigger pussy of a mech pilot since Shinji, seriously, just get in the ****ing thing, what does it have to just kill all the bad guys for you and light up a big 'get in me' sign?


thats what i thought, after that little display "yes please" :P


will there be a second movie though? i feel .... incomplete.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Flaser on August 16, 2009, 08:57:08 pm
It was directed by Neil Blomkamp. Do I recall correctly that they wanted him to do the Halo movie and he directed a really promising teaser called Yellow? If yes, then he lived up to all the expectations I was having about him.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 16, 2009, 11:23:07 pm
It was directed by Neil Blomkamp. Do I recall correctly that they wanted him to do the Halo movie and he directed a really promising teaser called Yellow? If yes, then he lived up to all the expectations I was having about him.

Yeah, the Halo movie was well along in development. When it was suddenly cancelled, Jackson and Blomkamp were devastated, so they sat down and decided to use what they had (kinda) to do a full-length version of his Alive in Joburg short.

Check out his films on YouTube.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Bobboau on August 17, 2009, 03:33:41 am
and I haven't seen a bigger pussy of a mech pilot since Shinji, seriously, just get in the ****ing thing, what does it have to just kill all the bad guys for you and light up a big 'get in me' sign?

what you mean district 10, you don't think it was set up rather heavyhandedly?
thats what i thought, after that little display "yes please" :P


will there be a second movie though? i feel .... incomplete.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: dragonsniper on August 17, 2009, 10:01:27 am
134 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136608/parentalguide) "F bombs" are used in the movie, it seems.
Isn't the main guy's accent real strong though, making it hard to understand what he is saying?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 17, 2009, 12:40:18 pm
Knowing plenty of south africans through my facilities contacts, I can honestly say the accent if anything emphasises the word to sound like fok at worst. Which still sounds awesome in that particular accent. ;)
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Demitri on August 17, 2009, 01:46:36 pm
I saw it. Cannot recommend it strongly enough.

First movie since Children of Men that genuinely had me tense. Comparisons between the two abound, I might add.

Not to derail this thread but Children of Men sucked in a way that i cant begin to describe! I have never wanted to see a film so much, then having seen it, been so let down and disappointed.  :(

Tho having read a bit about D9 at the start of the summer, and now seeing the trailer, am looking forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 17, 2009, 02:16:18 pm
I was sad for most of the movie because all I could think about was that everything in it has already happened IRL.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 17, 2009, 02:50:28 pm
District 9 was/is a real place you know.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 17, 2009, 03:35:05 pm
I was sad for most of the movie because all I could think about was that everything in it has already happened IRL.

The film was shot in a slum in Johannesburg where all the residents were about to be relocated. Quite veracious, no?

Not to derail this thread but Children of Men sucked in a way that i cant begin to describe! I have never wanted to see a film so much, then having seen it, been so let down and disappointed.  :(

You are mad. Children of Men was brilliant.

You'll probably still like District 9 though.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 17, 2009, 04:23:20 pm
So I'm going to District 9, anyone have directions? I've heard it's at the theatre, but that would make sense as Dekker would've had to fly 3500km to see it. Are there a bunch of District 9's?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 17, 2009, 04:26:14 pm
The original was called ddistrict 6  :p




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The film's title is a direct reference to District 6, the area where thousands of South Africans were relocated during the years of apartheid.


Where to stay Colecampbell, i found this for you..

asshat :lol:

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2009/8/14/102138/365/travel/Discovering+South+Africa%27s+Apartheid+History+Through+%27District+9%27
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on August 22, 2009, 07:57:44 am
Saw District 9, I'd give it a 7/10, but some parts really seemed to annoy me.

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Generally, an extremely interesting look at the alien invasion trope. No destroyed cities, no biological infiltration, just good old fashioned people acting completely human in the most depressing way possible.

Too true.

Spoiler:
- Why, the ****, would someone build a spaceship with a detachable command module, that if jettisoned, MAKES THE SHIP COMPLETELY ****ING USELESS!? WHY!?
- I didn't like Wikus's character a lot until the very last part of the movie, when he holds back the MNU contractors so Chris can get to the mothership, he was selfish and an asswipe in my opinion until the last quarter of the movie. "What, it takes 3 frakking years? **** YOU!" *Knocks alien cold* Oh wait, HE KNOWS HOW TO ****ING FLY THE THING! FFS, if he hates the arm so much, wouldn't he just be glad to have it off?
- HOW IS THE MOTHERSHIP FLOATING?
- Why doesn't Wikus blow the head off the ganglord when he has the chance? I know the other gangbangers had their pieces levelled at him, but they obviously weren't too concerned when Wikus blew the other dudes into a million pieces. (Then again, if they didn't knock the MNU wagon he was in, he'd still be in captivity)
- The obvious question, what the f were the aliens trying to achieve by coming to Earth? That wasn't addressed IIRC.
- One of my friends jokingly asked why the US didn't sneak the thing into Area 51 overnight. :P


I believe the value of the movie wasn't in that, but the whole principle of what Mefustae was saying though. :) Just some literal things and Wikus's behaviour in general tended to annoy me.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 22, 2009, 08:59:16 am
You answered at least one of your own questions.

Why would you have keys to your car? :P

Nothing. Accidental.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on August 22, 2009, 10:04:59 am
Yeah. :)

But still...

ITS A MOTHERFRAKKING SPACESHIP!!!!!




Aquitaine's Nav-O: "Uh, sir, the engines aren't starting."
Pertrarch: *Reaches into pocket* "Oh, ****! I left the keys in my car again!"


How's that for anti-climax? :P
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 22, 2009, 11:33:01 am
Saw District 9, I'd give it a 7/10, but some parts really seemed to annoy me.

- Why, the ****, would someone build a spaceship with a detachable command module, that if jettisoned, MAKES THE SHIP COMPLETELY ****ING USELESS!? WHY!?

It seems perfectly sensible to build a command module that serves as a detachable dropship...especially when it prevented the humans from taking control of the ship or figuring out how to control it.

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- I didn't like Wikus's character a lot until the very last part of the movie, when he holds back the MNU contractors so Chris can get to the mothership, he was selfish and an asswipe in my opinion until the last quarter of the movie. "What, it takes 3 frakking years? **** YOU!" *Knocks alien cold* Oh wait, HE KNOWS HOW TO ****ING FLY THE THING! FFS, if he hates the arm so much, wouldn't he just be glad to have it off?

He couldn't very well change if he started out the way he ends up, could he?

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- HOW IS THE MOTHERSHIP FLOATING?

The same way the weapons work: science fiction?

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- Why doesn't Wikus blow the head off the ganglord when he has the chance? I know the other gangbangers had their pieces levelled at him, but they obviously weren't too concerned when Wikus blew the other dudes into a million pieces. (Then again, if they didn't knock the MNU wagon he was in, he'd still be in captivity)

Unlike the gangsters he shot up a moment earlier, Wikus had time to look at the ganglord and think about killing him...and he probably couldn't do it.

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- The obvious question, what the f were the aliens trying to achieve by coming to Earth? That wasn't addressed IIRC.

Yes it was; they were sick, their leadership had died, they needed a safe harbor.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on August 22, 2009, 11:51:54 am
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It seems perfectly sensible to build a command module that serves as a detachable dropship...especially when it prevented the humans from taking control of the ship or figuring out how to control it.
Hmm, there's merit to that, but the ship was basically turned into a floating brick without the CM.
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He couldn't very well change if he started out the way he ends up, could he?
Of course, but the way I saw it, he didn't really change much until the last quarter of the movie, in which everything goes into overdrive.
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The same way the weapons work: science fiction?
Fair point. :)
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Unlike the gangsters he shot up a moment earlier, Wikus had time to look at the ganglord and think about killing him...and he probably couldn't do it.
Mmm, well... It's Wikus, so that's plausible. :P
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Yes it was; they were sick, their leadership had died, they needed a safe harbor.
Really? I thought their leaders had starved to death in that time? (I should've paid closer attention.)

I still maintain though, Wikus was a dickhead most of the way through.  :D
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: BloodEagle on August 22, 2009, 12:04:04 pm
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Spoiler:
test

Go figure, they do work.  :mad2:
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 22, 2009, 12:11:12 pm
If you're coming into a thread titled 'District frickin 9' and not expecting spoilers...

I mean, I guess, yes, it should be tagged, but this is obviously a reactions thread.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: colecampbell666 on August 22, 2009, 06:49:04 pm
Epic movie, cool, gory, fun. I liked how the aliens
Spoiler:
were working class and for the most part seemingly stupid
Big difference from the normal portrayal.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Mefustae on August 23, 2009, 08:52:43 am
The thing to think about is that District 9 was taking a severely anti-human approach to sci-fi. It drew a lot of attention to a stark divide between humans and prauns, to the point where it's almost insultingly misanthropic! :P

This is embodied in Wilkus himself and his metamorphosis to one of the prauns. At the opening of the film, when he's completely human, he's a complete and utter wanker. When he's infected, and slowly begins to change, he becomes more sympathetic. Ultimately, when he's past the tipping point and exhibiting more and more praun-like qualities, he becomes almost heroic. It can't be a coincidence that the less human he became, the more sympathetic and likeable he was.

Then there's the portrayal of two family units and the quality thereof. On one hand, you have the praun family of Christopher and his son, and on the other you had the boss-man of the MNU and his daughter. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to decide which was the better, more nurturing relationship.

I really, really love how they did it. It's not often a movie gets me really hoping for humanity to get a kick in the ass by big honking space-guns.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 11:31:33 am
Part of the genius of it though, is that except for the Ultimate Jim Crow Sign Drop in the beginning, the movie isn't terribly blunt about things. It doesn't put people in black hats, it leaves the black hats laying around and lets people decide to put them on for themselves. There is a sense of choice about it that saves the movie from the "preachy pile of crap that had nice action sequences" category.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 23, 2009, 11:59:50 am
Yeah. Arguably the prawns did need to be isolated and controlled (though probably not experimented on brutally.) Thought-provoking stuff.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Bobboau on August 23, 2009, 12:03:09 pm
I'm going to have to disagree, Wilkus never came off as heroic, he came off as selfish and douchey to the end. granted he was slightly less douchey while he was in the mech, but the fact that he was still a douche in a giant robot doesn't change the fact that he was a douche.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 23, 2009, 12:23:49 pm
He summed himself up by punching chris after retrieving the cylinder.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 12:51:24 pm
Yeah. Arguably the prawns did need to be isolated and controlled (though probably not experimented on brutally.) Thought-provoking stuff.

Chris pretty much proved that prawns weren't uniformly stupid and brutish like the humans wanted to think. They were rounded up and kept in internment camps where humans then restricted education, job opportunities, movement, and even reproduction while using drugs (cat food) to placate them. For two decades. If most of them weren't brutish and stupid after all that, it'd be very surprising.

All the clips in the beginning of the black South Africans talking about relocation of the prawns away from them was for the too-real irony of the hypothetical situation. The apartheid in South Africa only came down a few decades ago, and (in D9) blacks turned around and allowed the exact same oppression they suffered be perpetrated on another group.

Prawns are clearly capable of intelligence on-par with or exceeding human intelligence (how many planets have we sent hundreds of thousands of people to?), and are also clearly capable of all the good "human" emotions like love and justice. Prawns and humans turned out to be more similar than different, IMO.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 23, 2009, 01:13:58 pm
Inter-species prostitution rules in favour of that last sentence too lol.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 23, 2009, 01:41:37 pm
Yeah. Arguably the prawns did need to be isolated and controlled (though probably not experimented on brutally.) Thought-provoking stuff.

Chris pretty much proved that prawns weren't uniformly stupid and brutish like the humans wanted to think. They were rounded up and kept in internment camps where humans then restricted education, job opportunities, movement, and even reproduction while using drugs (cat food) to placate them. For two decades. If most of them weren't brutish and stupid after all that, it'd be very surprising.

All the clips in the beginning of the black South Africans talking about relocation of the prawns away from them was for the too-real irony of the hypothetical situation. The apartheid in South Africa only came down a few decades ago, and (in D9) blacks turned around and allowed the exact same oppression they suffered be perpetrated on another group.

Prawns are clearly capable of intelligence on-par with or exceeding human intelligence (how many planets have we sent hundreds of thousands of people to?), and are also clearly capable of all the good "human" emotions like love and justice. Prawns and humans turned out to be more similar than different, IMO.

I completely agree. But I can understand why some made the argument for isolation and control.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 02:01:45 pm
Ignorance and an unwillingness to see any other creature be more intelligent than humans?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 23, 2009, 02:04:48 pm
No, just a focus on the symptoms of a problem rather than the cause. When you have a group of apparently directionless, rowdy, destructive aliens, almost certainly carrying a virulent and infectious disease, then you probably want to keep them tied up.

I'm not arguing for it but I can see the case.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 02:25:37 pm
Ignorance and an unwillingness to see any other creature be more intelligent than humans?

Safety. Prawns are capable of inflicting terrible injury bare-handed. It's the classic problem with someone with superpowers. With a human, you can just get a bunch of guys to tackle and manhandle and handcuff the guy. With a prawn, that's not an option because it can kill you very easily with its bare hands. (And we saw them do so several times.) That's also the reason why such strenous efforts were started to disarm the prawns; not because we wanted their guns, though we did, but because their weapons are just way too much of a threat to innocent lives and property to leave laying about.

There are also issues of disease, parasitism, unknown physiology, and a host of other things. The camp was inevitable. How it went from there was not.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 02:44:48 pm
An initial camp, I can see an argument for, but for anything beyond that, there is no justification.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 03:37:15 pm
But then you just come back to the guys with superpowers problem.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 03:42:17 pm
The prawns had at least the intelligence capability of humans and as well as human emotional capabilities. Just because they are stronger on average doesn't really mean anything. Men are stronger on average than women and we don't lock them up, do we?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on August 23, 2009, 03:46:11 pm
Yeah, and humans are bastards (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumansAreBastards).

It's a movie.  And until aliens do actually land on Earth and we herd them into a small plot of land in South Africa, I would venture to say that's all it is.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 04:19:29 pm
The prawns had at least the intelligence capability of humans and as well as human emotional capabilities. Just because they are stronger on average doesn't really mean anything. Men are stronger on average than women and we don't lock them up, do we?

A man can't take a woman's head off with one blow. We saw a Prawn do that. We also saw one tear someone's arms off by grabbing a gun they were holding and kicking them. They flew off the camera. That's a good ten feet. I'm not kidding about the "superpowers" bit.

It's a sociological can of worms. How do you handle law enforcement with human officers and prawn criminals, or the other way around? (The answer is unfortunately for the first one that, to preserve their own life, a human officer should simply shoot to kill when confronted with a prawn criminal. The other, however, would actually be much easier since a human isn't going to beat up a prawn too well.)  What constitutes reasonable force against a prawn? How do you balance the prawn's right to life with the danger it poses to innocents and arresting officers?

Ultimately this is a case where seperation of society may, in fact, be necessary for the safety of all concerned. If you can build a seperate, prawn-policed society for the prawns, they'll be safer than in one policed by humans, because presumably prawns are better able to handle physical violence from other prawns then humans are.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 04:23:49 pm
Separate but equal?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on August 23, 2009, 04:52:26 pm
Yes, for lack of a better term.

This time for the safety of all involved, not because some white bastards are feeling superior.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 04:55:33 pm
Guh. No. Separate but equal is never in *everybody's* favor.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on August 23, 2009, 04:56:21 pm
I never said in everybody's favor.  I said for the safety of all involved.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: SpardaSon21 on August 23, 2009, 05:12:16 pm
I'm with Scotty.  The problems faced with policing the Prawns, simply with their weaponry and superhuman strength, are not something your average human can cope with.  If a Prawn wants to resist a human, there's nothing the human can do except shoot to kill.  The only way a human would be able to resist a Prawn armed with a Prawn weapon would be with power armor and some infeasible weapon that requires power armor to fire.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 05:19:45 pm
But prawns have *intelligence* and *emotion* potentially above what humans have. Why is there a need to police them at all? Give them some resources and help them fix their ship so they can GTFO.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: SpardaSon21 on August 23, 2009, 05:26:33 pm
They tried that.  They couldn't find the control module for the mothership.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on August 23, 2009, 05:27:18 pm
Intelligence + Emotion is one of the better ways to = crime.  They can want to commit the crime, and have the knowhow to do it well.

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Why is there a need to police them at all?

The same reason humans need policing?  Greater Intelligence/Capacity for Emotion != lack of crime.

Not answering the last part because I assume they would have tried if they could.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 05:43:14 pm
Uhh... Chris figured it out, so it was clearly possible to fix the ship and leave.

Besides that, intelligence and emotional capabilities mean that prawns understand how a society works. They have one of their own, after all.

Oppression and poverty leads to brutish stupid beings.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on August 23, 2009, 05:46:28 pm
Uhh... Chris figured it out, so it was clearly possible to fix the ship and leave.

Besides that, intelligence and emotional capabilities mean that prawns understand how a society works. They have one of their own, after all.

Oppression and poverty leads to brutish stupid beings.

How does any of that (except possibly that last point) relate to the "they don't need policing" argument you brought up earlier?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 05:51:01 pm
I meant policing in the sense of what happened in the movie. Internment camp policing. I didn't notice I was so unclear.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 06:20:57 pm
I meant policing in the sense of what happened in the movie. Internment camp policing. I didn't notice I was so unclear.

Which is, bluntly, a direct response to the danger such work poses to those who do it.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 23, 2009, 06:23:07 pm
Agreed, measured response. Taking the cultural history into account was quite reasonable under the "unique" circumstances.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 06:28:24 pm
Guh, but we've done the whole thing so. many. times. Japanese internment, South African apartheid, US vagrant laws, etc.

Our fears have *never* been justified.

I suppose the movie had the effect of causing people to sympathize with the folks who came up with that sort of nonsense for better or worse, I don't know. Didn't work for me. Too bad.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: gavilatius on August 23, 2009, 06:31:06 pm
if they made a game... i would shoot myself
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on August 23, 2009, 06:32:36 pm
I suppose the movie had the effect of causing people to sympathize with the folks who came up with that sort of nonsense for better or worse, I don't know. Didn't work for me. Too bad.

Sympathy is not present in my part, immersion,. atmosphere and enjoyment were though. Escapism definitely, harmless fun; of course :yes:

I'm genuinely amused and sorry you felt that way.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: iamzack on August 23, 2009, 06:34:32 pm
By sympathy, I meant understanding. I'm failing at expression today.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 23, 2009, 07:01:44 pm
I actually agree with iamzack. I think the movie exposed the futility of interning people, even when it appears justified. It never turns out well.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 08:35:18 pm
Guh, but we've done the whole thing so. many. times. Japanese internment, South African apartheid, US vagrant laws, etc.

Our fears have *never* been justified.

I suppose the movie had the effect of causing people to sympathize with the folks who came up with that sort of nonsense for better or worse, I don't know. Didn't work for me. Too bad.

Which is again a broken metaphor. I'm pointing out that the whole attitude the local security types take towards the prawns (with the exception of their leader, who's just a prick), is totally justified. The prawns really are that dangerous (excepting why the **** they had a SAM launcher unless it was to keep people out). They can kill a human nearly instantly with just bare hands, so the level of force the local security types are employing against them is, unfortunately, justified.

Integration of a group like the prawns isn't, in the strictest sense, possible. You'll end up with two sets of laws, not one, or maybe three sets of laws or four sets of laws. They will never be fully integrated. Whether he has feelings like you or me isn't really germane to the fact he can backhand me across the face and I'm not going to have a head anymore.

So yes, they could have done better about integration, but on the other hand the movie isn't just "apartheid/racism is bad" like you want to paint it; it presents a deeper, more complex issue than that, though it may not have intended to.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on August 23, 2009, 08:43:30 pm
I'm going to have to disagree, Wilkus never came off as heroic, he came off as selfish and douchey to the end. granted he was slightly less douchey while he was in the mech, but the fact that he was still a douche in a giant robot doesn't change the fact that he was a douche.
On different note, I agree.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 23, 2009, 10:43:46 pm
I think the SAM launcher was probably intended for the mothership. Either that or they had suspicions about the command module being on a dropship.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on August 23, 2009, 11:14:20 pm
I think the SAM launcher was probably intended for the mothership.

They were really optimistic about it, then, if they weren't point something more along the lines of surplus Russian antiship missiles at the thing. :P
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on August 24, 2009, 01:03:55 am
Yeah, maybe there were a whole lot.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 20, 2009, 03:18:42 am
Saw the movie finally. It was pretty good, though Star Trek is still the best movie I've seen this year (and yes I've seen UP).  :P


I think ultimately the movie failed in one big way, and that is I didn't feel sympathetic to the Prauns (yes with a U, not a W though I don't know why). It's hard to feel sympathy for them when they can kill someone bare handed. They're hardly vulnerable save for a lack of weaponry. Though sympathy is something that the director certainly tried to draw from the audience.

The movie was very visceral, but, it didn't have the deep emotional draw that Star Trek did.
The story was in many ways predictable as well, such as . . .

Spoiler:
Oh, the guy's been re-captured. I wonder what's going to happen. Oh, cue the nigerians. And yes . . . Here they come!!!!
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on September 20, 2009, 07:50:35 am
TBH, I didn't even feel sorry for Wikus most of the movie, and usually only when he was on the phone to his wife.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 20, 2009, 11:50:22 am
TBH, I didn't even feel sorry for Wikus most of the movie, and usually only when he was on the phone to his wife.

No I didn't feel sorry for him either, though I suppose maybe because he acted pretty naturally. He was selfish yes but most people in his situation would probably do the same. Whether we'd like to admit it or not.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 20, 2009, 03:05:57 pm
He was a dick, all i can hear is the "It's the sweetie man" line then "one metre by one metre box".
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on September 20, 2009, 03:06:48 pm
He was a real person.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 20, 2009, 03:07:42 pm
Bah i'm not with it today.

Scuse me  ;)
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: MR_T3D on September 20, 2009, 04:07:07 pm
finally clicked theis topic after finally seeing the movie,   (did not want to spoil it) and my impression is great
--EXCEPT--
Spoiler:
it's made for a sequel that i'm going to call will be a 'cast-away'-type story with the backdrop of the aliens' return...in force?
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Mika on September 20, 2009, 04:36:29 pm
I found the movie worth watching, but not A grade. I didn't like the inconclusiveness of the ending and the fast cutting in the beginning. It seems that I also missed that the command module was not located. The guy playing the main character and the script writers deserve a mention of creating believeable character. The movie draws parallels to real life history and even towards present day in interesting ways. The action scenes were somewhat generic, except some brief cases showing the alien weapon effects. Though it deserves a mention of the most memorable kill of the year, this time with a pig travelling at ludricous speed.

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A man can't take a woman's head off with one blow. We saw a Prawn do that. We also saw one tear someone's arms off by grabbing a gun they were holding and kicking them. They flew off the camera. That's a good ten feet. I'm not kidding about the "superpowers" bit.

It is possible to kill human with a single blow to head. Yes, the head would not separate. Back to movie, the other thing I usually find strange is that the aliens kick humans in a way that the kick energy is transferred to movement of the target human, rather than kick going through the target.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 20, 2009, 05:18:35 pm
It is possible to kill human with a single blow to head.

Yes, which is why it happens so often.

Oh wait...
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: esarai on September 20, 2009, 05:59:29 pm
I can't be arsed to read all the posts, so I'm just gonna go ahead and say it:  District 9 is completely awesome and not for the squeamish. 

I loved how it crossed documentary style with a sci-fi horror action film.  And the production design was fantastic.  Everything looked so good, and the suspension of disbelief was minimal.  There are aliens, so you're already predisposed to suspend belief for them, but the rest of the scenario is incredibly plausible, and so horrifyingly realistic.

Spoiler:
And the whole movie pretty much took convention and turned it on its head.  The documentary-like style crossed with sci-fi action horror is something I've never seen before.  The standard tropes of "Aliens are the Big Bad" or "Aliens are the hippie flower children" were told to **** off.  Instead, the Aliens were just like us, and were the good guys.  And the weapons.  Oh god, those weapons were fantastic.  Bugger all to your standard Sci-Fi laser gun that leaves no battle damage, those things were balls-to-the-wall insane.  My favorites have got to be the lightning guns (seeing people explode was surprisingly satisfying), the "Force Thrower" (the one that saves Wikus from the War Lord that pushes people through walls), and that one gun that picks stuff up and shoots it with massive force at its enemies (most notably used to launch a pig and push a guy through some corrugated tin shacks). 

And then there's the fact that the heroes aren't perfect.  Hell, Wikus's own anger ****s things up when he leaves Christopher to the hands of that evil-ass colonel as Wikus takes off in the command ship.  He also wasn't your generic good guy from the beginning.  He slowly evolved into the roll, and even then he wasn't perfect. 

The Acting.  Damn it was fantastic.  Especially on the part of the Colonel.  He was so evil, I found myself rooting for the Gorramn bullets flying towards him.  Literally, I was thinking "GET HIM! GET HIM IN THE HEAD! NOOOOOOO!!!! USE THE MOTHA****IN' LIGHTNING GUN!"  And then he died getting torn to pieces by the prawns.  Most satisfying death by monster ever.

District 9 just one-upped every Sci-Fi movie I've seen. I don't think the Science Fiction genre will ever be the same. 
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Mika on September 21, 2009, 11:50:26 am
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Yes, which is why it happens so often.

Oh wait...

Such accidents have happened. Not necessarily often, but those have occured. A couple of those did happen during a span of last three years here. One with a guy being punched and one with a boy losing balance during slippery time.

Besides, have you ever considered why you never see certain punches to certain places in boxing? And I mean punches that should belong both to the generally accepted punches and generally accepted impact areas? The skull does not protect the brain from all directions. That's all I'm gonna say about this topic and I'll leave the rest for people's own anatomic research.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on September 21, 2009, 08:00:59 pm
Death by punching/blow to the head != head being punched clean off.  The latter is clearly more awesome in a  movie.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on September 22, 2009, 04:32:57 am
TBH, I didn't even feel sorry for Wikus most of the movie, and usually only when he was on the phone to his wife.

No I didn't feel sorry for him either, though I suppose maybe because he acted pretty naturally. He was selfish yes but most people in his situation would probably do the same. Whether we'd like to admit it or not.
Mmmm, I dunno. I'd be a little irrational sure, but growing up in WA Gang Central teaches you a lot about loyalty in the face of fear.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on September 22, 2009, 07:43:16 pm
So you'd turn yourself in to MNU, go along with their weapon tests, and quietly let yourself be vivisected?  :p
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: gavilatius on September 22, 2009, 07:48:30 pm
So you'd turn yourself in to MNU, go along with their weapon tests, and quietly let yourself be castrated?  :p

... its practically the same thing.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on September 23, 2009, 06:29:16 am
So you'd turn yourself in to MNU, go along with their weapon tests, and quietly let yourself be vivisected?  :p
No?
I wouldn't smash the alien who held the key to my survival as a human across the back of the head for one...
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on September 23, 2009, 12:57:12 pm
So you'd turn yourself in to MNU, go along with their weapon tests, and quietly let yourself be vivisected?  :p
No?
I wouldn't smash the alien who held the key to my survival as a human across the back of the head for one...

Maybe. I think it's hard to say how any of us would act in that situation. Kind of a Stanford Prison Experiment/Milgram thing...
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on September 24, 2009, 04:41:58 am
Mmm, well drawing on my own experiences (Hurt or Be Hurt... Just involving knives and several other objects gangbangers walk around with these days), staying loyal is of the utmost importance to me, and not just out of gang respect. And it really tests your character when you're forced to fall back on that behavior time and time again. And logically, it's either let the alien take his time or have the mercs rip me to shreds. It's the lesser of the two evils. Though, I think I'd enjoy having a look at how the aliens do things. :P
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on September 24, 2009, 12:14:18 pm
The thing is, though, it's 'loyalty' to a person who you're not sure is a person, who you've looked down upon for years, and who you just ran to out of necessity.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Turambar on September 24, 2009, 01:53:30 pm
Loyalty is overrated, people are almost never good enough to deserve it.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Scotty on September 24, 2009, 07:09:14 pm
Sometimes they don't have to deserve it...
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on September 25, 2009, 04:06:44 am
The thing is, though, it's 'loyalty' to a person who you're not sure is a person, who you've looked down upon for years, and who you just ran to out of necessity.
Mmmm, well he can hold a gun, and he's used it to fight for the same thing I am.. Roughly. Desperate times call for desperate measures, I'm a people person, and in that kind of situation where I'd be on my own for a fair bit, I'm sure I would've done a lot to keep the closest thing/person I've got to a companion.

Sometimes they don't have to deserve it...
Exactly, if they fight for the same thing as you, and they're willing to help you, that's all I need. I mean, 10 years is better than losing everything.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: General Battuta on September 25, 2009, 08:08:56 am
The point is that there's ample evidence that we, as humans, actually can't predict how we'll act in these situations until we're in them.
Title: Re: District frickin 9
Post by: Dilmah G on September 25, 2009, 09:33:00 pm
Mmm, well I think some proper training could've averted a fair bit of Wikus's "dickishness".