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Title: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Flipside on September 15, 2009, 03:07:55 pm
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/sep/12/marines-take-risks-deadly-game/

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Raleigh, N.C. — Lance Cpl. Patrick Malone was relaxing on his bunk at an Iraqi combat base when a direct superior interrupted his late-night movie.

It was time for a game Marines sometimes play to build confidence in colleagues: Point a gun at a comrade and ask, “Do you trust me?”

Cpl. Mathew Nelson raised his weapon — and the 9 mm pistol went off, striking Malone in the head. The higher-ranking Marine rushed to the wounded man’s side and tried to perform CPR, but Malone was mortally wounded.

Of all the stupid, irresponsible..... Words pretty much fail me as to how completely idiotic and brainless this is.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: General Battuta on September 15, 2009, 03:09:57 pm
It is.

Yes, yes, I'm sure we'll hear the usual flood of 'you have to trust your comrade with your life' and 'this practice might save more lives than it costs', but, c'mon, it's basic firearms safety.

Don't point your weapon at anything that you are not prepared to kill.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: iamzack on September 15, 2009, 03:13:04 pm
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I can’t believe the Marines, these professional soldiers, are playing these games.

I certainly can. This sounds exactly like something either/both of my parents would do.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Flipside on September 15, 2009, 03:15:39 pm
Thing is, if your fellow soldiers are pointing their guns at you in any situation, then they've failed to grasp an extremely simple premise of being in the Army.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: iamzack on September 15, 2009, 03:20:10 pm
Marines are in the Navy.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Flipside on September 15, 2009, 03:21:59 pm
I was wondering what form of pedantry would be the response, I was actually expecting someone to mention training or firing squads, so kudos, at least, for being original.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 15, 2009, 03:32:26 pm
Evidently the guy on the bunk should've said "hell no I don't trust you. Get away from me"
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: IronBeer on September 15, 2009, 03:34:01 pm
/Facepalm. Not saying anything original, just reinforcing.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: iamzack on September 15, 2009, 03:35:50 pm
I was wondering what form of pedantry would be the response, I was actually expecting someone to mention training or firing squads, so kudos, at least, for being original.

Do you mean in defense? Marines typically aren't all that bright, and are very focused on bravado and manliness, in my experience, so this sort of thing never surprises me. I would be surprised if it was Army or Air Force, though.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 15, 2009, 04:04:36 pm
Do you mean in defense? Marines typically aren't all that bright, and are very focused on bravado and manliness, in my experience, so this sort of thing never surprises me. I would be surprised if it was Army or Air Force, though.

You deal with a very different Marine Corps than I do.

I would be pretty surprised if anyone offically sanctions this kind of craziness.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: iamzack on September 15, 2009, 04:13:18 pm
Officially, of course not. But folks in the military do lots of really stupid not officially sanctioned things while on duty. There are retards in every business, it's just that most of them don't get weapons.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Mika on September 15, 2009, 05:23:53 pm
Words fail me

Given that I have been about to get blown up by a soldier kicking unexploded mortar shell, yes, I do believe that story. Or that a wooden bullet almost hit my ass because some guy cleaning his "already removed the clip" weapon hadn't checked if it was also loaded. Both of these cases were unintentional and didn't have any bravado in them, only lots of combat fatigue.

I have heard similar accounts of US Marine forces as iamzack describes. And I have never been in US.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Akalabeth Angel on September 15, 2009, 08:24:17 pm
Words fail me

Given that I have been about to get blown up by a soldier kicking unexploded mortar shell, yes, I do believe that story. Or that a wooden bullet almost hit my ass because some guy cleaning his "already removed the clip" weapon hadn't checked if it was also loaded. Both of these cases were unintentional and didn't have any bravado in them, only lots of combat fatigue.

I have heard similar accounts of US Marine forces as iamzack describes. And I have never been in US.

One time I looked at the US Casualty list in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was amazing how many deaths were non-combat related.

Motor-Vehicle Accident
Tire Exploding
etcetera
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: iamzack on September 15, 2009, 08:27:21 pm
When my dad was in Iraq he and his buddies flipped a humvee. For the luls.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: BloodEagle on September 15, 2009, 08:32:18 pm
When my dad was in Iraq he and his buddies flipped a humvee. For the luls.

Pictures or it didn't happen.  :p
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: redsniper on September 15, 2009, 08:46:42 pm
Don't point your weapon at anything that you are not prepared to kill.
I mean seriously...
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Flipside on September 15, 2009, 08:48:56 pm
I was wondering what form of pedantry would be the response, I was actually expecting someone to mention training or firing squads, so kudos, at least, for being original.

Do you mean in defense? Marines typically aren't all that bright, and are very focused on bravado and manliness, in my experience, so this sort of thing never surprises me. I would be surprised if it was Army or Air Force, though.

What I actually meant was that this is Hard-Light, and we love to nitpick ;)
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: StarSlayer on September 15, 2009, 08:50:39 pm
This case is FUMTU

But iamzack is correct in that bored Jarheads equals trouble brewing.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Dilmah G on September 16, 2009, 03:50:19 am
And THIS, is why you become an officer. So you're not sitting next to someone who may well have nearly failed the general aptitude test for entry.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Bobboau on September 16, 2009, 06:51:09 am
I will let the marines determine how the marines handel themselves.

but it does sound like the guy should have answered 'no'
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Mefustae on September 16, 2009, 08:22:02 am
Weapons + Bordom = Hilarity.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Dilmah G on September 16, 2009, 09:05:10 am
I'm not sure about everyone else, but I don't particularly find the death of a Marine "hilarious."
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Turambar on September 16, 2009, 11:20:39 am
It would be one thing if the asshole going "do you trust me?" shot himself, but he essentially murdered an innocent bystander.

Much less funny. :\

(iamzack)
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 16, 2009, 12:24:04 pm
He's going to catch a different sort of hell, possibly involving Leavenworth.

At the very least, they can't keep him, nobody's ever going to work with the guy again, so a dishonorable discharge.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Spoon on September 18, 2009, 09:03:34 am
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Cpl. Mathew Nelson raised his weapon — and the 9 mm pistol went off, striking Malone in the head. The higher-ranking Marine rushed to the wounded man’s side and tried to perform CPR, but Malone was mortally wounded.
Red vs blue anyone? CPR on a man with a bullet wound in the head?  :lol:
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Ghostavo on September 18, 2009, 09:59:20 am
I don't see anything wrong with it. If the victim stopped breathing and/or didn't have a pulse, I'm pretty sure you are correct in trying to give CPR, regardless of the location of the wound.

The goal of CPR is to increase the victim's chances of survival by doing the circulatory and/or respiratory system's job for them while waiting for medical help.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: castor on September 18, 2009, 11:18:59 am
And there's hardly anything better to try at that point, except for just to stand&watch..
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: jr2 on September 18, 2009, 11:53:04 am
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/sep/12/marines-take-risks-deadly-game/

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Raleigh, N.C. — Lance Cpl. Patrick Malone was relaxing on his bunk at an Iraqi combat base when a direct superior interrupted his late-night movie.

It was time for a game Marines sometimes play to build confidence in colleagues: Point a gun at a comrade and ask, “Do you trust me?”

Cpl. Mathew Nelson raised his weapon — and the 9 mm pistol went off, striking Malone in the head. The higher-ranking Marine rushed to the wounded man’s side and tried to perform CPR, but Malone was mortally wounded.

Of all the stupid, irresponsible..... Words pretty much fail me as to how completely idiotic and brainless this is.

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Now, recruits, what is your first weapons safety rule?

TREAAAT EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT WERE LOADED!!!

I don't think so, let's try again and see if we can get some volume!  RECRUITS, what is your first weapons safety rule?

TREAAAT EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT WERE LOADED!!!

Outstanding!  And now for our second safety rule, let's hear it, recruits!

NEVER POINT A WEAPON AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT INTEND TO SHOOT!!

I don't think so, recruits, are we having a volume problem today?  'Cause I know your Drill Instructors are just waiting to play some games... let's try again.  What is the second safety rule?

etc, etc

3rd safety rule: Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire
4th safety rule: Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

And on and on, for a week straight.  Get caught doing anything that remotely looks unsafe, and you will be off the range as a safety violator, play some fun DI games, possibly get dropped a week or two in training (have to do it over).

Some people just don't learn I guess... there's no excuse, Marines are all trained to know better than that.

Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: Dilmah G on September 18, 2009, 12:26:29 pm
Mmmm, then again... Marines are renowned for their "Playing with Fire" antics, as well as being fierce soldiers.
Title: Re: Marines doing the Insurgents work for them...
Post by: jr2 on September 22, 2009, 08:38:20 am
True, that.