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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Spoon on September 16, 2009, 08:51:58 am
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Of course we all agree that the offical :v: canon is FS1 --> ST --> F2
But the community has created so much campaigns, stories and ships set in the freespace universe that i've started to 'accept certain things into canon' (or fanon if you will).
For example, I pretty much accepted the GTD Titan&Raynor as the next generation GTVA destroyers. I'll probably also start considering the Terran-Vasudan mod as a 'canon' addition to the freespace story line (minus the lack of sensors, since thats just kinda silly) etc.
Edit: Apparantly from the reactions im getting on the chat I should feel bad for creating this thread. As a disclaimer, my aim was merely to have a bit of friendly discussion on what you personally feel would be a worthy addition to the canon story.
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Well, the way I see it, each mod branches off into it's own storyline, and I for one wouldn't take fanwankery as cannon anytime soon, unless it was real damn good fanwankery.
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If it comes from :V:, it's canon. If it doesn't, it's not. Full stop.
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The only thing worthy of being canon is the Second Great War Part 2
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Canon is not subjective (or at least tries not to be).
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Maybe we can rephrase the question:
If you were going to make your own campaign, what fanon elements would you include?
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Maybe we can rephrase the question:
If you were going to make your own campaign, what fanon elements would you include?
I guess thats a good rephrase, since Castor, Akalabeth, E and G all apparantly didn't really get it :p
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Maybe we can rephrase the question:
If you were going to make your own campaign, what fanon elements would you include?
I guess thats a good rephrase, since Castor, Akalabeth, E and G all apparantly didn't really get it :p
Oh I got it I was just being a sarcastic twit.
If you want to go along with that question, I guess my answer is already Derelict given my own campaign had some alluded to that story. But in reality the only reasons those were in there was because I wanted to use the Saphah and give nod to the creators thereof. But I'm intending to drop that whole connection now so at the moment my answer would be "none".
And likely it will remain none. I usually like to do my own thing so basing my campaign on someone else's stuff seems unlikely.
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ST:R likely, since it's close to what :v: did and real cool. Derelict maybe, only if it would fit my mod's storyline.
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Lessee.
I'm pretty sure I've posted most of it at one point or another...
Build your own GTVA warship. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=54518.msg1109533#msg1109533)
Shivan strategy and tactics. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=50766.msg1026214#msg1026214)
Tactics in the Subspace Age. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=64359.0)
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I have my own (largely unpublicized) "canon" where I set all my campaign idea's and whatnot around, based primarily on the TI storyline and shoehorning together a few other ideas I've had over the years. I don't think I've ever come across any other campaigns I've felt the urge to integrate with.
I should write it all down at some point, even if nobody else is ever likely to read it.
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Probably the FSPort campaign changes, Blaise Russel's campaigns, etc.
If Mad Bomber's fanon didn't clash with STR, probably that too. :(
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Fsport
TVWP
and ST:R
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Derelict would have been a fine expansion pack to FS2, it's on par with any of the original campaigns, Sync (if not for the Knossos in the Nebula plothole), Homesick and Transcend also. Despite that, I wouldn't say they would be worth of being FS3, they're not large enough in scope and use almost exclusively ships from the first two games. The only ones, to my knowledge at least, that even approach that level of ambition are Blue Planet and Inferno, and while they're decent campaigns, I don't see them as being on the same level as the ones I mentioned before.
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Well, the way I see it, each mod branches off into it's own storyline, and I for one wouldn't take fanwankery as cannon anytime soon, unless it was real damn good fanwankery.
I would consider some campaigns marginally better than :V:
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Rocks fall everyone dies; there is no story that ending would not improve.
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Rocks fall everyone dies; there is no story that ending would not improve.
Nah, that's still better than "Give up all technology, live in a cave, and god did it."
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Canon:
- :v:
Fanon:
- Everything else
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While most fan-made mods branch out into their own individual plotlines, there are eras where FS canon has touched on very vaguely; I would consider them canon if only to fill the missing story. :nervous:
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My canon; I have so many alternate canon universes, it makes my head spin.
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Well, the way I see it, each mod branches off into it's own storyline, and I for one wouldn't take fanwankery as cannon anytime soon, unless it was real damn good fanwankery.
I would consider some campaigns marginally better than :V:
Yeah, but it still doesn't make it canon. From a completely unbiased perspective BP: AoA wasn't bad at all, but there's usually a few key factors in most fanmods make it easy to differentiate. Though Derelict does portray what :v:'s GTVA would've done quite well I'd admit.
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Canon:
- :v:
Fanon:
- Everything else
Yes, why thank you captain obvious. We already agreed on that. But thanks for pointing that out Again.
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/me chuckles at this idea, then walks away slowly.
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Seriously, this thread deserves much better than it's getting right now. Yes, people, we're all perfectly aware that :v:'s campaigns represent the one true FreeSpace canon, and no one's debating that, but that's not what this thread is about. If all you're going to do is come in here and repeat, "Only :v: is canon," maybe you'd be better off posting elsewhere.
That aside, I've found myself doing pretty much the same thing with the FS storyline, primarly for the campaigns that I count among my favorites. I really love the whole backstory that TVWP has come up with for a period of the FS storyline that really isn't covered much at all in canon material, and I'd gladly take it as my "official" interpretation. ST:R is pretty much the only campaign with which I'd be completely fine overwriting :v:'s own material; the way I see it myself, it is Silent Threat, and that other old campaign is best forgotten. There are a few other campaigns that I keep in some sort of loose "they really happened" category, though I don't think that many of them mesh all that well timeline-wise with each other. I don't think that Cardinal Spear, Shrouding the Light, and Destiny of Peace play very nice with each other, but I love their portrayal of the Reconstruction period; likewise, Derelict, Warzone, and the Procyon Insurgency all present great options for events occurring relatively soon after Capella. I know that none of these campaigns can ever be "official," but I feel like their collective atmosphere is close enough to what :v: gave us that I'm able to count them as members of my own nebulous concept of the FS universe.
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Well, on a personal note and on top of everything :v: makes, I tend to see The Procyon Insurgency, Warzone, Derelict and Blue Planet as being pretty close to what post-Capella canon might be.
If Blue Planet didn't exist, Inferno would replace it. :nervous:
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The Phoenix Holonet's "How to Speak Vasudan" is now my definitive source for any Vasudanised phonetics :)
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I don't want to encorporate any other campaigns into continuity with mine, only general ideas about expanding the background.
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The Phoenix Holonet's "How to Speak Vasudan" is now my definitive source for any Vasudanised phonetics :)
Yeah. A lot of the ST:R and Phoenix stuff is amazing, it's like a little window into the FreeSpace universe.